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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
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(1-1 agg) - LC SF 2nd Leg
Villa Park, Jan 28th, 7.45pm KO
All to play for. Solid first leg result gives us a legitimate chance to get to the final. New striker hopefully making his debut will make things even more interesting. We have nothing to lose and I hope we go out there with a positive, take the game to them attitude. Should be a brilliant atmosphere inside a packed Villa Park.
I’ll go for 2-1 on the night to us. 3-2 on aggregate and a trip to the final to look forward to.
Ally and Jack with our goals.
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0-2.
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2-2 we win on pens.
And there's no extra time as far as I know, straight to pens.
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I thought the same. No away goals rule, either.
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Sneak it 2-1 in extra time. Just got a feeling we will do it. Vardy a doubt for them, new bloke for us....
I have no illusions that we will struggle in the final if we get there but I am hopeful - especially as I had a fiver on us winning it at the start of the season!
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Poll amended.
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Only the final has extra time.
And fixed the title as well.
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Vardy a doubt for them
If this was a Villa player this would equate to another 4 weeks out.
In this case it means he will definately play and score atleast 2.
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Speaking of which, Davis should be back on the bench.
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Speaking of which, Davis should be back on the bench.
I read that as "Davis should be back on the beach" which is probably more likely
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2-2 we win on pens.
And there's no extra time as far as I know, straight to pens.
Interesting. I did wonder about that. I can definitely see it going to Pens then.
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Poll amended.
Thanks. Yes forgot that was the rule change for this season.
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24 years is long enough.
Give it your all and take us one step closer.
Come on you Lions.
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24 years is long enough.
Give it your all and take us one step closer.
Come on you Lions.
That made me stop and think. 24 years and I remember it like it was yesterday. It is about time we won a trophy again.
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Speaking of which, Davis should be back on the bench.
If he's fit, stick him in the team to fuck.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
I thought it would be sold out, so I didn't bother looking.
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If we reach the final is that enough to qualify for Europe?
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If we reach the final is that enough to qualify for Europe?
I don't think so. If we win it, obviously, yes, but if Man City win it and finish in the Champs League spots, they open up another league spot at number 6 or 7 I believe. I'm not sure I'd want us involved with the Europa. Another half a season's worth of games to win it.
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If we reach the final is that enough to qualify for Europe?
No
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
There's less than 1,200 tickets left, so it's still going to be a big crowd near to a full house.
The last time we played Leicester in the League Cup semi was 20 years ago. The crowd was just over 28,000.
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This is not doing my GTC figures any good. Sort it out!
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1-1. We hit a late equaliser, Konsa. This time, it's definitely his goal. Reina the hero in the shootout. Trezeguet sends us to Wembley where we beat Man City 3-1.
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If we sell all our remaining tickets, it still won’t top 40k. Leicester have got 4,226, all in the North, which holds just over 7k. We haven’t given them a single ticket more than we have to ( quite rightly). R1 and R7 haven’t been sold and there’s several rows netted off at the front of the Upper and Lower North.
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Villa to win on penalties and another trip to Wembley........hopefully.
Probably be a tad cooler in the Green Man beer garden this time of year though.
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I'm excited for this one. Looking forward to it.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
We don't sell out cup games. Bradford and Blackburn were 40k+ but didn't sell out. Albion QF was only 39,500 with 6k away fans. Genuinely can't remember the last cup game we sold out?
There will be less than 1k empty seats in our ends by kick off which isn't bad in January when everyone is skint. The fact we pretty much sold out against Watford on a Tuesday night says a lot about where the fans' priorities lie.
Other factors are that Leicester destroyed us at home a few weeks ago and most people I know think we're going to lose. Even if we do get through then Man City are waiting in the final who would most likely batter us.
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Didn't know Extra time isn't a thing anymore, could easily go to pens this.
Can remember Reina winning a few shoot outs at Liverpool, I take it he can play?
Should be a good atmosphere although Man. City in the final does put a dampen things a touch.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
We don't sell out cup games. Bradford and Blackburn were 40k+ but didn't sell out. Albion QF was only 39,500 with 6k away fans. Genuinely can't remember the last cup game we sold out?
There will be less than 1k empty seats in our ends by kick off which isn't bad in January when everyone is skint. The fact we pretty much sold out against Watford on a Tuesday night says a lot about where the fans' priorities lie.
