Quote from: brontebilly on January 05, 2020, 10:43:13 AMQuote from: GarTomas on January 05, 2020, 09:47:26 AMQuote from: Smithy on January 04, 2020, 08:42:10 PMI think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.It was a very lazy signing from Smith. He obviously rated him from his Brentford days but the step up at Jota's age was always going to be a struggle. Has absolutely no chance of making it on the right wing.One in the eye for those who say people get more right wing as they get older.
Quote from: GarTomas on January 05, 2020, 09:47:26 AMQuote from: Smithy on January 04, 2020, 08:42:10 PMI think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.It was a very lazy signing from Smith. He obviously rated him from his Brentford days but the step up at Jota's age was always going to be a struggle. Has absolutely no chance of making it on the right wing.
Quote from: Smithy on January 04, 2020, 08:42:10 PMI think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
All those criticising the selection yesterday would have been similarly annoyed had we gone full strength and Grealish, for instance, had picked up a long term injury. Smith’s job is also about squad management and priorities and given events at Burnley his hand was forced. For the long term prospects of the club the league has to come first.
Since we first played in the FA Cup in 1879 our record is nowFirst 41 years 6 times we've won the Cup last 100 years once.As Sven would say 'first 41 years good last 100 years not so good'
Quote from: Ads on January 04, 2020, 05:13:49 PMTerrible game.Terrible ground.Terrible atmosphere.Terrible performance.Terrible opposition. Terrible builders.Terrible Taylor.Terrible Engels.Terrible Hourihane.Terrible Lansbury. Terrible Nakamba.Terrible El Ghazi.Terrible Jota.Terrible open system.Terrible lack of pace.Terrible lack structure.Terrible lack of quality.Terrible lack of synonyms.And now my hand is cold. Oh well, at least we didn't draw.But apart from all that - a good day out, no?!
Terrible game.Terrible ground.Terrible atmosphere.Terrible performance.Terrible opposition. Terrible builders.Terrible Taylor.Terrible Engels.Terrible Hourihane.Terrible Lansbury. Terrible Nakamba.Terrible El Ghazi.Terrible Jota.Terrible open system.Terrible lack of pace.Terrible lack structure.Terrible lack of quality.Terrible lack of synonyms.And now my hand is cold. Oh well, at least we didn't draw.
I'm light years ahead of Lansbury and I'm nearly 50, fat, ugly, bald, crap at football and have failing eyesight.
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 05, 2020, 11:29:01 AMAll those criticising the selection yesterday would have been similarly annoyed had we gone full strength and Grealish, for instance, had picked up a long term injury. Smith’s job is also about squad management and priorities and given events at Burnley his hand was forced. For the long term prospects of the club the league has to come first.no problem with the team selection but the team didn’t want to be there they didn’t care didn’t even bother tryingthe performance was shit and that’s the players fault and a Smithsthey should have been made to walk home
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws. 77 Man Utd (A) Round 678 Everton (A) 379 Forest (A) 380 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in81 Ipswich (A) 382 Spurs (A) 583 Arsenal (A) 684 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3 85 Liverpool (A) 3
1 goal in 11 league games, 5 goaless games either side of a 1-0 home win over Oldham.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 05, 2020, 02:14:32 PMIn fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws. 77 Man Utd (A) Round 678 Everton (A) 379 Forest (A) 380 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in81 Ipswich (A) 382 Spurs (A) 583 Arsenal (A) 684 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3 85 Liverpool (A) 31980 and 1992 were missed opportunities, as were the two finals we qualified for but didn't turn up for.
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