Spurs away HT W FT L
Arsenal away HT W FT L
Man City away HT D FT L
Liverpool home HT W FT L
The positive is we're giving these sides a game, but fuck me, 11 second half goals conceded in those games.
Gutted as I am, I don’t think we’ll “do a Fulham.”I’m pretty sure there are 3 teams worse than us but we have to concentrate on beating, not drawing against all teams in bottom half
Could have been a lot worse. Getting into the mindset of 'we might just win this' makes it feel worse.
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
It's easier to just blame the ref. Mane should have been sent off in the first half, constant snide tackles by other players, unpunished etc etc.
But in the real world, very unlucky, Villa.
We were great, and with a little more composure would have scored a few more.
As for Liverpool,I hate everything about them from their fans to their manager, to their players, kit, their shit bands. Fuck off. It'll be a horrible day when they win the league.
Time for bed.
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
To be fair, we are still not strong enough as a squad to be able to do that. Hourihane is crap at defending but he replaces Luiz. We need three or four players in January to make us stronger.
Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
Try before you buy I heard
I’ve had enough of Wesley he’s shit. The sooner we buy another striker the better.
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
I’ve had enough of Wesley he’s shit. The sooner we buy another striker the better.He's done reasonably well so far but we definitely need another option up front.
Despite the defeat this game was full of positives. No Jack and we still held our own against the European Champions, a side who are unbeaten in nearly 30 league games and who before today were on a run of W18 D1 L0 in the league.
A year ago today we won at home to Bolton in front of less than 31k to lift us up to 13th Division 2. Today we gave one of the best sides in the world a game where it needed everything they had to beat us.
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Hause should been an option from the bench. Why Taylor?
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Agreed. Think it’s still somewhat underestimate how bloody good Liverpool are (unfortunately). Their intensity and pressure on the ball makes it really difficult to attack against them. And I actually think despite that we did create a couple of decent opportunities in the second half still.
If it had been a routine 3-0 win for Liverpool I'm convinced there'd be way less criticism of the team than they're getting because they were 1 up with 3 mins to go.
If it had been a routine 3-0 win for Liverpool I'm convinced there'd be way less criticism of the team than they're getting because they were 1 up with 3 mins to go.
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Agreed. Think it’s still somewhat underestimate how bloody good Liverpool are (unfortunately). Their intensity and pressure on the ball makes it really difficult to attack against them. And I actually think despite that we did create a couple of decent opportunities in the second half still.
That’s all fine and good but it has nothing to do with losing the game from a corner with 15 seconds left until the final whistle.
Could have been a lot worse. Getting into the mindset of 'we might just win this' makes it feel worse.Aston Villa Football ClubIt’s the hope that kills you2019
If it had been a routine 3-0 win for Liverpool I'm convinced there'd be way less criticism of the team than they're getting because they were 1 up with 3 mins to go.
There would be, but it’s not really surprising.
We are repeatedly turning three points into zero after taking the lead. That’s way more worrying than getting beaten 3-0 by the European champions.
The impact of it being Liverpool is that it’s just more frustrating because we came so close to getting something
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Agreed. Think it’s still somewhat underestimate how bloody good Liverpool are (unfortunately). Their intensity and pressure on the ball makes it really difficult to attack against them. And I actually think despite that we did create a couple of decent opportunities in the second half still.
That’s all fine and good but it has nothing to do with losing the game from a corner with 15 seconds left until the final whistle.
I was in the car at the time so was following game by a betting website. It actually came up on 93.47 minutes as "Aston Villa goal kick." I assume that info was wrong as then the goal horn went off on WM....also annoying I didn't put a bet on Liverpool to win when they were 12/1 around the 80th minute, the perils of thinking we might just hang on this time....
Could Heaton have come for the corner, apparently Mane scored in the six yard box? I'd always be looking for a keeper to come out if it's a corner in injury time tbh.
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Agreed. Think it’s still somewhat underestimate how bloody good Liverpool are (unfortunately). Their intensity and pressure on the ball makes it really difficult to attack against them. And I actually think despite that we did create a couple of decent opportunities in the second half still.
That’s all fine and good but it has nothing to do with losing the game from a corner with 15 seconds left until the final whistle.
I was in the car at the time so was following game by a betting website. It actually came up on 93.47 minutes as "Aston Villa goal kick." I assume that info was wrong as then the goal horn went off on WM....also annoying I didn't put a bet on Liverpool to win when they were 12/1 around the 80th minute, the perils of thinking we might just hang on this time....
Could Heaton have come for the corner, apparently Mane scored in the six yard box? I'd always be looking for a keeper to come out if it's a corner in injury time tbh.