Other factors are that Leicester destroyed us at home a few weeks ago and most people I know think we're going to lose. Even if we do get through then Man City are waiting in the final who would most likely batter us.
Shall we just not bother then? Should we give up on every competition because eventually we'll come up against a team better than us?
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
We don't sell out cup games. Bradford and Blackburn were 40k+ but didn't sell out. Albion QF was only 39,500 with 6k away fans. Genuinely can't remember the last cup game we sold out?
There will be less than 1k empty seats in our ends by kick off which isn't bad in January when everyone is skint. The fact we pretty much sold out against Watford on a Tuesday night says a lot about where the fans' priorities lie.
Other factors are that Leicester destroyed us at home a few weeks ago and most people I know think we're going to lose. Even if we do get through then Man City are waiting in the final who would most likely batter us.
Shall we just not bother then? Should we give up on every competition because eventually we'll come up against a team better than us?
I know what QV means, and I know what you mean too - that's the conundrum I have had going around in my head for a few days.
I hope we win it, but having just been swatted away by the other finalist, who ran up a cricket score without even trying, and adding in the distraction from the relegation fight, I have never been so unexcited about a cup semi final.
I know it's bad, but I can't help feeling that way.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
We don't sell out cup games. Bradford and Blackburn were 40k+ but didn't sell out. Albion QF was only 39,500 with 6k away fans. Genuinely can't remember the last cup game we sold out?
There will be less than 1k empty seats in our ends by kick off which isn't bad in January when everyone is skint. The fact we pretty much sold out against Watford on a Tuesday night says a lot about where the fans' priorities lie.
Other factors are that Leicester destroyed us at home a few weeks ago and most people I know think we're going to lose. Even if we do get through then Man City are waiting in the final who would most likely batter us.
Shall we just not bother then? Should we give up on every competition because eventually we'll come up against a team better than us?
Not saying that mate, my point was they are factors which are putting some people off. I know a few people who have said we'll lose in the final anyway so there's no point etc.
Either way, the crowd that is there will be rocking I'm sure and an early goal would lead to one of our best atmospheres for ages.
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Still not sold out, surprised about that. We can get 42k every week in the league but not for a semi? Maybe Man City awaiting is putting people off.
We don't sell out cup games. Bradford and Blackburn were 40k+ but didn't sell out. Albion QF was only 39,500 with 6k away fans. Genuinely can't remember the last cup game we sold out?
There will be less than 1k empty seats in our ends by kick off which isn't bad in January when everyone is skint. The fact we pretty much sold out against Watford on a Tuesday night says a lot about where the fans' priorities lie.
Other factors are that Leicester destroyed us at home a few weeks ago and most people I know think we're going to lose. Even if we do get through then Man City are waiting in the final who would most likely batter us.
Shall we just not bother then? Should we give up on every competition because eventually we'll come up against a team better than us?
I know what QV means, and I know what you mean too - that's the conundrum I have had going around in my head for a few days.
I hope we win it, but having just been swatted away by the other finalist, who ran up a cricket score without even trying, and adding in the distraction from the relegation fight, I have never been so unexcited about a cup semi final.
I know it's bad, but I can't help feeling that way.
I'm exactly the same. After the Citeh game I said we should throw it and chuck in the reserves for the second leg, but the couple of positive results since made me change my mind.
I hope we win because dumping a very decent Leicester side out over two legs is a feather worth having for this inexperienced side.
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I think the fact that it has been difficult to get tickets this season means a lot of people have just assumed it would sell-out. I know a few people who are going to try to get tickets now because they are aware it hasn't sold-out, and who would probably have bought last week if it had been advertised more.
The available tickets have already gone down from about 1500 to under 800 this morning, so I'd be surprised if it hasn't sold-out by the end of today.
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Man Utd might pull off a surprise on Wednesday, people: you never know. Wouldn't mind beating them at Wembley again!
Remember everyone thought we'd be playing Leeds in the Play-off Final???
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Man Utd might pull off a surprise on Wednesday, people: you never know. Wouldn't mind beating them at Wembley again!
Remember everyone thought we'd be playing Leeds in the Play-off Final???
I actually dreamed that the other night - City took their foot off the gas and United hit them on the break and won on the night 3-0
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Blimey, how times have changed …. when we would rather be playing Newton Heath, than Citeh, in a final :)
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just seen that the M6 southbound has overnight closures on it from 9pm....Junction 4 to J2 showing a diversion of M42/A5/M69....it is on the Highways Agency twitter feed.
