Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2020, 04:55:30 PM
-
The wait for the holy grail goes on.
-
Fucking shit.
-
Great game, thoroughly entertaining. Credit to our players. Excellent squad depth shines through.
-
Poor as piss that. Our second string are all hopeless.
-
Fucking sixty fucking three and the count continues.
-
💩
-
4th consecutive 3rd round defeat, hey ho, we've more important things to worry about.
-
Just the double this season.
-
Hopeless performance.
The midfield was pathetic.
-
Garbage...again.
-
Job done I guess. Not too obvious.
Well done, Deano but spare us the prematch BS.
Maybe next year.
-
is there any point in entering the competition anymore
-
Oh well. Still got the League Cup and after that:
Priority 1 - staying up.
Priority 2 - build a squad more than four players deep.
-
Getting really tired of the uninspired, tepid bullshit week in and week out. Fulham have 10-15 minute spells of pressure and we could barely create a chance.
My biggest problem is being so unorganized. Quite frankly, I don’t care who is playing where. Dean has drilled this god damn 4-3-3 into the players and no one knows what the hell is going on. Poor traps, poor defending out top of the box, no facilitator in the middle of the park.
I don’t know how we only play one formation yet we are so bad at it.
-
Maybe next year
We should incorporate this motto into the club badge
-
Comprehensively second best from start to finish.
Frightening lack of quality in squad.
Understand the overriding importance of staying up but couldn’t we have tried to look at least a bit less shit today?
-
The distinct lack of effort from the players is extremely alarming!
-
4th consecutive 3rd round defeat, hey ho, we've more important things to worry about.
Some going after getting to the Cup final in 2015.
I can't remember any of the knockouts apart from last year when we were God-awful at home to Swansea.
-
Some of our first teamers are shite so it's unreasonable to expect the stiffs to be any better. They didn't have to prove it so comprehensively today though.
-
What an utter load of shat.
A team with preening ponces who strut around like they have made it, when in fact they are nothing but mediocre wastrels.
Lansbury, el Ghazi, Kodjia I’m looking at you in particular.......fucking wastrels.
What I (and most on here I guess) remember as the one of the best weekends of the season, is now reduced to a sideshow.
-
4th consecutive 3rd round defeat, hey ho, we've more important things to worry about.
And worry we should. Another shocking, tactically inept performance. We deserved nothing.
-
Frustrating that we changed to a formation that seemed to work well for us last game and today we have gone back to the one were we by we looked crap previously.
Hopefully thats the last we see of 4-3-3.
-
Had it on the radio, sounded a lousy game. How did Nyland do? The goals sounded like there wasn't much he could do, so was his overall game decent?
-
I put the blame firmly on the players today, a number of them looked like they couldn't give a shit about the game.
-
That game looked like an inconvenience to most of those fuckers.
-
All a bit meh.
I look at the starting line up; 3rd choice keeper and only one of the defenders I see being in our squad next year (Engels)
Pretty much the same in midfield and forwards as well.
-
I just hope at the end of this upcoming week we don’t look back at an FA cup exit followed by dickings by Leicester and Man City
-
Disappointed about going out the cup again but with whats happened on the injury front, a two legged semi final coming up and needing us to win league games, it might be for the best this season. We were crap though.
-
A tepid, disjointed, mediocre performance. Hardly surprising.
Their goals were good.
The R5 commentator said they have taken our scalp which I thought was over the top.
-
Looking at the bigger picture, Southampton, Watford, Newcastle & Norwich are all still involved, which could work to our advantage because of fixture pile-ups.
We HAVE to stay up this season (FFP, Jack, John, etc)
(League Cup would still be nice though!)
-
63 years and counting.
-
I utterly hate it but the club didn't want to progress which is all very well if we get a result on Weds....
-
Had it on the radio, sounded a lousy game. How did Nyland do? The goals sounded like there wasn't much he could do, so was his overall game decent?
He didn't have a lot to do except retrieve the ball from the net a couple of times. They were both excellent goals.
-
My biggest problem is being so unorganized. Quite frankly, I don’t care who is playing where. Dean has drilled this god damn 4-3-3 into the players and no one knows what the hell is going on. Poor traps, poor defending out top of the box, no facilitator in the middle of the park.
I don’t know how we only play one formation yet we are so bad at it.
I think you've answered your own question.
-
I just hope at the end of this week we don’t look back at an FA cup exit followed by dickings by Leicester and Man City
Unfortunately, that looks likely.
-
We haven’t got the squad to fight on 3 fronts, especially following the horrendous injuries of late. New signings needed urgently.
-
I put the blame firmly on the players today, a number of them looked like they couldn't give a shit about the game.
Absolutely. Kodjia literally just runs whenever he has to, otherwise he just stands still. The attitude of some of those players is disgusting.
-
I just hope at the end of this week we don’t look back at an FA cup exit followed by dickings by Leicester and Man City
Almost unavoidable I would have thought unless there are some miraculous signings over the next few days.
-
4th consecutive 3rd round defeat
Absolute joke
-
My biggest problem is being so unorganized. Quite frankly, I don’t care who is playing where. Dean has drilled this god damn 4-3-3 into the players and no one knows what the hell is going on. Poor traps, poor defending out top of the box, no facilitator in the middle of the park.
I don’t know how we only play one formation yet we are so bad at it.
I think you've answered your own question.
Huh?
-
Harry Arter interview straight after the game "talk us through your goal Harry just minutes after you came on"
Arter: "well i felt like there was a lot of room so i just hit it" Says it all really. Lack of quality, lack of effort,lack of desire. Some of our players today would not hold down a place in the Championship. Elmo, Lansbury, Jota, Kodja, Hourihane, El Ghazi. Piss poor.
-
Hardly surprising, but bloody hell shows how weak our squad is.
-
Looking at the bigger picture, Southampton, Watford, Newcastle & Norwich are all still involved, which could work to our advantage because of fixture pile-ups.
We HAVE to stay up this season (FFP, Jack, John, etc)
(League Cup would still be nice though!)
They're probably thinking the same about our upcoming two-legged, morale-sapping semi against Leicester.
-
I put the blame firmly on the players today, a number of them looked like they couldn't give a shit about the game.
Realistically for Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury, Hourihane, El Ghazi, Jota and Kodjia there next move is down the football food chain and given their age it's going to be soon.
Outworked by Fulham throughout the game.