Front post header. No chance of coming out.
I think they were all over us. We hardly came out of our half. And they could have scored in other situations. Maybe I'm naive, but having watched this and been at the City game - if we don't attack and threaten sides - our defenders will make mistakes and that will cost us points. We need more pace and a decent threatening striker.
We've been fine against most teams in the league, the top 2 are just miles ahead of the rest and that's reflected in their intensity, mentality and of course the points tallies.
If we play like that against likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Man. United at VP we will take some points off those I'm sure.
Agreed. Think it’s still somewhat underestimate how bloody good Liverpool are (unfortunately). Their intensity and pressure on the ball makes it really difficult to attack against them. And I actually think despite that we did create a couple of decent opportunities in the second half still.
That’s all fine and good but it has nothing to do with losing the game from a corner with 15 seconds left until the final whistle.
I was in the car at the time so was following game by a betting website. It actually came up on 93.47 minutes as "Aston Villa goal kick." I assume that info was wrong as then the goal horn went off on WM....also annoying I didn't put a bet on Liverpool to win when they were 12/1 around the 80th minute, the perils of thinking we might just hang on this time....
Could Heaton have come for the corner, apparently Mane scored in the six yard box? I'd always be looking for a keeper to come out if it's a corner in injury time tbh.
Front post header. No chance of coming out.
That’s all fine and good but it has nothing to do with losing the game from a corner with 15 seconds left until the final whistle.
You expect to lose to the top two. But neither have them have beaten us with world class performances. We’ve lost on aggregate 5-1 and ever single Fcukin goal was pretty much given to them by our errors.
Fair enough. Did we not stick Kodj at the near post then? Seems a very cheap goal to concede a header at that area, most teams just stick a big striker to head them away as we used to with likes of Heskey and Carew and with less success with Benteke.
Fair enough. Did we not stick Kodj at the near post then? Seems a very cheap goal to concede a header at that area, most teams just stick a big striker to head them away as we used to with likes of Heskey and Carew and with less success with Benteke.
Kodj was in the general area and possibly could have done better (as could I think Hourihane who seemed to be picking Mane up) but it was quite a low whipped delivery to the edge of the six yard box and if Mane meant to do it it was a pretty impressive header.
Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
You expect to lose to the top two. But neither have them have beaten us with world class performances. We’ve lost on aggregate 5-1 and ever single Fcukin goal was pretty much given to them by our errors.
That's what they do though, they wear you out mentally and when you're fatigured you make basic errors. It's what Man. United under Fergie used to do and Arsenal in their good spells under Wenger also did.
More I think about it more really Konsa should've come on, think the sub was made at 1-1 so once the first goes in you have to concede 1-1 is the best that can be done and make sure you have as many defensive minded players on the pitch as possible but it's only a small criticism compared to other games.
Ultimately if you look at the last two home games we're still a point up compared to if both had just fizzled out to 1-1s.
Spurs away HT W FT L
Arsenal away HT W FT L
Man City away HT D FT L
Liverpool home HT W FT L
The positive is we're giving these sides a game, but fuck me, 11 second half goals conceded in those games.
Hause would've been a perfect choice to shore it up. But no, Taylor is the option from the bench! I don't get it - Hause is big and strong and can play left back or CB.Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
Did we need to bring another striker on? 86 minutes gone, bring on another defender and stick 5 across the back. It's just not Smith's way and it will cost us points. There's nothing wrong in parking the bus sometimes.
Despite the defeat this game was full of positives. No Jack and we still held our own against the European Champions, a side who are unbeaten in nearly 30 league games and who before today were on a run of W18 D1 L0 in the league.
A year ago today we won at home to Bolton in front of less than 31k to lift us up to 13th Division 2. Today we gave one of the best sides in the world a game where it needed everything they had to beat us.
DS post-match https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1190693990020108289I guess one day he’s going to say something I don’t agree with, but hey he hasn’t done so far since he’s been at Villa.
Oh, and too many half and half scarves about. Even the Holte.
Fair enough. Did we not stick Kodj at the near post then? Seems a very cheap goal to concede a header at that area, most teams just stick a big striker to head them away as we used to with likes of Heskey and Carew and with less success with Benteke.
Kodj was in the general area and possibly could have done better (as could I think Hourihane who seemed to be picking Mane up) but it was quite a low whipped delivery to the edge of the six yard box and if Mane meant to do it it was a pretty impressive header.
Oh, and too many half and half scarves about. Even the Holte.
Half and half scarves are an abomination.