UTV
The Doc
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Blimey, how times have changed …. when we would rather be playing Newton Heath, than Citeh, in a final :)
Go back 30 years and it wouldn't have mattered which of them.
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I think vardy and ichanecheao (sp?) Will start
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if we get through we will probably lose
But
Southampton got battered 9-0 a few weeks ago by Leicester yet best them on their own patch a couple of weeks back
every game is different
the line up against City was the most defensive I’ve ever seen
it was a White Flag line up and it said we are shit and we don’t believe we can do anything against you, do please take the ball of us and score as many as you like
Pathetic
hopefully if we get through (big if) we will be a bit more positive
You know like Palace, Norwich, Newcastle, Wolves etc who didn’t roll over and die like we did
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600 tickets left now, so will be almost full.
Hope nobody goes on the pitch if we win. Would look a bit daft if Man City did batter us in the final.
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Could be worse than the Arsenal humiliation
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Hope nobody goes on the pitch if we win. Would look a bit daft if Man City did batter us in the final.
I hope nobody goes on the pitch but the odds are they will, and no, it won't look daft at all. No one says how daft we were after Inter, or the Blackburn game, or even the Albion game. People just remember a great day and moment following Villa.
I don't get the negativity, maybe Leicester will batter us, maybe Man City will, but winning semi finals and and finals is the whole point of the club and the whole point of going to games. The shitfest finals against Chelsea and Arsenal and even the tie against Trabzonspor didn't diminsh that feeling when we beat Bolton, Albion/Liverpool and Inter. Those moments still live with me.
Wigan had no chance against Citeh, sha had no chance against Arsenal, Bradford had no chance against us and so on, well surprises happen so enjoy the ride wherever it ends.
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if we get through, it is a major cup final. Wigan beat Mancity and even blues beat Arsenal. Villa beat Manutd when they were red hot favorites for the treble in '94. Anything can happen in a one off final. On the other hand if we don't get through it's no biggie as we would probably get thrashed in the final.....therefore it is a win/win for us.
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Nakamba
Guilbert
Grealish
El Ghazi
Samagoal
Villa Park, full and under lights is a very special place.
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A few weeks ago we were mourning Ron Saunders. I can just imagine his response if anyone said we shouldn't bother turning up, or celebrating a win.
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Leicester are desperate for this, hence them risking a 80% Vardy when they shouldn’t really considering they wanT CL. WE NEED TO ENSURE WE ARE AT O
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Nakamba
Guilbert
Grealish
El Ghazi
Samagoal
Villa Park, full and under lights is a very special place.
I'd be happy to see that team tomorrow Ads.
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Sama Samagoal Samagoal Sama Samagoal!
Can't wait to hear that booming round the ground tomorrow night
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if we get through we will probably lose
But
Southampton got battered 9-0 a few weeks ago by Leicester yet best them on their own patch a couple of weeks back
every game is different
the line up against City was the most defensive I’ve ever seen
it was a White Flag line up and it said we are shit and we don’t believe we can do anything against you, do please take the ball of us and score as many as you like
Pathetic
hopefully if we get through (big if) we will be a bit more positive
You know like Palace, Norwich, Newcastle, Wolves etc who didn’t roll over and die like we did
A bit harsh. Attacking wise, we didn't have a lot of options and it was the same side that got us points against Watford, Brighton and a decent draw at Leicester. I just think it was a case of us not being able to touch them rather than us rolling over and dying.
edit. Just looked at the team and I forgot he left Tresequet on the bench,
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if we get through we will probably lose
But
Southampton got battered 9-0 a few weeks ago by Leicester yet best them on their own patch a couple of weeks back
every game is different
the line up against City was the most defensive I’ve ever seen
it was a White Flag line up and it said we are shit and we don’t believe we can do anything against you, do please take the ball of us and score as many as you like
Pathetic
hopefully if we get through (big if) we will be a bit more positive
You know like Palace, Norwich, Newcastle, Wolves etc who didn’t roll over and die like we did
A bit harsh. Attacking wise, we didn't have a lot of options and it was the same side that got us points against Watford, Brighton and a decent draw at Leicester. I just think it was a case of us not being able to touch them rather than us rolling over and dying.
edit. Just looked at the team and I forgot he left Tresequet on the bench,
he got Taylor and Elmo as wing backs !
