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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Louzie0 on October 05, 2019, 10:58:42 PM
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Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
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Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
I do think Gary Lineker is slowly morphing into Jimmy Hill, his facial hair does not help him in that regard.
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Far too much chit chat. Are Alan Shearer's musings really necessary? Just show more of the football
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I'm with Lou, couldn't wait for it last night.
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https://youtu.be/vz3XVPGWMUI
One of my favourites of all time.
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I'm enjoying it again. A definite sign we're rapidly improving is that I can now happily watch the other teams without soiling myself at the prospect of playing them. I won't have Sky, so the pictures alone provide me with an insightful digestible package.
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
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I always watch it love it.
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I'm enjoying it again. A definite sign we're rapidly improving is that I can now happily watch the other teams without soiling myself at the prospect of playing them. I won't have Sky, so the pictures alone provide me with an insightful digestible package.
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
Oh I don’t know having those two being the main pundits whilst Man U swept all before them had a certain ironic humour to it.
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
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I'm enjoying it again. A definite sign we're rapidly improving is that I can now happily watch the other teams without soiling myself at the prospect of playing them. I won't have Sky, so the pictures alone provide me with an insightful digestible package.
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
Oh I don’t know having those two being the main pundits whilst Man U swept all before them had a certain ironic humour to it.
They'd be insufferable now.
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Have anyone ever figured out what exactly is Danny Murphy's problem? Did we do something when he was a player that he never got over or is he just after click bait/attention?
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https://youtu.be/vz3XVPGWMUI
One of my favourites of all time.
So Brian, how the you rate the great Trevor Francis? ;D
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
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Let's face it there is only two ways of looking at Saturdays game. One team scored five goals and one team conceded five goals.
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Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
I tend to get on iPlayer during live broadcast and just watch the bits I want, but yes this season first time in many, the exile is over.
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
That's a very credible response. However, I think Murphy is a complete twat!
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Have anyone ever figured out what exactly is Danny Murphy's problem? Did we do something when he was a player that he never got over or is he just after click bait/attention?
Think he just said he never enjoyed playing at Villa Park and never really got why we see ourselves as bigger than Leeds who he's always hyping up.
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He's not the brightest - Danny Murphy.
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Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
That's a very credible response. However, I think Murphy is a complete twat!
A Liverpool fan I know says he is very unpopular at Anfield too. Apparently one of the first things Benitez did was to drop him, then sell him and they reckon he is always doing them down ever since.
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It was just lovely to watch MOTD on Saturday night and know I was going to see 5 Villa goals!
Hopefully we will be featured under similar circumstances for the rest of the season. :)
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The commentary of our game was awful, I did not realise that we were playing a relegation rival (does this mean we want to be relegated?), every time we scored the commentators voice went up by about 3 octaves (my dog started to howl at the television)
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I don't reckon they were expecting to put us on second so didn't send a decent commentator. It sounded like it had been added afterwards to me.
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I don't reckon they were expecting to put us on second so didn't send a decent commentator. It sounded like it had been added afterwards to me.
Reminds me on the GotM competition when they used to add commentary to the entries that was not there in the original match as all they had done for that was to show a minute of highlights.
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About the standard of commentating that expected from quest
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I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
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I absolutely loathe commentating, it’s such utter drivel. Stat after meaningless stat that has no relevance to the actual outcome of the match, getting overly excited as if everything they see is amazing and has never happened before, and very little actual knowledge imparted of what’s happening in the game aside from what the viewer can actually see himself.
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
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I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
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I absolutely loathe commentating, it’s such utter drivel. Stat after meaningless stat that has no relevance to the actual outcome of the match, getting overly excited as if everything they see is amazing and has never happened before, and very little actual knowledge imparted of what’s happening in the game aside from what the viewer can actually see himself.
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
You should get together with my old man and have a good rant together. His opinions on football commentators and particularly football statistics are very much like yours. Alhough I should warn you he is a nose.
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I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
Speaking of Alexei, series 3 of his Imaginary Sandwich Bar is a quality listen through BBC Sounds.
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I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
Speaking of Alexei, series 3 of his Imaginary Sandwich Bar is a quality listen through BBC Sounds.
I persuaded my Mum to accompany me to see Alexei Sayle in Birmingham around 1984 when I was thirteen. I was pissing myself laughing all through. My mum laughed once at a joke about Mickey Mouse having a Ronald Reagan wristwatch.
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I absolutely loathe commentating, it’s such utter drivel. Stat after meaningless stat that has no relevance to the actual outcome of the match, getting overly excited as if everything they see is amazing and has never happened before, and very little actual knowledge imparted of what’s happening in the game aside from what the viewer can actually see himself.
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
You should get together with my old man and have a good rant together. His opinions on football commentators and particularly football statistics are very much like yours. Alhough I should warn you he is a nose.
I remember my dad having a big rant about a commentator before getting up (those were the days) and turning the sound all the way down. We continued watching for about five minutes before he got back up and switched it back on without a word.
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To be fair to my old man a lifetime of supporting Small Heath and also England in the football and cricket would mean statistics on those subjects would not be pleasant reading/hearing.
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Alexi Sayle is a right crank.
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If you're a football fan there's no better programme, have been watching it since it first came on our screens in 1964 and would never miss it.
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I didn’t watch it the entire time we were in the Championship. It would have been a bit like watching your ex.
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Same here. There was too much of a, ‘Look what you could have won’ poignancy about it; especially last season.
That said, this season i’m really enjoying it again- when we don’t lose, that is!
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Yeah, I tend not to if we’ve lost too.
I do think it would be a better show if they could pick the most entertaining matches regardless of division to show instead of assuming that a boring goalless draw is worth anyone’s time just because it’s in the Premier League.
If a match is shit, don’t show it, show more of the better ones or spend more time on analysis. These days the fans can see the highlights of anything missed online if they really want to.
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I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I believe it was said years back comms at the game are given chance to re-do bits of commentary after the game if they weren't happy with how they described a goal at the time.
Guess some commentators you can actually hear the difference, get the feeling Jonathan Pearce is one who likes to re-do the odd goal narration while always feels like Guy Mowbray is usually good at knowing when a big incident is about to occur.
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Was once the flagship of all football programs- still good but the likes of jenas, Murphy, Neville drag it down a few notches.
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Was once the flagship of all football programs- still good but the likes of jenas, Murphy, Neville drag it down a few notches.
I quite like Jenas. As for Murphy he is refreshingly honest at times but always leans heavily towards the negative point of view. Shearer is pretty negative too. Considering Neville has had a reasonably decent coaching career since retiring he doesn't come across as a particularly good pundit. Tim Cahill is pretty good.
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I do know that if commentators criticize a player during the commentary of a game they can often get a call from the players agent showing their displeasure and future possible interviews curtailed.
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Unconfirmed rumours that due to VAR incidents in the games at Villa, Leicester, Spurs and Wolves tonights MOTD is a three hour VAR special.
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They’re renaming it VAR of the Day aren’t they?
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I do know that if commentators criticize a player during the commentary of a game they can often get a call from the players agent showing their displeasure and future possible interviews curtailed.
Ugh. Really? Akin to record labels pulling paid adverts for a new album from one of their artists if the publication don't give said album a glowing review.
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Our game is first on MOTD tonight, starting in a mo.
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On first....feckin hell !
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I hope all the noses enjoyed the highlights of our game and Alan Shearer's positive analysis of Jack Grealish. ;)
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I've just watched us on motd.
How come they've only just realised how good Jack is?
Anyone with any sense could see he's a top, top player.
And he's ours.
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Controversial VAR decision on disallowed goal not analysed by Shearer and Co. Really surprised at that! Terrible decision needed to be highlighted.
Jack got plenty of plaudits though. He was terrific today in front of Southgate.
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Bloody hell that was a terrible decision for their free kick. Glad they didn't mention it afterwards and concentrated on how good Jack was and is.
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They focussed on the goals but focussing on the goals it all comes down to Jack Grealish. What a game he had. So glad he stayed with us when he could have left while we were still a championship side.
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They focussed on the goals but focussing on the goals it all comes down to Jack Grealish. What a game he had. So glad he stayed with us when he could have left while we were still a championship side.
Tottenham's legendary master negotiator Daniel Levy failed to sign him despite the fact we were skint and in danger of going bust at the time.
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
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Lineker seems to be fond of us.I think that Var wasn't analysed because it didn't alter the result and I think that Motd might have a time limit on highlights.Also it enabled them to focus on Jack who was just incredible.
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I've just watched us on motd.
How come they've only just realised how good Jack is?
Anyone with any sense could see he's a top, top player.
And he's ours.
To be fair there's been quite a good reason they haven't mentioned him in the last three years.
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
Pretty much, think everyone was sick of us just doing nothing but losing in the bleak Lambert years.
Now we're playing good football and having more marketable players in the media.
Was surprised we were first (isn't their a Villa fan who's their editor?) as thought the ongoing Spurs crisis would take top bill (was amazed they were near the end).
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Some stats on the beeb show there has been more shots on goal by both us and the opposition combined then any other teams. Not a totally good thing though really.
Aston Villa's Premier League games this season have seen a combined 293 shots (131 attempted, 162 faced), more than any other side, with today's game seeing 44 (24 attempted, 20 faced), the most in a single Premier League fixture since Manchester United v Burnley in October 2016 (45).
It was 43 in the Norwich match.
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
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They focussed on the goals but focussing on the goals it all comes down to Jack Grealish. What a game he had. So glad he stayed with us when he could have left while we were still a championship side.
How many times did he get back to win a ball in defence? It was mental! He's so fit
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I always remember playing away to Spurs perhaps 1980 and we absolutely battered them 3-1 (just before Christmas) - I remember that I was tarted up to go out with work mates afterwards.
Anyway the footage of the game was heavily edited and it appeared quite an even game on TV.
The following week Jimmy Hill confessed that several Villa fans had got in touch to complain about the coverage.
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Did you also see the Chelsea vs. Newcastle game
I think the only time Newcastle got into the Chelsea half was when they changed ends at half time. I think they had one decent chance right at the death but other than that it was pure Bruce ball.
Now consider our game - although they were a dangerous outfit even with 10 men instead of accepting a 1-1 draw at home we went for it with 2 great attempts in the final 2 minutes of extra time ( 1 x Davis and the goal itself)
I do not ever think we will complain about our negativity again - we may lose games but never through being gutless and not trying to win
Thank McGrath we have Smith and not Bruce
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
Nonsense. It’s all all pervading and starts with the Illuminati and their Lizard King, Trevor Francis.
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I always remember playing away to Spurs perhaps 1980 and we absolutely battered them 3-1 (just before Christmas) - I remember that I was tarted up to go out with work mates afterwards.
Anyway the footage of the game was heavily edited and it appeared quite an even game on TV.
The following week Jimmy Hill confessed that several Villa fans had got in touch to complain about the coverage.
It was the second or third game of the season I think, not long after we drew 2-2 with them in the Charity Shield. I think it was on Star Soccer but it might have been MOTD. Gary Shaw was still recovering from a pre season knee op and Terry Donovan played in his place and scored two goals. Dennis Mortimer got our other goal and Ricky Villa scored for Spurs. Ex Villa player Gordon Smith was in the Spurs line up.
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Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
Nonsense. It’s all all pervading and starts with the Illuminati and their Lizard King, Trevor Francis.
I'd definitely prefer the Doors if they'd had Trevor Francis as their frontman.
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Anyone know at which point we feature on the opening credits?
Certainly a blink and miss it feature.
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Anyone know at which point we feature on the opening credits?
Certainly a blink and miss it feature.
The Wolves one looks like they've just taken a picture of the city centre on a Saturday afternoon, no sunlight and wild animals roaming freely.
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I was thinking this the other day. After watching back a few times, we’re on the second set of clubs with Burnley and West Ham (after the big hammer graphic) with Jack on the right above an old school rampant lion:
(https://i.ibb.co/StmmGGN/BD1-BFD2-B-38-A6-4887-8-F01-1-C158-CCBCCA2.png) (https://ibb.co/StmmGGN)
Like you say, blink and you’ll miss it.
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Claret sleeves 😡😡😡
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It seemed like we were an after thought for most of the MOTD graphics when we were in the Prem. I think on the last ones it was a blink and you miss it clip of the score board in the Trinity / Holte corner.
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Is that it???? 2 sentences ffs
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I was thinking this the other day. After watching back a few times, we’re on the second set of clubs with Burnley and West Ham (after the big hammer graphic) with Jack on the right above an old school rampant lion:
(https://i.ibb.co/StmmGGN/BD1-BFD2-B-38-A6-4887-8-F01-1-C158-CCBCCA2.png) (https://ibb.co/StmmGGN)
Like you say, blink and you’ll miss it.
Is our stadium even featured, ground looks more like Turf Moor. Odd when apparently MOTD editor is a Villa fan.
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It must be Turf Moor and I have absolutely no idea what’s supposed to be growing out of the top of it as it resembles nothing from the Burnley badge.
Also no idea why the West Ham imagery is much bigger, than both Villa and Burnley especially when they have a full graphic on the screen before the one above.
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A claret and blue homage from motd
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Just glad that under Dean Smith we are providing enough entertainment to be getting prime billing and not last in the pecking order that we were under Bruceball
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Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
Met Des Lynam a few times (when I worked the door of the north stand banqueting suite - now called the legends suite ?) when bbc did a live broadcast from villa park, usually an fa cup semi. Nice bloke, quite the charmer but the first thing I noticed was that he must be about 6 foot 5 !
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Cheers.
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Yes, brief highlights and goals are now available in Sky Sports online from 5.15pm on Saturdays.
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Enjoyed Jack’s goal again. Hope we can get some points on Tuesday night as a bit of a boost.
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Is returning tomorrow night.
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I can't think of anything worse, the over exposed being given more exposure via pointless arguments offered by even more pointless people.
The same old clips of the same old players.
Why not show some football, not "classic" matches, we've seen them all before countless times but archive episodes that will have some the lesser known teams and players (and for nerds like me, grounds) featured?
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Let's get 'Cloughie's Golden Oldies' back on. Hugh John's commentating on 'Pop Robson', 'Sid Cowans', 'Wee Archie Gemmill' and 'Big Larry Lloyd'.
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Tonight TV offering is Premier league Captains
On live at 10:20pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h5kh
This follows the podcast that is available.
BBC’s Match Of The Day trio, Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright are bringing their knowledge, insight, wit and wisdom to brand new podcast series Match Of The Day: Top 10 - available on BBC Sounds.
Taking themselves out of the studio, the series will be recorded in Gary’s kitchen and will see the guys getting into deep discussion to produce a top 10 on a variety of topics!
The top 10 model uses the much debated MOTD television running order as inspiration. Fans will undoubtedly have their own thought on who should make the list.
I would have watched this if I was 12 years old
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Why don't they just show random MOTD's from the past?
A little bit like ITV did with "The Big Match".
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I am hoping for more than 50 odd from the so called top 5 and big London teams.
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Hurray!
Thanks for bumping this one back, Vill I An.
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Speaking of MOTD, has anyone dared to press the Red button? There is something called MOTD watchalong where there are 4 young lads talking rubbish whilst the game is on.
I don't see the point...
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Speaking of MOTD, has anyone dared to press the Red button? There is something called MOTD watchalong where there are 4 young lads talking rubbish whilst the game is on.
I don't see the point...
Have you been in the match thread?
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Next MOTD is showing 1045pm Wednesday 24th June BBC one / Online .
Highlights will include Newcastle v Aston Villa
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The revenge of the potato. It's written in the stars.
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He will be our potato blight, and send his team out to mash us. They'll score with a chip, and we'll end up battered.
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I know people don't like Danny Murphy because he dosen't like us but thought that was superb analysis last night on how Chelsea worked and moved Targett and Jack about so create space for them to get countless crosses in which eventually lead to the equaliser.
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The revenge of the potato. It's written in the stars.
The cabbage bites back.
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If Murphy was a half-decent analyst, he might have chosen to express an opinion on what he, as a coach, would have done to counter the Chelsea threat.
He totally failed to do so.
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Phillip Neville motd2 made the point on Villa how passive we were and that we didn't get about Chelsea
That Villa didn't address the right side issue and that he was surprised that this wasn't sorted out during the game.
Grealish and Targett weren't communication to do the job and responsibilities of cutting out the threat of the continuous crossing and danger from the right side.
It was nt noted or picked up that Grealish wasnt always the one who played left as he swapped with El Gahzi but they were highlighting Targett and Grealish on motd2 as not performing defensively.
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How predictable an irrelevant North London Derby first game up.
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How predictable an irrelevant North London Derby first game up.
Totally ! Relegation games should have been shown first.
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Arsenal are really suspect at set pieces. Need Hourihane to start that one again.
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Us and the Derby were the 2 games not free to air so it's not a surprise the went for this one.
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Worth watching again tonight !
They’re showing combinations, ooh.
The matches with us, Watford and Bournemouth are being interleaved by action, if that’s the right description.
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I thought Jenas analysis of how Leeds attacked Liverpool was really good.
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I will be watching this tonight ;D
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I hope Danny Murphy is a pundit.
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‘Sloppy play from Livdrpool’ before our 5 th goal
And Grealish
Villa have an incredible 6!
And we know what happens next
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And it’s an incredible 7!
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We’re incredible
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If the question tonight is ‘about Man Utd’ after today
Then what on earth is MOTD about?
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Was Danny Murphy busy washing his hair tonight? and how often did they show that McGinn tackle in the penalty area as if it may have been a pen? Bias much?
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Yeah we all want to see Newton Heath stroll to victory before a 3-3.
Wankers.
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The link Toronto shared for MOTD is brilliant. Thanks, TV.
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I'm enjoying MOTD more than I have in a very long time as we're never on last anymore, and our play has some fans amongst the pundits, which, as a sucker for flattery, gladdens me no end after its long absence.
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I still can’t get over Danny Murphy saying that we had set out to spoil the game against Leicester. What is he smoking?
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I'm enjoying MOTD more than I have in a very long time as we're never on last anymore, and our play has some fans amongst the pundits, which, as a sucker for flattery, gladdens me no end after its long absence.
Same here, I watch them multiple times this season. I can't recall that ever before.
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Are people enjoying motd more ?
Even if have watched the game live broadcast
I know there are other avenues to watch highlights online sooner than bbc show but I've added MOTD to my watch programmes a lot more because , well we are just so good, not that we need an excuse to watch how great we are but I have tuned in to motd
I record this show now and skip to the Villa highlights but even watch the 'analysis' because its all so positive if sometimes a little cliche or lacking of in depth insight to Villa by some pundits.
What I most like are the info graphics that gets shared and find the stats most entertaining and interesting.
The recent showing of motd highlights on boxing day showed the distances and sprints the Villa players have made.
For those who still enjoy the tradition or watch football via BBC then next 2 Motd (regarding Villa highlights)
Tuesday 1030pm to including v Chelsea highlights.
Saturday 1020pm 2nd Jan including Villa Man Utd from new years day.
Up the Villa
Definitely enjoying it more this year as I only watch when we either win or get a draw we weren’t expecting :-)
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Agree with Gareth, I only watch MOTD under those circumstances.
See you all later!
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Agree with Gareth, I only watch MOTD under those circumstances.
Generally the same here so obviously enjoying tonight's edition aside from wondering what the hell is going on with JJ's hair. Looks like he's had a hair transplant (even though I assume he hasn't).
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Agree with Gareth, I only watch MOTD under those circumstances.
Generally the same here so obviously enjoying tonight's edition aside from wondering what the hell is going on with JJ's hair. Looks like he's had a hair transplant (even though I assume he hasn't).
I loved our goals, and the ambition of the special set-ups, as well as Ramsey’s belter that just went wide. I hope SJM is OK.
I’ve been looking at JJ’s hair and you’re right, it does look a bit strange.
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They gushed over Brentford in the analysis of their win at Wolves for waaay longer than the time given to Villa. They were right to focus on Bailey but I also would have liked to seen Jenas or Keown earn their money with a deeper look at Luiz, Nakamba and Ramsey's dominance of the midfield in the second half.
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What's that? You want Jenas to analyse something?
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Yeah, I've got nothing particularly against Jenas as a bloke, but as a pundit he talks like someone who has a degree in customer services. So anodyne.
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They gushed over Brentford in the analysis of their win at Wolves for waaay longer than the time given to Villa. They were right to focus on Bailey but I also would have liked to seen Jenas or Keown earn their money with a deeper look at Luiz, Nakamba and Ramsey's dominance of the midfield in the second half.
I've not seen it, but I thought the Sky evening games could only have so much coverage anyway due to the way the rights work. It might be that they have less time to work on them then the afternoon ones or it has only just been on live anyway. Although I also expect the participants have a bearing if they are not locked down to a specific time limit.
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I thought it was the best coverage we've had on MOTD in a long time, they even nodded to the atmosphere between the goals in the edit.
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Although did I detect a slight hint of the "chinny reckons" from Lineker in his "OK..." response to Smith's explanation of why it took McGinn so long to be taken off.
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Anybody else looking forward to hearing how Danny Murphy is going to cope with SG’s Aston Villa winning on MOTD tonight?
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Dion gave a good analysis of Matthew Cash's display at Norwich and they also covered JJ's goal in detail.
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Villa West Ham Micah Richards on motd2 was talking about the balance in his analysis.
Skip to around 27m 30 seconds to hear, view and see footage of the analysis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001bms5/match-of-the-day-2-202223-28082022
He's done an article which had some of those comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62685677
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What the pundits said.
Watkins Ings and Coutinho individually very good but at times they didn't look like they knew what they were doing.
Lots of balls going down the channels
Ings working hard for the team but Coutinho not really giving an option in forward space as he was staying back .
Richards highlighted the space PC needed to go in rather than way back despite his liking to hit 40 yarders
Richards seemed exacerbated having Danny Ings crossing from the left
And "I can't get my head around that Ings should be in there (the box) but again he's (Danny Ings ) trying to be a team player he's overlapping his left back. I can't believe what I'm seeing Coutinho no where to be seen and you could see Ings frustration his hands in the air what is actually going on here"
Richards also talked about the players getting in each other s way including when Buendia came on . Watkins and Ings making the same run.
The balance is all off with the team.
Richards says "Bailey needs to be integrated into the team.
What's happening when full backs aren't high up the pitch the strikers are having to go wide and no one's in the centre "
Ashely Williams says " I don't know how long we can keep having the same conversation with two up front and Coutinho as it's clearly not working
Have to go 4-4-2 and probably no room for Coutinho doesn't feel right doesn't look right no fluidity. Taken 12 points from 45 available"
Richards says "have to make someone unhappy and play a bit of width and drop Ings or Watkins"
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Good to see Richards doing his job instead of just gurning for the cameras.
Keep it up.
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Good to see Richards doing his job instead of just gurning for the cameras.
Keep it up.
Agreed but he is still an annoying prick though
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Good to see Richards doing his job instead of just gurning for the cameras.
Keep it up.
Agreed but he is still an annoying prick though
No he isn't
He is a totally an utterly contemptible bellend and annoying prick
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Being schooled tactically by Micah dickhead Richards must be a new low.
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Being schooled tactically by Micah dickhead Richards must be a new low.
lol
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Being schooled tactically by Micah dickhead Richards must be a new low.
Maybe he'll be our next ma..........nope, can't do it, even in jest.
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I prefer him to Danny Murphy.
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I prefer him to Danny Murphy.
Yes that's sort of preferring diarrhea to constipation.
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The prick shouldn't be anywhere near a TV studio commenting on proper footballers. Ditto that fat twat on Talksport who used to light up these parts. When he could be arsed.
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Chris Sutton who predicts 3-0 to Arsenal is the co commentator on BT Sport 4
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The Premier League has told the 12 clubs playing today that their players and managers will not receive requests for Match of the Day interviews.
MOTD2 is tomorrow, including West Ham v Villa I do suspect they'll be a similar boycott. I was more inclined to watch MOTD2 tomorrow funnily enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64918162
I'm curious if viewers will also boycott these MOTD shows.
There are numerous ways to access content these days, and I particularly enjoy player interviews, which I hear or see sometimes before MOTD even airs. Same with match content. MOTD isn't one I watch live every week often, but I have it on series record and will catch up on Villa and other games in own time if i choose. I could catch the broadcast live maybe when we win though the beauty of having recording is that I can skip the 'analysis' if feel its not worthwhile. The irony is that there will be no punditry broadcasts at the moment!
I understand it's a traditional highlights show with some prestige and some football fans watch it religiously. Especially after going to a game it can fit it well at the end of the day to see the highlights.
Or Sunday morning.
Where are people with this and watching MOTD these days?
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The Premier League has told the 12 clubs playing today that their players and managers will not receive requests for Match of the Day interviews.
MOTD2 is tomorrow, including West Ham v Villa I do suspect they'll be a similar boycott. I was more inclined to watch MOTD2 tomorrow funnily enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64918162
I'm curious if viewers will also boycott these MOTD shows.
There are numerous ways to access content these days, and I particularly enjoy player interviews, which I hear or see sometimes before MOTD even airs. Same with match content. MOTD isn't one I watch live every week often, but I have it on series record and will catch up on Villa and other games in own time if i choose. I could catch the broadcast live maybe when we win though the beauty of having recording is that I can skip the 'analysis' if feel its not worthwhile. The irony is that there will be no punditry broadcasts at the moment!
I understand it's a traditional highlights show with some prestige and some football fans watch it religiously. Especially after going to a game it can fit it well at the end of the day to see the highlights.
Or Sunday morning.
Where are people with this and watching MOTD these days?
I have always recorded Match of the Day and fast forwarded through Lineker and the pundits on all occasions. No difference for me.
Watch it on a Sunday morning (unless Villa get hammered).
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I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
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I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
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I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
Thats my take on in.
I normally fast forward through most of the analysis and mostly avoid totally if we've had a bad weekend or maybe just watch the odd mad game.
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Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
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Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
That's a great point!
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Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
This is a big problem for the BBC - if MOTD is just reduced to a goals package then I can’t see the Premier League being very happy. It’s their main promotional vehicle on free to air TV in this country, and if it isn’t providing a full package then I can’t see the BBC retaining the rights to highlights in the next rights negotiation. Like it or not, MOTD is one of the BBCs Crown Jewels, lose it and it’s another nail in the coffin
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I'll take a punt and say Match of the Day (and the rest) will be back sooner or later and still be on air the next time a too-long-Tory government flails around in the mud looking for something weak to other.
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Two MOTD threads running.
Mods...do they need merging ?
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Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
Yes indeed, if viewing figures for tonight's programme are up on previous weeks the gloating from the Tories will be a treat.
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I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
Thats my take on in.
I normally fast forward through most of the analysis and mostly avoid totally if we've had a bad weekend or maybe just watch the odd mad game.
And for these very reasons I have not seen much of MOTD for the last 12 years. So we should be grateful to our owners for making us uncompetitive and shite.
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I wonder if whichever brainbox exec that thought ‘if we suspend him he will quit and we save Łx per year’ will be internally popular today :-)
If they wanted to discipline him then the time was after his remark about Ivan Toney betting whilst still an open investigation the other week.
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I wonder if whichever brainbox exec that thought ‘if we suspend him he will quit and we save Łx per year’ will be internally popular today :-)
One thing I've learnt over the years is that no employee, no matter how good, is indispensable, especially when they can be adequately replaced by someone on a quarter of their salary.
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I hope this screws the BBC's sport output and that they learn not to bow to tory pressure so much and stop being a tory mouthpiece.
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
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Even Adrian "Chipmunk" Chiles has been known to have an opinion, mostly about pointless inane drivel, but an opinion nontheless. Just because some fascists are currently in charge of the country shouldn't mean people are not allowed to express an opinion off air, it's not as though he used MOTD as a mouthpiece to broadcast his views. Cretinous BS of the highest order, and well done to the other presenters and the crew for refusing to work for this bunch of slack jawed muppets.