I came away from that encouraged for the rest of the season whilst being sick to my guts by that late winner. That's the hardest we've worked at home and it's hardly a surprise that Liverpool dominated possession. However we are and will get better.
I'm surprised by some of the negativity on here. We're a work in progress at this level but there is definitely progress.
Great atmosphere today also. Ovation for the boys at the end said it all.
Gutted with the result but not the performance, every player gave 100% and we looked dangerous on the break. Trez and especially Marvellous were the stand out players for me.
Heaton didn't have that many saves to make and Mo Salad looked absolute cack, I was disappointed when he was subbed as you just knew that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would improve slightly.
Always peed off to see so many bindippers in home seats.
Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
A good performance is out scoring your opponent or keeping your concentration for the entirety of the match. "Switching off" and conceding two goals in 7 minutes at the most important time of the game, resulting in you ending up with zero points isn't what I'd describe as a "good performance".
It was a good effort and nothing more.
Hause would've been a perfect choice to shore it up. But no, Taylor is the option from the bench! I don't get it - Hause is big and strong and can play left back or CB.Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
Did we need to bring another striker on? 86 minutes gone, bring on another defender and stick 5 across the back. It's just not Smith's way and it will cost us points. There's nothing wrong in parking the bus sometimes.
Just got home, it's a measure of how far we've come that the result feels like such a sickener.Nice report Risso, sounds like we gave everything today and maybe deserved something from the game. Considering who we were playing we have to take a reality check to where we were in February.
The ref in the second half had an absolute shocker. Every 50:50 decision went in their favour, and just never gave us a breather.
Everybody put a massive shift in, even Wesley who never stopped running to be fair. I just wish Smith would do more when we're under the cosh to stiffen things up a bit. He could have taken Trezeguet or El Ghazi off and brought Lansbury on to add a body in midfield. Even allowing for the fact it was Liverpool today, that's way too many points dropped from winning positions. I reckon Chris Wilder would have seen Sheffield United come out with at least a point in a similar position.
Hey ho, can't be too unhappy after a performance like that. Play in a similar vein against Wolves and Newcastle and we'll smash them.
Have the PL thrown the proverbial book at us yet for Bella's antics when Mané got booked?
God, I bloody hate Liverpool.
Another point: why no full backs on the posts at corners? That Mane header would've been a routine clearance!
Nakamba was immense in the second half when we were coming under pressure. Several times he won the ball when he had no right to do so.
He didn't dominate midfield - but he broke up a number plays with their midfield dominating.Nakamba was immense in the second half when we were coming under pressure. Several times he won the ball when he had no right to do so.
Two post above we had no one dominating the midfield!
DS post-match https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1190693990020108289Smith looked and sounded absolutely gutted! I reckon for him as a supporter it must be double good when we win and devestatingly bad when we lose. I like his honesty, he never tries to bullshit us.
DS post-match https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1190693990020108289Smith looked and sounded absolutely gutted! I reckon for him as a supporter it must be double good when we win and devestatingly bad when we lose. I like his honesty, he never tries to bullshit us.
Gutted with the result but not the performance, every player gave 100% and we looked dangerous on the break. Trez and especially Marvellous were the stand out players for me.
Heaton didn't have that many saves to make and Mo Salad looked absolute cack, I was disappointed when he was subbed as you just knew that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would improve slightly.
Always peed off to see so many bindippers in home seats.
This. The stats fans who reckon on paper Liverpool deserved it because they had 25 shots and whatever possession. Whatever. It still was a hard win for them and the type of game that you grind out and win if you want to become a champion. Just like their champion league games last year. Yes it’s worrying we can’t hold the lead for a full 90 but hats off to the players who I’m sure feel just as battered as us tonight. We will be fine in this league. Beer time for me now and up the villa!
Douglas was crocked I think. Conor should have made it 2-0 then it would have been a great sub
This is the hard truth.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
A good performance is out scoring your opponent or keeping your concentration for the entirety of the match. "Switching off" and conceding two goals in 7 minutes at the most important time of the game, resulting in you ending up with zero points isn't what I'd describe as a "good performance".
It was a good effort and nothing more.
just lost to the European Champions only 1 defeat in around 50 premier.league games. IT WAS A GOOD PERFORMANCE - FACTThis is the hard truth.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
A good performance is out scoring your opponent or keeping your concentration for the entirety of the match. "Switching off" and conceding two goals in 7 minutes at the most important time of the game, resulting in you ending up with zero points isn't what I'd describe as a "good performance".
It was a good effort and nothing more.
Do you remember the last time they came to Villa Park? Have you ever suffered a bigger humiliation at home, a performance so devoid of... anything. Well this was the opposite.