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Nakamba
Guilbert
Grealish
El Ghazi
Samagoal
Villa Park, full and under lights is a very special place.
Maybe Chester might come in? Bit of a risk having him backup centre back with very little football played. Konsa's form has been quite mixed anyway.
That said, I don't think Smith has any alternative but to start with Samatta.
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Nakamba
Guilbert
Grealish
El Ghazi
Samagoal
Villa Park, full and under lights is a very special place.
What he said
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Drinkwater will start. And he'll set up a goal.
For us, before you all start.
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Drinkwater will start. And he'll set up a goal.
I thought he was cup tied ?
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Luiz
Nakamba
Guilbert
Grealish
El Ghazi
Samagoal
Villa Park, full and under lights is a very special place.
I'd be more than happy with that eleven
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Drinkwater will start. And he'll set up a goal.
I thought he was cup tied ?
Maybe that was just a test to see who was paying attention...
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Okay, Ads 11 then. Hourihane for Luiz with a good half an hour to go.
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I see Vardy has recovered in record time from his injury.
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Drinkwater played for Burnley in the cup earlier this season. Knowing our luck Samatta probably made a substitute appearance for Peterborough.
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Anyone know if the London Lions are watching this en masse somewhere?
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Vardy would be fit for tomorrow if he’d broken both legs today. It’s how injuries work when playing us.
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Fingers crossed he'll be their second forced injury substitution within the opening ten minutes.
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Or red card.
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Just looked on the Villa ticket site out of interest to see what tickets were still left & was surprised to see it looked like Liester have been given the North Stand. We have lost our fans behind the goal just hope there is good support & noise from us fans.
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They have the upper tier only.
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They have the upper tier only.
5 blocks in the lower as well I think Ads.(?)
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They do. And lots and lots of netting.
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Considering only 1 club caused problems by being above Villa fans in the North I do wonder why we've decided to change things this season.
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They have the upper tier only.
Both tiers. Only 4200 tickets and the other 2800 seats netted off or empty, same as Wolves. Shame we've lost our lower North atmosphere and I always think it dilutes the away support a bit more when you split them across two separate upper tiers, whereas tomorrow they'll have their own end. I'm sure the whole ground will be up for it tomorrow though and not just the Holte.
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Those that actually matter on the pitch aswell.
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Highways England
@HighwaysWMIDS
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Planned Roadworks tomorrow (28th Jan) between Junction 4 to 2 M6 Southbound. Full overnight closure from 9pm, diversion via M42/A5/M69. Please plan your journey in advance, especially fans attending @AVFCOfficial vs @LCFC in the #CarabaoCup Semi Final #Roadworks
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Highways England
@HighwaysWMIDS
15h
Planned Roadworks tomorrow (28th Jan) between Junction 4 to 2 M6 Southbound. Full overnight closure from 9pm, diversion via M42/A5/M69. Please plan your journey in advance, especially fans attending @AVFCOfficial vs @LCFC in the #CarabaoCup Semi Final #Roadworks
Well, that’s a bit daft isn’t it...
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Ah right, saw the allocation and assumed it would be upper tier only. Seems an odd decision.
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Not sure if mentioned already but Gregarious Gregg has said Keinan will also be available tonight.
Two strikers to choose from? Surely not.
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Or red card.
I'd rather they didn't get anyone sent off. We're not the best against ten men.
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Nine. Second red card.
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Hopefully we've got some sort of tactical plan for the right side of the pitch this time. Chilwell had the freedom of that side in the last VP match.
How we handle their FBs will probably decide this.
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a win of any sort please Villa...
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The Doc
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Come on Villa boys! To be in with a chance of a final and potentially silverware is a real bonus this season. Let's enjoy it, cheer the lads on and who knows what may happen! UTV!
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I called a draw before the first leg and I have no idea why or how but I think we're going to win 2-1 tonight, Samatta and Grealish to score.
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They’re meeting at The Tap In, Elephant & Castle according to the Twitter page
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Anyone heard if the club have got anything planned? Not a fan of the little flags but scarves would look decent. Wonder if the big flag from the Albion play offs will make an appearance again aswell. Just as long as they don't do a cringetastic light show, can't stand them and don't get why they seem to be all the rage.
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We are all getting little flags with fireworks attached to them.