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
No, because it's absolute nonsense. The bias towards the left comes from things like their comedy and sports output, the bias to the right is in the news and political output. Trying to suggest those 2 balance each other out is exactly why we're in this trouble.
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Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
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Left wing sports output?
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Left wing sports output?
We're literally talking about a BBC sports presenter who has been stepped down over left-wing social media posts.
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
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Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
They dont, their pundits always seem to be centre forwards or defenders.
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Look up virtue signaller in the dictionary and that jug eared spunk dustbin will appear.
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
No, because it's absolute nonsense. The bias towards the left comes from things like their comedy and sports output, the bias to the right is in the news and political output. Trying to suggest those 2 balance each other out is exactly why we're in this trouble.
Good point.
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The Tories must be loving this. They get to fold their arms in a disapproving manor while dumping all the Matt Hancock/Whatapp stuff down the memory hole.
As for Gary and the gang, don't trouser a fortune in Qatar then waffle on about what great humanitarians you are.
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
They have been watching Bailey and don’t rate left footed right wingers?
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Bristol Rovers are the first team to declare a boycott of BBC interviews. More to follow ?
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-03-11/bristol-rovers-to-boycott-bbcs-match-of-the-day-interviews-to-support-lineker
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
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Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
The very notion that the BBC have any impartiality is laughable when you see how much power Tim Davie and Robbie Gibb have. Not to mention Johnson's banker.
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Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
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In the legal sense, he won't be an employee of the BBC, he'll be a contractor - although the word 'employee' being thrown around is understandable, so there's no guarantee he's got the same contractual obligations as directly employed staff would have.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
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Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
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Look up virtue signaller in the dictionary and that jug eared spunk dustbin will appear.
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
Sounds like someone could do with a hug.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
What's not to like ? Showing common decency and humanity for those being scapegoated by an uncaring nasty government.
On top of that he scored a shedload of goals including many for England, and having the good grace to never hit the back of the net against us at any level playing at Villa Park.
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Look up virtue signaller in the dictionary and that jug eared spunk dustbin will appear.
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
Agreed.
I usually have to turn the sound off for a couple of their commentators as well so I’m hoping they won’t turn up either and it’ll be just crowd sounds. I don’t feel the need to do this for Sky/BT/Prime/ITV, yes even Tyldesley.
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Yep, Lineker is the bad guy here, not the fuckers treating human beings like absolute shit.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
He worked at the World Cup as a BBC employee, paid by the BBC to present BBC coverage as he was contracted to.
So I've removed the libellous idiocy from your post.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I'm no fan of him as a presenter per se, but I absolutely support him on this issue. It's complete double standards by the BBC and smacks of a Tory plan to divert attention from the real story.
It's worked. What is impressive though, is the complete support he has from other presenters, pundits and commentators, not to mention production staff.
They will shake and make up, the story will have done its job and the government will carry on being corrupt, evil bastards making criminals of victims whilst trousering cash and lining their own nests.
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Sounds like the BBC don't have rights to the world feed for Premier League commentary. They're also lined up for a shoeing from the Premier League for not fulfilling the contract they have with them.
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Sounds like the BBC don't have rights to the world feed for Premier League commentary. They're also lined up for a shoeing from the Premier League for not fulfilling the contract they have with them.
Good. Play stupid games etc.
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Like going back in time.
As David Coleman would say....
Our second game is from the rent free stadium in London involving West ham and Aston villa. In recent years villa haven't had a good record against West ham but under the new stewardship of unai emery that may be about to change. The commentator is jonnie motswana and for those of you watching in black and white one of the teams is playing in claret and blue.
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Yep, Lineker is the bad guy here, not the fuckers treating human beings like absolute shit.
You do know that people can disagree with the government and also disagree with Lineker twattering about it though don’t you? Or they could agree with what he did in this instance but generally think he’s a twat and not be arsed if he’s on match of the day any more. There is more than one way to interpret.
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Sounds like the BBC don't have rights to the world feed for Premier League commentary. They're also lined up for a shoeing from the Premier League for not fulfilling the contract they have with them.
Good. Play stupid games etc.
Seems somewhat fitting https://youtu.be/es7K3LnVtW4
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Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
You needed to highlight the paragraph below that one as well though !
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Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No.
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Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
Part of the controversy though is about whether the BBC is applying these rules fairly and consistently across the board.
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Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
Part of the controversy though is about whether the BBC is applying these rules fairly and consistently across the board.
Yes I do understand that. Everybody the guidelines apply to should be held to the same standards, absolutely, but that doesn't mean that Lineker isn't guilty of breaching the rules.
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The BBC is run by a man that helped Johnson secure a very large loan and is a tory party donor, Shouldn't he step down? They employ Alan Sugar and Karen Brady, one a vocal tory support the other a tory member of the house of lords, shouldn't they step down? Michel Roux got the sack (sic) for advertising potatoes but Brady can vote in line with tory legislation?
If having no opinion is a prerequisite of working for the BBC then there will be no members of staff left. Lineker has made an opinion on a platform outside of his employer about a subjet he obviously has a strong emotional response to, on a subject that he isn't employed by the BBC to comment on, how does that affect his ability to discuss football?
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The BBC is run by a man that helped Johnson secure a very large loan and is a tory party donor, Shouldn't he step down? They employ Alan Sugar and Karen Brady, one a vocal tory support the other a tory member of the house of lords, shouldn't they step down? Michel Roux got the sack (sic) for advertising potatoes but Brady can vote in line with tory legislation?
If having no opinion is a prerequisite of working for the BBC then there will be no members of staff left. Lineker has made an opinion on a platform outside of his employer about a subjet he obviously has a strong emotional response to, on a subject that he isn't employed by the BBC to comment on, how does that affect his ability to discuss football?
This is they key point for me.
I tend to align with Risso on liking the BBC and i’d go further and think its a really important institution that would be missed if, as some in the Tory party would like, it went or fundamentally changed, and its goals of impartiality are an important aspect of it as an institution.
However, you highlight some key problems with this issue and the different standards in how Linekar is being treated, with the likes of Brady. I also find it hard to equate the impartiality of an organisation whose head, is more or less a donor to the Tory party and who must of had some role in the decision to stand Linekar down.
In its own way the action against Linekar is undermining its own goals of political impartiality.
However short lived, i like the fact theres been a bit of an ‘I’m spartacus’ amongst the well paid presenters and pundits to the not so well paid production staff.
But i do fear the Torys will see this as a win win, it deflects from their politicalisation of the migrant issue, whilst undermining the BBC at the same time. I struggle to understand anyone really disliking Linekar when he uses his privileged position to call these fuckers out for the horrible ultra right bastards they are.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
And Linekar is a freelancer
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
And Linekar is a freelancer
Leaving aside his long standing dedication to avoiding paying his fair share of tax, the impartiality rules apply to presenters whether they’re directly employed or if they use a PSC.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
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Yep, Lineker is the bad guy here, not the fuckers treating human beings like absolute shit.
You do know that people can disagree with the government and also disagree with Lineker twattering about it though don’t you? Or they could agree with what he did in this instance but generally think he’s a twat and not be arsed if he’s on match of the day any more. There is more than one way to interpret.
Of course, but the discussion here isn't about his the man and his ability as a presenter or indeed whether he is a "complete wanker" or not. I'm not keen on his presenting style and his pleading on behalf of Nick Pope the other week was unprofessional and pathetic but that has no real relevance here.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
Lineker is freelance isn't he?
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
A distinction which may be lost on many viewers. You have two people, who both appear on flagship BBC shows, one of whom is allowed to express her opinions freely and one of whom is not, the reason for that being to do with how the two shows are produced. The BBC can't really say it has a commitment to 'impartiality' when the specifics of a contract between the BBC and independent production companies allow an imbalance. Seems to me they should both be allowed to do it, or neither.
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
A distinction which may be lost on many viewers. You have two people, who both appear on flagship BBC shows, one of whom is allowed to express her opinions freely and one of whom is not, the reason for that being to do with how the two shows are produced. The BBC can't really say it has a commitment to 'impartiality' when the specifics of a contract between the BBC and independent production companies allow an imbalance. Seems to me they should both be allowed to do it, or neither.
Exactly, by doing what they have done the bbc have opened themselves up to all sorts of scrutiny about how they apply their impartiality agenda for want of a better word.
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The bit about risk been lower would seem important
The clause 15.3.13 has to be there for a reason and can’t simply be trumped by 15.3.15
Wonder if they’d have done anything if he had tweeted agreement with the government ?
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If the Government can not take any criticism, especially in a country where we all have a vote, then ask said person to take the criticism back and apologise, there is something fundamentally wrong with them.
His job within the BBC should not have anything to do with it. If working for the BBC means you give up your right to criticise, then maybe the BBC should not air shows like HIGNFY or Question Time.
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
And of course Alex Neil carried on editing The Spectator for years as a BBC politics presenter without any repercussions, so the BBC are picking and choosing.
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If the Government can not take any criticism, especially in a country where we all have a vote, then ask said person to take the criticism back and apologise, there is something fundamentally wrong with them.
His job within the BBC should not have anything to do with it. If working for the BBC means you give up your right to criticise, then maybe the BBC should not air shows like HIGNFY or Question Time.
HiGNFY is made by a different/outside production company I think.
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The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
And of course Alex Neil carried on editing The Spectator for years as a BBC politics presenter without any repercussions, so the BBC are picking and choosing.
The Stoke manager?
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I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
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Such a shame we didn’t see this level of solidarity when the BBC axed a great many news people and local radio workers.
MOTD will be better without the garbage spoken by the normal suspects. Seems that some of these so called presenters have fantastic agents to push their talentless clients to the BBC who then employ them in increasing levels. I for one will not miss Gollum Murphy , the Buffoon Richards. The waste of space Jenas and the rest of the parasites. Show us more football and not endless dribble from pundits.
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I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
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Talksport are Saying:
Match of the Day to be 20-minutes long with no commentary as grovelling BBC ‘don’t have Premier League world feed rights’
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I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
Maybe the BBC need to remove the Orwell statue and message from their own site and not have those that are running it so heavily involved with the Conservative Party if it is supposed to be so impartial.
It’s not like he said what he said while hosting MOTD.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
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He's not a wanker but his terrific to terrible pun-ratio is like 1 to 5 at best.
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The reality is that Tory attack dogs saw an opportunity to take the spotlight off the minutiae of the “small boats”, reinforcing generally positive headlines by interpreting Lineker in the way they did, whilst at the same time bashing another regular target, the BBC. It seems to have rather backfired. A generally “good week” for the government has fallen apart spectacularly.
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The reality is that Tory attack dogs saw an opportunity to take the spotlight off the minutiae of the “small boats”, reinforcing generally positive headlines by interpreting Lineker in the way they did, whilst at the same time bashing another regular target, the BBC. It seems to have rather backfired. A generally “good week” for the government has fallen apart spectacularly.
This 100%
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
Well said.
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Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
Whilst Brady has some profile away from the Apprentice, Sugar will be a nonentity without appearing on BBC. No one would care what he has to say and he will get no press coverage. So when he tweeted about Johnson, Labour and RMT etc he violated his BBC gained recognition. Same as Lineker.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
Well said.
Absolutely.
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
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The reality is that Tory attack dogs saw an opportunity to take the spotlight off the minutiae of the “small boats”, reinforcing generally positive headlines by interpreting Lineker in the way they did, whilst at the same time bashing another regular target, the BBC. It seems to have rather backfired. A generally “good week” for the government has fallen apart spectacularly.
Perception is everything in terms of political popularity. If the feeling is "The tories are spoiling the footy on the telly" that can stick like the Trussenomics fiasco come election time.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
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It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
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You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Agree on the wording, could have been different but it was necessary to raise the profile of issue he felt as unjust. So it’s rather remiss to say he didn’t think it was going to be an issue, in fact he probably wanted it to be as large as it is now.
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
He might be both those things……but that doesn’t stop him being right about the Government.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Risso for those of us not paying attention at the back I’ve often seen these allegations thrown at him about tax avoidance, what’s the story? I had heard he’d been swept up in the IR35 shenanigans a decade or so ago is it that?
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
Probably strengthens the point about freedom of speech regardless of who it is and what the motivation is behind preventing it.
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Risso for those of us not paying attention at the back I’ve often seen these allegations thrown at him about tax avoidance, what’s the story? I had heard he’d been swept up in the IR35 shenanigans a decade or so ago is it that?
No, about ten years ago he took part in a devious tax avoidance scheme that was defeated and he had to pay Ł5m in tax, penalties and interest. Since then, he’s been using his PSC to contract with the BBC. HMRC have taken the view that somebody who presents a telly programme every week in a set format should probably be considered an employee and taxed accordingly. In this rare instance, I completely agree with them. MOTD existed long before Lineker appeared, he has to present it in a set way and there’s no risk to him in doing so. If he leaves as now looks likely, somebody else will just come in a do much the same sort of job.
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I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
But nobody is going to confuse stuff Gary Lineker writes on Twitter with the reasoned thoughts of the BBC's political correspondent on News at 10.
I think we as a country need to be very careful not to start banning people in the public eye from having & stating their political opinions. Obviously there's some nuance in that - someone like George Alagiah needs to be a little more careful around how he presents his opinions, because he holds a position where people expect him to provide the impartial news from which they'll form opinions. But for 99% of the BBC's employees they're simply not in that situation, and honestly nobody thinks that Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Neville are providing them with an impartial view on the state of affairs.
It's a load of bollocks, and everyone knows it's a load of bollocks. It's a non-issue that's most likely been hyped up because someone wants to create a distraction.
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Agreed. As someone who also works in this way I make damn sure my IR35 status is determined from both sides well before starting any contract. His role at the BBC would seem to be inside IR35 with obviously scant knowledge of his contract.
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Agreed. As someone who also works in this way I make damn sure my IR35 status is determined from both sides well before starting any contract. His role at the BBC would seem to be inside IR35 with obviously scant knowledge of his contract.
Not so sure how you can say that without knowing the details (as you said, scant knowledge)?
He also works for BT Sport, for example, and runs a podcasting company. I am sure, whatever his situation, he'll have had people being careful with that on his behalf.
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Wha
Agreed. As someone who also works in this way I make damn sure my IR35 status is determined from both sides well before starting any contract. His role at the BBC would seem to be inside IR35 with obviously scant knowledge of his contract.
Not so sure how you can say that without knowing the details (as you said, scant knowledge)?
He also works for BT Sport, for example, and runs a podcasting company. I am sure, whatever his situation, he'll have had people being careful with that on his behalf.
As I’m sure will be found to be the case when the case is decided, there’s no way on god’s green earth that he shouldn’t be an employee when presenting MOTD.
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Runs the best Podcast Company in the UK, which should have been obvious given the name- blindspot for me there! I've never really minded him and I appreciate his persistent effort at awful dad joke style puns. The Villa affect whether I watch MOTD or not and its been mainly not for the past decade.
His brother on the other hand...
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
Ok fair enough. Like I said earlier I think his arrogance meant that he thought he could say what he liked. In terms of the language used he should have stuck to the concerns he had about the specific government policy and it’s likely effects.
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MOTD cut to just 20 minutes tonight.
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You're kidding? Jeez. They shouldn't even bother.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
Ok fair enough. Like I said earlier I think his arrogance meant that he thought he could say what he liked. In terms of the language used he should have stuck to the concerns he had about the specific government policy and it’s likely effects.
Surely he can say whatever he wants, on any subject he pleases?
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Apparently not!
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
Well I suppose what I think of the Beeb is coloured byR4 as that’s pretty much what I consume these days when I’m in the car.
It’s very fair, they get right into the ribs of politicians of all hues, Ive never voted anything but Labour in all my years on this earth but if anything, they seem to give our boys and girls and slightly easier ride, maybe understandably because there isn’t any power to hold to account.
In short, I don’t think the Beeb is institutionally biased.
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The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
You keep going down this line and, frankly, it's horseshit. I know the BBC guidelines inside out through 20 years of having to abide by them and having to go on a pointless awareness course every time "talent" or an idiot, arrogant manager fucks them up. Genuinely pointless courses given I have no social media and never have.
They are applied on a totally ad hoc basis. The point behind them - and again, I've sat through hours of cnuts in loafers telling me this after someone else has screwed up - is you don't link your views to your BBC output. So, a hack on BBC news is pretty much gagged. A presenter of BBC political programme is (meant to be but it's a very moveable feast) gagged. A freelance football pundit isn't, unless an idiot in NBH decides to go down the route of panicking over the reactions of politicians or newspapers. A presenter on a bought in show, even one that does more to inform the public on business than any other, isn't bound by them UNLESS the BBC bosses choose to make them. If the BBC had any kind of consistency, The Apprentice wouldn't be on the BBC anymore or Gary Lineker would be. Jump around who produces what as much as you like, this is simply the BBC falling over itself to avoid a scandal and, as is fairly common, instead placing itself in the middle of one.
To be very clear, Gary Lineker and Alan Sugar can write whatever they like on their social media in ways that BBC employees can't. Everything beyond that is a choice of BBC management.
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I’d kindly point out that the rules have changed since you moved on.
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I'd kindly point out that the rules are applied on the whim of BBC management. If they'd not shat themselves (and believe me this isn't a grand conspiracy of the right) they would have said they disagree with his choice of wording and they will be speaking with him about that. Instead, they took a position and are now in deep, as is so common with them.
Alan Sugar and Andrew Neill broke the (old) rules, but as those rules are at the whim of BBC managers, they weren't subject to consequences. Neither was Lineker on previous times he has broken old and new rules. Until now. This is a story of BBC idiocy and inconsistency, nothing else.
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I'd kindly point out that the rules are applied on the whim of BBC management. If they'd not shat themselves (and believe me this isn't a grand conspiracy of the right) they would have said they disagree with his choice of wording and they will be speaking with him about that. Instead, they took a position and are now in deep, as is so common with them.
Alan Sugar and Andrew Neill broke the (old) rules, but as those rules are at the whim of BBC managers, they weren't subject to consequences. Neither was Lineker on previous times he has broken old and new rules. Until now. This is a story of BBC idiocy and inconsistency, nothing else.
I agree that the rules should be applied consistently. That doesn’t mean that ignoring Lineker again is the right course of action though.
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We do indeed agree. Genuinely happy days. If they don't want people on the BBC airing views, apply it equally across the board. If I - a no-mark, ten-a-penny hack - had said stop Corbyn or the Tories use 1930s language, I'd have been out on my arse with a couple of burly security guards making sure I landed on it.
The problem with the BBC has always been the people at the top and their HR stasi not realising that they have the easiest job in UK public life and they just have to not balls it up.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
What's not to like ? Showing common decency and humanity for those being scapegoated by an uncaring nasty government.
On top of that he scored a shedload of goals including many for England, and having the good grace to never hit the back of the net against us at any level playing at Villa Park.
I strongly agree.
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Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
:) That thought had crossed my mind once or twice during this brouhaha.
Based on a couple of things I've about Lineker's antics over the years, Hookeysmith's description of him was, if anything, overly kind.
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We're on party lines again though aren't we? Only the Tories defending it. Not saying they're wrong (although obviously they are) but it is a bit rich to say "I'm the one being objective here". No you're not, you're defending the shithouses same as you have been last 13 years
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Whether you like him or not shouldn’t really come into this. It’s the way the Government have created this issue in the first place which is the thing that is wrong. The shouts from within Government to close him down is also very wrong and so is the way the BBC have handled it.
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I think the Government will be absolutely overjoyed at how this has played out, they are very, very good at distraction.
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He’s (inadvertently) instigated a pro-migrant wildcat strike. I like him this week.
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I think the Government will be absolutely overjoyed at how this has played out, they are very, very good at distraction.
Yep, it was a distraction tactic in the first place with a policy which is illegal and can’t actually happen. Now it’s resulted in a huge distraction and depending on what side of the fence you sit either the BBC are the bad people or Lineker is.
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I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
Or maybe they just allow their presenters to have opinions on social media as long as they don't preach while on air?
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It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
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I think the Government will be absolutely overjoyed at how this has played out, they are very, very good at distraction.
Oh absolutely.
Unfortunately its been a perfect week for them pretty much.
Huge distraction issue over migrant crossings and a handy percentage of the population pour scorn on the wrong targets, which should be this government and what it now represents.
Let's throw the hand grenade into the room, and we'll piss off and leave the BBC and Lineker to deal with the damage.
Extremely well played!
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We've moved onto familiar territory. Underfund, underman, run down then say it's not fit for purpose and should be privatised. Just like the utility companies, railways, education, NHS...
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It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill
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I've just seen this which gives a slightly different perspective as it is from Ireland (unfortunately it does involve Mark Lawrenson).
https://youtu.be/M62PN5OVQYk
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Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
Well I suppose what I think of the Beeb is coloured byR4 as that’s pretty much what I consume these days when I’m in the car.
I also get most of my BBC hours in via R4 and I’d say that their interviewers are generally good at asking the right questions of the government, though I frequently get frustrated at the way they move on from a question that has only been partially answered or where lies and fake statistics have been conjured up. I perhaps leniently attribute this to the short time slots allotted to interviewees.
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It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill
There's some heavy lifting in that article!
"I don't really hate the Tories and all they stand for, I just tweet that stuff to avoid a bit of tax".
Bollocks really isn't it?
I mean, I don't doubt he avoids tax, most rich bastards do, but he doesn't do it by tweeting about how the Tories are ******.
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The chair of the Beeb, Richard Sharpe, is a man who is a Tory donor and chums with Boris (the liar) Johnson having helped arrange an Ł800k loan for him.
Johnson then recommended Sharpe to be the Chair of the BBC to the Privvy council who appointed him.
So Lineker gets the kitchen sink thrown at him, for making some pretty accurate comparisons about the kind of dog-whistle language being used. Yet the chair of his organisation is about as politically neutral as Thatcher.
The Beeb is in a Tory created pickle and they need to make some good decisions to get through this crisis.
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Match of the day will better without any presenters. Hope the change is permanent.
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Much better without commentary or big six bias punditry however tories are still twats for trying to put through internationalist bullshit laws on the sly, hate big six don't like this government love villa utv
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The right love banging on about freedom of speech until somebody says something they don’t like or criticises them. Snowflakes indeed.
Love Villa, hate the Tories.
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Anyway, the most important point about all this is that I now, thanks to Lucy Verasamy, and ITV, have a better idea about the weather for tomorrow than I otherwise may have.
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A chance to watch Sully again. Thank you Gary.
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Anyway, the most important point about all this is that I now, thanks to Lucy Verasamy, and ITV, have a better idea about the weather for tomorrow than I otherwise may have.
If Lucy presents MOTD it will be a much better proposition
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A chance to watch Sully again. Thank you Gary.
You're welcome, it's also on Tuesday at 10.40pm if you want to watch it again.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
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I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
Given one of the main points of contention here was an inapt comparison, I find your choice of the Taliban rather interesting.
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I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
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Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
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Just watched it.
To be honest it was rubbish without the banter, analysis and interviews. Too short.
I enjoy having the 'fast forward' option when Micah, Murphy and a few others are on air.
I hope 'normal service is resumed as soon as possible'. :(
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I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
Applause
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
I enjoyed it. I dont usually watch it because of 'all the banter' and pompous hosts and commentators. I wouldnt normally have watched last night as there was no Villa involvement but I wanted to support the programme being buffoon free.
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I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
Its a really excellent post. The Torys know their policy around this wont work and they don’t care as the point of is not its success or failure, its a party political policy in build up to a general election, to play on some peoples concerns and whip up hatred. They really are a shower.
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Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?
Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
Apparently I'm an outlier on here, but I quite like Lineker as a host. The pundits are hit & miss - I get the impression that a lot of can't offer much more insight than Gerrard's "moments of magic", maybe because like him a lot of their ability had been through instinct rather than having to consciously work on it. I don't know though. One of the female pundits they have on, I forget her name but she was working at the world cup, is dead good and could actually offer bits of insight that weren't absolutely bloody obvious from watching the coverage.
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Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?
Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
I’m beginning to think this is entirely the point.
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Excellent post markeeeebeeee2005
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
It’s normally about an hour isn’t it? I never watch all of it only the Villa bits so I wonder if a producer is trying to make a point that of that hour 40 minutes of it is Lineker and Co chatting?
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The comment on the front page of the Mail this morning must be one of the most Ironic ever.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
It’s normally about an hour isn’t it? I never watch all of it only the Villa bits so I wonder if a producer is trying to make a point that of that hour 40 minutes of it is Lineker and Co chatting?
Depends of number of games but It usually starts around 10.20 to 10.30 and runs anything from 11.30 to 12.00
Anyway, more football and less prattle (including commentary) is fine by me. I think somehow I’d miss commentary on live matches though, and maybe a bit of half time studio chatter.
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Just watched it.
To be honest it was rubbish without the banter, analysis and interviews. Too short.
I enjoy having the 'fast forward' option when Micah, Murphy and a few others are on air.
I hope 'normal service is resumed as soon as possible'. :(
I don't see how they come back from this now. Lineker won't be back unless either he makes a massive climb down, which he won't if he's got any principles and values. Sadly, the BBC don't have any bollocks (well they do, it's just that right-wingers are busy playing with them).
Then anyone who agrees to take his place will immediately be labelled as a scab.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
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There is a very clear overlap on this thread.
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This thread has only crossed over due to the situation last week which the two subject became linked.
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
They can't though. The reason to have the in-house team is for filler as in most cases they use the limit of the amount of highlights they can show a match contractually.
TBH, the show probably became an irrelevance the moment the Sky Sports website (plus others) could show the goals to people for free within an hour of the game finishing. Prior to that MotD used to be the only place to see the goals for a second time if at the match or first time if not.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
If I didn't know better I'd say you were a Tory trying to stifle debate about shit they are. 😉
The very topic is the talk of the nation, and football and politics, in this case, are inextricably linked.
The unfortunate truth is that the government of the day are trying to silence one of the most popular sports broadcasters there is. It will end badly.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
You could just choose not to read it.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
Don’t see how you could do this. Football isn’t in some untouched place outside society/politics. The way it’s run, ownership issues, the way the fans are treated, the way the players are walking billboards for betting companies, it’s all political, isn’t it?
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
Don’t see how you could do this. Football isn’t in some untouched place outside society/politics. The way it’s run, ownership issues, the way the fans are treated, the way the players are walking billboards for betting companies, it’s all political, isn’t it?
My understanding is this is a MOTD thread, and it's very current issue so nothing is off the table in discussions so it's inevitable comments and opinions are going to have some elements of politics. Live and let live in regards to discussion. And debate if you feel that needs be or not.
Anyhow..
MOTD 2 tonight Sunday West Ham v Villa highlights.
MOTD 2 programme, which regular airs on Sundays throughout the season, does have a focus directly on football matters here in Villa related material and it is connected to the ongoing situation.
What is the latest information regarding how, if at all, it will be broadcast this evening and on the iPlayer feature? And under what guise? Commentary? Hosts? Furthermore, the player and management interviews from West Ham vs. Villa are possible not to be shown if it's the same as MOTD Saturday
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Was there any post that didn’t relate to the MOTD situation Hookey?
There are other threads.
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MOTD2 will be much reduced format again tonight.
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
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I only ever watch MOTD after I've recorded it and fast forward through everything other than the football and the analysis of our game. And that's only if we have a favourable result. I don't bother if we've lost.
I watched bit of it last night albeit 3 parts pissed. It just came across as a highlights package.
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Sorry, forgot to add:
Tory Bastards!
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Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?
Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
And Qatar is them foreign people and Muslim as well so fair game as they are bound to be doing something wrong unlike that decent kind hearted ultra intelligent Suella and Co.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
If you say that then you'd have to stop the pun-athons that usually last for 2 or 3 pages before getting back on topic. Though I'm not sure if you're being ironic, if you are then fair play
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
What exactly were you expecting to find in a thread about Match Of The Day given the news cycle of the last 72 hours?
And to answer your original, no, we cannot agree on that rule. But thanks for the suggestion anyway.
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“Can the moderators agree that we only talk about football rather than politics on a thread which is about politics more than football?”
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Excellent post markeeeebeeee2005
Yes indeed, superb.There is an impression formed in publics mind by our totally irresponsible Government that these hordes are rampaging through Europe aided and abetted by those governments to get to UK. This is never challenged by the media and true facts never told for balance.
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Hookey, if you’re still here (you are aren’t you).
Feel free to set out a different point of view. You can start with my post if you like 😉. Just don’t ask for silence if anybody decides to respond to you. It’s a dangerous path.
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I think one of the beauties of H & V threads is that they can digress off in any direction.
You go to catch up on Rat Boy or Tyrone Mings and the lastest pages are a punfest on fish or a debate on red or brown sauce.
As far as politics should be kept out of sport. I've been hearing that since the 1960s, often but not always from people who would happily have seen apartheid still existing today in South Africa.
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A chance to watch Sully again. Thank you Gary.
You're welcome, it's also on Tuesday at 10.40pm if you want to watch it again.
Cheers Gary. I do my hair on Tuesdays so will set up the VCR. Do you know the recording code?
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Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
They can't though. The reason to have the in-house team is for filler as in most cases they use the limit of the amount of highlights they can show a match contractually.
TBH, the show probably became an irrelevance the moment the Sky Sports website (plus others) could show the goals to people for free within an hour of the game finishing. Prior to that MotD used to be the only place to see the goals for a second time if at the match or first time if not.
Ah I see, fair enough.
I too get fucked off with political stuff entering our otherwise great football chat but thankfully it doesn’t really happen outside of some of the off topic threads which are dedicated to it. In this case it couldn’t really be avoided and I think is a good topic to discuss.
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Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
Given one of the main points of contention here was an inapt comparison, I find your choice of the Taliban rather interesting.
Thanks Rory. Yes a ridiculous comparison.
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It'll be interesting to see how this ends. Presumably the BBC's contract with the Premier League is going to include certain requirements about promotion of their brand and style of coverage.
So if this carries on much longer surely the BBC is likely to find themselves in breach of contract?
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MOTD2 will be much reduced format again tonight.
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
Thanks. So a much reduced MOTD2 format again.
So apart from MOTD 2 for Villa related match action today we are looking at ( for those in UK)
Sky Customers:
Those with access to the sports can highlights of our match tonight. 1030pm on schedule EPG
Sky Sports Premier League is a channel that broadcasts the Premier League. So it appears as West Ham vs. Villa 30 min highlights (with commercials)
Sky Sports YouTube and Website content is free to view though via online/tv .
Offering of 3 minute or so highlights will be available later today after the game and as always much sooner than MOTD l/MOTD2 highlights.
Villa TV subscriptions allow for re run of match and can access these as well. Currently 1.99 a month.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
This forum stems from a football fanzine, it's the whole reason it exists.
Fanzines started mainly as a reaction to the politicising of football during the Thatcher era, the whole ID card issues etc.
Football and politics are inextricably intertwined and always will be.
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I too get fucked off with political stuff entering our otherwise great football chat but thankfully it doesn’t really happen outside of some of the off topic threads which are dedicated to it. In this case it couldn’t really be avoided and I think is a good topic to discuss.
The discussions started in the small boats thread, with an additional new MOTD one in Other Football when the Lineker removal had been made. The only reason it has now spilled over here was because someone decided to raise a four month old thread used mainly to discuss Villa on MotD (even though we were not on it last night) instead of using the dedicated one created for the situation.
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I feel like we're living in a South Park episode.
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I feel like we're living in a Till Death Do Us Part episode.
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I feel like we're living in a South Park episode.
Which episode?
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In order to show solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton, Leeds and West Ham have announced that they won't be appearing on Match of The Day from next season.
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MOTD2 will be much reduced format again tonight.
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
Thanks. So a much reduced MOTD2 format again.
So apart from MOTD 2 for Villa related match action today we are looking at ( for those in UK)
Sky Customers:
Those with access to the sports can highlights of our match tonight. 1030pm on schedule EPG
Sky Sports Premier League is a channel that broadcasts the Premier League. So it appears as West Ham vs. Villa 30 min highlights (with commercials)
Sky Sports YouTube and Website content is free to view though via online/tv .
Offering of 3 minute or so highlights will be available later today after the game and as always much sooner than MOTD l/MOTD2 highlights.
Villa TV subscriptions allow for re run of match and can access these as well. Currently 1.99 a month.
Dodgy chipped firestick.
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Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?
Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
And Qatar is them foreign people and Muslim as well so fair game as they are bound to be doing something wrong unlike that decent kind hearted ultra intelligent Suella and Co.
As if to prove the point...fuck me can't you just talk about how good / shit MOTD will be in the current climate rather than constantly having to say some shit like that. It's becoming as boring as twitter
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In order to show solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton, Leeds and West Ham have announced that they won't be appearing on Match of The Day from next season.
There is a genuinely funny post abut a current football topic without the " bring down the government "
Thank you
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Why are you reading the thread if it's winding you up that much? I don't get it.
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If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
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OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
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Well may I ask what you expected to see in a thread about MOTD given what's happened the last few days? Sydney Opera House perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plains
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If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
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Hookey. You’re still here. Good.
Please feel free to come back on any of the points raised rather than trying to quieten debate or score cheap points. Start with my post if you fancy? It’s about the Beeb, MOTD and the Government. Sure you’ve spotted it.
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It's not about having an opinion, that happened last night. The problem is markeee posted something difficult for you to dismiss so you threw a strop and told everyone to 'stay in lane'.
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
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If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
You seem really angry about people expressing opinions on this, the MoTD thread only really got back up and running because of this issue and you obviously keep coming back to it, its bizarre.
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In order to show solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton, Leeds and West Ham have announced that they won't be appearing on Match of The Day from next season.
Good one
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It's as though people are talking about MOTD and the content, or lack of last night, and the reasons why on a thread titled "MOTD".
We could talk about the punditry, bias towards clubs etc if there'd actually been any presenters, pundits or commentators.
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If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
Seriously - no one is going to be saying much else about MOTD right now are they? I am pretty sure you are not checking back to see if anyone has said anything about ‘the lack of ability of the presenters’. It’s pretty clear that ‘lack of presenters’ and the reasons for that is the only thing keeping a MOTD thread right near the top of the main discussion board right now.
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It's not about having an opinion, that happened last night. The problem is markeee posted something difficult for you to dismiss so you threw a strop and told everyone to 'stay in lane'.
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
It's hardly a strop. It just seems that we could discuss the shape of the ball and it would descend into a political rant by some and the government will be blamed or more specifically "fucking Tories" for something or other.
If there are any Tory villa fans on here, and for the record i am not, then I would imagine they feel bullied somewhat to ever air thier views as they would be rounded on.
No other minority group on here would be treated like that (blues fans aside)
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/good-riddance-to-virtue-signalling-football-pundits/ar-AA18uWTI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9e870be7c6754ce1a96154b36cfd3f5c&ei=13
Not often i agree with the torygraph but this is a good summation
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It'll be interesting to see how this ends. Presumably the BBC's contract with the Premier League is going to include certain requirements about promotion of their brand and style of coverage.
So if this carries on much longer surely the BBC is likely to find themselves in breach of contract?
This was indeed raised yesterday in some quarters, they’re also in breach of accessibility rules that require them to provide commentary for partially or non sighted.
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OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
You haven’t shared an opinion though. You’ve just tried to shut down debate because you don’t like what you’re hearing.
Post away, but don’t be upset if people disagree.
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I hope we fucking smash West Ham today, they're the football wing of the Tory party.
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A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
This forum stems from a football fanzine, it's the whole reason it exists.
Fanzines started mainly as a reaction to the politicising of football during the Thatcher era, the whole ID card issues etc.
Football and politics are inextricably intertwined and always will be.
Very good point. Even starting a football zine back then was often seen as a political act, regardless of content.
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It's not about having an opinion, that happened last night. The problem is markeee posted something difficult for you to dismiss so you threw a strop and told everyone to 'stay in lane'.
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
It's hardly a strop. It just seems that we could discuss the shape of the ball and it would descend into a political rant by some and the government will be blamed or more specifically "fucking Tories" for something or other.
If there are any Tory villa fans on here, and for the record i am not, then I would imagine they feel bullied somewhat to ever air thier views as they would be rounded on.
No other minority group on here would be treated like that (blues fans aside)
I’m a lifelong labour voter and literally hate the Tories, but don’t get involved in political chats anymore because even I feel Like a right winger with some of you right up your own arse hard left twats
only ever one point of view every debate goes downs rabbit hole of boring pointscoring and absolutely pathetic pile ons
I live in a primarily Tory area most of my friends are Tory but I also know quite well people involved in local politics for the Labour and a good friend stood for parliament as Labour MP
so I get both sides hard right and left and everyone of them to a man/women an absolute Hatefilled twat
Them Corbanista’s were the worst filled with as much jealousy and spite as any right winger I’ve met, I’m glad they’ve fucked off now
and that comes from someone who’s nickname down the pub is lefty (amongst others)
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I feel like now would be a good time for us to workshop the Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
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Like John Ldon said...Anger is an energy.
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Like John Ldon said...Anger is an energy.
You could be wrong you could be right.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
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I hope we are not fucking conservative today and go all out for a win. But of course we will have to Labour hard to do that and not be too liberal with giving the ball away.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Yes rubber neckers.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Doesn't seem to have helped attendances at the Sty.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
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Will be interesting to see what they make of the 2 penalty shouts in our game. Oh.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
What was the average watch time? I'd imagine it's the Tv equivalent of rubber necking a motor way accident.
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Will be interesting to see what they make of the 2 penalty shouts in our game. Oh.
Lee Hendry on SSN said it was soft.
Not sure what he said about the penalty decision.
He also said that we asked questions of West Ham. Which is nice.
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BBC accidentally discover new improved match of the day format. No more need to fast forward anymore.
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More people watched it live - as I did as opposed to Sky+ing it & flicking through it the following morning - as it was an historical artefact. Downplayed nicely by the announcer, it was quite a surreal experience.
I wonder what would have happened if we slap bang in the middle of a World Cup?
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Some of those will be migrants: African car observers.
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Last night a lot probably watched for the novelty factor. The whole point of MoTD is the format which includes the punditry, commentary etc. Anyone wanting to watch just for the main incidents can do that hours earlier online or on Sky if they have it.
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I feel like we're living in a South Park episode.
Which episode?
Can't wait til South Park do Happy Valley.
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I just want to ask MarkBeeee what his source is for the figures he mentions in his post 275?
Do you have the numbers for people accepted as well as the number pf applications?
Also I don't understand the 2.2 million for Germany reference? What is that figure for?
Thank you
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
Fair enough, need to rewatch it myself as it must be over 25 years since I last saw it. I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
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F**k the BBC
F**k the snowflake right wing sulkers
And
F**k Lineker. He’s had too much of ‘our’ money for a long time.
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
Fair enough, need to rewatch it myself as it must be over 25 years since I last saw it. I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
It had that one great like that Silvio often impersonated in the Sopranos, art imitating art and all that and Andy Garcia was good, otherwise i thought Godfather III was a let down in comparison to the first two masterpieces.
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
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I just want to ask MarkBeeee what his source is for the figures he mentions in his post 275?
Do you have the numbers for people accepted as well as the number pf applications?
Also I don't understand the 2.2 million for Germany reference? What is that figure for?
Thank you
No probs Colin. Those stats are from the United Nations based on some Googling. They should have all the details you need. Just out and about otherwise I’d have a look for you.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html
36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
It would have been almost impossible for it to live up to the first two movies but sounds like it's worth watching it again. If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
Agree the book is also very good, at least I thought so when I read it in the mid-80s.
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
I watched all 3 on consecutive days, having not even heard of them when I watched the first one. Anyway, my impression was much the same, the first 2 were excellent, the third was fine - maybe not as good as the first 2, but pretty good still. I enjoyed all of them.
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OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
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https://apple.news/AOvLALGjLQK6CLa-8A0MhFg
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
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https://apple.news/AOvLALGjLQK6CLa-8A0MhFg
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
If Lineker had gone Davie wouldn't have been far behind.
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
It would have been almost impossible for it to live up to the first two movies but sounds like it's worth watching it again. If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
Agree the book is also very good, at least I thought so when I read it in the mid-80s.
Part 3 is nowhere near as bad as is made out, but yeah, when you compare a decent film to two classics it's never going to match up.
Andy Garcia was very good, I thought, but his relationship with Michael was underdeveloped, and unfortunately Sofia Coppola was miscast. There was no chemistry between her or any of the other characters.
As much as I love Pacino, he was also well on the way from the genius of Parts I & II, Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico etc to the shouty incarnation featured in Rob Brydon's impressions.
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I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
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I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
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I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
😁
I did feel a little liberated saying I'm not bothered about The Godfather, I usually keep my fat mouth shut because I know absolutely no-one agrees with me. *runs off and watches Cocaine Bear instead*
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I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
😁
I did feel a little liberated saying I'm not bothered about The Godfather, I usually keep my fat mouth shut because I know absolutely no-one agrees with me. *runs off and watches Cocaine Bear instead*
I'm aware this makes me sound like a total ******, but when it comes to art there are no right or wrong opinions, there are only responses.
If nobody agrees with you about the Godfather, it doesn't mean you're wrong. I think both parts 1 & 2 are brilliant, but I prefer 1 and nobody I know agrees with me!
Anyway, erm, MOTD... yeah.
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OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
Patronising git (winky thing)
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I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans.
Leave the pun; talk about the goalie.
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According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
What did you think?
EDIT: forget it, saw your later post. Agree about Andy Garcia being good in it.
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OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
Patronising git (winky thing)
You've been talking to my wife...
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The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
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The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
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Funny how the Lineker thing has taken ALL the limelight across media and social media channels. The actual migrant bill itself, Hancock's What'sApp messages and general Tory incompetence seem to have vanished into the ether as a result - Fancy that??
Standard Tory tactics, similar to the dog from Pixar's Up - SQUIRREL!
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
Me also. Nor Goodfellas. I don't even like pizza.
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I’d be quite happy if he never came back on the BBC.
He has been there too long.
Need some fresh people.
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The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
You keep repeating this bit but I think you're misreading his post to get to that conclusion:
There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?
that a 47 word post, not a thorough analysis of the rise of naziism in 1930s Germany.
He's correct that there is no huge influx.
He's correct on the number of refugees we take.
He's correct that the policy is cruel and directed at very vulnerable people.
So the entire point of contention that you keep going back to is "language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" but you seem to be taking that in a specific way and inferring a lot more into it than you should be.
He didn't compare the government to Nazis.
He didn't say the policy was fascist.
He didn't claim refugees are being treated the same as jews were in the 30s.
He didn't imply in any way that this will lead to anything further.
He simply said the language isn't dissimilar to that of the time. That's a really fucking low bar, literally any document from 1930s Germany referring to Jews as a plague/invasion/animals/etc or as a problem the country needed to address urgently is enough to prove him right and finding examples like that doesn't take long.
Maybe he didn't have to make the comparison and maybe it can lead to misinformation amongst his followers but if that's a problem then it's no worse than the misinformation that is coming from the government about immigration.
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Spot on Paul e
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If Lineker comes back to MOTD next weekend it will probably get its best viewership for years. Curiosity, rubber necks et all.
But after that, I reckon the viewership numbers could go down.
MOTD has become a 'habit' for a lot of people and we watch it out of tradition. We have not bothered to watch the highlights/analysis on the many other platforms available. Until last weekend.
Will think twice about watching MOTD in future. Lineker is fine but too many pundits just state the obvious time and time again and are stealing a living.
Most of us are now capable of putting our own 'more tailored' package together through Youtube/podcasts etc and last weekend the opportunity presented itself.
BBC/MOTD may have shot itself in the foot.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
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This review will be interesting and could have a massive impact on the corporation. Restrictions on employees other than those in News and current affairs, airing their opinions could lead to an exodus of presenters and contributers and would be unnecessary imo.
Portillo's political opinion has no impact on his train programmes no more than Linekers does on MOTD. This whole furore stems from undue influence putting pressure on the BBC and I'd like to see the licence fee and appointments transfered form the Government of the day and decided by cross party committees.
I'll still won't be watching MOTD if we've lost though.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
ooh Yeah !
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
What MotD really needs, and has for a long time, is to offer something extra and, importantly, to remove any bias from that. They have time after the games to talk with people, get stats, opinions, etc and present things far more factually. Top of the list of things I'd like to see is them have time with the refs to go through controversial decisions and really push for answers on why x is different to y, for example.
To be fluffier, the job should be to find out what fans will be talking about on forums/SM in the pub and cover it with a balanced 'report'. That should include not being afraid to say someone has cheated or made a mistake.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.
We use it quite a lot in our house - but it's basically 90% 6 Music and BBC 4, with the other 5% occasional football for me, drama for the Mrs, pretty much none of which is viewed 'live'.
I read an article last year (I think) on this, and it used Radio 1 as the example - something which for our generation when we were younger was ubiquitous and socially important, but is now basically a flagship product whose audience is a demographic which doesn't listen to live radio.
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In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
ooh Yeah !
She was truly awful in that film, one of the most wooden performances I've ever seen. Not surprised she moved the other side of the camera.
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It was going to be Winona Ryder playing that role... but she dropped out at the last minute.
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It was going to be Winona Ryder playing that role... but she dropped out at the last minute.
Probably had some urgent shopping to do.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
MOTD is going the same way that TOTP went. Used to be a genuinely flagship programme but it’s been caught up and overtaken by newer versions that meet viewers’ demands better.
It’s a shame but that’s what happens.
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Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
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Paul, thank you for the considered response. I fundamentally disagree, but this is perhaps the wrong part of the forum to discuss it in the detail it deserves (and we'd probably enjoy!) without sidetracking things too much for everyone else?
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The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
You keep repeating this bit but I think you're misreading his post to get to that conclusion:
There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?
that a 47 word post, not a thorough analysis of the rise of naziism in 1930s Germany.
He's correct that there is no huge influx.
He's correct on the number of refugees we take.
He's correct that the policy is cruel and directed at very vulnerable people.
So the entire point of contention that you keep going back to is "language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" but you seem to be taking that in a specific way and inferring a lot more into it than you should be.
He didn't compare the government to Nazis.
He didn't say the policy was fascist.
He didn't claim refugees are being treated the same as jews were in the 30s.
He didn't imply in any way that this will lead to anything further.
He simply said the language isn't dissimilar to that of the time. That's a really fucking low bar, literally any document from 1930s Germany referring to Jews as a plague/invasion/animals/etc or as a problem the country needed to address urgently is enough to prove him right and finding examples like that doesn't take long.
Maybe he didn't have to make the comparison and maybe it can lead to misinformation amongst his followers but if that's a problem then it's no worse than the misinformation that is coming from the government about immigration.
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason. And I don’t just mean the ‘outraged’ far-right MPs.
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I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
Don't you worry Rory, he'll soon be sleeping with the fishes. ;)
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
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Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Needs to change its format. Show the highlights, have a panel of referees and former managers, have a comedy section (bit like SAS on 606 Podcast), chant of the week etc. Need to freshen it up a bit.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
The Irishman is good stylistically but loses marks from me for being a load of absolute bullshit.
I did enjoy Kill The Irishman though. Totally unrelated, the story of Danny Green. I suspect that you’d enjoy that one BV, he was very proud of his heritage.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
I just thought he was some kind of freaky Time Lord.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
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Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Not wages, as he very obviously isn't an employee and quite correctly offers his services as an independent contractor, which is in no way designed to avoid tax and national insurance contributions.
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Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
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Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Not wages, as he very obviously isn't an employee and quite correctly offers his services as an independent contractor, which is in no way designed to avoid tax and national insurance contributions.
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
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Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
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Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
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Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I don’t mind Lineker, he’s a presenter in the Des Lynam role rather than a pundit and does it pretty well. Shearer, Richards and the rest though I have no time for. It’s why I only ever watch it on catch-up so that I can fast forward through the crap.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
Dr Niro and Liotta were both in Copland.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
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I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
Word is he rescued Andy Townsend's Tactics Truck. Every time he puts his foot down on the clutch, it denotes a goal in the Villa game.
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Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
I agree. He’s not thick.
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I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
Dr Niro and Liotta were both in Copland.
I was scratching my head when i was reading about it trying to remember if they'd been in anything together since. There you go. It came across from De Niro's comments that they hadn't been very close in the years since though.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
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Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
Yes, no problem, understood. Wasn't attempting to provoke anything untoward.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
Ah, I did say I wasn't an expert! :-) Cheers.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
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Paul, thank you for the considered response. I fundamentally disagree, but this is perhaps the wrong part of the forum to discuss it in the detail it deserves (and we'd probably enjoy!) without sidetracking things too much for everyone else?
Fair, I was going to post something similar on the small boats thread but it got locked as I was typing something up. What I did say on there though is that, in my opinion, how you learn from history isn't to expect things to be repeated in exactly the same way but rather to look for how current problems could develop and to drive public opinion away from the worst of those outcomes. I think that's what Lineker was attempting to do, and I think that's ok, even if it requires some comparisons that people don't like.
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I am an outside IR35 person and it took me a while to convince HMRC that was the case. All that Risso has said is played out in detail. So I would say Mr Lineker almost about to receive a long service Gold Watch from the BBC is not outside.
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As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
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As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
The same people seem to crop up on the football coverage across all the different channels, BBC, Sky, BT, ITV and Amazon. I suspect they all live in a shared house and if one them is hungover or has managed to pull then they get somebody else to cover their shift.
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As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
I suppose my point would be if he offered a substitute (suitably qualified etc etc) to replace if he was unable to perform his contracted stuff then he would probably be meeting the terms of the agreement (from substitution clauses I've seen in my own contracts). If the BBC choose to use one of their own directly employed presenters then that's their decision and nothing to do with Lineker. However, we don't know the details of his contract but HMRC seem like they have a strong case.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about Ł5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
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Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I agree on everyone else's take that MotD is old and needs a shake-up. However the BBC weren't removing him for this, they had suddenly decided to remove him for daring to criticise a policy many know is unworkable. There was nothing controversial or offensive* in those tweets to make the BBC decide this was the action needed. In fact justifying it on impartiality reasons a few weeks after the Chairs controversial appointment make is look even more like censorship. I was actually more offended with his tweet when Emery was appointed. And don't forget it wasn't just the old guard, lots of presenters new and old took it as massive overreaction and unfair. Unless they went down the route of no presenters, I think most would look at taking that job as a poisoned chalice.
So no, I don't think it was a missed opportunity to change the guard on the back of that. The missed opportunity was when they decided to renew his contract in 2020.
* apart from history buffs.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about Ł5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
A lot of employers take a zero tolerance approach these days, and just say it's PAYE or nothing.
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The government are relaxing the IR35 reforms aren't they - not sure this is sending out the right message personally.
Either way the tax affairs of a football presenter are small beer in comparison to inhumane treatment of desperate people and ugly rhetoric around our response to them.
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Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I agree on everyone else's take that MotD is old and needs a shake-up. However the BBC weren't removing him for this, they had suddenly decided to remove him for daring to criticise a policy many know is unworkable. There was nothing controversial or offensive* in those tweets to make the BBC decide this was the action needed. In fact justifying it on impartiality reasons a few weeks after the Chairs controversial appointment make is look even more like censorship. I was actually more offended with his tweet when Emery was appointed. And don't forget it wasn't just the old guard, lots of presenters new and old took it as massive overreaction and unfair. Unless they went down the route of no presenters, I think most would look at taking that job as a poisoned chalice.
So no, I don't think it was a missed opportunity to change the guard on the back of that. The missed opportunity was when they decided to renew his contract in 2020.
* apart from history buffs.
Take your point on the format. It's tired, derivative and lazy.
It doesn't cover the Prem equally, the focus is only ever on the "Super Six" and then on which ever one is "in crisis", the rest of the are treated in a very patronising manner.
A major criticism is that it relies on the chumocracy of ex- professionals who by and large have difficulties with English grammar, struggle to explain themselves and duck out of criticising players.
They're happy to stage off referees,
never call out cheating or diving and they never call out shite performances.
Could/would the public tune in for something that's a bit less tabloid?
Get a referee on to explain how decisions are made.
Focus on a different club each week.
Get FSA representatives on to discuss issues of concern to supporters.
On the continent football programmes have panels that include top journalists who are able to provide a more detached analysis of the game - looking at the bigger picture, with proper criticism and analysis, and not just pointing out who kicked what where.
If one good thing comes out of this episode, it might be a major review of the MOTD format and concept.
And a final thought - good though Lineker may or may not be and setting aside the current controversy - how many viewers would the programme actually lose if he were replaced when his contract expires by say Mark Chapman?
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How relevant is motd these days ? I never watch it. Not like years ago. Sky and the Internet changed all that. I see average viewing figures are about 2.1m...is that a lot in today's viewing figures? For me I might be more tempted to watch it if it had different pundits on every week. Maybe players and managers from lower leagues who might give viewers a different insight. Even non league pundits. There might be some right stars out there. Fuck this shearer/wright/murphy/ richards/ Lineker...week in week out....
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Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company? In GE's case he works predominantly for the BBC but also does some BT stuff, then there's the Crisps, modelling and other endorsements he's involved in.
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How relevant is motd these days ? I never watch it. Not like years ago. Sky and the Internet changed all that. I see average viewing figures are about 2.1m...is that a lot in today's viewing figures? For me I might be more tempted to watch it if it had different pundits on every week. Maybe players and managers from lower leagues who might give viewers a different insight. Even non league pundits. There might be some right stars out there. Fuck this shearer/wright/murphy/ richards/ Lineker...week in week out....
I'm the same in that it's not a must see most of the time. Having said that, watching a match we're involved in down the pub live I look forward to the highlights on MOTD to get their analysis if we play well and win. Shearer's limited adjectives to describe our good play give one a nice warm glow after a feed of beer.
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Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
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Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
Oh. In a sentence explain to the uninitiated (me) what it's about please, who is it meant to trap/control etc?
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Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
Oh. In a sentence explain to the uninitiated (me) what it's about please, who is it meant to trap/control etc?
It's designed to stop people who should be employees of a company disguising themselves as self-employed and therefore paying less tax and national insurance. There's no one measure that means you are or aren't an employee, but HMRC and the courts look at a range of factors. As somebody involved in this area for a living and who has no love for HMRC whatsoever, I would politely suggest that Lineker is taking the piss.
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Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about Ł5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
I've been looking at maybe doing some contracting some time, having not done any for a while now.
IR35 used to (years ago) basically get ignored. Now it just seems utterly unavoidable.
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It's high time for the return of Andy Townsend's Tactics Truck.
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I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on Ł1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over Ł200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
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On MOTD I haven't watched it at all for the last 10-15 years and quite frankly its a dated and tired format. But its utterly uncontroversial and is a great shop window into the domestic sports market for the PL. No criticism of their behaviour from the BBC or anyone involved in it so a great chance to sportswash your product to a non football audience.
On IR35, I've very fortunately found myself outside on my current contract and have also noticed how few and far between these contracts are. With the emphasis moving to employing companies being liable for contractors tax status its quite obvious they're taking a completely risk averse approach.
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Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company? In GE's case he works predominantly for the BBC but also does some BT stuff, then there's the Crisps, modelling and other endorsements he's involved in.