-
Didn’t know Knockaert played for them until he scored. Always liked him
-
I put the blame firmly on the players today, a number of them looked like they couldn't give a shit about the game.
That’s not great from a bunch of players who should be trying to impress.
-
Terrible disappointing and depressing game.
It just shows how poor a squad we really have.
We need to buy some quality in January or we are in real trouble
Do we really only have four quality players - McGinn, Grealish, Mings and Heaton.
-
How did Chester play?
-
My biggest problem is being so unorganized. Quite frankly, I don’t care who is playing where. Dean has drilled this god damn 4-3-3 into the players and no one knows what the hell is going on. Poor traps, poor defending out top of the box, no facilitator in the middle of the park.
I don’t know how we only play one formation yet we are so bad at it.
I think you've answered your own question.
Huh?
I don't think Dean has a clue tactically what he's doing. Today was as poor as the Watford game. It begs the old chestnut, what the hell do they do at Bodymoor Heath?
-
Terrible game.
Terrible ground.
Terrible atmosphere.
Terrible performance.
Terrible opposition.
Terrible builders.
Terrible Taylor.
Terrible Engels.
Terrible Hourihane.
Terrible Lansbury.
Terrible Nakamba.
Terrible El Ghazi.
Terrible Jota.
Terrible open system.
Terrible lack of pace.
Terrible lack structure.
Terrible lack of quality.
Terrible lack of synonyms.
And now my hand is cold. Oh well, at least we didn't draw.
-
Fulham played like a team, they passed, moved and were always available for each other. They harassed and closed us down relentlessly and tackled doggedly throughout. They wanted to win the game.
Everything that we didn't do.
-
Do we really only have four quality players - McGinn, Grealish, Mings and Heaton.
I’d add Guilbert, Nakamba and Luiz albeit inconsistently. After that we have a lot of players who can play well but havent shown it consistently.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
-
Quite an ungracious interview with DS on 5 Live just now. He suggested that it was an even game and that Fulham got lucky with the goals.
They were better all over the pitch.
-
I try to stick up for Neil Taylor because he's Welsh, but he really isn't very good at football, is he?
-
I put the blame firmly on the players today, a number of them looked like they couldn't give a shit about the game.
That’s not great from a bunch of players who should be trying to impress.
Exactly, they should be trying to impress DS, or at the very least someone else for a future contract somewhere. Instead they looked there were in a testimonial they had no interest in.
-
given the week we've had with injuries, the need to prioritize PL survival, and the urgency to attract new blood into the first team squad, the result is meaningless; as ever it's the utter abomination of the performance that pisses me off.I thought last year's surrender to Swansea was bad, but this was beyond egregious. Just fuck off you bunch of arrogant fuck weasels.
-
I try to stick up for Neil Taylor because he's Welsh, but he really isn't very good at football, is he?
Other than that though!
-
This is a glimpse of how we might do if we get relegated. Utter shite. Unmotivated players. Crap system. Start signing players and get rid of some of the crap. Brings shame on the club, losing to a second division side, again.
-
Quite an ungracious interview with DS on 5 Live just now. He suggested that it was an even game and that Fulham got lucky with the goals.
They were better all over the pitch.
It was an even game.
Apart from Fulham having more possession, shots, corners, and shots on target there wasn't a gnat's chuff between the 2 sides.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
That ran rings 'round us. I dream of us being that shit.
-
Listening on the wireless, that sounded like a whole bunch of piles of assorted shites.
Thanks for letting me not have to worry about winning it for another year. Nah, honest, it's alright, I'm sure I'm going to live forfuckingever.
-
Still annoys me when we go out.
-
Didn’t know Knockaert played for them until he scored. Always liked him
I thought he was by far the best player on the pitch today.
-
Quite an ungracious interview with DS on 5 Live just now. He suggested that it was an even game and that Fulham got lucky with the goals.
They were better all over the pitch.
It was an even game.
Apart from Fulham having more possession, shots, corners, and shots on target there wasn't a gnat's chuff between the 2 sides.
Ha! And the goals, of course.
He said that Arter scored a goal that he'll never score again for the rest of his career. Now, that may be true, but there's no need to piss on the lad's chips just because your own side played like shit.
-
I'm not bothered we're out given our thin squad and precarious league position, but the shitness of our second string is worrying
-
Well that’s proved we have no strength in depth what so ever.
Absolute shower the lot of them.
-
Not sure what rationale Smith will use for not keeping the same formation as Burnley. It was a standard mid table championship game, or maybe even a pre season version. Our squad depth is very average but I don't think Smith's set up remotely helped. We scored a fine equaliser and obviously AEG missed an utter sitter. Two we conceded were worldies so a little unlucky.
Positives - Nyland was fine, Chester got through 90 mins. Elmo was fine, Kodjia did ok I thought on very limited possession.
Negatives - Nakamba was really poor, disgraceful effort for the first goal but has an awful lot to learn positionally. Other two midfielders anonymous with and without the ball, we desperately need a better midfielder in Jan than these three. Engels was poor I thought, made a number of poor decisions. AEG offered nothing in wing play but must be worth trying him down the middle. Jota isn't a right winger but we knew that anyway.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
They kept possession and knocked it around without much pressure, see the amount of passes that led to their winner.
If Lansbury or Kodjia had an ounce of Knockaert's desire we might have had a chance. Hourihane did his usual invisible routine away from home.
We are so weak without Mings and Grealish but for a coach that espouses attacking football, Smith was kidding himself in the 5Live interview just now, mentioning the couple of chances we created in the game. We were comfortably the poorer team.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
They kept possession and knocked it around without much pressure, see the amount of passes that led to their winner.
If Lansbury or Kodjia had an ounce of Knockaert's desire we might have had a chance. Hourihane did his usual invisible routine away from home.
We are so weak without Mings and Grealish but for a coach that espouses attacking football, Smith was kidding himself in the 5Live interview just now, mentioning the couple of chances we created in the game. We were comfortably the poorer team.
I'm surprised he doesn't catch more flak. He'll score a banger, earn a start and then completely disappear.
-
Quite an ungracious interview with DS on 5 Live just now. He suggested that it was an even game and that Fulham got lucky with the goals.
They were better all over the pitch.
It was an even game.
Apart from Fulham having more possession, shots, corners, and shots on target there wasn't a gnat's chuff between the 2 sides.
