Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Quote from: olaftab on January 28, 2020, 03:22:40 PMThis is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970. the first leg of which we drew 1-1 away.
This is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970.
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on January 28, 2020, 02:34:11 PMYour assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.Your perception is wrong then.Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Quote from: Drummond on January 28, 2020, 04:41:06 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on January 28, 2020, 02:34:11 PMYour assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.Your perception is wrong then.Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.
Leicester are looking to finish in the top 6 for the second time in 50 years. It's hardly "continuing to compete with the best in the country". Bigger than us Leicester are in their first semi final since playing us in 2000. We're in our 7th since then.
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on January 28, 2020, 04:58:55 PMQuote from: Drummond on January 28, 2020, 04:41:06 PMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on January 28, 2020, 02:34:11 PMYour assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.Your perception is wrong then.Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.That's all you could pick out of my post? I guess it proves you're wrong. Leicester's average attendance is about 32k now. Our average was about that when we were in the Championship. Our average attendance has NEVER been lower than theirs.
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