His goal hanger podcasts are also doing well (the rest is history etc)
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I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on Ł1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over Ł200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
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Is MOTD dated? I don't see what's so forward-thinking about football coverage on other channels. Highlights/interviews/analysis...I'm not sure there's much you can do to "sex it up".
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I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on Ł1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over Ł200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
I was wondering that, but surely the Premier League have that all sewn up?
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I know little and care less about the Gary Lineker situation. What I do know is that the whole thing shows the UK up for the shitshow that it is. That the whole place can lose its shit quite like this, well, it's not a good sign and not a good look.
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I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on Ł1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over Ł200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
I was wondering that, but surely the Premier League have that all sewn up?
Yeah, the content that MOTD shows isn't their product to sell elsewhere.
Obviously they are paid stupid and unnecessarily high amounts, but it's also not just Match Of The Day, it's other matches / sports / online etc.
Not that it means your overall point isn't still valid - but I don't think it's really a "pound-per-viewer" equation with something like this.
For example the 20m+ audiences that the same people were fronting three months ago didn't suddenly mean they were ten times as valuable as they were two Saturdays ago.
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I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
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I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
And a chauffeur looking at linekar
Best job on the beeb
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I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
If that is the case then surely that changes things and makes the idea that he's dodging tax very different.
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I know little and care less about the Gary Lineker situation. What I do know is that the whole thing shows the UK up for the shitshow that it is. That the whole place can lose its shit quite like this, well, it's not a good sign and not a good look.
Completely agree. People have totally lost the plot over this. After this week's MOTD, it's chip paper.
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I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
If that is the case then surely that changes things and makes the idea that he's dodging tax very different.
Not it doesn’t. He doesn’t have to pay for the PR for MOTD and if he needs a PA to make his life simpler that’s down to him. It doesn’t change the nature of his work with the BBC.
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Is MOTD dated? I don't see what's so forward-thinking about football coverage on other channels. Highlights/interviews/analysis...I'm not sure there's much you can do to "sex it up".
Yeah to be honest I think it’s fine. I might not always agree with all the punditry, but there’s often a fair bit of good stuff in it.
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Mark (I'm not bitter, not at all) Lawrenson has been on GB News suggesting Lineker et al should be sacked. He's not ageing well.
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1635604391141990401
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
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Mark (I'm not bitter, not at all) Lawrenson has been on GB News suggesting Lineker et al should be sacked. He's not ageing well.
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1635604391141990401
I don't agree with what Lineker said, but anyone on GB News I know immediately what there view is of immigration
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I know little and care less about the Gary Lineker situation. What I do know is that the whole thing shows the UK up for the shitshow that it is. That the whole place can lose its shit quite like this, well, it's not a good sign and not a good look.
Completely agree. People have totally lost the plot over this. After this week's MOTD, it's chip paper.
Andrew Marr did a 4 minute slot a few days ago reinforcing this point
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
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I love Match of the Day when we’ve won. From the music, the misfortunes of the other teams, our game and the analysis, it’s all lovely.
Even when we’ve lost I sit on the bog at work and watch it on my phone on Sunday morning. Sure beats working.
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
As per Lizz's post - looking at the video of him talking he's aged so badly you'd assume it was his creepy uncle who's just been released from a VPU at Winson Green. A demographic that probably has a big GB News crossover.
Hope you're doing okay Damo, great to see you back posting.
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I love it when we’ve won.
I’ve always loved the theme tune. I sold a load of early electronic keyboards in a Christmas toy department in a well known big shop in Manchester on a temp student job, when I played it every hour to demonstrate what the thing could do and it never failed to bring a crowd in from the escalator.
Like everyone else, I don’t watch it if we lose and there were those years in the Championship….there were also the seasons when ITV got the contract and it was brilliant to watch the first MOTD after that!
I don’t like the odd pundit ( DM - surprise!) but really enjoy hearing what most of them have to say, same with the commentators. It’s great if they are trying out someone new, and yes, thank goodness ML has gone, he was such an energy drain towards the end of his time, as was Alan Hansen.
I like Gary Lineker, Ian Wright, Alan Shearer, Martin McKeown; and Mark Chapman and Colin Murray as MOTD 2 presenters, including their radio. Female football presenters, Alex Scott, Sue Smith and Gabby Logan.
And, great to see you back here, Damo70.
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
As per Lizz's post - looking at the video of him talking he's aged so badly you'd assume it was his creepy uncle who's just been released from a VPU at Winson Green. A demographic that probably has a big GB News crossover.
Hope you're doing okay Damo, great to see you back posting.
I met him at Villa Park when we beat Inter (Phil King game). I guess he was commentating. Probably comes as a surprise to nobody, he was very miserable.
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Lawro as a pundit was as animated and perceptive as your average tree stump.
Fock him and the horse he rode in on.
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It seem the Twitter account headlines and video clip is very out of context to the bulk of the interview. The clip used at the end was one of him showing off his "humour" and was in total contrast to most of the rest of the discussion.
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I'm no defender of "Lawro" but from that 10 second clip, he's clearly being tongue-in-cheek. He doesn't want Lineker sacked. Fake news.
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Yeah, it's mentioned a few times underneath the tweet that it is misleading. Still a twat, like.
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Yeah, it's mentioned a few times underneath the tweet that it is misleading. Still a twat, like.
What can you say, he's a country lad.
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Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
He retired last year, football focus gave him a half arsed send off, which was weirdly appropriate given how lazy his “analysis“ often was.
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Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
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I've always seen Lawrenson as an arrogant, sarcastic arsehole and he's maddened me even more this morning by me being unable to spell his name properly whilst typing this! Great player mind.
Welcome back Damo, hope all is good with you.
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Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
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Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
The commentator on TV was Jonathan Pearce I think, who came out with the dark ages guff. McNulty repeated the nonsense in the match report.
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Was it not Jonathan Pearce on comms? Disappointing as he went to uni in Brum and it is thought he has an affinity with us. But he's also a windbag.
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I remember Jonathan Pearce did all our UEFA Cup games in 97-98. He was bonkers.
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Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
The commentator on TV was Jonathan Pearce I think, who came out with the dark ages guff. McNulty repeated the nonsense in the match report.
McNulty barely qualifies as a football journalist, just churns out bland shit from club press releases on the BBC site. I can't stand him.
Also, Dan Roan. What a bland waste of space.
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Also, Dan Roan. What a bland waste of space.
Randomly, he's my mate's brother. They don't get on.
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Was it not Jonathan Pearce on comms? Disappointing as he went to uni in Brum and it is thought he has an affinity with us. But he's also a windbag.
Yes coincidentally he was season ticket holder in 80/81
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I've read before that Pearce has a soft spot for us. Something like his Dad supported us or something like that.
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I remember Jonathan Pearce did all our UEFA Cup games in 97-98. He was bonkers.
He started doing BRMB / Capital Gold commentary which I thought was exclusively for us Midlander's as he always seemed to be on our games.
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I wonder will Mr Hunt announce anything regarding the license fee in the budget today?
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I wonder will Mr Hunt will announce anything regards the license fee in the budget today?
He won't.
Happy to help.
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It has been abolished in France.
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In France League it's illegal to have player release clause fees.
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In France League it's illegal to have player release clause fees.
That’s interesting.
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I remember Jonathan Pearce did all our UEFA Cup games in 97-98. He was bonkers.
He started doing BRMB / Capital Gold commentary which I thought was exclusively for us Midlander's as he always seemed to be on our games.
Before that he was Capital Radio's sport correspondent when Capital Radio was a London only thing (There's a tower in the heart of London) he was a loon, I hated his commentary and punditry, a shouty gobshite.
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I turn the sound off when Pearce is commentating, and have for a while.
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I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
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It’s not been the same since Jimmy Hill left :-)
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I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
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I sponsored a FA Cup game between Hinckley and Brentford a few years back whickwas on MOTD .
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
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I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
It's also deliberately targeted at a broader level of interest, rather than football obsessives. Anyone going out of their way to post on a football team's internet forum is probably already too engaged in the subject to really be what MOTD is providing for.
I reckon there probably is room for some sort of more in-depth tactical analysis programming and if I were in charge that's what I'd do with the Sunday night show. But the Saturday show is probably about right for the sort of Saturday audience that it's aiming to cater for.
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I sponsored a FA Cup game between Hinckley and Brentford a few years back whickwas on MOTD .
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
"who ate all the hors d'oeuvres?
who ate all the hors d'oeuvres?
You fat bastard!
You fat bastard!
You ate all the hors d'oeuvres!"
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I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
I can’t stand listening to them, particularly if Micah Richards is involved. I record MOTD and will watch on Sunday morning, as long as we haven’t lost, but fast forward through all of the chat other than for our game.
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Gary Lineker thought he had a "special agreement" with the BBC's director general to tweet about refugees and immigration, his agent has said.
In a piece in the New Statesman, Jon Holmes has described the crisis talks held with BBC bosses during last week's stand-off.
He said he warned them that suspending Lineker could be damaging, hours before a staff walk-out began.
The BBC apologised for the disruption and will review its social media rules.
On last week's row, Mr Holmes said: "Gary Lineker, with whom I've worked since 1980, had tweeted about the policy, reiterating his support for refugees.
"Gary takes a passionate interest in refugees and immigration and, as he saw it, had a special agreement with Tim Davie, the BBC's director general, to tweet about these issues."
He said social media guidelines for some BBC staff were "a bit vague", but said his client "assiduously avoids" appearing on political programmes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64976007
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To round this out Linekar has 'won' his case against HMRC - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gary-lineker-tax-hmrc-win-b2309500.html
Tribunal Judge John Brooks found the IR35 legislation did not apply because there were direct contracts between the presenter and both the BBC and BT Sport.
The tribunal found that while Gary Lineker Media (GLM), which he set up with his then wife in 2012, was a partnership to which IR35 legislation applies, the appeal was still dismissed in full because contracts existed.
The judge said: “As a matter of law, when Mr Lineker signed the 2013 BBC Contract, the 2015 BBC Contract and the BT Sport Contract for the provision of his services, he did so as principal thereby contracting directly with the BBC and BT Sport.
“As such, the intermediaries legislation cannot apply – it is only applicable ‘where services are provided not under a contract directly between client and the worker’.
“In this case Mr Lineker’s services were provided under direct contracts with the BBC and BT Sport.
“Although such a conclusion might appear inconsistent with my conclusions that the intermediaries legislation can apply to partnerships… that is not the case.”
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Time to set the dogs on him or at least Risso.
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Time to set the dogs on him or at least Risso.
It's the First Tier Tribunal. Let's see what the Upper Tier says. The lower lot have ruled on something of a technicality, not the actual substance of his working relationship with the BBC.
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Time to set the dogs on him or at least Risso.
It's the First Tier Tribunal. Let's see what the Upper Tier says. The lower lot have ruled on something of a technicality, not the actual substance of his working relationship with the BBC.
Is that what happens Risso? Does it go up automatically or do HMRC have to appeal it there?
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There was a lot of chatter when the right wing media set the dogs on Lineker the other week around him being a tax dodger. They've all gone a bit quiet now, no apologies, no shame. What a world we live in. Probably all shouting at the homeless now.
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I sponsored a FA Cup game between Hinckley and Brentford a few years back whickwas on MOTD .
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
Ha ha, that's a good one - you should submit to @SpottedPLPlayer
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
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I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
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I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
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I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
Decent set of other games as well.
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I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
Decent set of other games as well.
Out of which I take no joy whatsoever if we've lost but become fascinating after a result like tonight's.
Anyway back to Frank...Myyyyyyy kind of town!
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I bet we're on last. (Perhaps rightly.)
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I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
MOTD on iplayer on a Sunday morning with a cup of tea is the way to go. You can fast-forward the amazing 'analysis' as well.
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I'm also in the peace/quiet/tea camp. I'm going to watch it primarily so I can see who's playing like what at the bottom.
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
The woman on BT Sport does a brilliant job when you consider that Gobby Savage and Sutton are there to take the piss out of each other and Sidwell keeps waving his pen and talking gobbledygook.
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Danny Murphy is a ******.
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What's he said now
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Does he need to have said anything?
Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs, when the main narrative was 20 players bought in with no rhyme or reason or what was actually needed for the team.
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Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
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Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
No, although I think it would have been difficult for any manager to be immediately successful at Chelsea under these circumstances.
Its absolute bonkers to embark on that sort of player acquisition strategy and whilst signing these players on extremely long contracts to get over FFP, this could in fact have huge negative consequences.
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
I think being married to a former international rugby player probably puts her firmly in the egg chasers camp.
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Lineker is excellent on MOTD. I also really enjoy listening to Chapman on 5live on my way to Villa Park of a Saturday. It enhances my day. Both are fantastic broadcasters and BBC will be poorer if they lose either of them
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Lineker is excellent on MOTD. I also really enjoy listening to Chapman on 5live on my way to Villa Park of a Saturday. It enhances my day. Both are fantastic broadcasters and BBC will be poorer if they lose either of them
Totally agree.
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Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
Not really, although it was the only bit I noticed that might have been the need for any particular need to call Danny Murphy a name (if a specific reason was needed).
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Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
I think being married to a former international rugby player probably puts her firmly in the egg chasers camp.
And being Welsh, they loves it alright but?
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
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Lineker is excellent on MOTD. I also really enjoy listening to Chapman on 5live on my way to Villa Park of a Saturday. It enhances my day. Both are fantastic broadcasters and BBC will be poorer if they lose either of them
Totally agree.
And me.
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Rumours were she was getting it off Shera.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gabby-logan-book-alan-shearer-28140226
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
She said so on Desert Island Discs and she picked that Dire Straits track that they run out to.
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Ugh.
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
No, he never played or managed any further north than Leeds or Bradford. She went to university up there, Durham.
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I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
No, he never played or managed any further north than Leeds or Bradford. She went to university up there, Durham.
Morning Eastie. <winky thing>
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MOTD is switching channels to BBC2 tonight. It’s on.
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MOTD is switching channels to BBC2 tonight. It’s on.
Was thinking they wouldn't interrupt Eurovision for it.
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Anyone know a way of watching outside of the uk? VPNs don't seem to work with iplayer.
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Anyone know a way of watching outside of the uk? VPNs don't seem to work with iplayer.
Mine does.*
*I'm not.watching bloody Eurovision though
If you have a decent VPN then try clearing cookies and cache, connect VPN to UK, go on to iPlayer in incognito or private mode, log in and watch your programme. Works for me with NordVPN.
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Cheers, have expressvpn but isn't working on either chrome or safari for me. Will look into it again.
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Remarkably shit coverage that.
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
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Remarkably shit coverage that.
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
Yeah, and our high line will soon be worked out? Our mean defence and massive points tally since deploying it would suggest otherwise, you twat
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Fucking wankers.
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
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Shame; the analysis has been pretty fair this season when we’ve won but there was no mention of our first-half dominance or the offside for the penalty, or even a mention of the better team winning.
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Remarkably shit coverage that.
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
Yeah, and our high line will soon be worked out? Our mean defence and massive points tally since deploying it would suggest otherwise, you twat
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Yeah rubbish coverage, but that stat they showed did surprise me, since Unai took over, we had more successful offsides, than any other team in the league, 92 Liverpool next with 65 and we had 9 today, whether teams will work us out remains to be seen.
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If they're going to work us out, they've spent 2/3 of a season not managing to, so they need to get a move on.
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"Just be grateful you weren't on last yet again, you upstart peasants from the West Midlands!"
- the National Media
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Cheers, have expressvpn but isn't working on either chrome or safari for me. Will look into it again.
It's repeated on BBC1 tomorrow morning at 7.35. PW is right though, you didn't miss much.
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How did they choose the running order tonight? Manure wolves on second. Us on 2nd Fcukin last?!
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Focus was on the top four and relegation issues, how convenient!!
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Focus was on the top four and relegation issues, how convenient!!
And on the father-son relationship. For all his faults, I like Ian Wright, but tonight was just weird. Putting two men on a sofa, one of whom has shagged the other's mother, is rarely a good idea.
That's why they never put Wayne Rooney on camera with anybody 65+.
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Every time we're doing well, all we hear from Villa fans is that the media doesn't give us 'credit'. Every time the media notices us and starts to give us 'credit', we start losing games. It's been happening for as long as I've been paying attention.
What is 'credit', why do we need it, and how - as Villa fans - are we supposed to feel once we have received the 'credit'? Will it make any difference to anything, to anyone, other than the Gods of football karma who continue to insist that all 'credit' must be repaid in defeats?
We don't want any fucking 'credit' (well, I don't)!
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Every time we're doing well, all we hear from Villa fans is that the media doesn't give us 'credit'. Every time the media notices us and starts to give us 'credit', we start losing games. It's been happening for as long as I've been paying attention.
What is 'credit', why do we need it, and how - as Villa fans - are we supposed to feel once we have received the 'credit'? Will it make any difference to anything, to anyone, other than the Gods of football karma who continue to insist that all 'credit' must be repaid in defeats?
We don't want any fucking 'credit' (well, I don't)!
Agreed. I'd much rather we were last on every episode of MOTD and our title win next year come completely out of the blue.
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Fucking wankers.
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
The pen was insignificant in the overall match result, so did not require any chewing over.
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Well said SE. We do not need any recognition or praise from twats that we despise in any case so fuck em. We know who we are.
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Well said SE. We do not need any recognition or praise from twats that we despise in any case so fuck em. We know who we are.
I with both of you on this one, I really don’t care what the twats in the studio say.
Fuckem.
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https://www.footballorgin.com/category/tv-show/bbc-match-of-the-day-motd/
I watch it here.
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Having Ian Wright and his son on was just weird. SWP was hopeless on it.
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Having Ian Wright and his son on was just weird. SWP was hopeless on it.
I like Ian Wright but you're right, it was weird. I've never seen SWP work as a match analyser anywhere else before, nice of the BBC to launch his career for him on their flagship show as a sop to his dad.
It's not what you know, eh?
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Having Ian Wright and his son on was just weird. SWP was hopeless on it.
I like Ian Wright but you're right, it was weird. I've never seen SWP work as a match analyser anywhere else before, nice of the BBC to launch his career for him on their flagship show as a sop to his dad.
It's not what you know, eh?
Yep, cause SWP doesn’t seem to know much.
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Don't agree. Shaun was pretty comfortable in the role, articulate and with decent analysis. I felt a bit teary when he casually referred to Ian as "Dad" a couple of times. It must mean that I want children.
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I thought he was better at it than his Dad tbh.
I didn't so much care about us being on almost last, it was just the inane wankery about the high line, it was so pathetically lazy, and they literally did not mention us other than in that context.
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Fucking wankers.
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
The pen was insignificant in the overall match result, so did not require any chewing over.
That dodgy pen could ultimately decide who gets the Europa league spot. There's only 2 goals separating us and Spurs. The only reason it wasn't analysed is the fact that it was England poster boy Harry Kane who did the cheating.
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MOTD only has time to analyse one main narrative from each team and the high-line thing is valid given we have employed it far more than anyone else in the league so I wouldn't be getting worked-up about not being praised and fawned over.
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MOTD only has time to analyse one main narrative from each team and the high-line thing is valid given we have employed it far more than anyone else in the league so I wouldn't be getting worked-up about not being praised and fawned over.
True. But not analysing that dodgy penalty for Spurs was a very deliberate omission.
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MOTD only has time to analyse one main narrative from each team and the high-line thing is valid given we have employed it far more than anyone else in the league so I wouldn't be getting worked-up about not being praised and fawned over.
We work it excellently though don’t we ? Spurzzz did have a clue how to break it
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
what do you expect with that idiot.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with that. We have been a collection of super performances lead an inspirational manager, and very arguably punching way above our weight. That’s why we will see 3 or 4 of the regulars drop to the bench in August as we improve key positions. That doesn’t take away from Doug, Tyrone, Ramsey, Ollie, SJM etc. But even with Villa claret and blue tinted glasses on, I don’t think individually it puts them above some of the players that are on most lists for best 1st XI.
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Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
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Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
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Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
Oh yeah, it's the first team I have seen of his this season because he is one of the worst pundits I have ever heard but even for him to not have a single Villa player option out of another 43 players considering what we have done since Emery came in is shite even by his low standards.
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
what do you expect with that idiot.
And why does anyone care anyway?
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I don't think anyone actually cares. It would be a shit forum if we only ever spoke about what we really 'cared' about.
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Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
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Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
A friend was just breaking into football journalism and met Garth Crooks. He said he was in awe at first but after ten minutes chatting realised he knew bugger all about football.
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Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
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Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
Watkins is the only player in the top 10 goalscorers list who you can't pick. You can select Jesus though, who didn't score in 17 between October 1st and April 1st, along with Gibbs-White as you mentioned.
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Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
A friend was just breaking into football journalism and met Garth Crooks. He said he was in awe at first but after ten minutes chatting realised he knew bugger all about football.
Lol
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Crooks is the new Lawro - crap, been there too long, cushy number and zero imagination. In fact less imagination than Shearer.
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Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
I think Ings scored same or more with us
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
He hasn't even picked Martinez, which is ridiculous. He clearly doesn't watch much football outsider the top 4.
He picked Dias ahead of Mings and Casemiro over Luiz. I don't think many non Villa fans would disagree. Newcastle fans are raging that Botman and Guimares aren't in. I wouldn't be picking Watkins over Haaland or Kane either tbh.
Martinez is the glaring omission. The others are debatable.
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Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
He hasn't even picked Martinez, which is ridiculous. He clearly doesn't watch much football outsider the top 4.
He picked Dias ahead of Mings and Casemiro over Luiz. I don't think many non Villa fans would disagree. Newcastle fans are raging that Botman and Guimares aren't in. I wouldn't be picking Watkins over Haaland or Kane either tbh.
Martinez is the glaring omission. The others are debatable.
No, it's not about his final team, I don't think many could argue with that, it's if you go on the BBC sport page where his XI is then you can choose your own season XI from multiple options. Out of 43 outfield players options, NONE of them are Villa.
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The main point I was making was if YOU wanted to pick Mings, Watkins or Luiz in the bottom of the page, you can't as he hasn't even included them as options when doing a "pick your own" team. All three have performed enough to be a choice in their respective positions, but all three have been overlooked.
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DISGRACE!
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Garth constantly wears the demeanour of someone who's just had or is about to have someone's fist up his back passage.
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Anyway, did no one spot this fake-news stat by MOTD on Sunday? Makes us look tinpot as fcuk...
(https://i.ibb.co/tcPWJs7/Screenshot-20230529-113827-BBC-i-Player.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tcPWJs7)
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Anyway, did no one spot this fake-news stat by MOTD on Sunday? Makes us look tinpot as fcuk...
(https://i.ibb.co/tcPWJs7/Screenshot-20230529-113827-BBC-i-Player.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tcPWJs7)
doesn't make us look tinpot. It makes them look tinpot for getting it wrong. In the grand scheme of things nobody outside an eagle eyed Villa fan noticed ;)
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Apart from Saunders, Yorke (twice), JPA and Benteke, not far off!
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I think Eamonn is stating it makes us look tin-pot as apparently no player has scored more then 15 league goals in a season for over 30 years TV. As you mentioned, only Villa fans (and statto's for other teams) will know that is definitely wrong as most people would trust MOTD to actually be correct.
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Yes, that's what I was getting at but TV is right, it's just a silly error. It's the first day of summer and it's sunny outside.
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I wonder if they meant to say 1st English player?
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I wonder if they meant to say 1st English player?
I assumed this when I saw it
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https://apple.news/AOvLALGjLQK6CLa-8A0MhFg
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
High-profile BBC presenters should be able to express their views on political issues as long as they stop short of campaigning, according to a new report for the broadcaster after a row over Gary Lineker's tweets.
The policy only applies to presenters outside of its news coverage. News presenters will still be subject to stricter impartiality guidelines.
The BBC has not clarified what would constitute political campaigning for the big-name presenters.
Shortly after the announcement, Lineker shared a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, saying: "All very sensible," followed by a thumbs up emoji.
Aside from Lineker, other presenters the report has named as having "a particular responsibility to respect the BBC's impartiality" include The Apprentice's Lord Alan Sugar, Antiques Roadshow's Fiona Bruce, The One Show's Alex Jones and Strictly Come Dancing hosts Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman.
Dragons' Den's Evan Davis, MasterChef hosts John Torode and Gregg Wallace, and Match Of The Day's Mark Chapman were all name-checked as falling under the revised rules.
BBC radio presenters who will be affected include Greg James, Zoe Ball, Vernon Kay and Scott Mills.
The update followed a review by former ITN executive John Hardie, looking at the BBC's social media guidance for on-air freelancers outside of news, current affairs and factual journalism.
Major broadcast events, including sporting events, could also fall under the guidelines, and will be confirmed when on air.
Actors, dramatists, comedians, musicians and pundits will not be affected by the new guidelines.
Lineker stood by posts on Twitter earlier this year in which he criticised the government's asylum policies.
The former England footballer was asked to "step back" from presenting Match Of The Day during the row over his comments - which compared the language used to launch a new government asylum seeker policy to that of 1930s Germany.
He later returned to the presenting role after the row prompted a boycott by his fellow football pundits and commentators, hitting TV and radio coverage across the BBC.
Carol Vorderman, who hosts a monthly Saturday lunchtime show on BBC Radio Wales, told the Sky News Daily Podcast earlier this month that as a freelancer with the broadcaster, she would "wait and see" what the new guidelines stipulated, adding: "I'll make a decision based on them as to whether I carry on."
Based on a reading of the new guidelines it would seem Vorderman will be able to carry on sharing her political opinions, as her radio show is not one of the broadcaster's flagship shows.
Pretty comprehensive victory for Lineker there then.
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Good.
Hopefully it pisses off Tory *****.
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A 7 goal game between 2 top six sides is third in MOTD. There is nothing that would push Man City & Liverpool down the running order is there?
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A 7 goal game between 2 top six sides is third in MOTD. There is nothing that would push Man City & Liverpool down the running order is there?
Us beating either of them would 😂
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Self satisfied smugness personified.
Punditry is average at best with Shearer and Richards on.
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Richards yelling about Matt Dawson. Does he not realise how microphones work?...
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Richards yelling about Matt Dawson. Does he not realise how microphones work?...
But he's a bloody bloke, top bants, love his infectious laugh, etc.
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Ollie Watkins has virtually single-handedly destroyed Brighton, says Jonathan Pearce, in a rare moment of hyperbole...
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Decent analysis of Villa by Shearer to be fair; quite rightly pointing out Matty Cash's excellent contribution
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A 7 goal game between 2 top six sides is third in MOTD. There is nothing that would push Man City & Liverpool down the running order is there?
I was surprised we were ahead of Man U - Palace tbh...
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Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
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Jonathon Pearce sounded gutted in the commentary that we were 3-0 up. I know Brighton are everyone’s second team and that, but still.
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Really not that bothered if we don’t get the coverage in the media. Quite happy to fly under the radar.
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It wasn’t as bad as the sky highlights. I don’t know whether they retrofitted a recording but most of the time there was no commentary and when it did happen it was incredibly flat.
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Richards yelling about Matt Dawson. Does he not realise how microphones work?...
But he's a bloody bloke, top bants, love his infectious laugh, etc.
I'd prefer to dip my balls in dry ice than listen to that awful man. Top ******, more like 😂
I bet he's friends with Joe.
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It wasn’t as bad as the sky highlights. I don’t know whether they retrofitted a recording but most of the time there was no commentary and when it did happen it was incredibly flat.
Oh thanks, I thought there was something wrong with my phone.
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Micah Richards tries to turn everything into a joke . Then laughs at it like a hyena . Terrible pundit.
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Micah Richards tries to turn everything into a joke . Then laughs at it like a hyena . Terrible pundit.
total wanker and very sad individual.