That’s the kind of bollocks that drives me nuts. And it’s why I wasn’t jumping up and down after Burnley. We still have so many fucking issues. The players obviously have to be good enough, but straight away Dean Smith goes back to a formation that simply hasn’t worked in a long time. We were completely outplayed today. We all saw it. And yet comes up with shit like this to essentially tell us we are all wrong. It’s no different to the rubbish Bruce spouted pretty much any time we lost.
-
Why do managers do this, it was one of the good things about Smith, I felt I had watched the same game as him.
But now he has reverted to the post match defend my corner. Surely he realizes it’s daft to do this.
Or is it just the pressure getting to him?
-
Not good enough by all concerned. The formation, the passion, the passing blah blah.
Not a whimper.
Will it be the same shite against Leicester?
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
That ran rings 'round us. I dream of us being that shit.
They're still selling tickets for big clashes against Hull and Boro, fill your boots.
Fulham were dreadful. We were dreadful. They managed to less dreadful in two moments, when afforded all the time.in the world.
-
Dean does have a tendency to spout some utter nonsense after we lose. We are far too frequently a team who look like they’ve never met, let alone been coached.
-
Think the point DS misses is that not all football supporters are thick or/and blind. I would have so much more respect for him if he just told the truth. Doubt many of our players even broke sweat.
On another note, I see Wolves are still putting out a strong side despite having played God knows how many matches already this season.
-
Do we really only have four quality players - McGinn, Grealish, Mings and Heaton.
I’d add Guilbert, Nakamba and Luiz albeit inconsistently. After that we have a lot of players who can play well but havent shown it consistently.
So basically we've got four quality players with the rest unreliable.
-
Maybe we’ve gone perma-shit like b-lose.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
That ran rings 'round us. I dream of us being that shit.
They're still selling tickets for big clashes against Hull and Boro, fill your boots.
Fulham were dreadful. We were dreadful. They managed to less dreadful in two moments, when afforded all the time.in the world.
You're just cold! I thought Fulham played very well in the second half. Although it must be said there was little in the way of opposition.
-
Fulham may have played like a team, a very shit one.
They kept possession and knocked it around without much pressure, see the amount of passes that led to their winner.
If Lansbury or Kodjia had an ounce of Knockaert's desire we might have had a chance. Hourihane did his usual invisible routine away from home.
We are so weak without Mings and Grealish but for a coach that espouses attacking football, Smith was kidding himself in the 5Live interview just now, mentioning the couple of chances we created in the game. We were comfortably the poorer team.
That's because we were dire. Our press was like a daddy long legs, a half hearted one.
Nakamba is a bit in and out, today he was incredibly bad. But the likes of Lansbury, Jota, Elmo, Kodjia are painfully mid table Championship, at best.
The system is so open, but when Hologram is out of B6 he becomes the ineffectual hologram. So many poor individual performances.
That said, I'm not overly bothered we've lost, just how crashingly shit every aspect of the game was. I refuse to talk up a shite Fulham who spent more time peppering the roof than the goal.
433, burn it with fire. And if anybody moans about Luiz, ever, watch that game again today and then post your apologies. I'm going get a sleeve tattoo, a shit hair ****** or a ****** beard and maybe I could pass for Lansbury or Jota. I can run harder and faster than those lace curtain wankers too.
-
I'm just glad I didn't go now. I feel for those that did.
-
Why do managers do this, it was one of the good things about Smith, I felt I had watched the same game as him.
But now he has reverted to the post match defend my corner. Surely he realizes it’s daft to do this.
Or is it just the pressure getting to him?
MON did it all the time with his "scintillating football". It helps get managers their next job as hiring chairman only watch MOTD and listen to the manager's comments.
-
When I was a kid my Dad always told me when Villa were knocked out of a cup competition that 'the team that beats the Villa wins the cup'
He's been wrong for about the last 25 years.
-
For me, Dean's comments summed up his attitude towards this game. He wasn't really arsed about it.
-
Sod ‘there’s always next year.’ There might not be. And there will always be some objective in the league which can be said to be more important. I want us to win this competition. Is there any club of comparable stature to ours that hasn’t for 63 bloody years?
-
When I was a kid my Dad always told me when Villa were knocked out of a cup competition that 'the team that beats the Villa wins the cup'
He's been wrong for about the last 25 years.
Arsenal Chelsea.
-
When I was a kid my Dad always told me when Villa were knocked out of a cup competition that 'the team that beats the Villa wins the cup'
He's been wrong for about the last 25 years.
Arsenal, 2015. Though I take your point.
-
Well the people that said it didn't matter got their way.What a waste of time , effort and money .
-
Sod ‘there’s always next year.’ There might not be. And there will always be some objective in the league which can be said to be more important. I want us to win this competition. Is there any club of comparable stature to ours that hasn’t for 63 bloody years?
Newcastle, 65 years. Stretching it, I know but there you go.
-
Bravo Ads, Lace curtain wankers sums them up perfectly.
-
That was absolute garbage! First half cancelled each other out and then it was up to who could be arsed to win the game. Not us clearly and can’t recall a tackle. Can’t stand losing but cannot tolerate absolute lack of effort....everywhere. X
-
As soon as you see Jota and Lansbury on the same teamsheet, you know the team is going to get bullied.
We have far too many mediocre players in the first-team squad!
Today was a chance for Smith to consolidate the 3-5-2 set-up and get the players more familiar with it (especially the keeper); and so he selects donkeys and plays them in the soft-centred 4-3-3 comfort blanket that he appears to have.
Not good enough ... not because we lost but because we went down without even a whimper.
-
I've seen better days.
-
And there are never any 50/50 challenges in our games, as soon as one of our players is involved it becomes 90/10 to the opposition. Fucking weak.
-
To be honest despite losing I'm not really bothered. The focus has to be on the Prem. Did someone say we go again :-)
-
I guess today shows how much rebuilding was needed in the summer. 10 new faces in and the squad is still poor for this level. Whatever league we are in come May another overhaul is needed.
-
'highlights' https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/50984929
-
I found it odd we didn't stick with our shape.
You cant play 433 with so little pace or presence in the front 3. Too many passengers and lightweights in the loosest of all presses.
-
I'd rather have had the moody bastard Bjarnsson than Lansbury on that showing.
-
We didn't care about this game and it showed.
Roll on Wednesday.
-
As soon as you see Jota and Lansbury on the same teamsheet, you know the team is going to get bullied.
We have far too many mediocre players in the first-team squad!
