Quote from: Newby on December 04, 2019, 10:08:07 PMQuote from: villabear on December 04, 2019, 10:04:16 PMQuote from: MalcolmP on December 04, 2019, 09:52:08 PMQuote from: Newby on December 04, 2019, 09:34:40 PMNewly promoted side against a well stacked outfit. We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho. That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals. Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield. We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides. Wesley? I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him? No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless. 2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3. At last some sense about Wesley - Messi could do no more with high balls up to him with no support and surrounded by 3 defenders. All the Wesley haters just stop making him a scapegoat..Mings and Mcginn both need dropping and is Targett really any better than Taylior? Don't agree on Wesley. I don’t expect him to do miracles but I do expect him to hold the ball up occasionally and take a bit of pressure of us as surely that’s why he’s there. Does he look a goal threat, no and McGinn needs dropping eh 🙄Mate, seriously, if you have ever played centre forward and all you get is the ball whacked up to you, high in the air and you are on your own, I defy anyone to do any better. Yes, I want him to push people over and compete, show more bollocks, but the way we play, does him no favours either. He does need more physicality but he is NOT totally at fault.But we don't just whack the ball up to him. Okay tonight we were limited but we haven't played like that every game.
Quote from: villabear on December 04, 2019, 10:04:16 PMQuote from: MalcolmP on December 04, 2019, 09:52:08 PMQuote from: Newby on December 04, 2019, 09:34:40 PMNewly promoted side against a well stacked outfit. We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho. That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals. Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield. We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides. Wesley? I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him? No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless. 2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3. At last some sense about Wesley - Messi could do no more with high balls up to him with no support and surrounded by 3 defenders. All the Wesley haters just stop making him a scapegoat..Mings and Mcginn both need dropping and is Targett really any better than Taylior? Don't agree on Wesley. I don’t expect him to do miracles but I do expect him to hold the ball up occasionally and take a bit of pressure of us as surely that’s why he’s there. Does he look a goal threat, no and McGinn needs dropping eh 🙄Mate, seriously, if you have ever played centre forward and all you get is the ball whacked up to you, high in the air and you are on your own, I defy anyone to do any better. Yes, I want him to push people over and compete, show more bollocks, but the way we play, does him no favours either. He does need more physicality but he is NOT totally at fault.
Quote from: MalcolmP on December 04, 2019, 09:52:08 PMQuote from: Newby on December 04, 2019, 09:34:40 PMNewly promoted side against a well stacked outfit. We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho. That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals. Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield. We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides. Wesley? I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him? No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless. 2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3. At last some sense about Wesley - Messi could do no more with high balls up to him with no support and surrounded by 3 defenders. All the Wesley haters just stop making him a scapegoat..Mings and Mcginn both need dropping and is Targett really any better than Taylior? Don't agree on Wesley. I don’t expect him to do miracles but I do expect him to hold the ball up occasionally and take a bit of pressure of us as surely that’s why he’s there. Does he look a goal threat, no and McGinn needs dropping eh 🙄
Quote from: Newby on December 04, 2019, 09:34:40 PMNewly promoted side against a well stacked outfit. We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho. That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals. Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield. We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides. Wesley? I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him? No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless. 2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3. At last some sense about Wesley - Messi could do no more with high balls up to him with no support and surrounded by 3 defenders. All the Wesley haters just stop making him a scapegoat..Mings and Mcginn both need dropping and is Targett really any better than Taylior?
Newly promoted side against a well stacked outfit. We bring on Jota, they bring on Jorginho. That said, I thought we were our own worst enemy. Terrible defending for the goals. Mings and Konsa had a night off, timid all over the pitch, stood off in midfield. We don't quite have enough class yet to compete with these sides. Wesley? I'm not sure what people are expecting when there are two players on him and no Villa player around him? No-one else was any better, or worse than him. They won all the second balls and we looked tired and punchless. 2-1 flatters us. Poor performance and now only 1 point outside the bottom 3.
Quote from: Villafirst on December 04, 2019, 10:32:11 PMIt shouldn't be overlooked that apart from Newcastle, we've had an incredibly difficult run of games, including - Man City, Liverpool, Wolves, Man Utd and Chelsea. And we've got Leicester next who are flying. Even Sheffield United away will be tough.For me, the Christmas games against Southampton, Norwich, Watford and Burnley will be the most crucial as to our direction going into the New Year.I agree with that.
It shouldn't be overlooked that apart from Newcastle, we've had an incredibly difficult run of games, including - Man City, Liverpool, Wolves, Man Utd and Chelsea. And we've got Leicester next who are flying. Even Sheffield United away will be tough.For me, the Christmas games against Southampton, Norwich, Watford and Burnley will be the most crucial as to our direction going into the New Year.
Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 04, 2019, 09:42:02 PMThere was only one decent team on that pitch. We came to play Not sure about that
There was only one decent team on that pitch. We came to play
Think Dean Smith and the coaching staff got it wrong tonight. We were far too open in midfield at times tonight and in games like that away from home, we need to go with Luiz and Nakamba. Hourihane is far too lightweight to compete against those type of sides and they just strolled past him at will.We may be able to play with just the one holding midfielder against the poorer sides in the league, but we need to be a lot stronger in there when we come up against the better sides.
Think Dean Smith and the coaching staff got it wrong tonight. We were far too open in midfield at times tonight and in games like that away from home, we need to go with Luiz and Nakamba. Hourihane is far too lightweight to compete against those type of sides and they just strolled past him at will.
Quote from: Vegas on December 04, 2019, 09:45:06 PMQuote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 04, 2019, 09:42:02 PMThere was only one decent team on that pitch. We came to play Not sure about thatThe first part is an exaggeration, sure. Particularly when you remove the rest of the original post which offers my reasons for saying this. But the second part stands. We came to play. They were cynical and full of niggle.
Best Villa performance I’ve seen this season and I’ve seen us beat Everton and Newcastle. Chelsea were very good tonight. Tammy and Kante make a huge difference for them and they played some fantastic football.Somehow we stayed in the game and were very competitive. I’m not Wesley’s biggest fan but I thought he did well tonight. Connor was our only obvious weak point.Play like that and we’ll be fine!And sitting amongst the Tarquins I was very proud of our support tonight. Well done all 👍👍👏👏👏