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What was the twat on about with “Shearer and his stats” when they came back to the studio for our match discussion?
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Quite. Isn't that part of a pundits job?
Richards is terrible.
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Micah Richards tries to turn everything into a joke . Then laughs at it like a hyena . Terrible pundit.
total wanker and very sad individual.
Who are you talking about here?
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Villa Tim is not that bad.
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I get people not being bothered about us flying under the radar. It’s true in a way. But when it comes to January and we need top quality reinforcements at the same time as, say, Spurs. Well being under the radar doesn’t help too much.
Check this out if your eyes can stand it:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/01/ange-postecoglous-charisma-and-risk-taking-have-tottenham-dreaming
They narrowly and undeservedly beat 9 man Liverpool at home.
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We won’t take the next step by flying under the radar and I get the sense that the players are ready for the pressure. The manager certainly is.
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Wilson been dismissive of us all season. Not sure how five wins and two losses at St James' and Anfield is inconsistent, but whatever. Fuck him. Villa are coming.
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Wilson been dismissive of us all season. Not sure how five wins and two losses at St James' and Anfield is inconsistent, but whatever. Fuck him. Villa are coming.
Wilson the Wingnut is a bellend who doesn't seem to rate Emery in particular, maybe because he doesn't wear trainers.
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He has. We’re so inconsistent that we are behind only Man City in the calendar year. I’m not bothered because I’m 12, I’m bothered because it keeps the glass ceiling nicely in place.
I will love it when we finish above Brighton and Spurs. And Saudi Arabia.
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The Beeb have been jizzing all over Tottingham since the start of the season with at least one puff piece per week on the site.
Only right that Wilson follows suit.
I'll be more worried when these wankers start backing us.
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We have been fairly inconsistent haven’t we? That’s something many of us fans are saying, if you look at the cup games as well. The difference is I can see us becoming more consistent whereas Wilson seems to be suggesting it’s a permanent state.
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I’d measure consistency over as long a period as possible. Like since Emery has been our manager. The guardian football podcast billed our game v Brighton as the ‘battle for 8th place’.
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Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
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Well said mate.
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Well said indeed. But I think players are more influenced by the media than we’d like to think. They’re people like everyone else.
I’m trying to think of an alternative, and it’s (a bit) before my time, but I imagine 1981 Ipswich are a bit like 2023 Brighton. We are always between two stalls. Plucky contenders for 8th or relegation candidates. Neither shoe fits, and neither should it. Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd. All played in the (modern day) champions league.
Anyway, brilliant win yesterday. Onto midweek and then the orange filth on the weekend.
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References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
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References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
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References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
Usuals plus us and Newcastle
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Man C
Man U
Arsenal
Liverpool
Villa
Brighton
Spurs
Newcastle
Must be those, right, we're not still including Chelsea, are we?
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Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
I notice UE has a nervous habit of rubbing his left cheek at media interviews. He is not an attention seeker and indeed seems to be specifically uncomfortable with it
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References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
Usuals plus us and Newcastle
Why us and not Brighton? Or why not us and Brighton and leave Chelsea out?
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Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
I notice UE has a nervous habit of rubbing his left cheek at media interviews. He is not an attention seeker and indeed seems to be specifically uncomfortable with it
Which works for us. As I don't think the sides currently aboue us or Chelsea will ever see him as an option.
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Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
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Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
Great post.
Very noticeable that apart from a couple of claps towards the fans on Saturday, Unail did what he always does and headed straight down the tunnel. No time for the limelight and making a fuss.
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Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
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Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
Although that hasn't stopped them before. They showed the Blades - Newcastle game early on even though it had "just been on TV" the other week.
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Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
Although that hasn't stopped them before. They showed the Blades - Newcastle game early on even though it had "just been on TV" the other week.
They showed us "early on" yesterday. Just not first or second. It's not an exact science - there are loads of factors that go into it. If we'd been ahead of Wolves, that would have been understandable. If they'd done Luton ahead of us, so would that.
Put it this way, if it had finished Wolves 1-2 Man City, that game would probably have been fifth in the running order. But it wasn't.
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Not MOTD but I notice NBC sports have put up several videos on YouTube since yesterday with Villa in the title. One of them they only talk about us very briefly at the start, but they've made the question the title of the video. We're suddenly becoming click bait worthy!
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Last on MOTD2 then . They really don't like us .
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I caught a bit of Talksport earlier and Max Rushden was on (I honestly have never seen the appeal of him, just seems like a very average presenter who has managed to land on his feet a few times). He was saying something along the lines of us being an average sort of team and "if you are a good side you beat Villa and if you are a bad side you lose to them".
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I caught a bit of Talksport earlier and Max Rushden was on (I honestly have seen.the appeal of him, just seems like a very average presenter who has managed to land on his feet a few times). He was saying something along the lines of us being an average sort of team and "if you are a good side you beat Villa and if you are a bad side you lose to them".
So Brighton are a bad side then. Blimey. And so are Crystal Palace.
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He had this line before yesterday, which made enough sense as a kind of exaggerated version of our season. But Brighton are a good team who we thwacked.
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Listened to Stuart Pearce on Talk Sport on the way back from the game, he claimed that we were lucky with VAR, and the ball was rebounding kindly to us when we scored some of our goals - he said "it was just our day"
If one of the BIG 6 had beaten Brighton 6-1 SKY sports would have still been showing all the goals on repeat for the next week!
We get no credit at all.
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It’s why I wouldn’t bother listening to Talksport. Their goal is to drive listening figures through hot takes that piss people off.
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Yep, it's their modus operandi. Footballing equivalent of Daily Mail. Sack it off and let it die.
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Like the Mail, The Sun and GB News, avoid like the plague.
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It all means we are becoming a threat and the regime don’t like it.
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I'd almost forgotten the best thing about us ever doing well is that our fans take it as a cue to unleash our collective inner passive-aggressive conspiracy theorist about the media having an agenda against us. Wonderful!
We sound like a fat neighbour who never gets invited to barbecues.
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It is amusing though, we beat Liverpool 7-2 and it was a freak result with lucky deflections, Spurs win against 9 men with an owl goal and laughably bad VAR mistake and it's the dawning of a cock shaped new age.
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They consider Spurs to be more interesting than us. I assume that's backed by data/viewing figures. And that Liverpool result got loads of coverage, and we got loads of 'credit'. I don't know what people constantly in the hunt for us to be given 'credit' are hoping to feel when we're given 'credit', but whatever it is, it won't make them happy.
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I don't much care regarding the general coverage, it's just the Spurs stuff I find amusing.
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Just listened to the Totally Football Show and they got it spot on, all about the aggression of the press. That is absolutely what has been missing when we’ve had our underwhelming displays this season.
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Just listened to the Totally Football Show and they got it spot on, all about the aggression of the press. That is absolutely what has been missing when we’ve had our underwhelming displays this season.
Yep, I said a week or 2 back the thing with this team right now is that when we're 100% we can can beat anyone but if we go into a game at 90% nothing quite works and I don't think it's just down to the team we put out.
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They consider Spurs to be more interesting than us. I assume that's backed by data/viewing figures. And that Liverpool result got loads of coverage, and we got loads of 'credit'. I don't know what people constantly in the hunt for us to be given 'credit' are hoping to feel when we're given 'credit', but whatever it is, it won't make them happy.
A brummie 2nd city, need for affirmation thang
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Just listened to the Totally Football Show and they got it spot on, all about the aggression of the press. That is absolutely what has been missing when we’ve had our underwhelming displays this season.
Yep, I said a week or 2 back the thing with this team right now is that when we're 100% we can can beat anyone but if we go into a game at 90% nothing quite works and I don't think it's just down to the team we put out.
I think if it was a collective 90% we'd be OK, but in the games where we've been poor, we've had the likes of Kamara at about 50% I reckon, and even Ollie and SJM at 75%. We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
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We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
That's also true to some extent for everyone else in the league apart from arguably Man City, no?
And give Rodri and Haaland an off-day and even they're pretty fallible too.
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Far too much credence is give to the importance of MOTD and the running order of games. It’s just not that relevant anymore. Any fan of a team or football in general can watch any game in full while it’s happening if they really want to rendering the programme’s value irrelevant. We all want to be seen as one of the top dogs in the media. That will only happen with MOTD and the press once we have a sustained period of success.
Of course, the anomaly in all this is Tottenham.
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We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
That's also true to some extent for everyone else in the league apart from arguably Man City, no?
And give Rodri and Haaland an off-day and even they're pretty fallible too.
Saturday showed clear as day how important Rodri is to them, I think he's the key player in their squad now, the alternatives to him are miles off his standard, I think it's nearly as big a gap in quality as us going from Emi to Olsen.
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Yeah, Rodri is stupidly good, he's flawless
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I don't much care regarding the general coverage, it's just the Spurs stuff I find amusing.
Spurs, a club who have only won the title twice, and the last time was closer to the reign of Queen Victoria than to today.
The general media love around them is laughable, were they not in London, they wouldn't get half of it.
Arsenal fans are a strange mix of hideous Tarquins and YouTube cringe-merchants, but at least they can point to a mountain of silverware to back it up a bit.
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They consider Spurs to be more interesting than us. I assume that's backed by data/viewing figures. And that Liverpool result got loads of coverage, and we got loads of 'credit'. I don't know what people constantly in the hunt for us to be given 'credit' are hoping to feel when we're given 'credit', but whatever it is, it won't make them happy.
Agree. The truth is our game was so one-sided it actually became less interesting to the neutral. The Wolves result was a huge upset so that was always going to be high up the order. And Spurs v Liverpool is always going to be shown ahead of Villa v Brighton because of the wider interest worldwide, not just in the London media. The extra controversy makes it even more so.
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Last Sunday there was five matches on Sunday, (admittedly not Manure or Citeh playing). They decided the 8-0 match which had only been shown live a few hours earlier needed top billing. So the arguments for matches being one sided or being live on TV not being first match shown doesn't wash as if they want to show it first, they will.
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Yeah, Rodri is stupidly good, he's flawless
The guy is a complete arse but also probably the best DM of all time.
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Yeah, Rodri is stupidly good, he's flawless
The guy is a complete arse but also probably the best DM of all time.
Better than Gavin McCann?! David O'Leary was righ.....
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Last Sunday there was five matches on Sunday, (admittedly not Manure or Citeh playing). They decided the 8-0 match which had only been shown live a few hours earlier needed top billing. So the arguments for matches being one sided or being live on TV not being first match shown doesn't wash as if they want to show it first, they will.
Obviously. There's no rules about what they can and can't show in what order. In Saturday's case, they decided that there were two stories more interesting than us tonking Brighton. Which is fair enough.
They decided that us tonking Brighton was a more interesting story than five others. Which is also fair enough.
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I think Man City losing and a Spurs-Liverpool game with a totally mad refereeing ballsup are legitimate main-eventers. We were considered more important than Man Utd. That's fine with me.
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I think Man City losing and a Spurs-Liverpool game with a totally mad refereeing ballsup are legitimate main-eventers. We were considered more important than Man Utd. That's fine with me.
Saturday actually saw both Manchester and both Liverpool clubs lose. I reckon that can't have happened often and I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more made of it.
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Although they did seem to show an inordinate amount of the manure game. Which was largely turgid.
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I think Man City losing and a Spurs-Liverpool game with a totally mad refereeing ballsup are legitimate main-eventers. We were considered more important than Man Utd. That's fine with me.
Saturday actually saw both Manchester and both Liverpool clubs lose. I reckon that can't have happened often and I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more made of it.
File under empty seats (Ma Lord)at the Tory Conference yesterday, zero coverage of the Rejoin march last week etc etc.
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I saw a stat that it was the first time Man City and Man Utd both lost at 3pm on a Saturday since Spetember 2013. We beat Man City 3-2 that day.
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I saw a stat that it was the first time Man City and Man Utd both lost at 3pm on a Saturday since Spetember 2013. We beat Man City 3-2 that day.
Just incase people don't remember. I still shudder thinking Andi had run off too early to celebrate instead of making sure!
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I saw a stat that it was the first time Man City and Man Utd both lost at 3pm on a Saturday since Spetember 2013. We beat Man City 3-2 that day.
Just incase people don't remember. I still shudder thinking Andi had run off too early to celebrate instead of making sure!
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Me and my mate were finishing up our half time pints in the David Targett suite and about to bugger off home when El Ahmadi scored, the first half of that game had been like practice match for them and Yaya Toure had probably had twice as many touches of the ball as our team put together.
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Amid the civil war over the corporatisation of the Villa, it's worth remembering we have a section of the ground named in honour of Doug Ellis's doctor.
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Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
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Amid the civil war over the corporatisation of the Villa, it's worth remembering we have a section of the ground named in honour of Doug Ellis's doctor.
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
My wife, who is a Villa fan but not invested in the same way we are on here, text me during the game on Saturday unprompted to tell me Talksport were gutted at the score, it was all Brighton apparently and VAR is our friend.
"So Villa 6 Brighton 1. Come on Spurs fans, Arsenal fans, we want to hear your thoughts"
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Amid the civil war over the corporatisation of the Villa, it's worth remembering we have a section of the ground named in honour of Doug Ellis's doctor.
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
My wife, who is a Villa fan but not invested in the same way we are on here, text me during the game on Saturday unprompted to tell me Talksport were gutted at the score, it was all Brighton apparently and VAR is our friend.
"So Villa 6 Brighton 1. Come on Spurs fans, Arsenal fans, we want to hear your thoughts"
Beeb 5 Live couldn't hand back to the Golf quick enough after each Villa goal update. It was like speed speaking competition. Olwtks scored 3 for us
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Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
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Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
It's this, we are gaslighted.
It's the same being a Brummie, and it's systemic in this country. And please don't tell me I'm imagining it all because that's exactly what I bloody mean!
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All in your imagination.
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Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
Yes agree Paul.
It was interesting to me that when we went 4-1 up, there was almost a weird atmosphere for 10 or so mins, not apathy amongst the supporters but almost a feeling like yea this is what we do, we dismantle teams (not 6-1 every week obviously), this is the norm.
The media really haven’t cottoned onto this yet. Im not getting carried away as there have been some poor performances this season, but if our 2023 form continues all season, we’ll be top 3 or 4 without a problem and the current ignorance in the media means they won’t be able to fathom it.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
It's basically The S*n in radio form.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
Yea Laura Woods was excellent and as you say Hawksbee and Jacobs are good, lots of the other stuff, especially many of the ex pro’s are appalling.
Danny Kelly, who is generally ok, do a weekend round up, started to say how brilliantly Villa have done under Emery, when he kind of talked over by the other presenters and it was ‘Brighton had a bad day, Villa’s second shouldn’t of counted, Brighton had 4 games in 10 days’ etc….didnt we have the same amount of games? A lot of old shite
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As I say listen to the Totally Football show their analysis was spot on and gave all the credit to Villa.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
A couple of Thursday's ago I played five-a-side in the evening, and had to take my missus' fifteen-year-old Audi A3 with a crap radio. On the way home, I let the radio scan to find whatever it could, and it found TalkSport - the first time I've listened in, well, I've no idea, but MANY years. It was these two talking about Brighton losing to AEK Athens earlier in the evening, and it was abysmal. The sort of stuff you'd hear in the playground. Bellends is being VERY kind to them. They were absolutely REVELLING in Brighton's defeat, clearly designed to rile up the Brighton fans - I'm assuming to get them to call in? Maybe one of them has a big anti-Brighton bias, I've no idea, but you wouldn't ever listen to something like that if you wanted to listen to a genuine footballing discussion, or, god-forbid, to actually "learn" something. It made Soccer AM sound like a Mensa meeting.
I listened for about five minutes and then turned it off. I have no plans to ever listen again. The only time I see any Talksport content is when the odd clip goes viral on social media.
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Not sure if anyone has seen Garth Crook's 'team of the week' but his entry for Watkins is pretty funny. Basically thinks the hattrick was rubbish and it was all because of luck and Brighton being awful but he scored three goals so he feels obligated to put him in his team. He obviously ignored the fact that Watkins was completely unplayable and also set up two of our other goals.
He also describes what's happening at Villa as being 'mildly exciting'.
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
10 YEARS of Rushden and Glendenning on a Sunday attempting to build up the games that day. Max Rushden dosen't even hide how inane the drivel he's putting out is. Barry Glendenning a sports journalist at the Guardian who dosen't even know half the fixtures that day, guess some find it hilarious.
I do like the new programme though with Shaun Custis and Henry Winter. It's a shame they don't swop it and put that on at 11am instead but guess Henry Winter covers the big Sunday games so needs time to get to them if they're outside London.
Have to say I don't really care if the mainstream media aren't hyping us up too much. In last 20 years when we have started to be bigged up that's when it usually starts to fall apart e.g. all the praise we were getting before the FA cup final. And also how well we'd signed after Grealish left.
I also think it's a bit of a hangover from pretty much everyone in the press slaughtering Emery after he left Arsenal so some don't want to lose face on that.
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Max Rushden is one of the few people in football media who refuses to play the game that insists football is IMPORTANT and HUGE and results are DEVASTATING. He knows it's all just a bit of a lark and treats it accordingly. I like him a lot.
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Max Rushden is one of the few people in football media who refuses to play the game that insists football is IMPORTANT and HUGE and results are DEVASTATING. He knows it's all just a bit of a lark and treats it accordingly. I like him a lot.
Never had you down as a jester hat wearing Villa fan on Soccer AM Sexual...(wink).
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I've neer seen that, to be fair! I meant his radio and podcasting work.
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I see our so loved Garth has been at it again. Basically dissing Ollie's 3 goals as pure luck.
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Crooks is a 24 carat imbecile. Ignore him.
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Without wishing to give Garth more credit that he's due, the second goal dribbled in and the third was a deflection. But yes, it's a bit heavy on the "lucky" angle
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I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
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There were a fair amount of Villa "fake news" howlers by yer' man Fletcher on BT/"TNT- Explosive" commentary on Saturday:
- Claimed that our success under Emery was based on a tight defence and Brighton's was built on goalscoring
- Twice said that our next game is away in Bosnia this week (despite a helpful graphic popping-up on screen advertising their coverage of the game live from VP)
- That it was JJ Ramsey's first appearance of the season
- Inferring that Ollie Watkins was in the form of his life
They're all easy/unimportant things for a broadcaster to forget, and in fairness they have to remember a lot of stats. But it was interesting, seeing how we're viewed in a neutral and professional capacity.
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There were a fair amount of Villa "fake news" howlers by yer' man Fletcher on BT/"TNT- Explosive" commentary on Saturday:
- Claimed that our success under Emery was based on a tight defence and Brighton's was built on goalscoring
- Twice said that our next game is away in Bosnia this week (despite a helpful graphic popping-up on screen advertising their coverage of the game live from VP)
- That it was JJ Ramsey's first appearance of the season
- Inferring that Ollie Watkins was in the form of his life
They're all easy/unimportant things for a broadcaster to forget, and in fairness they have to remember a lot of stats. But it was interesting, seeing how we're viewed in a neutral and professional capacity.
I don't think that last line (well the start of it) reflects how poor that second error is guiven he was commentating on TNT and talking about a game to be aired on TNT later in the week, I could forgive all the rest but that one is just incompetence.
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I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
i wonder if he is more self aware than we give him credit for and actually plays up to the Ron Pundit persona. His chat about villa may be going places is at best a lift from the pre season previews.
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I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
i wonder if he is more self aware than we give him credit for and actually plays up to the Ron Pundit persona. His chat about villa may be going places is at best a lift from the pre season previews.
Maybe, but I've never seen an appearance on TV where he hasn't given off exactly the same vibe. I don't think the Stoke accent helps.
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I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
I think he is single handedly destroying the case for positive discrimination.
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Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
He commentated* on the game Saturday and predicted a Brighton 4-3 win at 3-1. It was also left to his colleague to point out that if you concede five you probably don’t deserve to win. Then we scored again.
* I use the term generously
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I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
I think he is single handedly destroying the case for positive discrimination.
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He sure is one self assured arrogant c unt .
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Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
A couple of Thursday's ago I played five-a-side in the evening, and had to take my missus' fifteen-year-old Audi A3 with a crap radio. On the way home, I let the radio scan to find whatever it could, and it found TalkSport - the first time I've listened in, well, I've no idea, but MANY years. It was these two talking about Brighton losing to AEK Athens earlier in the evening, and it was abysmal. The sort of stuff you'd hear in the playground. Bellends is being VERY kind to them. They were absolutely REVELLING in Brighton's defeat, clearly designed to rile up the Brighton fans - I'm assuming to get them to call in? Maybe one of them has a big anti-Brighton bias, I've no idea, but you wouldn't ever listen to something like that if you wanted to listen to a genuine footballing discussion, or, god-forbid, to actually "learn" something. It made Soccer AM sound like a Mensa meeting.
I listened for about five minutes and then turned it off. I have no plans to ever listen again. The only time I see any Talksport content is when the odd clip goes viral on social media.
Was it Cundy doing that bloody stupid "has anyone seen"....before proceeding to take the piss out of the team who've lost?
As for O'Hara? Wasn't even a decent fucking player...
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What gets me is these footballers like Gabby , Cundy Ohara are getting these presenter jobs that really should be for journalists , media experienced people. Half of them can’t string a sentence and just trade off their name
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What gets me is these footballers like Gabby , Cundy Ohara are getting these presenter jobs that really should be for journalists , media experienced people. Half of them can’t string a sentence and just trade off their name
Yeah, like that Statman off the other thread. I think I’d much rather see him analysing on MOTD that that guffawing clown Richards or his mate Shearer.
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What gets me is these footballers like Gabby , Cundy Ohara are getting these presenter jobs that really should be for journalists , media experienced people. Half of them can’t string a sentence and just trade off their name
Yeah, like that Statman off the other thread. I think I’d much rather see him analysing on MOTD that that guffawing clown Richards or his mate Shearer.
Statman is very good and is used on Radio 5 live where he has the space to breathe. His content is very detailed and a bit niche for MOTD though where you only really have 90 seconds to say anything about the game.
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I actually don't mind MOTD. I don't love Richards. But I don't mind Lineker and Shearer too much.
That 'Statman' thing up the thread a bit is quite good too. I'd love to know if the stuff Emery works on with the players is 'just' that detailed or is another level up again.
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I like MOTD too. Most football fans have a 'no one likes us' attitude, even the Sky darlings always think there's a conspiracy. I don't think there's any bias against us whatsoever in the punditry, it's just as a club for the last 20 years we haven't been as interesting as we think we are and the coverage reflects that.
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
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Yes, I like Lineker.
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Shearer is a decent pundit, not too offensive and generally knows what he's talking about. Can't stand Lineker though, the knee-slapping twat.
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Knee slapping hahaha.
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I like MOTD too. Most football fans have a 'no one likes us' attitude, even the Sky darlings always think there's a conspiracy. I don't think there's any bias against us whatsoever in the punditry, it's just as a club for the last 20 years we haven't been as interesting as we think we are and the coverage reflects that.
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
I think this is the single most reasonable post I've read on here.
Boooooooooooooooooo!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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If you're looking for media bias, try the Grauniad.
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
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I like MOTD too. Most football fans have a 'no one likes us' attitude, even the Sky darlings always think there's a conspiracy. I don't think there's any bias against us whatsoever in the punditry, it's just as a club for the last 20 years we haven't been as interesting as we think we are and the coverage reflects that.
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
Bloody hell, I agree with every word here.
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If you're looking for media bias, try the Grauniad.
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
I read the Guardian’s report on the Wolves match last evening.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/08/wolves-aston-villa-premier-league-match-report
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Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
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If you're looking for media bias, try the Grauniad.
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
Last spring they had Live Score updates SF stage of Euro Comps Europa and Conf and didn't have the latter which Hammers were playing in. It is really poor - you can't tell who has been substituted off on their summary.
I read the Guardian’s report on the Wolves match last evening.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
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Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
He saw the highlights of the early shot that was well saved, the assist, the push chance and the late finish onto the post. He wouldn't have seen the mis-controls or other things for the full 90 that pretty much every player does.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I imagine you can substitute the Guardian there with the name of pretty much every media outlet.
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Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
I saw a fair few things during the week where it looked like people decided they wanted to talk about Villa off the back of the Brighton game. Problem for them was that we reveted to the off week setting and didn't fit their preplanned analysis.
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To be honest we really haven't looked consistently great away at any point this season, even in the games we've won. There's a massive disparity between our home and away form, and if we could close that gap (by making the away performances better) we'd be even higher in the table.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
I know, but it suits the hipster, cereal cafe, unicycling types it seems.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
Me too. I used to love - and still love - the results & tables page in the newspaper. I'll spend ages poring over every inch of it, looking at scores, attendances, goalscorers ... everything really, from the top division down to as far down as it goes. I loved it when we were going through New Street after a game (either cos we'd played away or were going to visit my grandparents after) cos it meant we'd get a copy of the Argus and I could take great interest in the results & league tables of the Festival League and whatnot. Likewise with the Scottish & Welsh leagues, I love checking up on how teams are doing in the Scottish 3rd Division, what their attendances are like, etc etc.
Still do the same when I visit my parents, they get the local paper (Mid Wales Journal) every week - I spend any visit intensively reading up on developments in the Mid Wales League (South) and soforth.
But anything off this island? It can get to fuck. I've no interest whatsoever in what happens in football abroad outside of a World Cup or European Championships.
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You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
I know, but it suits the hipster, cereal cafe, unicycling types it seems.
Or, just people that like football.
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I with you both, I couldn't give a shiny shit about games elsewhere.
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To be honest we really haven't looked consistently great away at any point this season, even in the games we've won. There's a massive disparity between our home and away form, and if we could close that gap (by making the away performances better) we'd be even higher in the table.
Is the away form that bad? Two wins and a draw from hard fought local derby isn't too bad from first 5 games.
Last season the away form was atrocious under captain calamity and that gave us an uphill task but we've lost very few aways under Emery.
Someone will probably point out what Spurs are doing. They've won 3/5 but had the chance to play Luton and Bournemouth already which we haven't so it should balance out over time.
I don't really get why we weren't at home yesterday. Everton and Man. United have both had back to back home games in last week (as did Wolves) so it seems odd that we have to wait until end of October to play the same number of homes as away in the league, just playing three at VP so far has hampered us a bit.
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The two away defeats coming at Liverpool and Newcastle too, probably two of the four hardest away games we can have.
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The two away defeats coming at Liverpool and Newcastle too, probably two of the four hardest away games we can have.
Newcastle just feels the eternal jinx ground for us. Liverpool we could've done better at the start but again they'll seriously challenge for the league imo.
Man. United showed last season you just need average away form e.g. beating most of the bottom half to finish top 4. Don't think Newcastle's away form was that amazing either for most of the season.
Win 11-12 again at VP and we'll be right up there as long as we don't mess up games away to likes of Luton and Sheffield United.
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Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
As I said elsewhere, it did feel as if he was determined to do an Ollie segment (in the week of his call up) irrespective of the game.
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I with you both, I couldn't give a shiny shit about games elsewhere.
It's one of the drawbacks having long standing mates who live all over the place. They are of the opinion that everyone is interested in Real Madrid.
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For all the criticism MOTD gets, I remember when ITV had the rights to the highlights. It was awful and people couldn't wait until the BBC got the rights back.
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For all the criticism MOTD gets, I remember when ITV had the rights to the highlights. It was awful and people couldn't wait until the BBC got the rights back.
Andy Townsend's Tactics Truck and the theme tune by U2.
Yeah, fucking hell, you make a strong point.
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Football highlights are far superior to what was being put out 20 years ago on both channels.
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
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Football highlights are far superior to what was being put out 20 years ago on both channels.
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
Thought it was going to be the one where Matt Jansen scored a cracker and we all got up and applauded it.