Today was a chance for Smith to consolidate the 3-5-2 set-up and get the players more familiar with it (especially the keeper); and so he selects donkeys and plays them in the soft-centred 4-3-3 comfort blanket that he appears to have.
Not good enough ... not because we lost but because we went down without even a whimper.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment about Lansbury and Jota. I don’t really agree about them being bullied.
What you do know is they are going to be outplayed, out worked and out ‘efforted’. You don’t need to bully them.
Lansbury in particular is just a total and utter waste of time.
-
Post-match on WM (https://audioboom.com/posts/7470145-listen-dean-smith-post-fulham)
-
I know no one made but a ticket, or train fare to Fulham, of course it’s my choice, but ducking hell that was dire. Why do I care, if it seems they don’t??? Only my self to blame & more important games, as I am sure some people will tell me. FFS
-
I had a post game Mocha too. I'm nearly as big a c*** as Lansbury. The games gone.
My son didn't wake up till 9:45 either. He is 4. This would have been my biggest lie in since April 2015. Unheard of to get to half 7, never mind 9:45. But I got up early to watch that shit instead. Fucking hell Villa.
-
Still annoys me when we go out.
I get angrier about it as I get older. I'm 40 this July and am starting to feel my age. My dad was 14 the last time we won the cup and he's 77 now.
-
4-5 of those could well be playing v Man. City.
Just shows what our level is without Grealish and Mings in the 11 and it ain't premier league.
Need two signings next week imo, DS already said he's confident a striker will be signed before Man. City so we'll see if it happens.
We've won a single 3rd round game since 2015 and that was a replay v Wycombe.
-
Absolute pile of fucking shit.
-
t least we can concentrate on the league
-
Still annoys me when we go out.
I get angrier about it as I get older. I'm 40 this July and am starting to feel my age. My dad was 14 the last time we won the cup and he's 77 now.
I'm a bit resigned that it won't happen while I'm alive too!
-
As soon as you see Jota and Lansbury on the same teamsheet, you know the team is going to get bullied.
We have far too many mediocre players in the first-team squad!
Today was a chance for Smith to consolidate the 3-5-2 set-up and get the players more familiar with it (especially the keeper); and so he selects donkeys and plays them in the soft-centred 4-3-3 comfort blanket that he appears to have.
Not good enough ... not because we lost but because we went down without even a whimper.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment about Lansbury and Jota. I don’t really agree about them being bullied.
What you do know is they are going to be outplayed, out worked and out ‘efforted’. You don’t need to bully them.
Lansbury in particular is just a total and utter waste of time.
"It's bullying, Jim; not as we know it" ;D
-
For me, still an element of negligence by Pitarch and Co for starting the season having recruited only one striker in the unproven Wesley. My gut feeling at the start, with only Davis (injury prone) and Kodjia as the strikers was the same as the Bruce defensive debacle in August 2018; too light in numbers and quality. We're now desperately scrambling around to try and bring another striker in.
-
Do we really only have four quality players - McGinn, Grealish, Mings and Heaton.
I’d add Guilbert, Nakamba and Luiz albeit inconsistently. After that we have a lot of players who can play well but havent shown it consistently.
So basically we've got four quality players with the rest unreliable.
That's exactly where we are
-
For a newly promoted team, that's not too surprising is it really, well the four quality players bit anyway.
-
Well another lovely day in West London with a crap football match added for extra flavour. There’s not much to say really other than meh and I don’t think Dean was that bothered judging by the bench and the level of effort displayed by the midfield and attack was pretty woeful. The 4-3-3 appeared again and I’ve come to the conclusion to make it work you need two really pacey, athletic and energetic wide men unfortunately we had El Khazi and Jota. Understandably we then looked shit against what was a pretty average Fulham team. I thought the defence looked ok with Chester the standout and Nyland had pretty much fuck all to do except pick the ball out of his net. I thought it was good of the midfield to let Nyland have some long range shooting practice.
-
I found it odd we didn't stick with our shape.
You cant play 433 with so little pace or presence in the front 3. Too many passengers and lightweights in the loosest of all presses.
I couldn’t understand why having stumbled upon a formation that worked at the weekend he immediately switched back to one that hasn’t been in a long time. It’s almost as if he was forced into the change at the weekend and was determined to stick a middle finger up to everyone this weekend going back to the one that shows us in our worst light.
-
General Haig strikes again.
-
For a newly promoted team, that's not too surprising is it really, well the four quality players bit anyway.
I see what you are saying Clampy but with the amount spent pre season you would have hoped for more ... the recruitment process certainly needs revamping .... who is selecting the players?? I was hoping that January would see some astute signings ... that may still happen but it would seem that the situation regarding injuries will dictate our planning
Two things do standout however ... poor attitude and physical conditioning which is a bad reflection on the coach/ manager and His coaching/fitness team
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
-
I found it odd we didn't stick with our shape.
You cant play 433 with so little pace or presence in the front 3. Too many passengers and lightweights in the loosest of all presses.
I couldn’t understand why having stumbled upon a formation that worked at the weekend he immediately switched back to one that hasn’t been in a long time. It’s almost as if he was forced into the change at the weekend and was determined to stick a middle finger up to everyone this weekend going back to the one that shows us in our worst light.
I guess his priority was picking as many fringe players as poss over retaining a system because he wanted to rest our "big guns".
-
I think there’s a lot of nonsense spouted about the fitness of the players, I think the sad fact is too many of them just aren’t good enough for this level. Jota, Lansbury and El Ghazi for starters.
-
For a newly promoted team, that's not too surprising is it really, well the four quality players bit anyway.
I see what you are saying Clampy but with the amount spent pre season you would have hoped for more ... the recruitment process certainly needs revamping .... who is selecting the players?? I was hoping that January would see some astute signings ... that may still happen but it would seem that the situation regarding injuries will dictate our planning
Two things do standout however ... poor attitude and physical conditioning which is a bad reflection on the coach/ manager and His coaching/fitness team
Out of the team that started, only 4 were bought in the summer and El Ghazi was here last term anyway.
-
Had it on the radio, sounded a lousy game. How did Nyland do? The goals sounded like there wasn't much he could do, so was his overall game decent?
He didn't have a lot to do except retrieve the ball from the net a couple of times. They were both excellent goals.
He did save a 1 on 1 in the second half that I thought was in until seeing it bounce off the front of the stand behind him. He had more to do than their goalie, though, which says a lot about our lack of teeth.
