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Author Topic: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation and usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 322247 times)

Offline hilts_coolerking

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #255 on: December 04, 2019, 10:43:43 AM »
Loans are shit.

Mings
Tuanzebe
Abraham
El Ghazi

What a collective waste of time that was eh?
Yes they are because we trained two  of them and now they are benefitting our rivals and the other two cost a fair few bobs after being given game time by us. I don't like loans.

But they all played a massive part in getting us promoted, so they were very effective.

Exactly.  We were rightly more concerned with promotion than whether we would improve another club's players.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #256 on: December 04, 2019, 10:48:05 AM »
We improved players from our 'rivals' (except they weren't rivals then, and still wouldn't be without the plasyers in question). They in turn improved our whole club. Who's the loser?

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #257 on: December 04, 2019, 11:16:30 AM »
I agree I'd rather not have to loan players but it worked brilliantly for us last season and without them we'd be in the Championship.

If we can get a player that improves the squad, with a view to a permanent deal, then loans are a good idea.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #258 on: December 04, 2019, 11:26:42 AM »
I can't believe there's 2 ot 3 pages of debate on this.

We're very light up front and will probably be in a relegation battle.  If Wesley get's injured, we're fucked.

Assuming there's no obvious target to purchase or we can't get the deal done, then as an alternative do you want to:

A. Loan a player to boost your squad and hopefully improve your chances of staying up (even if there's no buy clause)
B. Not loan a player and continue with a depleted squad - I don't like loans and enjoyed the Championship anyway.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #259 on: December 04, 2019, 01:27:59 PM »
We improved players from our 'rivals' (except they weren't rivals then, and still wouldn't be without the plasyers in question). They in turn improved our whole club. Who's the loser?

No one, and I don't think anyone has claimed differently. However the circumstances going into the next window are very different and therefore a very different approach is needed.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #260 on: December 04, 2019, 01:29:52 PM »
If it is the difference between staying up and relegation, I would hope that we will loan whomever we need after we have tried to buy our first choices.

DS and Bruce are two different animals. With Dean, the loans would augment a stable squad. With Bruce they were the nucleus of the squad and at the end of every season they left ripping the heart out of our team.

The player 'value' that is oft spoken about by Purslow is far outweighed by the financial rewards of staying in the Premier League and the owners will be acutely aware of this.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #261 on: December 04, 2019, 01:48:11 PM »
I can't believe there's 2 ot 3 pages of debate on this.

We're very light up front and will probably be in a relegation battle.  If Wesley get's injured, we're fucked.

Assuming there's no obvious target to purchase or we can't get the deal done, then as an alternative do you want to:

A. Loan a player to boost your squad and hopefully improve your chances of staying up (even if there's no buy clause)
B. Not loan a player and continue with a depleted squad - I don't like loans and enjoyed the Championship anyway.

Literally no one is disagreeing with that but the assumption you've added there is fucking huge and deeply flawed. Get in a loan striker if there's no obvious target but what if there's no obvious loan target either (which has been my point all along)?

A gamble signing, or loan with a fee, would in the majority of cases be better than a gamble loan. If our only other option is big fees for players that we don't believe are good enough (as was apparently the case in the summer) then fine a loan with no future agreement in place becomes sensible, but that only happens in the last few days of the window and absolutely can't involve any agreement to ensure game time.

Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #262 on: December 04, 2019, 02:01:52 PM »
You may be right, there may not be any suitable loan candidates, but the discussion over the last few pages has been more about the principle of loans, not specificic identified targets.

My post was aimed at the likes of Olaftab and others who have stated they don't like loans full stop.


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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #263 on: December 04, 2019, 09:51:58 PM »
Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.
It's definitely going to be a big problem if Wesley's goals dry up.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #264 on: December 04, 2019, 10:11:46 PM »
We look like most promoted sides in December do: running on empty and waiting for reinforcements. We're actually doing well in terms of injuries, but because goals don't come so easily, we're working very hard to score and convert those goals into points. We might not need loads of players but if we don't get one or two up top we'll be heading south.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #265 on: December 04, 2019, 10:12:20 PM »
Aside from that I honestly don't believe that signing someone like, to stick with an existing example, Brewster is going to be the difference between staying up or not. I guess the problem is that I'm not convinced that the need for another striker is as desperate as some of you think.
It's definitely going to be a big problem if Wesley's goals dry up.

Ha ha, If his goals dry up, quality!!!

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #266 on: December 04, 2019, 10:14:24 PM »
If a top player became available but only on loan fuck it letís get him in. Because this high moral ground bollocks could get us relegated. This season of all seasons we simply must do everything possible to keep our place in this division.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #267 on: December 04, 2019, 10:17:36 PM »
If a top player became available but only on loan fuck it letís get him in. Because this high moral ground bollocks could get us relegated. This season of all seasons we simply must do everything possible to keep our place in this division.

Spot on

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #268 on: December 04, 2019, 10:26:58 PM »
We will.

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Re: Winter transfer, gossip, speculation thread
« Reply #269 on: December 04, 2019, 10:40:02 PM »
We need an alternative up front to be less reliant give us more options and Wesley a rest but weíre not exactly struggling for goals, only 6 teams have scored more.

 


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