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
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I live 180 km from Barcelona, in a part of France that was, and still is in many people's hearts and minds, a Catalan province until the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659. It is therefore legitimate for one to be interested in FC Barcelona. I appreciate that if you live in Hay Mills this might not be relevant. :-)
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
"And don't be shy with the gammon"
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The two away defeats coming at Liverpool and Newcastle too, probably two of the four hardest away games we can have.
Also the fact that in both of those away games we lost a centre-half to injury early in the game. One a clearly very significant injury that will have affected the players a bit.
Even without those injuries, I'm not sure we get any points, but the nature of the defeats was definitely impacted by the key injuries happening to early while the scores were close.
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Football highlights are far superior to what was being put out 20 years ago on both channels.
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
Thought it was going to be the one where Matt Jansen scored a cracker and we all got up and applauded it.
It was.
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
"And don't be shy with the gammon"
Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
"And don't be shy with the gammon"
Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
No I'm not implying that and you know full well I'm not. The posters were doing more than pointing out what you say, they were jokingly denigrating those that are interested in continental football. (Again as you well know but chose to ignore) I responded in kind.
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It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
"And don't be shy with the gammon"
Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
No I'm not implying that and you know full well I'm not. The posters were doing more than pointing out what you say, they were jokingly denigrating those that are interested in continental football. (Again as you well know but chose to ignore) I responded in kind.
I'm also curious where any implied accusations of racism or bigotry were. Even ones in jest.
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Come on Dave, 'Brexity' and 'Gammon' are common references to bigoted opinions.
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I agree a lot of the media have a massive blind spot called "The Midlands". Does that make me a foaming mouthed bigot? PS I do love a spot of gammon.
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Come on Dave, 'Brexity' and 'Gammon' are common references to bigoted opinions.
I assumed he was channelling the Mr Egg menu.
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Come on Dave, 'Brexity' and 'Gammon' are common references to bigoted opinions.
I assumed he was channelling the Mr Egg menu.
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I’m not particularly interested in how Barcelona and Real Madrid are getting on, but I am interested in continental football in general. I don’t think this necessarily makes me a hipster.
But I am one ;-)
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Not sure what the fuss is about. I was at a Barcelona game at the Nou Camp back in March and most people in the crowd didn’t give a shit about the game. Their games seem to be an excuse to sell merchandise to tourists.
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Not sure what the fuss is about. I was at a Barcelona game at the Nou Camp back in March and most people in the crowd didn’t give a shit about the game. Their games seem to be an excuse to sell merchandise to tourists.
Really?
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Not sure what the fuss is about. I was at a Barcelona game at the Nou Camp back in March and most people in the crowd didn’t give a shit about the game. Their games seem to be an excuse to sell merchandise to tourists.
I went for my 40th Birthday to a game on a sunday night up in the Gods and it was all tourists
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How are Barcelona and Real Madrid getting on?
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How are Barcelona and Real Madrid getting on?
They’re both in separate rooms and refusing to talk to one another.
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FK Partizani keep trying to make me interested in them but I'm not having it. If you're not Stalybridge Celtic you can jog on.
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Barcelona are renovating their ground, knocking down lots of it and rebuilding over the remaining structure at a cost of around a billion quid. The capacity will be 105,000 after completion. A Ł200m sponsorship deal is in place at the 'Spotify Camp Nou'. In the meantime, they are playing their games at the Lluís Companys Olympic Stadium until the 25-26 season when they will return to the Nou Camp at reduced capacity (60k I think) while the last of the renovation work is done.
Apart from that it is fairly quiet.
The renovation project (https://www.barcelonayellow.com/fcb-football-sports/147-new-camp-nou-stadium#:~:text=The%20new%20Bar%C3%A7a%20stadium%20will,construction%20until%20season%202025%2F26.&text=In%202022%2F23%20season%20FCB,find%20hotels%20near%20Camp%20Nou.&text=For%20the%202023%2F24%20season,Llu%C3%ADs%20Companys)%20on%20Montju%C3%AFc%20hill)
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So if the red cnuts did not come back and spawn a late win - would it of been the game of the day?
I think not. The press narrative to get them some sort of traction is disgusting why dont they just accept they have had their day
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Just realised from the credits might not have watched it all season, it used to be a favourite thing for little AV, me having to name all the teams from the symbols.
So I quite enjoyed the Aston Villa show as MOTD2 felt for the first 3/4; lovely to have an extensive interview with Ollie front & centre.
I saw a pic of Deano interviewing the Maestro somewhere, presume this was from the live broadcast is there any link anywhere?
[edit - sorry just found it in the Unai thread]
Bit gutted I didn’t go today, but the girls loved (and I loved seeing them enjoy) theatre aimed at 2-5yrs ‘Wow! Said the owl’. I can’t be accused of always dragging them to football at least!
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Just realised from the credits might not have watched it all season, it used to be a favourite thing for little AV, me having to name all the teams from the symbols.
So I quite enjoyed the Aston Villa show as MOTD2 felt for the first 3/4; lovely to have an extensive interview with Ollie front & centre.
I saw a pic of Deano interviewing the Maestro somewhere, presume this was from the live broadcast is there any link anywhere?
[edit - sorry just found it in the Unai thread]
Bit gutted I didn’t go today, but the girls loved (and I loved seeing them enjoy) theatre aimed at 2-5yrs ‘Wow! Said the owl’. I can’t be accused of always dragging them to football at least!
It was a refreshing change and a welcome reminder of what football coverage could be if only it withdrew its head from the arses of the anointed few.
I like Jason Mohammed, and even Jenas made sense. Ben Mee, we can overlook.
Just think, we could have something like that almost every weekend, instead of the usual overly-long highlights of Man City & Liverpool, followed by the post-match interviewers teabagging our best chums, 'Pep' and 'Jurgen'.
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I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
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BBC Villa coverage again... not forgetting that Ollie has never played a full game for England but has 8 appearances and 3 goals...
Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Anon: If anything was to happen to Harry Kane before the Euros is Ollie Watkins a natural replacement? He seems to score goals for fun with Villa but never seems to replicate it for England.
I think this is probably something England manager Gareth Southgate does not even want to think about but I do still think Ollie Watkins has to prove he is good enough at international level.
He is, however, a very fine player and is doing his chances no harm – still a bit to prove for England, though. His winner in the friendly against Australia should lift his confidence.
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I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
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BBC Villa coverage again... not forgetting that Ollie has never played a full game for England but has 8 appearances and 3 goals...
Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Anon: If anything was to happen to Harry Kane before the Euros is Ollie Watkins a natural replacement? He seems to score goals for fun with Villa but never seems to replicate it for England.
I think this is probably something England manager Gareth Southgate does not even want to think about but I do still think Ollie Watkins has to prove he is good enough at international level.
He is, however, a very fine player and is doing his chances no harm – still a bit to prove for England, though. His winner in the friendly against Australia should lift his confidence.
Was that ghost written by Gareth?
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I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
I was thinking that. They mentioned he was getting back to fitness and I was also thinking "Fuck, that means he might be playing against us".
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I like Jason Mohammed, and even Jenas made sense. Ben Mee, we can overlook.
Same here, really like Jason Mohammed as a presenter and Jenas was fine apart from the strides he was wearing. Ben Mee's been on MOTD2 a couple of times and I'm not sure why they have him on as a current player. Leaving the Wesley incident aside, he simply hasn't been very good and it felt that Jenas was helping him through the analysis yesterday.
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Mee is on R5Live pretty regularly.
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Mee is on R5Live pretty regularly.
are you ? , sorry i will get my coat , also I still hate Mee
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Mee is on R5Live pretty regularly.
I read that with the voice of Jar Jar Binks.
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Just watched on catch up in between conference calls. Being the only game meant they could do some proper analysis - well compared to normal
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I hope Ollie wasn’t giving away too many secrets there!
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I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
I was thinking that. They mentioned he was getting back to fitness and I was also thinking "Fuck, that means he might be playing against us".
When we beat Brentford at home 4-0 last year I spent the afternoon giving Mee dogs abuse. I only found out after the game that the blond centre half wasn’t actually him but another player. In my defence we were on the very back row of the upper Holte.
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Wish they would shut up about “The Big Six” whether we’re included in that club or not.
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In their eyes we are not part of the big six. We are in the top 6 which is inconvenient for them. They are creaming themselves at the thought of Chelsea trying to get back in and would love Man U to be a part of it. Us, Brighton and Newcastle are a pain to have to discuss.
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It’s such a fabricated load of bollocks
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Yep, I was quite pleased when Ian Wright twice referenced Chelsea's performances against 'the top six sides'. Not that I believe in such crap, but to hear him refer to Chelsea and the 'top six' being distinct entities.
Then they bollocksed that by putting up that 'Chelsea vs 'the rest of the big six'' graphic. And then to joke "soon to be a big seven, Alan" to Shearer, who to his credit didn't respond.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
Can't believe he's 60. Just another depressing reminder that the '90s was a long time ago.
I like Ian Wright, and wouldn't call him arrogant, but he's certainly a lazy pundit.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
Of all of them, Ian Wright is one of the most complimentary of the TV pundits when it comes to discussing us in the media. Are you ever not miserable?
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
Of all of them, Ian Wright is one of the most complimentary of the TV pundits when it comes to discussing us in the media. Are you ever not miserable?
I think Shearer is very fair, when you consider he was the Newcastle manager when we sent them down in 2009 - and we mocked him personally.
I don't mind admitting that, while we were completely justified and represented nothing but the enjoyment that any fanbase would've shared at Newcastle going down on that day, if the roles were reversed I'd probably have held a grudge. Not as a fan, because they fucking deserved relegation and it was only their clueless self-awarded status as being 'everybody's second team' that made them bitch and cry so much - but as Shearer himself.
He's almost always very complimentary about us, and as a result I'm sometimes inclined to overlook what a dirty, elbow-y bastard he was as a player.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's done
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
I can not watch him, I can not believe the work he gets .
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's done
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
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The MOTD 'Club' consists of very outwardly so called big team supporters - 'Chappers' Manure. Shearer Newcarsssul. Richards Citeh. Wright. The Arse. They very rarely have anyone outside that says 'up the Villa' - except when Dublin is on as a token gesture. Hardly surprising the narrative then when we even threaten to be good. As far as I am concerned and mostly from history, the minute people start talking about us in national circles we inevitably fcuk up and go downhill as a result. Long may us being under the radar continue for that reason alone.
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Also if there is one thing I hate about this place it's the amount of grammatical/spelling corrections that get highlighted for point scoring against so called controversial/annoying posters in particular. Some people are good at English, some people are not. Some people need to relax.
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And as if to emphasise the point, I made my own grammatical error.
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Also if there is one thing I hate about this place it's the amount of grammatical/spelling corrections that get highlighted for point scoring against so called controversial/annoying posters in particular. Some people are good at English, some people are not. Some people need to relax.
Ha, I like that you felt you needed to edit that.
It's perfectly okay to start a sentence with also in both formal and informal writing, as long as that sentence continues the same train of thought as the previous sentence.
Just in case anyone was wondering.
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:-)
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's done
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.
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Also if there is one thing I hate about this place it's the amount of grammatical/spelling corrections that get highlighted for point scoring.
It doesn't really happen a lot though, does it?
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I like Ian Wright. He champions the women's game, he just seems like a decent, down-to-earth person too. Not sure if you've ever seen the video of him with his first teacher, who he'd not seen for a long time, but it was really touching.
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It happens too often. I suspect you’ve chosen to comment because if there was a special tribunal for this sort of thing you would be in the dock. It’s not a big deal I just don’t happen to think it’s necessary.
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I like Ian Wright. He champions the women's game, he just seems like a decent, down-to-earth person too. Not sure if you've ever seen the video of him with his first teacher, who he'd not seen for a long time, but it was really touching.
Yes that was brilliant. He’s just an ordinary guy underneath.
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It's very hard to resist upsetting Kippax right now, even if them doesn't know the rule on proper nouns, but I'll rise above it...
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.
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It happens too often. I suspect you’ve chosen to comment because if there was a special tribunal for this sort of thing you would be in the dock. It’s not a big deal I just don’t happen to think it’s necessary.
Making things up now. I rarely do this sort of thing as I'd be spending all day on it
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I like Ian Wright. He champions the women's game, he just seems like a decent, down-to-earth person too. Not sure if you've ever seen the video of him with his first teacher, who he'd not seen for a long time, but it was really touching.
Yes that was brilliant. He’s just an ordinary guy underneath.
Seems a top guy to me and yes that video is special.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's done
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.
I'm sure he wouldn't as he is after all an Arsenal supporter. Wright is usually very complimentary of our club and now the way we play the game. After years of being dismissed as nothing more than cannon fodder for the bigger clubs we are starting to get recognition. A few more seasons like this and he along with the rest will know our team's Christian names, second names, confirmation names, nick names and inside leg measurements. For the record, the only full name of an Arsenal player I can recall is Declan Rice. Nkethia I believe is a very good player for them but I haven't a scooby what his first name is.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's done
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.
I'm sure he wouldn't as he is after all an Arsenal supporter. Wright is usually very complimentary of our club and now the way we play the game. After years of being dismissed as nothing more than cannon fodder for the bigger clubs we are starting to get recognition. A few more seasons like this and he along with the rest will know our team's Christian names, second names, confirmation names, nick names and inside leg measurements. For the record, the only full name of an Arsenal player I can recall is Declan Rice. Nkethia I believe is a very good player for them but I haven't a scooby what his first name is.
I'm sure he's also miffed that Luiz turned down Arsenal in Jan. That pissed off the Arsenal fan base.
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I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
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You're making sure we won't forget your name Tim.
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I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
I’m glad I’m not the only one.
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I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
To be fair, with the size of your brood it must be like reciting Pi. :)
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He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you).
No it wasn't. You are utterly deluded. Take your tin hat off FFS.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
I can not watch him, I can not believe the work he gets .
Well BBC set to retain the Premier League highlights rights and broadcast Match of the Day till 2029
There's limited interest from other broadcasters.
So, will classic MOTD and MOTD 2 continue in traditional format until the end of this decade?
I think BBC need to be evolving to give highlights and shorts online shortly after matches end, rather than paying pundits . Hopefully they move with the times to invest more to broadcast match content and incidents putting it online and on iPlayer.
On pundits
Maybe they should just do away with pundits. Or only have coaches or ex coaches on and not ex players.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
If ever a cnut is guilty of stealing a living - stupid belly laugh at nothing usually, commenting on how macho he is and on a decent game show like A League of their own if he is not in the limelight for 2 minutes he has to pipe up with such faux "bants" it is embarrassing
Total waste of skin
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Well BBC set to retain the Premier League highlights rights and broadcast Match of the Day till 2029
There's limited interest from other broadcasters.
So, will classic MOTD and MOTD 2 continue in traditional format until the end of this decade?
I think BBC need to be evolving to give highlights and shorts online shortly after matches end, rather than paying pundits . Hopefully they move with the times to invest more to broadcast match content and incidents putting it online and on iPlayer.
On pundits
Maybe they should just do away with pundits. Or only have coaches or ex coaches on and not ex players.
The highlights package they buy probably doesn't allow them to put out content like you describe. As for the last comment; Yes, instead of former players, get coaches like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Patrick Vierra, Phil and Gary Neville, Steve Bruce, Peter Reid, Roy Keane, Martin O'Neill........
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I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.
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I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
I just start at the eldest and work my way down. I sometimes even make it to the dog, but as he's called Buddy, I get away with that!
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My old man did the chronological method. Annoying for my sister as she has three older brothers.
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Wright is a big fan of Ramsey, when analysing our midfield, I was hoping he would mention his name as someone we are without yet don't appear to be missing unduly.
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I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.
is he any relation of Dave Bardell ?
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My old man did the chronological method. Annoying for my sister as she has three older brothers.
There was fella near us called Frank Martin who gave his 11 kids names (in order) that started with the letters in his.
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I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.
Dan Bardell?
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Dan Bardell puts a lot of good content out on youtube
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I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.
is he any relation of Dave Bardell ?
Strangely, I think he is.
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He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you).
No it wasn't. You are utterly deluded. Take your tin hat off FFS.
I think he just forgot his name.
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Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
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Dan Bardell puts a lot of good content out on youtube
Who is Dan Bardell!
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Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though? I would imagine that would be the remit of any executive producer type bod?
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Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though?
I doubt it, plus he probably thinks a veto is a character from The Godfather.
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Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though?
I doubt it, plus he probably thinks a veto is a character from The Godfather.
Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
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Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
Think it's back in Homesavers now. :)
I know they haven't had it in a long while, plus the Iceland back-up option has closed. I managed to get 6 litres of it in the Charlestown store so also worth checking there if you've a run to Knock airport.
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Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
Think it's back in Homesavers now. :)
I know they haven't had it in a long while, plus the Iceland back-up option has closed. I managed to get 6 litres of it in the Charlestown store so also worth checking there if you've a run to Knock airport.
Must check that out, thanks.
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Dan Bardell puts a lot of good content out on youtube
Who is Dan Bardell!
The bloke from You Tube.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
I don't think hand feeding a shark is a good idea.
Also what about people who have been bitten by a shark? Please consider adding a trigger warning to these types of posts.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
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Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
I don't think hand feeding a shark is a good idea.
Also what about people who have been bitten by a shark? Please consider adding a trigger warning to these types of posts.
Hmmmm. I'm curious if you're being serious, but anyway.
I have been bitten by a (smallish) shark. It hurt, but life goes on.
I might also take the risk of it happening again if it meant handfeeding you to one, however.
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Ian Wright = good guy
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I remember I changed my opinion on Ian Wright years ago when we played Arsenal at Highbury. Ricardo Scimica was playing in one of his early games for Villa and he did really well in clearing a shot from Wright off the goal line. The first person to go up to Scimica to shake his hand and say well done was Wright, the first and probably the only time I’ve seen that type of sportsmanship. One of the good guys imho.
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Unlike Shearer, who was a nasty cheating prick of a player, still remember him tugging Bosnich’s arm as he was kicking from hand, with the miss-kick leading directly to a goal.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
He'll be one of the guys who will be genuinely pleased if we achieve something special this year.
Which I think we will.
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Another member of the Ian Wright fan club here. Fabulous player and decent human being.
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I'm the same with Wright.
I'd much prefer to listen to a journalist analyse a football match than an ex player. They tend to be more erudite, have a better grasp of grammar and generally have no particular bias. The sort of bias that kept Bruce in a job for so long and has an arrogant and dismissive attitude to the fans and their opinion (see McCleish and Gerrard). There are a few exceptions such as Pat Nevin and the much missed Jimmy Armfield but in general, laddish bants and barely coherent blabbering is why I fast forward between games on MOTD.
Oh, and the same pundits who are criticising VAR were the very ones screaming for it in the first place.
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Wright is probably one of the last players to make it big after living a relatively normal life before football, so is a little more grounded and in touch with reality.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
Recall reading an interview with him a few years ago that said pretty much that. The Villa fans would give him stick, he'd respond but there were no complaints after. Unlike other fans who can't wait to report a player for next to nowt.
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Wasn't there a game he was missing a European Final because of suspension and we gave him loads of stick. They stuffed
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
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Wasn't there a game he was missing a European Final because of suspension and we gave him loads of stick. They stuffed
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
We were singing "Ian Wright, wheres your final gone" the whole game
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Another Wright fan here and for the same reasons. Plus he was so good to watch if he wasn't playing against you.
[whisper]I really like Shearer too and still think he's one of the best players I've ever seen.[/whisper]
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Yes, i think he stood in front of the Holte end with his arms raised and a massive grin on his face for quite some time. It did make me laugh despite that fact that we'd conceded a goal. The other one from around the time was Dennis Wise for Chelsea who ran the length of the pitch doing the 'slaphead' taunt at some fan in the crowd who had been giving him shit all afternoon. Possibly shouting 'taxi' at him continually from memory.
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I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
"Ian Wright, where's your final gone?".
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The next season they battered us 4-0 at home around Easter and him and John Hartson ran riot, he came off towards the the end and it's one of the few times I've stood and applauded an opposition player off the pitch, part admiration and incandescent at our ineptitude as we slid towards the trap door.
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The next season they battered us 4-0 at home around Easter and him and John Hartson ran riot, he came off towards the the end and it's one of the few times I've stood and applauded an opposition player off the pitch, part admiration and incandescent at our ineptitude as we slid towards the trap door.
Was that the match where it absolutely pissed down?
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I have spoken with him a few times and he is as genuine as he comes across on TV. Never disparaging about the Villa
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The next season they battered us 4-0 at home around Easter and him and John Hartson ran riot, he came off towards the the end and it's one of the few times I've stood and applauded an opposition player off the pitch, part admiration and incandescent at our ineptitude as we slid towards the trap door.
Was that the match where it absolutely pissed down?
Oh yes.
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Thought so, I was lower Holte and it was a miserable experience that day.
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Wasn't there a game he was missing a European Final because of suspension and we gave him loads of stick. They stuffed
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
As I remember it we were a goal up until he scored twice in front of the Holte. He stood there with arms aloft, clearly centre of attention, and I'm thinking bastard. Then I quickly reflect and think well actually fair play. The Holte had given him dog's abuse for most of the game and he'd shut us up in the perfect way.
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You hate it in the moment, but that's a big part of football at its most magnificent, an opposition player giving it large in front of the home fans. Give me Deeney in front of the Holte or Martinez to the Stretford any day rather than some golf-clubbing wets chucking imaginary darts towards the camera nearest the corner flag.
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I remember Clive Allen at QPR giving it to the Millwall away end then he had a full scale pitch invasion on his hands .
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Place this here as from BBC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gm6922/the-football-news-show-how-villa-are-disrupting-the-elite
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I remember I changed my opinion on Ian Wright years ago when we played Arsenal at Highbury. Ricardo Scimica was playing in one of his early games for Villa and he did really well in clearing a shot from Wright off the goal line. The first person to go up to Scimica to shake his hand and say well done was Wright, the first and probably the only time I’ve seen that type of sportsmanship. One of the good guys imho.
David Speedie was a pretty unmentionable arse. However, back in the 90s he got a round of applause from the Holte End. Chelsea were pressing us hard and he had a couple of near point-blank shots on our goal only to be denied by two of the best saves I’ve ever seen. The goalie was Kevin Poole (a great shot-stopper, but a bit dodgy otherwise) and on both occasions Speedie came up to him and shook his hand.
I think this is also memorable for some twat locking his Toyota Carina ll with the engine running.
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Yes, i think he stood in front of the Holte end with his arms raised and a massive grin on his face for quite some time. It did make me laugh despite that fact that we'd conceded a goal. The other one from around the time was Dennis Wise for Chelsea who ran the length of the pitch doing the 'slaphead' taunt at some fan in the crowd who had been giving him shit all afternoon. Possibly shouting 'taxi' at him continually from memory.
Dennis Wise made me laugh. Not sure whether it was that game or not, think the one I'm thinking of was around Easter. Anyway, me and my Dad had seats close to the front row of the Trinity. There was an attractive girl in the front row and every time he was near, he was having banter with her (clearly on the pull).
My only Ian Wright memory was of him scoring a hat-trick in a 4-0 win against us. Probably the last game I can remember my Dad going with me. Edit - Just saw Lee B mention this game.
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Not MOTD but if you want to know what the mainstream football media want to see just look at the list of podcasts on ESPN FC.
(https://i.ibb.co/R2hNJry/IMG-0964.png) (https://ibb.co/R2hNJry)
And when you thought 3 or 4 shows on Chelsea/Man City wasn’t enough, yesterday was called
(https://i.ibb.co/q0GvsHc/IMG-0965.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q0GvsHc)
And the show in between on Man U. Because that subject hasn’t been covered enough.
Sides like us, Brighton even Newcastle don’t really matter. Prior to that was lots of Arsenal and Tottenham. Liverpool seem to be the least discussed of their big 6 of late but I’m sure they will address that eventually.
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I remember I changed my opinion on Ian Wright years ago when we played Arsenal at Highbury. Ricardo Scimica was playing in one of his early games for Villa and he did really well in clearing a shot from Wright off the goal line. The first person to go up to Scimica to shake his hand and say well done was Wright, the first and probably the only time I’ve seen that type of sportsmanship. One of the good guys imho.
David Speedie was a pretty unmentionable arse. However, back in the 90s he got a round of applause from the Holte End. Chelsea were pressing us hard and he had a couple of near point-blank shots on our goal only to be denied by two of the best saves I’ve ever seen. The goalie was Kevin Poole (a great shot-stopper, but a bit dodgy otherwise) and on both occasions Speedie came up to him and shook his hand.
I think this is also memorable for some twat locking his Toyota Carina ll with the engine running.
Please don't disrespect the nascent African Car Reverser.
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I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
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Dennis Wise made me laugh. Not sure whether it was that game or not, think the one I'm thinking of was around Easter. Anyway, me and my Dad had seats close to the front row of the Trinity. There was an attractive girl in the front row and every time he was near, he was having banter with her (clearly on the pull).
He was on the Concorde retirement flight that I was on. Doubt the onboard leg room was much of an issue for him.
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I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
He was also a GK. Bit of a nutcase.
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I fully believe in the son of Godhead. The world did indeed end in 1997 and we are now just the dreams of the reptilian overlords.
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I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
He was also a GK. Bit of a nutcase.
Apple Podcast:
"David Icke is a conspiracy researcher known across the world for his work on the 9/11 world trade centre attacks and the reptilian illuminati who he says rule the world from behind the scenes. David was a figure of ridicule earlier in his life but with his talks and books proving more and more popular by the day many feel he’s been vindicated on a lot of his theories."
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I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
Grand, I'll look forward to you explaining to us plebs what we already know about him over the coming weeks.
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I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
Grand, I'll look forward to you explaining to us plebs what we already know about him over the coming weeks.
Insight incoming Lee. Brace yourself.
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That is it. FV is Green Peen. I'm calling it.™
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
Danny murphy
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Fuck off Jenas, penis head.
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Fuck off Jenas, penis head.
Knew that would annoy people, not that JJ has to try too hard. If Spurs hadn't lost today, I bet he'd have been talking about a four-way race.
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Don't forget, sides that lose away to Forest don't finish in the top 6, so Jenas must be right.
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I find them all annoying, patronising and all dress like dicks . Jeans is the male version of Claudia windkleman now and I have very little time for them
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I like the way that the post-match discussion on who was going to win the title included Oil City, Arsenal and Liverpool, but not the team who are currently level on points with Liverpool!!
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Tbf they did mention us and said they can't see us being there at the end. What more can they say? We've not challenged for a title in how long? I'm OK with it. We need to prove ourselves over a full season and we haven't done that yet.
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Tbf they did mention us and said they can't see us being there at the end. What more can they say? We've not challenged for a title in how long? I'm OK with it. We need to prove ourselves over a full season and we haven't done that yet.
True. Keep dismissing us lifts the weight of expectation from the players. That all changes should we get a result v Man City and Arsenal.
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I told my wife this morning when she asked me if the Villa had won; if we win the league, I'll be completely naked for months, and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.
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I told my wife this morning when she asked me if the Villa had won; if we win the league, I'll be completely naked for months, and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.
I think the police might think differently. :D
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I told my wife this morning when she asked me if the Villa had won; if we win the league, I'll be completely naked for months, and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.
I think the police might think differently.
Haha. Well yes, but I don't consider them real people, so I'll have to continue my naked crusade in a cell.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Bollocks! I was in a hurry to get in first and got over excited. Much of a muchness though as you say Lee.
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I might be a miserablist but this does remind me a little bit of that season under Gregory when we were top at Christmas before falling away to 6th. Now, in terms of the coach there is no comparison. But in terms of the squad strength I think it does. The team is getting results on what looks like empty - a great trait to have. But, I cannot help but have this nagging feeling that we are two or three short still. We need to sign Muzzy Izzet as soon as the window opens.