I thought we had a great chance with our free kick but nobody got to it.
Marvellous was putting himself about a bit to break them up in midfield which was good to see.
Kodjia was on his own a lot in the first half but then didn’t appear in time in the middle to meet some lovely crosses from the left, which was disappointing. I thought we played solidly in the first half and they didn’t look like getting through, but that the game was one paced.
It did get more exciting in the second half when we pushed more players up to join him, and the pace picked up along with the chances to score.
Unfortunately they took 2 of them and we just got the one.
Silver lining - no replay.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
I didn't mind losing but once again it was the manner in how we lost.
-
I think there’s a lot of nonsense spouted about the fitness of the players, I think the sad fact is too many of them just aren’t good enough for this level. Jota, Lansbury and El Ghazi for starters.
This. Oh, and just to add, that Steve Brice got panned for doing the same thing as Dean a couple of years ago. We are now a Premier Division team and there are no excuses to 'throw away' an opportunity to, for the first time since 1957, win the sodding cup! I know we want to stay up, but the players should not be given a message that this game doesn't really matter.
-
For a newly promoted team, that's not too surprising is it really, well the four quality players bit anyway.
I see what you are saying Clampy but with the amount spent pre season you would have hoped for more ... the recruitment process certainly needs revamping .... who is selecting the players?? I was hoping that January would see some astute signings ... that may still happen but it would seem that the situation regarding injuries will dictate our planning
Two things do standout however ... poor attitude and physical conditioning which is a bad reflection on the coach/ manager and His coaching/fitness team
Out of the team that started, only 4 were bought in the summer and El Ghazi was here last term anyway.
Maybe my post is not necessarily applicable to the post match thread however I stick by my opinions relating to the overall recruitment process which has found us wanting in numerous games this season .... application, attitude wise has been abject as have the levels of fitness
-
The perfect fixture to demonstrate how piss poor our squad is with literally no strength in depth. I said before the game that this team should have enough to turn over Fulham and I wouldn’t be disappointed with the result regardless of the outcome given our current circumstances with injuries...unfortunately only the second half of that statement has proved to be correct. Our squad is still bloated with players not good enough to wear the shirt.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
I didn't mind losing but once again it was the manner in how we lost.
When you tell your players that a competition is not a priority, it's not going to be pretty.
It was little more than a fitness exercise.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
I didn't mind losing but once again it was the manner in how we lost.
There was a clear message to the players to get through the game and not get injured. We played just that way. I think we will play a strong side at Leicester now and obviously the weekend possibly with a new player on board. I hate it too. We waved the white flag early on and the manager won’t have any regrets about it. But tell that to the thousands who traveled down there today.
-
The perfect fixture to demonstrate how piss poor our squad is with literally no strength in depth. I said before the game that this team should have enough to turn over Fulham and I wouldn’t be disappointed with the result regardless of the outcome given our current circumstances with injuries...unfortunately only the second half of that statement has proved to be correct. Our squad is still bloated with players not good enough to wear the shirt.
The most concerning thing was the worst performers in each line were the ones closest the first team, Engels, Nakamba and AEG. Nakamba was utterly dreadful as holding midfielder.
The likes of Taylor, Lansbury, Jota and Kodjia would struggle to get into a decent championship team so I think expectations were a bit too high for a performance today. Particularly with Smith's returning to a 433.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
I didn't mind losing but once again it was the manner in how we lost.
There was a clear message to the players to get through the game and not get injured. We played just that way. I think we will play a strong side at Leicester now and obviously the weekend possibly with a new player on board. I hate it too. We waved the white flag early on and the manager won’t have any regrets about it. But tell that to the thousands who traveled down there today.
I feel sorry for the younger fans. Not so much for adults.
Today was very predictable but completely understandable.
-
I think there’s a lot of nonsense spouted about the fitness of the players, I think the sad fact is too many of them just aren’t good enough for this level. Jota, Lansbury and El Ghazi for starters.
Jota's not even a Championship standard player. Couldn't get into a shit Blues side, and it's bloody obvious why.
-
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.
I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
-
Firstly what bothers me is the fact of just how paper thin the whole squad is, you take 3 players out of the lot, Grealish, Mings and Heaton and you really are left with naff all that would struggle to survive in the Championship let alone the Premiership and we spent how much!!!, not that bothered about today, wasn't that bothered about the early rounds of the League cup but we are there now in the semi final, we need to do everything possible to get to the final, we are within spitting distance of that, we then need to get this transfer market sorted quickly to get some quality in, I don't agree with the fact there is no danger of losing Grealish until the summer, I think Jack is classic mid season transfer stuff at this point in his career and he's bang in form so we must prepare for what might be.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
Tut tut.
Winning the Cup would mean far, far more.
-
BLACK REALITY: Villa lost! Sack the Board!
No more Ms Nice. I’ve had my cup of tea and a biscuit. I want to protest.
We are Premier League. Fulham...aren’t.
How come the most challenging player I saw this afternoon was no.24 in a Fulham shirt?
I was stunned by a fantastic goal in front of me, and it was theirs.
In fairness, I saw lots of Villa players playing well. 1 of them scored. I saw them caring enough to intercept and chase down a ball and go in for a tackle and there were only two who looked as if they couldn’t be bothered.
I really hope they don’t play for us again.
But you, our owners and CEO have got to shoulder some responsibility and sort this out. Give DS the resources to fight back and for Aston Villa to survive. UTV!
-
It's the throwaway nature of our insipid performance that pisses me off.
It's an insult to our great historic teams.
And a great hole in my wallet.
-
I can't say that I'm too bothered.
Staying up is everything.
I’d rather win one of the cups tbh
1 down 1 to go
Hope we give it everything Wednesday
-
Stay up and win a cup. Lovely.
-
Didn’t go to the game, listened to the radio, so observations limited by that.
The saddest thing is as much as I love the cup, today almost felt inevitable and I also half didn’t care 😒
In terms of the team and formation, Smith going back to his favoured failing formation today is one thing, if he does it again against Leicester then Man City, it almost smells of player power forcing his hand against Burnley post the player/coach mtg after the Watford game. Also with Leicester in mind, although the second string got us through the other rounds surely he has to play his strongest team Wednesday despite the league being the priority??
I tend to agree with the comments about Jota in terms of having a good touch and a bit of vision, but he just is just too slow and weak to play as a winger. I thought Lansbury was average against both Wolves and Liverpool kids and is obviously not good enough/doesn’t give a shit and should be no where near the side.