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I hope they are planning to win a match nothing else ;)
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I know I'm a miserable bastard (most of my posts seem to moaning about things the majority people consider harmless fun), but I'm really not a fan of these attempts to create organised atmosphere with flags, scarves, light shows, clappy things etc. Obviously flags and scarves are considerably more acceptable than the second two, but I do think most of these displays tend to look a bit artificial. We're quite capable of creating a decent atmosphere without props.
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I'd love us to get a shot at some silverware (obviously), but I'm more concerned about losing a key player to injury tbh. Whatever the final result, just give it a good go guys & save summat for the coming 6-pointer with B-Muff.
UTV
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Smith has already said he doesn't know whether to start with a striker, or stick with those that have been fine in the last couple of games.
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Anyone heard if the club have got anything planned? Not a fan of the little flags but scarves would look decent. Wonder if the big flag from the Albion play offs will make an appearance again aswell. Just as long as they don't do a cringetastic light show, can't stand them and don't get why they seem to be all the rage.
We cant do a light show as our floodlights aren't LED. Fun fact from within my lighting world!
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I would take a win over Bournemouth over a win tonight.
If it wasn’t citeh in the final and if the impact of relegation was not so potentially devastating I might think differently.
I just hope we come through without any serious injuries to key players.
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I'm looking forward to this I reckon we will get a 2-1 win and Wembley bound.
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They’re meeting at The Tap In, Elephant & Castle according to the Twitter page
Yep, for anyone London-based definitely come check out the Tap In!
Good atmosphere and numbers, and £4 a pint if you bring something with Villa colours on.
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Leicester are so desperate to win that they will probably risk Vardy even if not fully fit.
It will dent their fragile ego if we win. They hate it that they will never be able to compete with us a big club. Another always in our shadow, along with a few others.
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Leicester are so desperate to win that they will probably risk Vardy even if not fully fit.
It will dent their fragile ego if we win. They hate it that they will never be able to compete with us a big club. Another always in our shadow, along with a few others.
How are they in our shadow?
They won the league a few years ago, in with a shout of CL qualification.
Have assembled a very good team that ripped us apart at VP.
Yes they have a lego ground and stupid clackers but in our shadow?
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Leicester are so desperate to win that they will probably risk Vardy even if not fully fit.
It will dent their fragile ego if we win. They hate it that they will never be able to compete with us a big club. Another always in our shadow, along with a few others.
How are they in our shadow?
They won the league a few years ago, in with a shout of CL qualification.
Have assembled a very good team that ripped us apart at VP.
Yes they have a lego ground and stupid clackers but in our shadow?
Yeah I'm not following that either tbh. I don't love them on account of their fans but I admire what they've done in the league both the season they won and since, particularly this year. We're 16th and they're 3rd by quite some distance so let's not be silly.
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Leicester are so desperate to win that they will probably risk Vardy even if not fully fit.
It will dent their fragile ego if we win. They hate it that they will never be able to compete with us a big club. Another always in our shadow, along with a few others.
How are they in our shadow?
They won the league a few years ago, in with a shout of CL qualification.
Have assembled a very good team that ripped us apart at VP.
Yes they have a lego ground and stupid clackers but in our shadow?
Agreed, Leicester are a far bigger team than us these days. Need to get our heads around that.
Winning the modern-day Premier League is probably a bigger achievement than anything we've ever done, apart from 1982.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
I think they can never become as big a club as we are, have been or could be, but don’t forget we were a couple of Billionaires away from oblivion.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
I think they can never become as big a club as we are, have been or could be, but don’t forget we were a couple of Billionaires away from oblivion.
What does that have to do with which is the bigger club?
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
I think they can never become as big a club as we are, have been or could be, but don’t forget we were a couple of Billionaires away from oblivion.
What does that have to do with which is the bigger club?
Nothing
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Yep and lots of small businesses went out of business, see also Portsmouth and others.
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Not a bigger club, more successful in recent times that's for sure and good luck to them because Leicester broke up that ever boring top 4 syndrome, that said, Villa to win 2-1.
Come on Villa, one step away from the final.
Jack be nimble, Jack be quick.
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I don’t think anyone has said they are a bigger club.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
Yes, well, technically Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester. For all the good it does them, sitting 6th in League One.
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A win and a good performance tonight is also good for Saturday's game.
Confidence is everything.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
Yes, well, technically Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester. For all the good it does them, sitting 6th in League One.