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
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The way we play will hopefully conserve energy. We’ve hardly had to get out of second gear at home yet this season.
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
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Hasn't Emery himself said we're not one of the top teams yet and basically dampened down expectations a couple of times. I know he might be doing a little reverse psychology there, or just trying to keep the media attention off us, which isn't a bad thing either.
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
https://x.com/villa_woody1000/status/1728913603083047181?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
Sorry yes, thank you Mr Logic
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The Football Show on SSN have mentioned us twice now without the Spurs narrative in their trailers. Just waiting for the full discussion now, which should be okay as Warnock tipped us for top 4 at the start of the season.
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The Football Show on SSN have mentioned us twice now without the Spurs narrative in their trailers. Just waiting for the full discussion now, which should be okay as Warnock tipped us for top 4 at the start of the season.
I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
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Just seen that, Warnock (and the woman with him) absolutely fawning over us.
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I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
Sorry yes, thank you Mr Logic
Haha, sorry mate.
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I don't think he was tipping us for greatness but I remember Ben Foster saying at the start of the season that he'd seen a few of our pre season games in the US and he was very impressed with what he saw.
I think in general, good or bad, you can tell which pundits have actually been watching us on a regular basis, even last season, compared to the ones who are just so used to the "top6" narrative that they are being caught out repeatedly this season when they have to discuss a team other than the old reliables.
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Sue Smith - one of the few women pundits I like. As for Carney yesterday dear God. She was talking like she was in the aforementioned Jolly Fitter.
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Thought the analysis was decent on MOTD for a change. Correctly identifying that we destroyed them at set piece time, though Emery would have done well to guess Dier would stay on the bench and Spurs would play four full backs instead. Watkins exploited that well for his goal too, coming short to tease Davies out of position and taking full advantage. Don't think our performance warranted over the top praise, stayed in the game after a very rocky first 30 mins but still a bit too loose out of possession. Even when not at our best these days we still create a lot of changes.
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It didn't warrant over the top praise, no, but they could have analysed some of our better moments more than they did.
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
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I thought after we beat Liverpool at home in January 1981.
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I wasn’t old enough but seem to recall many comments on here it was after the home win against Liverpool in January.
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
yeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
yeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .
He was right though.
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Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
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I thought after we beat Liverpool at home in January 1981.
It was after that game - and it was on MOTD. I think the players have also commented it was the moment they really started to believe. I think we won another six on the bounce after that.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
yeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .
He was right though.
He was , and in fairness he does know a thing or two about the game
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
I can never get beyond that face. It's more than miserable, it's almost disgust.
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
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Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.
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Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
Agree he's not the worst, even though he doesn't seem keen on us. He does always look like he lost a pound and found a penny though.
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Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.
Look how many Villa players had been called up for England at that time.
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Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
Agree he's not the worst, even though he doesn't seem keen on us. He does always look like he lost a pound and found a penny though.
I think that's part of his shtick though. A bit like Roy Keane and Chris Sutton.
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Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon I noted that the tone is slightly changing towards the Villa now that we are no longer the soft and cuddly hard luck well played didn't deserve to lose type of team. I think there are two Spurs and a chelsea fan in that trio and Spurs guys couldn't understand why they didn't win and Chelsea fans said "there is nothing much about the Villa, saw them win at our place and the main difference is Villa have a goal scorer nothing else"
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
I can never get beyond that face. It's more than miserable, it's almost disgust.
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
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He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
You haven't read Rory's admissions in the 'Naive moments' thread?
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I might be a miserablist but this does remind me a little bit of that season under Gregory when we were top at Christmas before falling away to 6th. Now, in terms of the coach there is no comparison. But in terms of the squad strength I think it does. The team is getting results on what looks like empty - a great trait to have. But, I cannot help but have this nagging feeling that we are two or three short still. We need to sign Muzzy Izzet as soon as the window opens.
And Benny McCarthy as back up for Watkins
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Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon I noted that the tone is slightly changing towards the Villa now that we are no longer the soft and cuddly hard luck well played didn't deserve to lose type of team. I think there are two Spurs and a chelsea fan in that trio and Spurs guys couldn't understand why they didn't win and Chelsea fans said "there is nothing much about the Villa, saw them win at our place and the main difference is Villa have a goal scorer nothing else"
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
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Danny Kelly i don’t find too bad generally, but we did a job on both chelsea sand Spurs where we were patchy but scored the goals . But to ignore other games this season, Brighton and West Ham for example , it just comes across as bitter
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Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon...
i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
Not a Talksport listener, but I believe he likes a bit of polemic and is prone to offering opinions without substance, mostly just to get a reaction.
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Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.
Never forget that we didn't actually win the league. It was Ipswich that lost it. After all, we lost our final game, so that proves it - or so supporters of other clubs said at the time
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Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.
I am pretty sure Jimmy Greaves was a rare pundit who could see Villa had a squad capable of winning The Boat Race © Ron Saunders
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
I was 26 at the time and hardly missed a game. 2 weeks is about right though. Speaking with Sir Dennis last year he said they knew they stood the best chance of the title after the Liverpool game...and I think an awful lot of us thought exactly the same!
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Just looked it up....it was in January! I thought it was more like March(ish)!
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I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
I was 26 at the time and hardly missed a game. 2 weeks is about right though. Speaking with Sir Dennis last year he said they knew they stood the best chance of the title after the Liverpool game...and I think an awful lot of us thought exactly the same!
My recollection is that game brought us to the fore with the national press that we were serious contenders.
I also remember Frank McGee I’m the Mirror (IIRC) praising us to the hilt and saying we were going to be a big force that season after we lost 1-0 at Ipswich in September that season.
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WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
is it because he's got no choice now we are in the top 4 he couldn't help slagging us off every week
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He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
You haven't read Rory's admissions in the 'Naive moments' thread?
It was VERY naive of me to fart on that cake. I see that now.
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Danny Kelly is a very decent broadcaster.
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Danny Kelly is a very decent broadcaster.
I used to like listening to him and Danny Baker, but the last few years, DK has had a serious "never knowing when to shut the fuck up and let someone else speak for a change" problem.
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Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon I noted that the tone is slightly changing towards the Villa now that we are no longer the soft and cuddly hard luck well played didn't deserve to lose type of team. I think there are two Spurs and a chelsea fan in that trio and Spurs guys couldn't understand why they didn't win and Chelsea fans said "there is nothing much about the Villa, saw them win at our place and the main difference is Villa have a goal scorer nothing else"
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
Probably best to do the research then. Danny Kelly is fine and Hawksby and Jacobs are decent broadcasters. They are normally even handed, though Andy Jacobs (Chelsea) has said a few times over last month or so he doesn’t think Villa are anything special. To be fair today Kelly was a bit twitched, admitted we are a good side but said the Cash foul changed the game. Hawksbey the other spurs fan was a lot more even handed.
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You are right about those 3 and do like listening to them. I think the Spurs lads were being brave and protecting their plucky effort despite 115 million injuries. Jacobs is desperately trying to make Pochettino as the saviour and hates it as he keeps stalling.
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Jermaine Jenas on BBC Sport after Villa beat Spurs.
"I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
Simple thinking that One Game defines a season. It's a One show thing.
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Jermaine Jenas on BBC Sport after Villa beat Spurs.
"I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
Simple thinking that One Game defines a season. It's a One show thing.
Its a ludicrous statement to make. That "second string" Tottenham team was assembled at a cost of over 70 million quid more than the team we put out, and would still be the envy of pretty much every team in the bottom half of the table
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They had a centre half with 49 England caps sat on the bench.
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From what I saw on Motd2 Murphy and Jenas were begrudging the defeat. Theo Walcott was excellent fun and has recent playing insight. Certainly refreshingly so compared to serial vibe killer murphy!
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If Shearer was there who can be quite bland but truthful would have said it as simple as "Villa took their chances, Tottenham, who played very well overall, didn't take theirs" That's all that's required.
As for Jenas, "I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
By that I take it that he thought we were favourites to win at the start, I very much doubt it? Winning by one goal is only just getting over the line is it? Maybe they should put a little asterisk next to the result on the Beeb web site, Spurs 1 v Villa 2*
* = only just got over the line, not impressive.
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They had a centre half with 49 too many England caps sat on the bench.
FTFY.
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It's lazy to say it was a second-string side. Half of the team were regulars. Just like Mings, Moreno, Buendia and Ramsey were for us for the first 6 months of the Sultan's reign.
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Yeah it’s tedious - Spurs were clearly weakened, but it wasn’t luck that got us the win. We were pretty open, which we’ll need to address, but it’s not like that performance is the absolute pinnacle of how we can play. We won on the road, despite not being at our best - if Spurs had done that at Villa Park they’d rightly be praised.
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Not Match of the Day, but idiocy at BBC Sport. Just noticed this speak your brains gem on the Villa page:
We asked you whether you thought Aston Villa's current squad is the best in the club's history.
Sometimes I wish they'd just stop and think for a second. Is a squad that has risen nicely over a year but is yet to - or even look like they will imminently - win anything the best in a trophy-laden 150-year history?
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Most of the broadcast media are based in London or Manchester / Liverpool. Their consciousness does not extend outside the 'big 6' and they are fundamentally lazy and don't do any research. They wake up and act surprised and even offended at the results we have got but just do not understand the quality of players we have. It is as if the whole of the Midlands does not exist, a blur out of the window as they speed between Spurs and Manchester. The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
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Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
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Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
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How has a complete non entity footballer managed to get himself on TV on the top football show in England? Same as Danny Murphy the dull, boring, miserable prick. At least the latter had a more complete career.
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Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
Yes indeed, the word "played" is, to coin a phrase, doing some heavy lifting there.
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Amongst the galaxy of ex villa players who would make great pundits, Gabby stood out today for his Forest Gump impression on talkshite this morning. I'm not going to post a link because it truly is shocking.
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Gabby seems just another Robbie Savage. Say clickbait shite to generate traffic and actually contribute very little of substance. Fortunately I don't listen to TS so rarely come across his musings.
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Not Match of the Day, but idiocy at BBC Sport. Just noticed this speak your brains gem on the Villa page:
We asked you whether you thought Aston Villa's current squad is the best in the club's history.
Sometimes I wish they'd just stop and think for a second. Is a squad that has risen nicely over a year but is yet to - or even look like they will imminently - win anything the best in a trophy-laden 150-year history?
I saw that. It arose from the (I’m not a fan, the podcast feels rather smug/I’m in charge you are my lackies) MOMS BBC column. In fact I didn’t even need to go back to source, they actually did quote it when asking the question:
Is Villa's squad the best in club's history?
Have your say
BBC Sport's Aston Villa fan contributor David Michael has argued that the Villans' matchday squad could be the best in the club's history in terms of "quality of depth".
Villa fans, we want to hear from you. Do you think Unai Emery's men make up the strongest squad yet - or is that a step too far? What other squads could take the top spot?
Let us know your thoughts here
I think arguing it might be our greatest squad depth isn’t as crazy as best ever squad, or at least it’s a lot clearer.
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
There's quite a few episodes on Youtube.
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
On the very rare occasions I have heard Paul do pundit work I actually thought he was very good, but he obviously feels it's not for him.
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
It's a weird old show. If you believe the set up, he's not told who he's interviewing before they come out, and then he just wings it. Leads to some really interesting chats right enough.
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
Dublin loves Villa. Saunders and Gabby are dire regardless of love. Townsend has liking for us . Merson defo and Hendrie too
The rest have little association or want of one to Villa. They have time for us. Although only the bellend Micah bad mouths the club
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The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
Dublin loves Villa. Saunders and Gabby are dire regardless of love. Townsend has liking for us . Merson defo and Hendrie too
The rest have little association or want of one to Villa. They have time for us. Although only the bellend Micah bad mouths the club
He wasn't like that on the podcast / MOTD team zoom call they seem to do after the weekend.
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Wilson been dismissive of us all season. Not sure how five wins and two losses at St James' and Anfield is inconsistent, but whatever. Fuck him. Villa are coming.
One of us. One of us. One of us.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/dec/02/even-if-aston-villa-slip-off-the-title-pace-unai-emery-has-shown-his-true-worth
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Jonathan Wilson is a Sunderland fan.
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Wilson is fine, and generally pretty balanced.
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Agreed. And he’s a fine writer too.
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What about that buffalo, Glendenning (he is from Laois, isn't he?)?
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What about that buffalo, Glendenning (he is from Laois, isn't he?)?
You know well where he's from. As an aside, I've yet to hear a BBC news reporter try to pronounce 'Laois'. I'm guessing it would be some bastardisation of 'Laos'.
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
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I think that's basically 'girl' without the l, ie gur, not jur.
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
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And the next time I hear some commentator say "Luca Dinya" I'm going to smash my TV.
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Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
His best years were definitely his early ones. He had 21 England caps by the age of 26. Then the injuries started. Spurs loaned us out a crock there, more fool us for taking it up...
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
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Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
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Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
It's kind of funny given these names are the anglicised versions of the real Irish place names, and yet they still can't pronounce them.
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Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
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And the next time I hear some commentator say "Luca Dinya" I'm going to smash my TV.
How is it said? I've searched for him saying his own name and can only find 2 where he says his first name, and he pronounces the s. So Lucas, not Luca.
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One of these might be useful:
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I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
That's interesting, I hadn't really noticed a big difference. More emphasis on the 'Mid' in Ireland?
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I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
That's interesting, I hadn't really noticed a big difference. More emphasis on the 'Mid' in Ireland?
No, more on the 'LANDS'. It's more MIDlnds here.
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If you want a good laugh try putting a sat-nav on in a Ford vehicle.
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
It's not common around here at all, it's nearly always Gerry (or Gerard).
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Well, the midlands is a peculiar place ;)
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Well, the midlands is a peculiar place ;)
Quite possibly, we even pronounce it MID-lands here. :)
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Credit where it's due, they couldn't have been much more positive about us tonight.
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What else could they say? We were magnificent.
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Would be akin to an art critic giving The Starry Night a 3/10. Sometimes you're left with no option.
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I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
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I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
Still got in his obligatory mention of the Holte End being in fine voice though.
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I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
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To be fair to them even if Gobbie Cabbage was on the panel they could hardly be critical of a team that had just destroyed the treble winning English and European champions.
I am still shaking - cannot wait to get home, break out a single malt or 3 and watch the entire game again ;)
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Would be akin to an art critic giving The Starry Night a 3/10. Sometimes you're left with no option.
Although that wasn't particulalrly well received at the time.
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I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
MOTD is a highlights programme. The Prime live showing apparently had the atmosphere audible. I’ve had fans of other teams telling me how great it sounded.
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It’s really enjoyable watching our games again right now. Calm and collected with the result wrapped up. And so many great ones to choose from. None more so than last night of course.
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I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
MOTD is a highlights programme. The Prime live showing apparently had the atmosphere audible. I’ve had fans of other teams telling me how great it sounded.
Sounded like he was commenting from.a.studio and not actually at the match is was so sedate.
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See Footy Focus is the usual Manure barfest today. 🤮
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Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
Late to the party on this, but i'm not even the only Ger in my company. When i worked in london my director went for the Grrrr pronounciation of my name, but it went on so long i couldn't really correct him.
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Ian Wright saying it should have been a pen , what a fucking tool that bloke is !!
I did tell ya
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Barley even noticed us. Wankers
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Pathetic coverage of us again.
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That was embarrassingly one sided analysis.
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We're under the radar. Long let it continue.
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Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
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Arsenal being petulant, sulky, entitled twats? Surely not.
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I think it was Lineker moaning about VAR when neither the penalty or the handball in the match actually being given by VAR that showed the bias.
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I love that controlling the ball with your hand, deliberate or not, should be allowed if you’re scoring a goal.
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I like Wrighty, I believe he loves football in general but Arsenal in particular. I wouldn't have expected him to think anything else. The referee disagreed, so be it.
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Tbf the BBC are always balanced - they've got Arsenal legend Ian Wright and Villa legend Jermaine Jenas to analyse it.
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Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
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I kind of guessed they would look at the Palace pen and thought it compared to ours. Of course a player diving in with force against one standing there is very much the same.
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Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He’s not a “twat” though is he? He and Lineakar are both wrong in terms of we should want more goals. But difference of opinion doesn’t mean they’re worthy of insult.
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I don’t think it was have a go at us day. More about the rules. On this occasion. I don’t really care though I prefer us under the radar.
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Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He had the same handball complaint against Bournemouth's one. But I wouldn't doubt he would think it was a pen. I mentioned myself that we had seen them given and not seen them given. I think Lineker had it right that if the ref had given it, VAR would have agreed. In this case he didn't, probably because he said he had seen it and didn't think it was anything much with the striker losing control, and VAR couldn't find that clear and obviously wrong.
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Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He’s not a “twat” though is he? He and Lineakar are both wrong in terms of we should want more goals. But difference of opinion doesn’t mean they’re worthy of insult.
I do wonder how many goals have been given by VAR and how many have been disallowed. Any stats out there with just those figures? I would guess offsides would mean more disallowed but not by much.
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I don’t think it was have a go at us day. More about the rules. On this occasion. I don’t really care though I prefer us under the radar.
Yup I think it’s a complaint about the rules, rather than the decision itself. I think they’re wrong on that anyway, but it’s not really a dispute on this decision.
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The Ref blew for handball immediately, he was close to the action and in perfect position. Even after watching the replay of the handball I couldn't say one way or tother so you rely on the ref, it's his call.
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Var has got a lot more decisions right. It’s just that the ones they get involved with that look bad are getting all the headlines.
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it hit Havertz hand and also arm . Brilliant refereeing and Ian Wright go cry more
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no mention of villas record run on MOTD, no real analysis of the goal and the 10 players involved in what was an absolute thing of beauty . If Arsenal had scored a goal like that Lineker would have been needing armbands to float in Wrighty's spunk
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Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
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no mention of villas record run on MOTD, no real analysis of the goal and the 10 players involved in what was an absolute thing of beauty . If Arsenal had scored a goal like that Lineker would have been needing armbands to float in Wrighty's spunk
Ewww
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Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
he uses soundbites he needs to keep his core audience on side, the bloke has sold his sole for $$$ , even works for M&S and other big names
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He traps the ball with his arm. Jesus dives. Get to fuck you salty lego headed ****** Arteta.
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You can tell Ian Wright is desperate for someone to expose our high line. Can't remember if he was on their first weekend when Newcastle did do it but I remember last season he was calling us out v Spurs at home?
If we're still catching Saka off regularly (on the rare occasions he wasn't rolling around on the floor) then clearly we're just very very good at timing it aren't we Ian?
You'd never guess he played in a George Graham team.
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i did tell you Ian Wright was a ******
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Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.
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Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.
the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
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Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
he uses soundbites he needs to keep his core audience on side, the bloke has sold his sole for $$$ , even works for M&S and other big names
From M&S he probably gets new shoes to replace the ruined ones, or maybe it is fish he is selling for $$$.
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Don't care,had a drink and knackered so Ian 🖕
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Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.
the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
Substitute the word gooner for Villa and would cover a lot of us off here too
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This is a fanzine. A punk rebellious forum against the establishment. He's on the BBC acting like a salty twat.
He's a dire pundit. The sicknote next to him is too. Neville and Carragher are myopic too, but at least they say something worth listening to.
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glad we all can see what he is now
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no mention of villas record run on MOTD, no real analysis of the goal and the 10 players involved in what was an absolute thing of beauty . If Arsenal had scored a goal like that Lineker would have been needing armbands to float in Wrighty's spunk
Ha ha! You’ve made me spit my beer out!
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Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
Yeah, I'd go with this. I like him, but as soon as I saw he was on I knew we wouldn't be getting objective, reasoned analysis.
His "worst law of all laws" comment, while presumably meant to be tongue-in-cheek, absolutely belonged on fanzines and forums, not on a programme that claims to be impartial.
I didn't particularly care, because the sulking of Arsenal fans makes our victory all the sweeter, but ffs Ian, you're on the telly, get a grip, mate.
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Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.
the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
Substitute the word gooner for Villa and would cover a lot of us off here too
We're not being paid a tidy wedge to.appear on national TV and provide informed analysis on games though.
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
And you say Liverpool and Arsenal fans over react???
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .
Silly absolutely…sackable no
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .
Silly absolutely…sackable no
he's seen the Villa and he should hence forth fuck off home, 8)
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
Eyerolling maybe, sackable? Come on now.
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he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
Dont be ridiculous. This is football, not politics.
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Watching their coverage they should have had the headline "We wuz robbed". You'd think the ex spurs players would revel in Wrightys pity but they seemed to agree. I can forgive Ian Wright, he is what he is, but the other two didnt have to agree with him.
As for the 'analysis' what you will never ever hear from an ex player is whats so obvious to all of us, the players cheat and simulate all the time then surround and intimidate the ref to try to bully him into getting their way and the managers encourage it, esp true of Arsenal. Take when Luiz made contact with I think Jesus, well yeah he made contact but then Jesus threw himself to the ground, its cheating. The delay between the kick and Jesus tumbling is obvious and the way he fell is unnatural, they always tumble - never flat on their face. The ex player pundits never call it out, its like a players union thing to protect their own.
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Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.
Agreed
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if you will watch rubbish like MOTD and get surprised that they talk utter crap.....manage your expectations....
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Lineker banging on about VAR, when other than taking too a bit too long, both decisions had very little to do with VAR. The referee didn't give the penalty (correctly) and chalked the goal off for handball (again correctly). All VAR did was not overturn them as they weren't clear and obvious errors which is a rare case of it doing exactly what it's meant to.
And to pour more scorn on the BBC's football reporting, the post match interviewer had his tongue so far up Arteta's arse I bet he could taste his liver. Practically begging him to moan about the decisions given against him, as if the BBC bloke himself had decided they were wrong.
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Watching the MOTD highlights back this morning, at the very end Jenas gets the last word in and disagrees that it was a penalty. You can then see Ian Wright clearly muttering to himself when the camera pans away. Jenas seemed clearly to be on a windup with a slight smirk on his face.
As for Lineker, he should watch his back, because I reckon the BBC have Jenas lined up to replace him at some point.
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Our goal was outstanding, I’m not sure how many passes and how many different players were involved but they only showed part of that goal and not the full passage of play. They could have discussed this in more detail. That’s my only bugbear.
I like Ian Wright, he loves Arsenal and that’s ok with me. I’m glad he was was pissed off though. It meant we won!
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The other thing I chuckle a bit about is the pundits on Sky and BBC arguing that the handball rule is stupid because we want the game to be more of a “spectacle”. In what way does that goal being given add to the spectacle?
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Our goal was outstanding, I’m not sure how many passes and how many different players were involved but they only showed part of that goal and not the full passage of play. They could have discussed this in more detail. That’s my only bugbear.
I like Ian Wright, he loves Arsenal and that’s ok with me. I’m glad he was was pissed off though. It meant we won!
Yea i don’t really have a problem with Ian Wright or his love for Arsenal, he’s normally fairly even handed. He’s got more credibility for me than Jenas who talks a lot of shite, like the arrogance of the Spurs comments a couple of weeks ago.
Saying that i thought the coverage wasn't great last night, focusing on correct decisions and undermining them.
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The pundits can support who they like, it shouldn't mean though that one team gets virtually ignored. If I wanted to see an idiot spouting shite about Arsenal I'd watch that Arsenal Fan TV nonsense on Youtube.
Honestly, when they're having the production meeting for the key points to take from our game, how on earth did they decide that Lineker's views on VAR would be the thing to focus on? Not us winning 15 home games in a row, or beating the league leaders in the same week as last year's champions? Or that there's a new team potentially disrupting the usual top clubs for the first time since Leicester? It's just lazy, piss poor TV.
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The pundits can support who they like, it shouldn't mean though that one team gets virtually ignored. If I wanted to see an idiot spouting shite about Arsenal I'd watch that Arsenal Fan TV nonsense on Youtube.
Honestly, when they're having the production meeting for the key points to take from our game, how on earth did they decide that Lineker's views on VAR would be the thing to focus on? Not us winning 15 home games in a row, or beating the league leaders in the same week as last year's champions? Or that there's a new team potentially disrupting the usual top clubs for the first time since Leicester? It's just lazy, piss poor TV.
It is, but then I think ‘great, we’re under their skin’. We get pats on the back until we start turning their favourites over.
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My thoughts as well LeeB. We were praised midweek as there was literally nothing else that happened in the match because we dominated so much. Even if there was a city player on the panel, they couldn't have said anything in their teams favour.
This week, and against Spurs, both times the opposition had good chances to win, and potentially decisions that have had decisions which could have turned the match go against them, so of course those were the topics. The main mistakes for me were Linekar deciding to have his VAR should be removed rant when neither decision was given by VAR but the on-field referee, and Wrights crap spouted at the very end.
For the penalty claim, I actually agreed with Linekar that if the ref had given it VAR wouldn't have over turned it, that it wasn't clear and obvious one way or the other to override the refs call. However as MOTD is deleted after a week, I can't find his takes on the multiple decisions against Wolves this season that were given. These even led to Webb stating some were wrong and reminding VAR that they can overrule the on field ref decision of penalty if the contact is minor / accidental.
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10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
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Worth noting commentator said Havertz pretty much caught it.
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Worth noting commentator said Havertz pretty much caught it.
The only one on MOTD last night that wasn’t watching though rose tinted/agenda based spectacles.
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10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
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And to pour more scorn on the BBC's football reporting, the post match interviewer had his tongue so far up Arteta's arse I bet he could taste his liver. Practically begging him to moan about the decisions given against him, as if the BBC bloke himself had decided they were wrong.
I thought he was trying to Bill Grundy him.
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Arteta "clear and obvious" about Jesus.
It was a clear and obvious dive you massive wanker.
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10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
they did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it
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Just watched this - one word
PATHETIC.
The narrative is so biased it might aswell be arse-tv.
Where is insightful analysis - Luiz v Rice, 15 matches at home, SUE factor, highlight of McGinn or Carlos, the subs, the offside traps instead a we should have won wankfeat from twat wright.
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Wright is a dismal pundit. I remember when Northern Ireland deservedly beat England and he just sulked like a child afterwards.
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Penalties are often a grey area and down to interpretation. There are some that are 100% not and 100% penalty but many are somewhere in between. This one for me was fractionally less than 50/50, and would have been soft if given but it has happened. They are right that VAR is wank though. That penalty given against England the other week after the ref went over to view it on the screen is an example of why. All this fucking around and you still get decisions as totally wrong as that one.
The handball should not have been given and Wrighty, who I normally like has a bad case of sour grapes there. Needs to have a word with himself really, he is there in a professional capacity. It seemed to me that it touched the forwards hand at least three times before it was bundled over the line, the ball would have changed path / direction each time and therefore to allow it would have been ridiculous.
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The handball - put it this way, if his hands where behind his back, like most defenders do these days, would the ball have stayed where it was for so long before falling at his feet - No.
Therefore, the ball was controlled by hand/arm, not another part of the body.
Disallowed was the correct decision, and redeemed the Ref for other match incidents that where in Arsenals favour, and not according to the rules - shirt pulling being the main culprit.
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The handball - put it this way, if his hands where behind his back, like most defenders do these days, would the ball have stayed where it was for so long before falling at his feet - No.
Therefore, the ball was controlled by hand/arm, not another part of the body.
Disallowed was the correct decision, and redeemed the Ref for other match incidents that where in Arsenals favour, and not according to the rules - shirt pulling being the main culprit.
Spot on, Neil.
Up until the handball it really felt like we were playing against twelve men.
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Of all the VAR incidents, a handball decision not being overturned is Lineker’s tipping point? I can only imagine they’d lovingly prepared a whole segment on Arsenal’s never say die attitude and scoring of goals past the 84th minute and we messed it up.