I’ve been a bit critical of Luiz earlier in season, not in terms of his talent but because he seems a bit lightweight, but he’s light years ahead of lansbury.
Even if the fa cup is our lowest priority, the fact that most of these lot couldn’t muster any sort of performance against a championship team, means most of them shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.
-
I'm light years ahead of Lansbury and I'm nearly 50, fat, ugly, bald, crap at football and have failing eyesight.
-
I'm light years ahead of Lansbury and I'm nearly 50, fat, ugly, bald, crap at football and have failing eyesight.
Welcome to the site Mr McCormack.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
He's a top notch light entertainer, his professional footballer impersonation needs work mind.
-
I'm light years ahead of Lansbury and I'm nearly 50, fat, ugly, bald, crap at football and have failing eyesight.
Sent you a PM. xxxxxxxxxxxx
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
Failing to make Legion look bad apparently.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
He only really came to life when he squared up to one of their players near the end.
The players and the management just gave a huge shrug to the competition and to all of us who went today. The lack of urgency and effort was really noticeable.
As usual, after the break, the opponents picked up the pace whilst we didn't. Admittedly they scored two very good goals, but the first was after we turned attack into their attack and we showed Knockaert onto his favoured foot. Sometimes, I wonder if there is much analysis of opponents' individual strengths and weaknesses.
-
hopefully one day we'll make an effort to win the FA cup again. Disappointed.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
I think he’s taken over Micah Richards then Mark Bunn’s role of being ‘great in the dressing room’, which is basically earning a small fortune for lolz and bantz. Get rid.
-
If chucking this one helps in some way to keep us up then okay. If we go down anyway I'll be too gutted to give a shit.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
He only really came to life when he squared up to one of their players near the end.
The players and the management just gave a huge shrug to the competition and to all of us who went today. The lack of urgency and effort was really noticeable.
As usual, after the break, the opponents picked up the pace whilst we didn't. Admittedly they scored two very good goals, but the first was after we turned attack into their attack and we showed Knockaert onto his favoured foot. Sometimes, I wonder if there is much analysis of opponents' individual strengths and weaknesses.
Good point. Showing Knockaert on to his left foot was numbnuttery of the highest order. Same for the Harry Arta goal. He even said after the game "i had so much room so i just went for it." Is it bad coaching or do we just have players who are stupid and/or naive?
-
the players that were picked for the weakened side knew it was the weakened side,
looked like they were pissed off being picked for the weakened side because they mistakenly thought they were better than that, and mistakenly thought they should be playing for the strong side
therefore didn’t really show any care or enthusiasm at playing in the weakened side
and collectively went out and played like a bunch of smacked arses
Wankers
-
..and those clappers are not only annoying, but how do clubs justify all that cardboard and waste!? Producing thousands for each match, most of which just get left or thrown away. We've got the founders of this dreadful eco-unfriendly practice next - Leicester.
-
I suppose today’s game shows how much we depend on Jack.
-
the players that were picked for the weakened side knew it was the weakened side,
looked like they were pissed off being picked for the weakened side because they mistakenly thought they were better than that, and mistakenly thought they should be playing for the strong side
therefore didn’t really show any care or enthusiasm at playing in the weakened side
and collectively went out and played like a bunch of smacked arses
Wankers
Rings true to me.
-
I suppose today’s game shows how much we depend on Jack.
Which in itself is a bit scary ......and extremely short sighted on behalf of the manager and owners .....you only have to look at Sheffield UTD to see what building a team with a strong work ethic can bring ....lose Jack and we are screwed ...shambolic really
-
the players that were picked for the weakened side knew it was the weakened side,
looked like they were pissed off being picked for the weakened side because they mistakenly thought they were better than that, and mistakenly thought they should be playing for the strong side
Yes what a great attitude 🤔
therefore didn’t really show any care or enthusiasm at playing in the weakened side
and collectively went out and played like a bunch of smacked arses
Wankers
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
He only really came to life when he squared up to one of their players near the end.
The players and the management just gave a huge shrug to the competition and to all of us who went today. The lack of urgency and effort was really noticeable.
As usual, after the break, the opponents picked up the pace whilst we didn't. Admittedly they scored two very good goals, but the first was after we turned attack into their attack and we showed Knockaert onto his favoured foot. Sometimes, I wonder if there is much analysis of opponents' individual strengths and weaknesses.
Good point. Showing Knockaert on to his left foot was numbnuttery of the highest order. Same for the Harry Arta goal. He even said after the game "i had so much room so i just went for it." Is it bad coaching or do we just have players who are stupid and/or naive?
Players who couldn't give a shit......several stealing a living.
-
Letting Knockaert onto his left foot was naivety in the extreme but this kind of thing has been happening throughout the season.
Leaving Ruben Neves free on the edge of our box, putting no pressure on to crosses into our box against Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea, playing high lines against Vardy and then Ings.
I know that fault could be found with pretty much every goal that has ever been conceeded in the history of football but some of the ones we have let in this season smack of minimal preperation.
-
I still don't know what Lansbury is supposed to be good at.
I think he’s taken over Micah Richards then Mark Bunn’s role of being ‘great in the dressing room’, which is basically earning a small fortune for lolz and bantz. Get rid.
Bunny didn't even charge much.
-
Got tickets in the Fulham end and strangely being unable to show any emotion or feeling allows a certain degree of objectivity which I don't usually go for.....
However without Grealish, Mings and SJM there is nothing else there.
We were ponderous and disjointed. Fulham though not great at least looked like they had met before the game, had some coherence and flow to what they did.
Swap El Ghazi for Knockaert maybe. He was the best player on the pitch by some distance. The only one that looked Premier League quality.
Can I say finally that Hourihane I thought was shockingly poor. Weak doesn't even cover it.
-
Got tickets in the Fulham end and strangely being unable to show any emotion or feeling allows a certain degree of objectivity which I don't usually go for.....
However without Grealish, Mings and SJM there is nothing else there.
We were ponderous and disjointed. Fulham though not great at least looked like they had met before the game, had some coherence and flow to what they did.
Swap El Ghazi for Knockaert maybe. He was the best player on the pitch by some distance. The only one that looked Premier League quality.
Can I say finally that Hourihane I thought was shockingly poor. Weak doesn't even cover it.
In addition got smacked in the face by a woman in front of me when Fulham missed a chance in the second half by one of their cardboard clappers.