And your point is?
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
DMail. But a good read.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3582034/Leicester-City-s-Premier-League-success-restored-faith-football-darker-fairytale.html
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I know they put out a weakened side last night but Bournemouth were pretty awful for most of the game against a rank average Arsenal as well.
Good win tonight and we can take them Saturday as well - players should bust a gut in next 2 games as they have a decent break coming up
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Fewer than 100 seats left now for tonight.
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Not a million miles away from us being bailed out of administration by Billionaires and selling the rights to VP to keep the club ticking. I could see the rules changing around that in the near future.
In 10 years time, a run of silverware for them and a string of bad results for us, and there's an argument to be had about who the bigger club is.
Let's take one step towards keeping the balance firmly in our favour tonight ;)
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Not a million miles away from us being bailed out of administration by Billionaires and selling the rights to VP to keep the club ticking. I could see the rules changing around that in the near future.
In 10 years time, a run of silverware for them and a string of bad results for us, and there's an argument to be had about who the bigger club is.
Let's take one step towards keeping the balance firmly in our favour tonight ;)
It is a billion miles apart. How many innocent suppliers got screwed by us?
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Not a million miles away from us being bailed out of administration by Billionaires and selling the rights to VP to keep the club ticking. I could see the rules changing around that in the near future.
In 10 years time, a run of silverware for them and a string of bad results for us, and there's an argument to be had about who the bigger club is.
Let's take one step towards keeping the balance firmly in our favour tonight ;)
It is a billion miles apart. How many innocent suppliers got screwed by us?
Sorry, I meant the concept of 'to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed', rather than the actual details of the incident.
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I have a reverse Han Solo about this one: “I got a good feeling about this...”
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Leicester will never be a big club.
They're my hometown team, but I've never liked them. They always had decent support, but never anything spectacular. Forest have always had better support, and Derby are very equal to Leicester in almost every respect. It's all about opinions, however.
My dad took me as a kid, but I thought Filbert Street was shit, the team was always Division 1 when I was growing up, and my Grandad was Villa. One glimpse of Villa Park and it was love at first sight.
If we beat them tonight we'll have done really well, because they play very decent football. I don't like Vardy, Rodgers, Maddison and co, but they'd improve us no end if they were ours. My dad will sit in the Holte tonight and cheer us on. In many ways he loves us more than Leicester. But if Leicester triumph, I'll bear no grudges. Not towards my dad, anyway.
I hate Leicester, though. Not as much as other teams, but they're certainly up there with West Brom, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle.
Fuck them. Up the Villa.
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I would take a win over Bournemouth over a win tonight.
If it wasn’t citeh in the final and if the impact of relegation was not so potentially devastating I might think differently.
I just hope we come through without any serious injuries to key players.
You're right about the Bournemouth game being much, much more important. I was extremely apprehensive this time last week before the Watford game.
As far as I'm concerned, getting to the League Cup semi-final has been a bonus, a little winter warmer, considering it's our first season back in the Prem, and it would be great to win tonight!
As I said before, if we do get through, Manure could pull off a result against £iteh tomorrow...
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I know they put out a weakened side last night but Bournemouth were pretty awful for most of the game against a rank average Arsenal as well.
Good win tonight and we can take them Saturday as well - players should bust a gut in next 2 games as they have a decent break coming up
Absolutely this, as with 15 days to our next game after Saturday I want to see our strongest possible side tonight and v Bournemouth
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Not a million miles away from us being bailed out of administration by Billionaires and selling the rights to VP to keep the club ticking. I could see the rules changing around that in the near future.
In 10 years time, a run of silverware for them and a string of bad results for us, and there's an argument to be had about who the bigger club is.
Let's take one step towards keeping the balance firmly in our favour tonight ;)
There's absolutely no argument to be had, ever.
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19 seats left according to the website.
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
Not a million miles away from us being bailed out of administration by Billionaires and selling the rights to VP to keep the club ticking. I could see the rules changing around that in the near future.
In 10 years time, a run of silverware for them and a string of bad results for us, and there's an argument to be had about who the bigger club is.
Let's take one step towards keeping the balance firmly in our favour tonight ;)
It is a billion miles apart. How many innocent suppliers got screwed by us?
Sorry, I meant the concept of 'to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed', rather than the actual details of the incident.