Disappointed doesn't cover it. I don't want to be the plucky loser, but there's a tonne of positives to take from that performance against the best side in the country and Europe. They didn't lay a glove on us until the last. If they don't win the league this year, they never will.
The first half we performed better, but even in the second as we tired I didn't feel Heaton was making any wonder saves.
The effort off the ball in our shape, discipline and pressing was excellent. Should have done better in the first minute, missed a free header and of course Connor should have buried it.
I'd like to see their free kick again. I'm not sure why Mane hadn't been booked for several fouls before his disgraceful dive, but it is what it is.
I suppose it typified the difference when we brought on £1.5m Hourihane and they brought on £65m Kieta.
We've thrown away several points in the latter stages against the top 6 sides and its infuriating, but also promising in some respects.
We're a few players shy up top from being a mid table side.
That seems to be the problem for us. As a promoted team our substitutes aren’t of sufficient quality to see us over the line against the top teamsGutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
That seems to be the problem for us. As a promoted team our substitutes aren’t of sufficient quality to see us over the line against the top teamsGutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
Hopefully we will be in this league long enough to put this rightThat seems to be the problem for us. As a promoted team our substitutes aren’t of sufficient quality to see us over the line against the top teamsGutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
Yup. 6 of our 14 played in the championship last season. All three of our subs did.
I have no doubt. I look at our squad, and I envisage progression, season upon season. As much as I've loved each of them for what they've contributed in the past, Elmo, Hourihane and Kodjia shouldn't be getting anywhere near the pitch for a side that's trying to hold back the onslaught of the reigning European Champions.Spot on
The concern for me is sooner or later we have to start picking up some points against teams that you wouldn't expect us to, especially when we're winning with not long left. Newcastle beat Man Utd, Sheff Utd beat Arsenal etc. We're not going to win every game against teams around us so we need to start taking a few unexpected points here and there.
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I live in deepest rural Shropshire, prime Redscouse turf. After following the last few nail-biting minutes in the car, and with melancholy and frustration broiling my guts like month-old half-rotted cabbage, I took Mrs Rodders and Mini Rodders Jnr to our local for tea.
We'd been sitting down for a while; I'm on my second pint of Three Tuns XXX, Mini Rodders Jnr's fish, chips and beans and beans had been served, and a youngish bearded bloke in shooting tweeds came up to our table and asked - in best, broadest Shropshire - if I was "the Villa fan"
When I replied in the affirmative, he grinned and started dancing around the table, flicking the V's and singing, "fuck you motherfuckerrrr, we had you, we fucking had you, you fucking looosseersss"
I've never even had that sort of interaction with my hated Nose Stepdad or his family, never mind a stranger in a pub where my home ground is sixty miles away and his eighty-five. When I invited him to desist he tried to get his mates involved. In front of the Missus and the 3 year old.
Utter, utter wankishness that typifies the club and its plastic support.
Gutted. Smith really needs to learn how to make subs that alter tactics rather then just like for like replacements. We never learn.
So who should we have replaced our injured RB with apart from another RB? Who should we have replaced our clearly knackered striker with apart from with a striker?
If Wesley was that knackered why leave him on until the 86th minute?
But anyway, why not work on something different when we’re facing 75% possession from an away team. He could perhaps bring Konsa on and string five across midfield as one suggestion, in an effort to avoid being overrun.
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I live in deepest rural Shropshire, prime Redscouse turf. After following the last few nail-biting minutes in the car, and with melancholy and frustration broiling my guts like month-old half-rotted cabbage, I took Mrs Rodders and Mini Rodders Jnr to our local for tea.
We'd been sitting down for a while; I'm on my second pint of Three Tuns XXX, Mini Rodders Jnr's fish, chips and beans and beans had been served, and a youngish bearded bloke in shooting tweeds came up to our table and asked - in best, broadest Shropshire - if I was "the Villa fan"
When I replied in the affirmative, he grinned and started dancing around the table, flicking the V's and singing, "fuck you motherfuckerrrr, we had you, we fucking had you, you fucking looosseersss"
I've never even had that sort of interaction with my hated Nose Stepdad or his family, never mind a stranger in a pub where my home ground is sixty miles away and his eighty-five. When I invited him to desist he tried to get his mates involved. In front of the Missus and the 3 year old.
Utter, utter wankishness that typifies the club and its plastic support.
He sounds like he's from Hereford, Rodders. Or, heaven forfend, Wales.
Rodders, what an absolute tosser.
All the best mate, lets hope revenge in the League Cup.