Happy days!
-
the players that were picked for the weakened side knew it was the weakened side,
looked like they were pissed off being picked for the weakened side because they mistakenly thought they were better than that, and mistakenly thought they should be playing for the strong side
therefore didn’t really show any care or enthusiasm at playing in the weakened side
and collectively went out and played like a bunch of smacked arses
Wankers
Good post.
Utter wankers.
-
we’ve had a night to get over it now, the more you think about it the more pathetic it was
absolute joke, some of those players just don’t give a fuck do they or they really are piss poor
one thing the last few games have showed us is that without the handful of quality players we have the rest are rubbish and don’t make up for their rubbishness by trying very hard which is as disappointing as your going to get
I’m still pretty down about going out of the FA cup again,
the fact we won’t be in the hat pisses me off more than I wish it did
the worse feeling is you know that’s not reciprocated over at B6
-
Will not bother again with 3rd of the cup. Yesterday was a travesty to this once great competition. Our club and players collectively didn't bother to turn up. Playing at half pace for 90 mins was pathetic.
-
Terrible game.
Terrible ground.
Terrible atmosphere.
Terrible performance.
Terrible opposition.
Terrible builders.
Terrible Taylor.
Terrible Engels.
Terrible Hourihane.
Terrible Lansbury.
Terrible Nakamba.
Terrible El Ghazi.
Terrible Jota.
Terrible open system.
Terrible lack of pace.
Terrible lack structure.
Terrible lack of quality.
Terrible lack of synonyms.
And now my hand is cold. Oh well, at least we didn't draw.
But apart from all that - a good day out, no?!
-
I suppose today’s game shows how much we depend on Jack.
And Mings......SJM......Heaton..... ::)
-
Similarly highlights that Guilbert is our only player with genuine pace outside of Mings.
-
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.
I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.
-
I thought DS in his post-match comments seemed not too bothered with the teams performance yesterday. I thought he'd be really angry with such an inept showing. The team massively let down 3,500 travelling supporters. Too many players don't give a toss.
-
Deleted
-
Similarly highlights that Guilbert is our only player with genuine pace outside of Mings.
Would add Grealish to that list, he’s quick. Certainly skinned Burnley’s right back the other day. Guess he has so many other qualities pace goes unnoticed.
-
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.
I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.
It was a very lazy signing from Smith. He obviously rated him from his Brentford days but the step up at Jota's age was always going to be a struggle. Has absolutely no chance of making it on the right wing.
-
I do like Jota but he's definitely not a wide player. I wonder if he was bought in as back up to Grealish?
-
Did anyone else think the ref was a bit naff yesterday? The two bookings for Nakamba and Taylor were unnecessary.
-
I do like Jota but he's definitely not a wide player. I wonder if he was bought in as back up to Grealish?
Maybe, but he's as far removed from Grealish's ability as it's possible to be. He's like a pound shop Carles Gil.
-
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.
I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.
It was a very lazy signing from Smith. He obviously rated him from his Brentford days but the step up at Jota's age was always going to be a struggle. Has absolutely no chance of making it on the right wing.
One in the eye for those who say people get more right wing as they get older.
-
I'm so desperate for us to win the FA cup, especially after out last two horror shows in the final. It's the competition I want Villa to win more than anything. But I'm struggling to remember a time when we have had such a bad run of injuries to our first team. Or maybe the injuries just highlight how weak our squad is, so maybe the team that was sent out yesterday was under instructions to go through the motions and try not to pick up any more injuries (trying to be generous here), especially with the tough games that we have coming up. I'm willing to accept yesterday's result when considering the bigger picture of remaining in the Premier League and the League Cup semi-final, but what is very disappointing is reverting back to 43. Not our finest hour.
-
All those criticising the selection yesterday would have been similarly annoyed had we gone full strength and Grealish, for instance, had picked up a long term injury. Smith’s job is also about squad management and priorities and given events at Burnley his hand was forced. For the long term prospects of the club the league has to come first.
-
True point.
-
Since we first played in the FA Cup in 1879 our record is now
First 41 years 6 times we've won the Cup last 100 years once.
As Sven would say 'first 41 years good last 100 years not so good'
-
I think Jota has some value, and clearly has some talent on the ball, but he can't deliver in the formation we play or in the position he's being asked to play. Last season, when we were having more of the ball and the challenge was breaking down a team in the final third, he's exactly the sort of player you could look to bring off the bench, and with a decent bit of possession in the final third he is likely to spot a pass and create something. But the simple fact is, the way we're playing this season, he simply doesn't add anything. He's not quick enough to play as one of the front three in a 4-3-3 and not mobile enough to play in the middle three when we spend most of our time defending.
I can see why we brought him in, but given how the season has panned out, I'm not sure he should be near the 11. It's not his fault, he was bought to play a role we thought we'd need but ultimately don't at the moment.
The more I think about the more I believe the Jota deal for Gardner was done when we believed we’d still be in the Championship this year.
It was a very lazy signing from Smith. He obviously rated him from his Brentford days but the step up at Jota's age was always going to be a struggle. Has absolutely no chance of making it on the right wing.
One in the eye for those who say people get more right wing as they get older.
👏 👏 👏
-
All those criticising the selection yesterday would have been similarly annoyed had we gone full strength and Grealish, for instance, had picked up a long term injury. Smith’s job is also about squad management and priorities and given events at Burnley his hand was forced. For the long term prospects of the club the league has to come first.
no problem with the team selection
but the team didn’t want to be there they didn’t care didn’t even bother trying
the performance was shit and that’s the players fault and a Smiths
they should have been made to walk home
-
Since we first played in the FA Cup in 1879 our record is now
First 41 years 6 times we've won the Cup last 100 years once.
As Sven would say 'first 41 years good last 100 years not so good'
I know people rant about us not doing much about it in the modern age which is true given all the 3rd/4th round knock outs since 2000 but we've still made the final twice in that time.
To not make one final from the 60s right up to 2000 is very poor considering we did have the teams back given they won in europe and the league.
That's the period to look back on and wonder why we didn't do more in the competition considering likes of Watford, Coventry and West Ham were either making the final or actually winning the competition.
Actually just watched most of the 86 cup final between Liverpool and Everton on the red button. A completely different era where backpasses could be picked up and hardly a yellow card or substitution but I thought the standard was pretty mediocre, endless long balls pumped up from both teams and poor passing.
-
Terrible game.
Terrible ground.
