MOTD

[DeKuip]

Spot on Paul e

[Baldy]

If Lineker comes back to MOTD next weekend it will probably get its best viewership for years. Curiosity, rubber necks et all.

But after that, I reckon the viewership numbers could go down.

MOTD has become a 'habit' for a lot of people and we watch it out of tradition. We have not bothered to watch the highlights/analysis on the many other platforms available. Until last weekend.

Will think twice about watching MOTD in future. Lineker is fine but too many pundits just state the obvious time and time again and are stealing a living.

Most of us are now capable of putting our own 'more tailored' package together through Youtube/podcasts etc and last weekend the opportunity presented itself.

BBC/MOTD may have shot itself in the foot.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.

I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.

Anyway, well done, Gary.

[Nev]

This review will be interesting and could have a massive impact on the corporation. Restrictions on employees other than those in News and current affairs, airing their opinions could lead to an exodus of presenters and contributers and would be unnecessary imo.

Portillo's political opinion has no impact on his train programmes no more than Linekers does on MOTD. This whole furore stems from undue influence putting pressure on the BBC and I'd like to see the licence fee and appointments transfered form the Government of the day and decided by cross party committees.

I'll still won't be watching MOTD if we've lost though.

[Risso]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.

[Bad English]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.

I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.

Anyway, well done, Gary.

Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.

Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?

[Clark W Griswold]

In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.

I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.

Saw it last week 🙂

 I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.

That’s about right.

 I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.

If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was.

ooh Yeah !

[paul_e]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.

I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.

Anyway, well done, Gary.

What MotD really needs, and has for a long time, is to offer something extra and, importantly, to remove any bias from that. They have time after the games to talk with people, get stats, opinions, etc and present things far more factually. Top of the list of things I'd like to see is them have time with the refs to go through controversial decisions and really push for answers on why x is different to y, for example.

To be fluffier, the job should be to find out what fans will be talking about on forums/SM in the pub and cover it with a balanced 'report'. That should include not being afraid to say someone has cheated or made a mistake.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.

We use it quite a lot in our house - but it's basically 90% 6 Music and BBC 4, with the other 5% occasional football for me, drama for the Mrs, pretty much none of which is viewed 'live'.

I read an article last year (I think) on this, and it used Radio 1 as the example - something which for our generation when we were younger was ubiquitous and socially important, but is now basically a flagship product whose audience is a demographic which doesn't listen to live radio.

[pauliewalnuts]

In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.

I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.

Saw it last week 🙂

 I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.

That’s about right.

 I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.

If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was.

ooh Yeah !

She was truly awful in that film, one of the most wooden performances I've ever seen. Not surprised she moved the other side of the camera.

[dr.chekov]

It was  going to be Winona Ryder playing that role... but she dropped out at the last minute.

[Risso]

It was  going to be Winona Ryder playing that role... but she dropped out at the last minute.

Probably had some urgent shopping to do.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.

MOTD is going the same way that TOTP went. Used to be a genuinely flagship programme but it’s been caught up and overtaken by newer versions that meet viewers’ demands better.

It’s a shame but that’s what happens.

[Risso]

Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.

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Paul, thank you for the considered response. I fundamentally disagree, but this is perhaps the wrong part of the forum to discuss it in the detail it deserves (and we'd probably enjoy!) without sidetracking things too much for everyone else?