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I live in deepest rural Shropshire, prime Redscouse turf. After following the last few nail-biting minutes in the car, and with melancholy and frustration broiling my guts like month-old half-rotted cabbage, I took Mrs Rodders and Mini Rodders Jnr to our local for tea.
We'd been sitting down for a while; I'm on my second pint of Three Tuns XXX, Mini Rodders Jnr's fish, chips and beans and beans had been served, and a youngish bearded bloke in shooting tweeds came up to our table and asked - in best, broadest Shropshire - if I was "the Villa fan"
When I replied in the affirmative, he grinned and started dancing around the table, flicking the V's and singing, "fuck you motherfuckerrrr, we had you, we fucking had you, you fucking looosseersss"
I've never even had that sort of interaction with my hated Nose Stepdad or his family, never mind a stranger in a pub where my home ground is sixty miles away and his eighty-five. When I invited him to desist he tried to get his mates involved. In front of the Missus and the 3 year old.
Utter, utter wankishness that typifies the club and its plastic support.
He sounds like he's from Hereford, Rodders. Or, heaven forfend, Wales.
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I live in deepest rural Shropshire, prime Redscouse turf. After following the last few nail-biting minutes in the car, and with melancholy and frustration broiling my guts like month-old half-rotted cabbage, I took Mrs Rodders and Mini Rodders Jnr to our local for tea.
We'd been sitting down for a while; I'm on my second pint of Three Tuns XXX, Mini Rodders Jnr's fish, chips and beans and beans had been served, and a youngish bearded bloke in shooting tweeds came up to our table and asked - in best, broadest Shropshire - if I was "the Villa fan"
When I replied in the affirmative, he grinned and started dancing around the table, flicking the V's and singing, "fuck you motherfuckerrrr, we had you, we fucking had you, you fucking looosseersss"
I've never even had that sort of interaction with my hated Nose Stepdad or his family, never mind a stranger in a pub where my home ground is sixty miles away and his eighty-five. When I invited him to desist he tried to get his mates involved. In front of the Missus and the 3 year old.
Utter, utter wankishness that typifies the club and its plastic support.
He sounds like he's from Hereford, Rodders. Or, heaven forfend, Wales.
Wasn’t aware that Herefordians had any interest in football. North Wales types have a bit of a scouse affinity..
nice comments by Klopp there:It is an incredible stadium, I swear it never fails to impress me
"in a stadium like this, full of excitement and positivity at the situation, finally in the Premier League, what a stadium, what a club"
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
nice comments by Klopp there:It is an incredible stadium, I swear it never fails to impress me
"in a stadium like this, full of excitement and positivity at the situation, finally in the Premier League, what a stadium, what a club"
nice comments by Klopp there:Patronising toe rag. Ferguson used to make similar comments. I would rather they leave Villa Park thinking what a hell hole it is.
"in a stadium like this, full of excitement and positivity at the situation, finally in the Premier League, what a stadium, what a club"
nice comments by Klopp there:Patronising toe rag. Ferguson used to make similar comments. I would rather they leave Villa Park thinking what a hell hole it is.
"in a stadium like this, full of excitement and positivity at the situation, finally in the Premier League, what a stadium, what a club"
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Where are all these tourists and glory hunters (if the comments are correct) getting their tickets from in the Villa end? It’s hard enough to get a ticket for games as a claret member so how are so many getting hold of tickets they shouldn’t have?If Villa fans are getting them tickets, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What I saw was a plucky performance from a team that is still finding its feet in a division that is vastly different from 3 years' ago. Villa played with ernergy and commitment and several players came out of the game with some credit - Trez, Wes, Mings, Marvelous, Targett and Guilbert particularly.
However, until we 'up' our fitness levels, protect the ball significantly better and distribute from the back much, much better we will lose games like this. These are the basics of the game.
Encouraging, but there's a fair way to go to be able to compete.
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Outclassed? I don't think so.
possession 74%-26%
Passing 631--227 (accuracy 83%--58%)
shots 25--5
There are times During the game, when the manager has got to help the team, as much as I like Smith for all he has done.
He is failing in this part of his job.
Unfortunately the games when we are converting winning positions into losses are toting up.There are times During the game, when the manager has got to help the team, as much as I like Smith for all he has done.
He is failing in this part of his job.
Absolute rubbish. Is he supposed to put his boots on or something?
I don’t know, against Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool I didn’t think the substitutions were great. Wrong players and in 2 cases at the wrong times. Surely that’s 100% on Smith. Haven’t we given up more points from winning positions in the 2nd half than anyone else?Exactly
Where are all these tourists and glory hunters (if the comments are correct) getting their tickets from in the Villa end? It’s hard enough to get a ticket for games as a claret member so how are so many getting hold of tickets they shouldn’t have?