Nothing we've done has given us a ridiculously unfair adantage over every other club we're competing with and been almost totally dependent on future success.
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What's also conveniently forgotten in the rush to praise Leicester is that they went into administration and came out thanks to a deal that was so outrageously unfair it led to the rules on such situations being changed.
DMail. But a good read.
https://www.dailyheil.co.uk/sport/football/article-3582034/Leicester-City-s-Premier-League-success-restored-faith-football-darker-fairytale.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3582034/Leicester-City-s-Premier-League-success-restored-faith-football-darker-fairytale.html)
Don't care if it's a good read; they are fucking hateful c***s and I am making my objection known. :-/
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
Yes, well, technically Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester. For all the good it does them, sitting 6th in League One.
And your point is?
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
Yes, well, technically Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester. For all the good it does them, sitting 6th in League One.
And your point is?
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Come back when Leicester are bigger than we are.
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We could spend 3 years in the Northern Premier League and we'd still be bigger than fucking Leicester.
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They might be a better team. They'll never be a bigger club.
Yes, well, technically Sunderland are a bigger club than Leicester. For all the good it does them, sitting 6th in League One.
And your point is?
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Come back when Leicester are bigger than we are.
Hah, no I'm grand thanks, I think I'll stick around until your retorts get a bit smarter.
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Leicester were, are and will always be a poor mans Nottingham Forest.
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It’s like saying Kasabian are bigger than the Stones because they’ve had a hit record more recently.
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My sig.
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Leicester aren't even the biggest club in their own city; the rugby club are bigger than them.
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Ouch!
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Who the fuck are Leicester?
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This is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970.
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45 seats left for tonight, are we getting too choosy about attending?
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45 seats left for tonight, are we getting too choosy about attending?
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45 seats left for tonight, are we getting too choosy about attending?
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Irony, Lee, irony.
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Leicester aren't even the biggest club in their own city; the rugby club are bigger than them.
That's just not true man, the football club is undoubtedly huge and winning the league did wonders for them.
They are considered 'bigger' than us by the vast majority of people in their early 20's who aren't so aware of our history, and if we go another 10 years without winning anything that'll become more and more of a common consensus.
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The Sky generation? Anyone with greater than one functioning brain cell knows Villa > Leicester.
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45 seats left for tonight, are we getting too choosy about attending?
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Irony, Lee, irony.
For moment there I thought I was on the rumours thread and we had signed " Lee Irony"
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On what fucking planet are Leicester bigger than us?
Even the mutants out of their East Midlands swamps wouldn't come out with such bollocks.
The biggest club in the Midlands, by a mile has and always will be, us.
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I used to look after the phones at an engineering firm in Leicester, and I was in the canteen talking football with my gaffer who was a nose (one of the better ones).
One of the lads that worked there joined in, big dopey bugger but harmless enough, and we were discussing the merits of our three teams on a reasonable basis.
The big lad then got up to make a cuppa, and I noticed a claret shirt hanging out of the back of his trousers. I asked him if it was a Villa shirt and he said yes, his Nan had bought it for him because he'd liked that one (think it was the NTL one)
Fucking weirdos.
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The Sky generation? Anyone with greater than one functioning brain cell knows Villa > Leicester.
I know we're bigger and agree, but I'm arguing that the common consensus of the 'typical' football fan is starting to shift - we need to start winning silverware again to prevent that from happening. That is the truth. Especially with the rapid pace modern football is going.
I'm in my mid-20's myself which is probably why I'm getting this perspective.
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I get tired of this but I'll roll it out again.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.I
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This is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970.
the first leg of which we drew 1-1 away.
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When I first got into football as a kid in the late seventies Leicester were a Small Heath style yo-yo club between divisions one & two. MON changed that and won promotion and two trophies and then after some bad years they had their title win and Champions League run. I would compare them to Blackburn in the nineties/early noughties.
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I get tired of this but I'll roll it out again.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.I
When was the last time we were class?
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I get tired of this but I'll roll it out again.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.I
There's no 'I' in form.
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I get tired of this but I'll roll it out again.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.I
When was the last time we were class?
When was the last time we weren't?
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Leicester being compared to us is as funny and mental as sticking Dugarry in your hall of fame.
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Leicester aren't even the biggest club in their own city; the rugby club are bigger than them.
That's just not true man, the football club is undoubtedly huge and winning the league did wonders for them.