Terrible atmosphere.
Terrible performance.
Terrible opposition.
Terrible builders.
Terrible Taylor.
Terrible Engels.
Terrible Hourihane.
Terrible Lansbury.
Terrible Nakamba.
Terrible El Ghazi.
Terrible Jota.
Terrible open system.
Terrible lack of pace.
Terrible lack structure.
Terrible lack of quality.
Terrible lack of synonyms.
And now my hand is cold. Oh well, at least we didn't draw.
But apart from all that - a good day out, no?!
Lets put it this way, he's not a happy bunny.
-
I'm light years ahead of Lansbury and I'm nearly 50, fat, ugly, bald, crap at football and have failing eyesight.
Come of it, you're being way to hard on yourself, with those credentials you'd walk into this Villa side, get your boots.
-
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws.
77 Man Utd (A) Round 6
78 Everton (A) 3
79 Forest (A) 3
80 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in
81 Ipswich (A) 3
82 Spurs (A) 5
83 Arsenal (A) 6
84 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3
85 Liverpool (A) 3
-
All those criticising the selection yesterday would have been similarly annoyed had we gone full strength and Grealish, for instance, had picked up a long term injury. Smith’s job is also about squad management and priorities and given events at Burnley his hand was forced. For the long term prospects of the club the league has to come first.
no problem with the team selection
but the team didn’t want to be there they didn’t care didn’t even bother trying
the performance was shit and that’s the players fault and a Smiths
they should have been made to walk home
That's the biggest disappointment for me, the fringe players not stepping up.
-
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws.
77 Man Utd (A) Round 6
78 Everton (A) 3
79 Forest (A) 3
80 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in
81 Ipswich (A) 3
82 Spurs (A) 5
83 Arsenal (A) 6
84 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3
85 Liverpool (A) 3
1980 and 1992 were missed opportunities, as were the two finals we qualified for but didn't turn up for.
-
In '92 I think we were in the middle of our six game scoreless drought when Liverpool beat us 1-0. A pity as we took four points off them that season in the league and only finished just below them in the table.
-
1 goal in 11 league games, 5 goaless games either side of a 1-0 home win over Oldham.
-
Even Lambert and Garde couldn't manage that.
-
1 goal in 11 league games, 5 goaless games either side of a 1-0 home win over Oldham.
Was it the Norwich home game that broke the duck? Quickly followed by stuffing Spurs 5-2.
-
The games either side of the 11 game run were against Norwich, we scored 1 in both the Norwich games. So we went to WHL having scored 3 in 11 and then rattled 5 in.
-
The thing I remember most about the 2015 FAC campaign was the fact that the semi final was about as good as a football match gets, whereas the final was about as bad as it gets.
-
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws.
77 Man Utd (A) Round 6
78 Everton (A) 3
79 Forest (A) 3
80 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in
81 Ipswich (A) 3
82 Spurs (A) 5
83 Arsenal (A) 6
84 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3
85 Liverpool (A) 3
1980 and 1992 were missed opportunities, as were the two finals we qualified for but didn't turn up for.
I've only just recovered from Oldham in 1990.
-
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws.
77 Man Utd (A) Round 6
78 Everton (A) 3
79 Forest (A) 3
80 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in
81 Ipswich (A) 3
82 Spurs (A) 5
83 Arsenal (A) 6
84 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3
85 Liverpool (A) 3
1980 and 1992 were missed opportunities, as were the two finals we qualified for but didn't turn up for.
I've only just recovered from Oldham in 1990.
Cold, so cold...
-
In fairness when we had a decent team 77-85 we had some horrible draws.
77 Man Utd (A) Round 6
78 Everton (A) 3
79 Forest (A) 3
80 West Ham (A) 6, when Ken decided to wave to someone in the crowd in the last minute as West Ham slung a cross in
81 Ipswich (A) 3
82 Spurs (A) 5
83 Arsenal (A) 6
84 the one poor one, losing a replay away to Norwich in round 3
85 Liverpool (A) 3
1980 and 1992 were missed opportunities, as were the two finals we qualified for but didn't turn up for.
I've only just recovered from Oldham in 1990.
Cold, so cold...
Without you to hold
This Christmas
-
I suppose today’s game shows how much we depend on Jack.
And Mings......SJM......Heaton..... ::)
Yes, the team really was ‘spineless’ yesterday.
I thought most of them did their best, but were up against it and still expect some excellent incomers, even as superloans, this January, to replace the leadership, competence and flair that injury has taken out of the squad.
-
Sounds like they’re not a fair reflection of the game but we didn’t look too bad on the highlights and created enough good chances to put the game to bed in the first half...but failed miserably to convert any (including AEG inexcusably guilty of missing a complete sitter with just the keeper to beat). Their 2 goals in the second half were quality strikes and Nyland stood no chance keeping either out. There can be no excuses though... there simply isn’t enough quality strength in depth at the moment.
-
For me if our "SQUAD" players are not good enough to beat a championship side, then why are they still at our football club?, because we cannot rely on any of them to step up into the first team, against the best of the premier league and do a job.
Maybe before next season, if we are still in the premier league, the club should tell us which games they are prioritising so I can choose whether to attend or not.
-
For me if our "SQUAD" players are not good enough to beat a championship side, then why are they still at our football club?, because we cannot rely on any of them to step up into the first team, against the best of the premier league and do a job.
Maybe before next season, if we are still in the premier league, the club should tell us which games they are prioritising so I can choose whether to attend or not.
Maybe because we have just been promoted?
We already made massive changes, was it 10 out and in last summer? I’m sure for us to have completely changed every single player within the squad that might not of been able to make the step up, we’d have been looking at moving on near on 15 players!
-
This will probably not go down well, but for this season only, I’m kind of glad we went out. LC is our chance for a trip to Wembley and focus on PL survival.
-
I'm sorry to say I feel exactly the same way.
-
Robby I totally agree, we haven't got the strength of squad to compete on three fronts. We already have some long term injuries to key players we can't jeopardise the remaining squad by playing excessive matches. I'm afraid that this year is the year to establish ourselves or just survive in this division. We have an opportunity to get to Wembley but I would even for go that occasion to remain in the Premier League. These views maybe unpopular but let's stay up and win the cups next year
-
My calculations are that we lost 25 contracted players over the summer -quite a lot to replace with the FFP restrictions!
That's why we're still stuck with some of the mediocre players we would prefer to be rid of.