Still gutted at the result. Played well enough for at least a point. Heaton had very little to do, despite Liverpool possession. I thought we always looked likely to get a second on the break. Jack would have maybe been the difference. Met Ads from here.
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Outclassed? I don't think so.
possession 74%-26%
Passing 631--227 (accuracy 83%--58%)
shots 25--5
Fair enough.
But I'd have thought outclassed would have meant us chasing shadows, not having a sniff of a goal, conceding a hatful, no counter attacks etc etc.
None of the above happened. I don't think we'd be so disappointed if we were outclassed, but each to his own.
stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Outclassed? I don't think so.
possession 74%-26%
Passing 631--227 (accuracy 83%--58%)
shots 25--5
Fair enough.
But I'd have thought outclassed would have meant us chasing shadows, not having a sniff of a goal, conceding a hatful, no counter attacks etc etc.
None of the above happened. I don't think we'd be so disappointed if we were outclassed, but each to his own.
We were “outclassed” last time we played this lot in the league. This time we lost.
The more I see the winning goal then the more I think JK completely bottled the challenge. what a half-hearted attempt at winning the ball, their player just wanted it more.
I don’t know, against Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool I didn’t think the substitutions were great. Wrong players and in 2 cases at the wrong times. Surely that’s 100% on Smith. Haven’t we given up more points from winning positions in the 2nd half than anyone else?
I think it would be sensible if away fans were all held back at full time on dramatic days like today. It wasn’t good walking past the away end. Upset villa fans and gloating away fans, not a good mix.
I live in deepest rural Shropshire, prime Redscouse turf. After following the last few nail-biting minutes in the car, and with melancholy and frustration broiling my guts like month-old half-rotted cabbage, I took Mrs Rodders and Mini Rodders Jnr to our local for tea.
We'd been sitting down for a while; I'm on my second pint of Three Tuns XXX, Mini Rodders Jnr's fish, chips and beans and beans had been served, and a youngish bearded bloke in shooting tweeds came up to our table and asked - in best, broadest Shropshire - if I was "the Villa fan"
When I replied in the affirmative, he grinned and started dancing around the table, flicking the V's and singing, "fuck you motherfuckerrrr, we had you, we fucking had you, you fucking looosseersss"
I've never even had that sort of interaction with my hated Nose Stepdad or his family, never mind a stranger in a pub where my home ground is sixty miles away and his eighty-five. When I invited him to desist he tried to get his mates involved. In front of the Missus and the 3 year old.
Utter, utter wankishness that typifies the club and its plastic support.
i always ask Liverpool and Man Utd fans who live around me (Bucks so there’s are plenty)
‘ do you actually support them or is it just your favourite television programme ? ‘
I'd like to give a special mention to the grey squirrel in the upper Trinity that decided to launch itself off the balcony onto the back of someone in the lower Trinity just before kick off.
I'd like to give a special mention to the grey squirrel in the upper Trinity that decided to launch itself off the balcony onto the back of someone in the lower Trinity just before kick off.
I'd like to give a special mention to the grey squirrel in the upper Trinity that decided to launch itself off the balcony onto the back of someone in the lower Trinity just before kick off.
Proud of the lads yesterday, but as a few others have posted I was in P5 Upper doug yesterday and there were Liverpool fans next to me, they were quiet and caused no trouble, but I find it very odd how they got tickets when it was simply to Members only. At £50 a ticket by me and a £35 membership it’s an expensive day out. As others have said fans should be banned for buying and selling them onto Liverpool if that was the caseMy pal sold his two season tickete to Liverpool fans for 200 quid each. Pissed off with him but it explains the Liverpool fans in our sections.
Where are all these tourists and glory hunters (if the comments are correct) getting their tickets from in the Villa end? It’s hard enough to get a ticket for games as a claret member so how are so many getting hold of tickets they shouldn’t have?
Just fuck them in the league cup qf.
The more I see the winning goal then the more I think JK completely bottled the challenge. what a half-hearted attempt at winning the ball, their player just wanted it more.