They are considered 'bigger' than us by the vast majority of people in their early 20's who aren't so aware of our history, and if we go another 10 years without winning anything that'll become more and more of a common consensus.
Agreed, the rugby club is nowhere near as big as the the football club these days. The average attendance for the egg chasers is about 18K compared to 32K for the football team. In addition, you rarely see a Leicester Tigers shirt in the city centre or the surrounding towns. All four of our kids are at school in Leicester now, and you see loads of people wearing some sort of Leicester City gear, eg replica kits, hats and scarves etc. Not so the rugby. The rugby team is followed by a niche, mostly middle class, mostly middle aged crowd. The football team is more popular by a huge amount. Hopefully this isn't stereotypical, but there's a big Asian population in Leicester and the surrounding towns, and from my experience they are a lot more interested in football than they are rugby. It's the same in Northamptonshire.
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I don't even think a club needs to win anything to be considered bigger. Look at Tottenham, finish in the top four a few times and you're talked about non stop.
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it might be an age thing as atal says as I’ve never never considered Leicester to be a bigger Club than Sunderland for one nano second no matter what division they are in
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
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This is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970.
the first leg of which we drew 1-1 away.
We lost to Everton at this stage when we were underdogs, mid 80’s? Can’t remember exactly.
2-1 tonight please like 1970
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Ndidi being fit for them is annoying, out till mid February they said.
I don't see us progressing but hopefully we make a game of it.
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Given the Blues have won the League Cup in the last 10 years and we haven't, by your logic would they be viewed as a bigger club now?
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.
bigger than Leicester
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Leicester are looking to finish in the top 6 for the second time in 50 years. It's hardly "continuing to compete with the best in the country".
Bigger than us Leicester are in their first semi final since playing us in 2000. We're in our 7th since then.
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.
That's all you could pick out of my post? I guess it proves you're wrong.
Leicester's average attendance is about 32k now. Our average was about that when we were in the Championship. Our average attendance has NEVER been lower than theirs.
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Leicester are looking to finish in the top 6 for the second time in 50 years. It's hardly "continuing to compete with the best in the country".
Bigger than us Leicester are in their first semi final since playing us in 2000. We're in our 7th since then.
Well said PWS! It's my 50th birthday today, make it a good one Villa!
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Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.
We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?
To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.
Your perception is wrong then.
Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success and are now very rich.
Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).
Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.
Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.
That's all you could pick out of my post? I guess it proves you're wrong.
Leicester's average attendance is about 32k now. Our average was about that when we were in the Championship. Our average attendance has NEVER been lower than theirs.
I'm working now so I didn't have time to pick out every incorrect assertion in your post. But I'll say this - I've lived in the North East and attended away games at the Stadium of Light. Sunderland are not a big club now, and outside of their own fan base, I don't think you'd find a majority who would agree with you.
And re: Leicester's average attendance - 32,243 is the full capacity of their stadium FFS. They'll expand or move to a bigger home before too long, just as Spurs have done. Doesn't make them a small club.
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My last word on this and any other subject for tonight:
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Sunderland are wank this season, and still averaging 10k more than Leicester did when they strolled to the div 3 title in 2009.
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As things stand, Leicester have finish top 6 the same number of times as Bury. Big club my arse.
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Can you imagine Twitter in 1982 or 1994?
"I'm not going, we'll get hammered"
Come on boys!
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Leicester aren't even the biggest club in their own city; the rugby club are bigger than them.
..and they're having their worst season ever.
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Please villa, just shaft the bastards.
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Just like pointing out to Spurzz fans they've won the same no. of league titles as Burnley and less than Huddersfield.
And every cup Villa won had a 1 in the year as well! Twats!
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Just like pointing out to Spurzz fans they've won the same no. of league titles as Burnley and less than Huddersfield.
And every cup Villa won had a 1 in the year as well! Twats!
Peace Cup?
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Do you reckon we will put out a completely full strength team?
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Us 4-3 Them
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Service in the Bartons is awful tonight.
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I wonder how many changes from first leg starting 11?
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Do you reckon we will put out a completely full strength team?
About to find out. Personally, I don't envy Smith this one, though I'm sure pretty much sure that everyone reading this and everyone there tonight will say he must play our strongest possible XI.
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Can you imagine Twitter in 1982 or 1994?
"I'm not going, we'll get hammered"
Come on boys!
We were playing Tranmere at this stage in 94!