Aston Villa v Liverpool Post Match Thread

[olaftab]

I did really enjoy the game yesterday although (apologies if mentioned in a previous post) I did get wound up with the inconsistency from the referee. Mane commits 4 fouls two of which are bookable imho, then does get booked for try to con a penalty. SJM commits one foul and is booked immediately. Mane then proceeds to assist and score and it is these kind of margins that are going against us.

This did boil my piss. He should have been booked for a deliberate cynical trip just before we scored and then again for the foul that led to our goal. Moss inexplicably  let him off on those two occasions but if had taken the correct action he was off for his attempted cheat. A disgraceful refereeing performance.

[ChicagoLion]

Moss actually got his card out and then put it back in his pocket.

[purpletrousers]

I think it’s a fair point we’ve probably all (somewhat painfully sometimes) done it. I guess the difference is people perhaps not realising it’s done. Wearing colours or celebrating obviously is presumably where the line is crossed.

[fredm]

The more I see the winning goal then the more I think JK completely bottled the challenge. what a half-hearted attempt at winning the ball, their player just wanted it more.

I agree. His job was simply to stand around six yard box and clear the ball if it came in that low. It did and wasn't cleared. Disappointing.

When I played we were always told to have a big man (usually the centre forward (Kodjia) standing on the 6 yard side line which then cuts off any near post headers and means the ball has to be hit higher into the centre of the goal.  This automatically brings the keeper into play as he can then catch/punch the ball away above the forwards.
Also if you have a defender stood on the far post he can cover quite a chunk of the goal line if the keeper leaves it.  If either of these situations had occurred yesterday the winning goal would in all probability not occurred.

[Nastylee]

Thing is, when Mane makes contact the ball is barely above waist height. JK turns his back at it when he should have been piling in to make sure that ball went out. Instead he just sticks his bum out. Where was the 'over my dead body' attitude with 60 seconds left? It wasn't even a great cross. Could've easily been avoided and we'd be happy with a point and a good performance. Instead it piles the pressure on to the next two fixtures. If they don't go to plan then we're dragged right back into the mire and a gutsy performance means nothing.

[AV82EC]

Thing is, when Mane makes contact the ball is barely above waist height. JK turns his back at it when he should have been piling in to make sure that ball went out. Instead he just sticks his bum out. Where was the 'over my dead body' attitude with 60 seconds left? It wasn't even a great cross. Could've easily been avoided and we'd be happy with a point and a good performance. Instead it piles the pressure on to the next two fixtures. If they don't go to plan then we're dragged right back into the mire and a gutsy performance means nothing.

I don’t think Keenan Davis would have made such a half hearted effort but we’ll never know so there you go. I love Jimmy Danger but he needs to leave the club, best for all concerned.

[olaftab]

Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due

stats say different

stats  don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.

they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
 the fact is they did as the stats show

Outclassed? I don't think so.

possession 74%-26%
Passing 631--227 (accuracy 83%--58%)
shots  25--5
Fair enough.

But I'd have thought outclassed would have meant us chasing shadows, not having a sniff of a goal, conceding a hatful, no counter attacks etc etc.
None of the above happened. I don't think we'd be so disappointed if we were outclassed, but each to his own.

We were not out classed but it was that almost all of their players were faster, quicker thinking and full of agility compared to out team. Hopefully some of this will get fixed with fitness levels and coaching and some through acquiring better players in future transfer windows.

[Mister E]

I did really enjoy the game yesterday although (apologies if mentioned in a previous post) I did get wound up with the inconsistency from the referee. Mane commits 4 fouls two of which are bookable imho, then does get booked for try to con a penalty. SJM commits one foul and is booked immediately. Mane then proceeds to assist and score and it is these kind of margins that are going against us.

Absolutely agree. Moss does have form with us.
Re the game, see my post on page 14.

[Comrade Blitz]

In normal circumstances I don't care if the odd away supporter is in with us, but to consciously buy tickets for resale to what seems to be the highest bidder is totally wrong, and as the above poster said, an email to the club is more effective than getting someone thrown out when their only crime is to want to watch their team.

Perhaps this can be raised at the next meeting with the club? IIRC Liverpool are the only top club at VP the first half of this season so plenty more glory-hunters and plastics will be in the Villa ends

[Deano's Mullet]

As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.

[luke95]

Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due

stats say different

stats  don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.

they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
 the fact is they did as the stats show

Outclassed? I don't think so.

Outclassed maybe but out played? Never in a million years !!

[Brend'Watkins]

As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.

True. But I comfort myself by the fact we had one of the best teams if not the best currently in the world staring at defeat for 80 odd minutes. We’ve come a long way in a relatively short time.

[Deano's Mullet]

As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.

True. But I comfort myself by the fact we had one of the best teams if not the best currently in the world staring at defeat for 80 odd minutes. We’ve come a long way in a relatively short time.

thats what i keep telling myself, much better than a 6-0 at home. i just hate forever seeing United, Liverpool and Arsenal forever coming away from our ground with three points. 1995 since Utd, 1998 since Arsenal and i think we've beaten Liverpool at home once since 1998 (a 1-0 Downing winner)?

[not3bad]

Liverpool are a great side and they showed yesterday why they are on course to be champions. Villa put up a great fight but this side is still learning its trade in the Premier League, and are still getting used to each other. There's plenty more to come from this Villa side and I am happy with where we are at this stage, and looking forward to the next game, even if I was as sick as a a very ill dog at the final whistle yesterday.

[Ads]

sorry didn’t realise the post was so long and rambling

Don't apologise, it's a good post which I agree with.