Proud of the lads yesterday, but as a few others have posted I was in P5 Upper doug yesterday and there were Liverpool fans next to me, they were quiet and caused no trouble, but I find it very odd how they got tickets when it was simply to Members only. At £50 a ticket by me and a £35 membership it’s an expensive day out. As others have said fans should be banned for buying and selling them onto Liverpool if that was the case
I did really enjoy the game yesterday although (apologies if mentioned in a previous post) I did get wound up with the inconsistency from the referee. Mane commits 4 fouls two of which are bookable imho, then does get booked for try to con a penalty. SJM commits one foul and is booked immediately. Mane then proceeds to assist and score and it is these kind of margins that are going against us.This did boil my piss. He should have been booked for a deliberate cynical trip just before we scored and then again for the foul that led to our goal. Moss inexplicably let him off on those two occasions but if had taken the correct action he was off for his attempted cheat. A disgraceful refereeing performance.
The more I see the winning goal then the more I think JK completely bottled the challenge. what a half-hearted attempt at winning the ball, their player just wanted it more.
I agree. His job was simply to stand around six yard box and clear the ball if it came in that low. It did and wasn't cleared. Disappointing.
Thing is, when Mane makes contact the ball is barely above waist height. JK turns his back at it when he should have been piling in to make sure that ball went out. Instead he just sticks his bum out. Where was the 'over my dead body' attitude with 60 seconds left? It wasn't even a great cross. Could've easily been avoided and we'd be happy with a point and a good performance. Instead it piles the pressure on to the next two fixtures. If they don't go to plan then we're dragged right back into the mire and a gutsy performance means nothing.
We were not out classed but it was that almost all of their players were faster, quicker thinking and full of agility compared to out team. Hopefully some of this will get fixed with fitness levels and coaching and some through acquiring better players in future transfer windows.But I'd have thought outclassed would have meant us chasing shadows, not having a sniff of a goal, conceding a hatful, no counter attacks etc etc.possession 74%-26%stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Outclassed? I don't think so.
Passing 631--227 (accuracy 83%--58%)
shots 25--5
Fair enough.
None of the above happened. I don't think we'd be so disappointed if we were outclassed, but each to his own.
I did really enjoy the game yesterday although (apologies if mentioned in a previous post) I did get wound up with the inconsistency from the referee. Mane commits 4 fouls two of which are bookable imho, then does get booked for try to con a penalty. SJM commits one foul and is booked immediately. Mane then proceeds to assist and score and it is these kind of margins that are going against us.Absolutely agree. Moss does have form with us.
In normal circumstances I don't care if the odd away supporter is in with us, but to consciously buy tickets for resale to what seems to be the highest bidder is totally wrong, and as the above poster said, an email to the club is more effective than getting someone thrown out when their only crime is to want to watch their team.
Outclassed maybe but out played? Never in a million years !!stats don’t show it took champions of Europe almost the full 90 to beat us and when they did only by a single goal. Most expected a hammering, I know I did.Good performance by villa though. Credit where credit is due
stats say different
they show how outclassed we were and the game is 90 mins it irrelevant how long it took them to beat us
the fact is they did as the stats show
Outclassed? I don't think so.
As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.
As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.
True. But I comfort myself by the fact we had one of the best teams if not the best currently in the world staring at defeat for 80 odd minutes. We’ve come a long way in a relatively short time.
sorry didn’t realise the post was so long and rambling
There are times During the game, when the manager has got to help the team, as much as I like Smith for all he has done.
He is failing in this part of his job.
Absolute rubbish. Is he supposed to put his boots on or something?
Waited till today to comment as found most comments utterly depressing and wondering whether those making the most negative comments were actually at the game. I was thoroughly gutted at the end yesterday & still am today, but every single player was completely on it yesterday. Liverpool didn’t have an off day, they played well but we drew them into a scrap and were that close to beating the best team in Europe. I don’t want villa defined as plucky losers, but I don’t see how we can criticise the team or manager at all. Watching game back on MOTD by 9 said ‘what a header’ about Maine’s goal and he’s spot on, credit due. Wesley, Trez, El Ghazi stand outs for me, but they were all superb. The holte end stayed to applaud them off the pitch yesterday, that says it all, bring on wolves and newcastle
Positives :
At least Trezeguet finally did something of note.
We almost got a result without our best player.
Some nice words about Villa and VP from Klopp and the commentator - although I wonder would Klopp have been so magnanimous in defeat or after a draw?
Not so positive:
Poor game management, insufficient fitness and poor ball retention are regularly costing us in second halves. It's become a pattern, and it's something Smith must take responsibility for and sort out.
Yet another "inconsistent" ref, the same one who denied us a stonewall pen at Arsenal.
Agree with your assessment other than - on this occasion - "poor game management". The fact is that Smith does not have much on the bench to make things happen differently: many of the subs are lookalike players. I'd criticise him for bringing on Hourihane, mainly because he's hopeless when the team do not have the ball, and we were not retaining it very well when Conor did come on. I'd have looked for Konsa - or possibly - Lansbury to come on and shore things up.
Poor game management, insufficient fitness and poor ball retention are regularly costing us in second halves. It's become a pattern, and it's something Smith must take responsibility for and sort out.
As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.
Positives :
At least Trezeguet finally did something of note.
We almost got a result without our best player.
Some nice words about Villa and VP from Klopp and the commentator - although I wonder would Klopp have been so magnanimous in defeat or after a draw?
Not so positive:
Poor game management, insufficient fitness and poor ball retention are regularly costing us in second halves. It's become a pattern, and it's something Smith must take responsibility for and sort out.
Yet another "inconsistent" ref, the same one who denied us a stonewall pen at Arsenal.
As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.
Agreed. I said to my mate that it was important that we didn't lose now, but that we almost certainly would.
As defeats go this hurt. I haven't felt this bad after a defeat since perhaps the Albion game at home earlier in the year. Whats annoying is it just felt like a matter of time that it happened, even leading 1-0 after 83 or so mins. The minute they equalised you knew what was coming.
Agreed. I said to my mate that it was important that we didn't lose now, but that we almost certainly would.
Mad similarities in our stories Axl
The more I see the winning goal then the more I think JK completely bottled the challenge. what a half-hearted attempt at winning the ball, their player just wanted it more.
I agree. His job was simply to stand around six yard box and clear the ball if it came in that low. It did and wasn't cleared. Disappointing.
When I played we were always told to have a big man (usually the centre forward (Kodjia) standing on the 6 yard side line which then cuts off any near post headers and means the ball has to be hit higher into the centre of the goal. This automatically brings the keeper into play as he can then catch/punch the ball away above the forwards.
Also if you have a defender stood on the far post he can cover quite a chunk of the goal line if the keeper leaves it. If either of these situations had occurred yesterday the winning goal would in all probability not occurred.
Big Smith fan! His approach is the reason we got promoted but also the reason we’ve lost points this season. He’s got a lot to learn and we should give him time. If he’s making the same mistakes this time next year, there’ll be questions to be asked, but I’m pretty sure he’ll learn. He’s an intelligent forward thinking coach..Very naive so far, almost in an anti Bruce way.. but keep the faith
If we had a centre forward like Vardy, who has pace and looks like he enjoys scoring goals then we would have won that comfortably yesterday, we are that close to having a great team and that is without Grealish! UTV
I'm not sure if Vardy is Football Manager Tactics perfect for us but, fuck, there are so few teams on earth he wouldn't improve. At the very least, look how well he's adapted to different football styles and systems, most of which he's adapted to at the top of the game after his 30th birthday. It's remarkable.
I'm not sure if Vardy is Football Manager Tactics perfect for us but, fuck, there are so few teams on earth he wouldn't improve. At the very least, look how well he's adapted to different football styles and systems, most of which he's adapted to at the top of the game after his 30th birthday. It's remarkable.
Positives :
At least Trezeguet finally did something of note.
We almost got a result without our best player.
Some nice words about Villa and VP from Klopp and the commentator - although I wonder would Klopp have been so magnanimous in defeat or after a draw?
Not so positive:
Poor game management, insufficient fitness and poor ball retention are regularly costing us in second halves. It's become a pattern, and it's something Smith must take responsibility for and sort out.
Yet another "inconsistent" ref, the same one who denied us a stonewall pen at Arsenal.
Is it those things, or is it simply our substitutes aren't as good as theirs?
I'm not sure if Vardy is Football Manager Tactics perfect for us but, fuck, there are so few teams on earth he wouldn't improve. At the very least, look how well he's adapted to different football styles and systems, most of which he's adapted to at the top of the game after his 30th birthday. It's remarkable.
Certainly true when he is in the kind of form he has been so far this season. I still think we need more of a target man type at the moment though and Wesley just isn't that at the moment. Would be interested to see Wesley perhaps partnered with that type of striker and see how he got on.
We need to ensure performances like this against the weaker sides in the division.
If I have a slight criticism, it would be that we have probably been slightly under par (compared to the Liverpool & Arsenal performances) too often. Brighton, Palace and West Ham spring to mind with possibly Burnley and Bournemouth as well.
Play as well as that on Sunday and we'll beat Wolves.
We backed off too much though!
Just brought myself to watch the highlights for the first time, didnt realise it at the time but Hourihane was crap for both of their goals.And he should have buried that chance instead of passing. 2-0 and it was game over.
Just brought myself to watch the highlights for the first time, didnt realise it at the time but Hourihane was crap for both of their goals.I keep saying, without the ball we go down to 10 men when he's on the pitch.