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10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
they did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it
No one covered it on anywhere apart from a few mentions on here post match. Nothing on Sky or many in the match thread. Even the extended highlights PWS found started at the same time as the BBC footage. Even you never mentioned it last night here until you saw the same link in the match thread 15 minutes after it was posted. As I mentioned, the normal MOTD breakdown is pointing out something from one team, something from another and then a general pick of contentious decisions of which Arse had two and we had none. They did almost 2 minutes on McGinn, then almost two minutes on Arsenal being poor in attacking, then obviously the VAR thing for Jesus which took another 40 seconds, of which the opinion of one was definite pen, the opinion of another was not a pen and two stating, we have seen them given but VAR was going with the onfield decision as not clear error.
It is amazing how we want everything covered for us, but forget the McGinn coverage because that was at the start and just see it being biased against us with no mention of Villa.
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10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
they did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it
and Sky would have done a two-part documentary on it
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The Villa bitesize highlights don't feature the full move. They start from after Tielemans' touch.
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The Villa bitesize highlights don't feature the full move. They start from after Tielemans' touch.
the full move is on X
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I reckon they might have got that penalty if Jesus hadn't decided to dive. As it is, I don't know why he wasn't booked for crimes against am-dram.
Wright's "worst law ever" was just a piss take, and while Lineker should have known before it was introduced that VAR is not needed, his u-turn is rare and welcome, whatever flawed reasoning lies behind it. But I'm more than happy for people to complain about poor Arsenal. Being portrayed as the upstarts that upset the victims of Suffolk didn't diminish my enjoyment of 1981 in the slightest. More of it please.
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I reckon they might have got that penalty if Jesus hadn't decided to dive. As it is, I don't know why he wasn't booked for crimes against am-dram.
When you watch it in slow motion you can see him thinking how do I make this look worse. He has ample time and opportunity to stay on his feet there, it's embarrassing to watch him fall over like that.
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I reckon they might have got that penalty if Jesus hadn't decided to dive. As it is, I don't know why he wasn't booked for crimes against am-dram.
When you watch it in slow motion you can see him thinking how do I make this look worse. He has ample time and opportunity to stay on his feet there, it's embarrassing to watch him fall over like that.
He’d have got through an audition for the Bolshoi Ballet for that one.
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We're just going to have to get used to the media being against us, a few ex-Villa players in punditry jobs wouldn't do any harm either.
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
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We're just going to have to get used to the media being against us, a few ex-Villa players in punditry jobs wouldn't do any harm either.
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
we have a few but they are all bellends - Lescott, the laughing hyena, Sutton, Jenas . Stephen Warnock is one of the better ones
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Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
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Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
in fairness he's found his level at Talksport
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Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Townsend had his truck......
Agree with McInally, just a shame they decided that Best could do Manure, McLintock could do Arsenal, but it Alan was too biased if he did Villa so stopped him doing them.
Merson is a bit hit and miss on their as well.
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We're just going to have to get used to the media being against us, a few ex-Villa players in punditry jobs wouldn't do any harm either.
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
we have a few but they are all bellends - Lescott, the laughing hyena, Sutton, Jenas . Stephen Warnock is one of the better ones
Villa legends!
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Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Townsend had his truck......
Agree with McInally, just a shame they decided that Best could do Manure, McLintock could do Arsenal, but it Alan was too biased if he did Villa so stopped him doing them.
Merson is a bit hit and miss on their as well.
One day in the distant future Tyrone Mings will politely readdress the balance.
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It is worth noting for all their drizzling about VAR that Stockley Park did not overturn any referring decisions last night. Therefore if it hadn't existed the only difference would have the game finishing a little earlier
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It is worth noting for all their drizzling about VAR that Stockley Park did not overturn any referring decisions last night. Therefore if it hadn't existed the only difference would have the game finishing a little earlier
that's what Lineker and Wright and their small brain didn't seem to grasp . Pair of bellends
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It is worth noting for all their drizzling about VAR that Stockley Park did not overturn any referring decisions last night. Therefore if it hadn't existed the only difference would have the game finishing a little earlier
They over turned the penalty at Palace.
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It also gave another one. But he is talking about our game being as it was the one Linekar decided to use on "not liking VAR anymore" decision, which is weird because VAR was not used to overturn any decisions, just to confirm them.
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The penalty could have been given against Luiz, we've all seen them. It wasn't enough contact for me, but I would say that!
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The penalty could have been given against Luiz, we've all seen them. It wasn't enough contact for me, but I would say that!
It could have been given, I’ve seen them given, but then I’ve seen lots of incorrect decisions over the years.
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The only thing we got lucky with is how this particular referee allows decisions to be made.
Both the Luiz "foul" and Havertz "goal" could have gone the other way. Both were close enough that VAR wasn't going to overturn whatever decision was made on the pitch.
Gillett seems to be one who prefers to not "make the decision" and let VAR tell him he's got it wrong rather than the other way round.
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I don’t think we are under represented in the media. There is Townsend, Hendrie, Dublin, Warnock, O’Neill, Smith, Sutton, Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor, Jenas. The problem is that the ones who have any credibility/ gravitas have minimal affiliation with us. Ultimately this is because we have been largely shit for the last 25 years. Good players haven’t tended to spend much time with us. What do we realistically expect?
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We are under represented on the big shows e.g. MOTD / Sky Super Sunday etc which is dominated by the likes of Wright, Murphy, Shearer, Richards, Neville, Carragher, Redknapp.
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I don’t think we are under represented in the media. There is Townsend, Hendrie, Dublin, Warnock, O’Neill, Smith, Sutton, Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor, Jenas. The problem is that the ones who have any credibility/ gravitas have minimal affiliation with us. Ultimately this is because we have been largely shit for the last 25 years. Good players haven’t tended to spend much time with us. What do we realistically expect?
The above have varying affection towards Villa like you say. Though Townsend, Dublin, Hendrix and Alan Smith always back us. Gabby exaggeratedly so!
You can also add Keown generally though his true loyalty was shown that even though he also shows respect about Villa in game last season he was celebrating Arsenal win at Villa Park
Other notable pundit mentions of Villa linkage in mainstream media
Crouch , Sidwell, Joe Cole, Enni Aluko, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Anita Asante and of course Paul Merson and Tim Sherwood who do sky soccer scores.
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I don’t think we are under represented in the media. There is Townsend, Hendrie, Dublin, Warnock, O’Neill, Smith, Sutton, Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor, Jenas. The problem is that the ones who have any credibility/ gravitas have minimal affiliation with us. Ultimately this is because we have been largely shit for the last 25 years. Good players haven’t tended to spend much time with us. What do we realistically expect?
I'd largely agree with this. Without thinking or indeed caring too much about it, I'd say Chelsea are probably under represented in the media given the success they've had in the last 25 years.
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Given and Richards tonight XD
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Oh surprise Spurs on first
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MOTD2 noteworthy for Pep not getting the badge in, and Micah not guffawing.
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Just listened to the Totally Football show and it was nice that in the 7/8 mins on the game they pretty much exclusively talked about Villa and did not mention the non-penalty or the non-handball.
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Just listened to the Totally Football show and it was nice that in the 7/8 mins on the game they pretty much exclusively talked about Villa and did not mention the non-penalty or the non-handball.
Sounds like people doing their job right
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Oh surprise Spurs on first
4-0 and the two challengers for a top 5 finish, why wouldn't it be?
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Man City first ? or Fulham (5-0) but no Spurs due to the BBC bias
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Man City first ? or Fulham (5-0) but no Spurs due to the BBC bias
Why do you think that a routine win for the Champions against the team everybody thought and probably still thinks is going to be relegated or a game between two mid-table clubs is more interesting than a game between two clubs who are hoping to finish in the top four?
If either of those two matches were more interesting then you'd have a point. But they weren't.
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Man City first ? or Fulham (5-0) but no Spurs due to the BBC bias
Why those should either of those two been first? Goals scored. Well both had 5 goals. City, wouldn't you have just been going "City first, typical bias". I suspect if Luton had won, they might have leapt into first place.
BTW, Fulham won 5-0 last Wednesday as well. Why weren't you complaining they weren't first over a 1-0 victory match then?
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I am more convinced than ever that VillaTim is Flinstone!!
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ok, why were Spurs on first ?
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Because topish of the table trumps middish-table. Personally I'd have been tempted by Everton v West London's Third Best Team, but that's just going by scorelines. Didn't watch any of them. Maybe the Nearly Men Derby was better.
I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
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I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
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I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
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Most of them that I encountered were Fulham fans, although with as much interest as you'd expect for Fulham fans.
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I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
We were first because it was 3rd v 4th in the league.
And if the Spurs match was 0-0 or 1-0, I might have been more on your side about why that one and not one of the others, especially if it was 10th against 12th. But when complaining about them being first when it was a also a match with five goals and two teams fighting for fifth just seems a moan for the sake of moaning.
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I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
We were first because it was 3rd v 4th in the league.
And if the Spurs match was 0-0 or 1-0, I might have been more on your side about why that one and not one of the others, especially if it was 10th against 12th. But when complaining about them being first when it was a also a match with five goals and two teams fighting for fifth just seems a moan for the sake of moaning.
are you sat there in a Spurs tracksuit or something ;)
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Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
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Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
Whilst not giving us a hope in hell of winning the title ahead of his beloved Citeh.
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I didn’t think he was saying that.
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He's a twat in any case, whatever he says.
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I didn’t think he was saying that.
I thought he was, he sounded quite incredulous when the possibility of us being title contenders was raised. Not that I'm particularly bothered what the buffoon "thinks".
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I didn’t think he was saying that.
I thought he was, he sounded quite incredulous when the possibility of us being title contenders was raised. Not that I'm particularly bothered what the buffoon "thinks".
Why do they need this clown ?
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Can’t say he upsets me that much, seems reasonable enough.
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We aren’t title contenders. Not after this many games.
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He's a twat in any case, whatever he says.
This.
Dump him in a piranha tank.
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We aren’t title contenders. Not after this many games.
In which case, nobody is.
We're title contenders until we stop being such.
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I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
The teams we want to be talked about in the same breath as have mostly won 15 or more trophies since our last. They have budgets 2 or 3 times what we have. So yes, Emery is brilliant and we are playing great football, but it's hardly a surprise that pundits / non Villa fans remain sceptical about whether this is sustainable or a bit of a streak of form. For the same reasons, until recently we have simply been less interesting to viewers than other more successful clubs so it follows we got less airtime and attention.
It's not a conspiracy. It's because we've been shit. Emery looks like he is capable of putting it right and the attention will follow. In the meantime, relax and don't get too upset if a PL table graphic excludes us, or a pundit thinks we're more likely to fall away than challenge Man City and Liverpool. The truth is I agree with them and think 4 or 5th would be an incredible achievement this season.
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It doesn't look like it's going to be a 90 points type of season to win the title, as the top 6 is very competitive with everybody taking points off everybody else. Man Ciity have lost as many games already as they did two in the whole season two years ago. So I would guess the winner will probably finish on a points total somewhere in the mid to high 80s. Emery has served up just over two points a game since he arrived, so even if he *only* achieves two points a game for the rest of the season, we'd finish on 79 points which is guaranteed top 4. If we can improve the away form, even only marginally, then we're right in the mix. If we'd picked up a combined 3 more points from Wolves, Forest or Bournemouth we'd be top now.
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Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
He's a Manchester United fan isn't he?
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I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media. The reality is the Illuminati don't like the fact that we refer to ourselves as the Villa.
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I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media.
Well that's because for most of the last ten - fifteen years it's because they have been really quite good.
I'm pretty sure that if we spend the next decade regularly finishing in the top four, occasionally challenging for the title and ending up in the latter stages of the Champions League on multiple occasions then we would feel pretty put out if weren't experiencing "prominence in the media".
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I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media. The reality is the Illuminati don't like the fact that we refer to ourselves as the Villa.
Well that's because for most of the last ten - fifteen years it's because they have been really quite good.
I'm pretty sure that if we spend the next decade regularly finishing in the top four, occasionally challenging for the title and ending up in the latter stages of the Champions League on multiple occasions then we would feel pretty put out if weren't experiencing "prominence in the media".
My post was partly tongue in cheek, but Spurs have been unduly prominent in the media for as long as I can remember. Until the last couple of weeks, their good start to the season with 'Ange-Ball' got far more attention than Villa under Unai's sustained excellence for the best part of a year.
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Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
He's a Manchester United fan isn't he?
He is. Posh boy from Altrincham. Faar less smug than he used to be.
Richards is such a div mostly.
The producer is a very superstitious Villa fan who doesn't like them talking about us.
They have good journos on - Rory Smith is NYT and Adam Crafton from The Athletic.
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My post was partly tongue in cheek, but Spurs have been unduly prominent in the media for as long as I can remember. Until the last couple of weeks, their good start to the season with 'Ange-Ball' got far more attention than Villa under Unai's sustained excellence for the best part of a year.
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Even when I was young Spurs and Man United who were mid/upper mid table sides a lot of the time (although both won Cups) seemed to have incredible amount of a much scarcer media profile
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The great thing about pundits is that I rarely watch them over here. Consequently, the amount of fucks given expressed as a negative integer is -1.
If I do become aware of any bollocks being spouted then a) see paragraph 1 above, sentence 2, and b) They can "Fuck off!". The twats!
If they do praise us then
a) That is correct and normal and, also, b) see paragraph 1 sentence 2 above.
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Don't you have Remi Garde on Canal Plus any more?
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I don't listen to the fuckers. They have Collymore droning on in the studio but he's overdubbed by a simultaneous translator and that pisses me off even more. Just subtitle the ******!
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I don't listen to the fuckers. They have Collymore droning on in the studio but he's overdubbed by a simultaneous translator and that pisses me off even more. Just substitute the ******!
FTFY
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Let them carry on talking about spurs
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67736470
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I thought Shay Given was pretty decent on there last night.
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I thought Shay Given was pretty decent on there last night.
He's okay, if a little bland. He also appears on RTE, but I much prefer Richie Sadlier and Didi Hamann in their line-up.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67736470
Too busy doing quiz shows!
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I thought Shay Given was pretty decent on there last night.
that bloke certainly knows how to sit on the fence.
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Ian Wrighty on MOTD tonight
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Ian Wrighty on MOTD tonight
I wonder what biased inane drivel this expert will subject us all to tonight
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Ian Wrighty on MOTD tonight
I wonder what biased inane drivel this expert will subject us all to tonight
no no no he's a top bloke mate allegedly
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He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
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He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
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If that’s the case then it doesn’t really come through in his punditry, at least to me. He always seems decent enough to me for the most part.
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If that’s the case then it doesn’t really come through in his punditry, at least to me. He always seems decent enough to me for the most part.
Agreed, Wrights fine.
You can dislike the world if you try hard enough
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he's stepping down soon thankfully
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He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
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Ian Wright giving full respect to Watkins. And both he and Shearer saying Mee sending off was correct.
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Didn’t think there was much in that Kamara red myself.
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Just noticed that a Brentford player grabbed one of our players around the face in the net in the same way Kamara did. Seemed VAR missed it.
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And Kamara got a hand to the face in the melee after the Watkins goal which was similar to what he got red for. Still stupid of him to raise the hand and get riled up.
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He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
He was interviewed a while back and said he hated playing Villa as the fans always gave him a hard time
It may even be in his autobiography
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
Its in his autobiography
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Fair play to MOTD.
We were first on and despite all the shenanigans and pearl clutching by the match commentator, Wright and Shearer backed Villa on pretty much every talking point.
And rightly so, they just laughed at the Martinez shithousery for what it was.
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Didn’t think there was much in that Kamara red myself.
Not really but nowadays a hand in the face is a red card and he got one. No complaints about the decision, he shouldn't have done it.
Their no 33 was lucky not to get one too. VAR not doing their job on that occasion.
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Thought they were quite fair to us tbh
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The twat from robotwars on commentary was a bit over the top. He’s such a terrible commentator.
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Had to watch it tonight as I missed all the fun today.
Ian knows we are a coming.
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Didn’t think there was much in that Kamara red myself.
You could see a player push Kamara away by the throat in the net when Watkins was celebrating, no card yet Kamara gets a red for the same offence.
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I don't have a problem with Ian Wright. He can be quite funny but his analysis is sometimes a bit sketchy. He doesn't have a problem with us in my opinion in fact he's been pretty complimentary to us this season. I thought both him and Shearer were very lenient with Ben Mee although they both agreed the red card was correct.
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The twat from robotwars on commentary was a bit over the top. He’s such a terrible commentator.
I quite like Pearce, but he does look like a man who's suffering from the ravages of alcohol. I wish him well.
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Brentford v Villa first up on MOTD. Liverpool v Man U on last. That almost feels like the start of a new world order 😉
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Brentford v Villa first up on MOTD. Liverpool v Man U on last. That almost feels like the start of a new world order 😉
They're still all over the back pages. One even has a headline about how boring it was.
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He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
He was interviewed a while back and said he hated playing Villa as the fans always gave him a hard time
It may even be in his autobiography
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
Its in his autobiography
Personally if we were mentioned I suspect it was because we stopped him in the league cup semis and took the piss in the next league meeting. He then put two passed us including the last minute winner. And then two more at Vila Park the next season as well.
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Wright often speaks well of us, this is one of my favourites
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1325572800871010305
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My sixpenneth on MOTD. Both Shearer and Wrighty both very complimentary about Villa's ability to beat City and Arsenal, then go to Europe and not fail at the next 'banana skin'. These are ex-footballers who know what it takes to have that inner strength on top of sheer football skills to remain focused and resilient when everyone is waiting for them to fall at the next hurdle. Fair do's to them for their insight and also for their straightforward views on Ollie, recognising that he did nothing wrong and gave back as good as he got. I was beaming.
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Being 1st on MOTD2 is a sign of progress.
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Being 1st on MOTD2 is a sign of progress.
Missed us as I expected us to be last again: couldn't believe that That Liverpool v Manure Game was instead!
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Being first on MOTD means:
1) the ‘top 6’ didn’t do a lot televisually, and,
2) Our kid, Emi/Dibu, World Number 1 GK, went nuts and upset an opposing player. 👍🌟
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Credit where it's due, the analysis last night was perfectly reasonable. No hand wringing or histrionics about the player behaviour and the ridiculing of both our keeper and that other idiot was pitched perfectly, they were to be laughed at for their antics. And the defence of Watkins was great, his reaction wasn't extreme and players do have the right to respond. When we gave Wright abuse and he made that gesture with his hand up his shirt I think most people respected him for it, there was no outrage I seem to recall.
And the decision to feature our game was correct, it had the most incidents and therefore was the most entertaining.
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The twat from robotwars on commentary was a bit over the top. He’s such a terrible commentator.
I quite like Pearce, but he does look like a man who's suffering from the ravages of alcohol. I wish him well.
I find him extremely irritating and he was hysterical at the end and even cheered when Kamara was sent off.
I thought the summary from Wright and Shearer was excellent and I’ll miss Ian Wright at the end of season. He’s a nice man and gets being a supporter. He’s completely biased towards Arsenal, but I don’t mind that.
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"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He was joking. Not exactly one of Wilde's, but exaggerating for effect.
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
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"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He was joking. Not exactly one of Wilde's, but exaggerating for effect.
I would argue he was sulking and just spouting hyperbole. He just always pretty much over-reacts to Arsenal matches as shown with his clenched fist punch at the start of the studio segment last night after their highlights. Any other team and he is about the same as any other ex-footballer on there, occasionally states something profound but mostly bland.
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
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I don't like [insert name]. You shouldn't like him either and he should never work again and he hates us and he is the worst thing ever. If only there was some way I could avoid him or rise above it, but he exists solely to attack me and all I hold dear and there's nothing I can do about it.
Why must life be so unfair?
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Given his replacement will inevitably be Jenas, I reckon leave him where he is.
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Given his replacement will inevitably be Jenas, I reckon leave him where he is.
Jenas will lose his voice week 2 and be sidelined for the ret of his contract (whilst still drawing full wage).
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
It's not a job share if someone is moved on surely?
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
How's your job as controller of Radio 2 coming on?
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It’s not a ‘job’ if somebody is a “self-employed consultant”.
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
Prime Minister?
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
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the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
It's not a job share if someone is moved on surely?
No, you're right. But I meant that a job share is taking turns to do the job.
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Fascinating. You can’t stand Lineker. What an interesting piece of news.
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Here’s a thought, why don’t we all just get along and respect others views and opinions, even if they’re different. Imagine that.
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Here’s a thought, why don’t we all just get along and respect others views and opinions, even if they’re different. Imagine that.
It will never catch on.
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Yes it will.
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Good luck with the cat herding.
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
Both in fairness
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
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he mixes his position in sport (taxpayer funded) with his political beliefs . A big no no for me and against BBC rules.
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I'd be fascinated to learn more about your views on public service broadcasting. Have you got a Substack?
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If you were easily swayed you may think Linekar was being 'politcal', where actually he was just being a decent human being, but then it seems a great number of people struggle with this distinction.
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He doesn't say anything on MOTD does he? So what's the difference? He's a citizen like you are, he can say what he likes. He's not even a newscaster or anything.
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"Keep politics out of sport."
Google translate has it as "Keep politics I don't agree with out of sport."
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he mixes his position in sport (taxpayer funded) with his political beliefs . A big no no for me and against BBC rules.
It really isn't, as has been confirmed recently.
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LeeB sums it perfectly for me regarding Linekar's viewpoints, which by the way are always aired while not on the BBC.
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I don't remember him missing too many open goals.
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he mixes his position in sport (taxpayer funded) with his political beliefs . A big no no for me and against BBC rules.
No he doesn't.
He talks sport on the bbc for his job & he makes his political beliefs known on his personal social media accounts.
And in a free society, he is perfectly entitled to make his views known.
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
Both in fairness
Okey dokey. Putting your contempt for free speech to one side (I suspect debate isn't going to lead us anywhere on this topic), what don't you like about his presenting of MoTD? I prefer him to all other sports 'anchors' personally. I think he's generally knowledgeable, and not noticeably partisan apart from in a jokey way when it involves Leicester and unlike other anchors on other channels, has direct experience of the game he's talking about.
The Rest of Football podcast is listenable too, despite Micah Richards being on it!
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not for me , lazy style of presenting , and contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
Anyway i think he'll be gone in the next couple of years and replaced and not before time. "Wrighty" gone soon too.
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The only reason I know what Gary Lineker thinks about anything non-football is because those he disagrees with shout about how terrible he is. I don't follow him, don't look out for any of his comments and am not really fussed to bother. But he flops out an emoji and the frothing begins.
It's the same the other way. I've always thought the main reason outlets like Fox News or, especially, GB News are known to most is because those who don't like them can't stop going on about them. It's counter-productive though, as you just end up publicising what you hate and alienating people to the extent they find solace where you don't want them to.
Rise above it, or maybe quietly boycott Walkers crisps. Either way, don't read a newspaper because they really do like to force an opinion on you.
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not for me , lazy style of presenting
This! Can't stand Lineker and his lazy style of presenting.
What does he do to earn his considerable crust? Just sits there, occasionally leaning back, occasionally leaning forwards. What kind of an example is that to set in a country plagued by an obesity epidemic? And how often does he get either of his hands above shoulder height? Has anyone ever seen him break a sweat? I'm not even talking about visible wetness on the shirt - just some light beading on the upper lip or forehead would be enough.
Some shortness of breath would also be nice. Again, I'm not expecting him to be panting like he's run a marathon, but just some modest signs of exertion. Something to show he cares, that he puts some effort into the job.
Some of us, I'm sure, remember Mr Motivator. Apparently, he used to do 12 (TWELVE) hours of training for every hour he spent on air. I bet Lineker doesn't do half that. And it shows in his lack of on-screen energy. Do some pull-ups while you're talking about Bournemouth-West Ham! Do some fucking burpees!
I bet he couldn't.
The number of times I've raised this stuff with the BBC. Just last week I wrote to them, asking why the presenter of a programme that is ostensibly about sport was allowed to do his job while not wearing sporting attire. As with all things BBC, it's deeply, deeply hypocritical.
Anyway. Glad to finally meet a kindred spirit.
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VillaTim’s posts are not for me. Very lazy style of talking bollocks.
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Personally, I don’t view Linekar’s posts or comments as political.
I see them as the thoughts and opinions of a thoroughly decent human being.
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Lineker
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Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Fascinating. You can’t stand Lineker. What an interesting piece of news.
I know. Shocked I am.
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If you can get fully wound up into hating on Gary Line-acre (Mick Channon pronounciation), possibly the blandest, nicest, most inoffensive bloke to ever come out of Leicester, then you probably need to readdress your moral compass and stare into the mirror for several minutes.
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I cant ever think of Gary, without thinking of Wayne. Now there is a "character".
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
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"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
Given his interest in 1930s Germany, I thought Lineker might have gone for the 'July 1933 Citizenship and Denaturalization Law'. Surprisingly, he agreed with Wrighty's take.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
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He doesn't say anything on MOTD does he? So what's the difference? He's a citizen like you are, he can say what he likes. He's not even a newscaster or anything.
Which is acceptable when you agree with the message. Would you be as tolerant if you did not agree with him?
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
From the man in previous posts over recent weeks and months, have used such nuggets as ‘birds’ presumably when walking straight out of a 1970’s British sitcom, with a Robin Asquith swagger, oh and then there was the ‘touch of a rapist’ comment on some thread or other going back, God there are so many. Your a class act and your opinions on whose a ‘twat’ or ‘hypocrite’ etc etc are to be taken very seriously.
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
From the man in previous posts over recent weeks and months, have used such nuggets as ‘birds’ presumably when walking straight out of a 1970’s British sitcom, with a Robin Asquith swagger, oh and then there was the ‘touch of a rapist’ comment on some thread or other going back, God there are so many. Your a class act and your opinions on whose a ‘twat’ or ‘hypocrite’ etc etc are to be taken very seriously.
Very similar to previous posters SilhillVilla and Coppers Injury.
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
If he felt so strongly about it perhaps he should have stayed at home . I'm sure somebody else would have stepped in .
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You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
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You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
Correct . Hypocrite.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
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You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
He did. Al Jazeera is an incredibly clever propaganda tool from Qatar, so they can pump their special brand of bollocks into the region, while equally craftily having built Al Udeid so the Americans can keep them safe. Sneaky sneaky.
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
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I dont find him offensive. He has bland views, the most interesting thing to happen to him was shitting himself at a World Cup and he has a creepy brother. He does make a good podcast or at least finances it.
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You have to be a particularly sensitive person to let Gary Lineker upset you.
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contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocrites
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
If he felt so strongly about it perhaps he should have stayed at home . I'm sure somebody else would have stepped in .
If you feel that strongly about him, why not boycott MOTD?
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I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
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Better still, boycott H&V
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I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
I boycotted most of football let alone MOTD. A shit Villa makes everything else pretty much irrelevant.
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I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
Ha ha, yeah me too.
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I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
Ha ha, yeah me too.
Yep, add me as well, I reckon in that decade I watched about 10 games in England that we weren't playing in.
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On Lineker I think he is an excellent host for MotD, he’s slick and knits everything together well, some of the pundits who are supposed to provide expertise leave a lot to be desired though.
His politics are irrelevant to his ability as a broadcaster as he doesn’t deliver them on MotD though I appreciate he is a bit idealistic and not extreme enough for some
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
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Thought Wright was good and balanced as usual.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
VillaTim has told on himself quite a few times.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
Not really, if you think stereotyping is something reserved entirely for the right wing and try to weaponise it against the left like this you do very little other than make yourself look a bit silly.
Also it's worth noting that generally 2500 posts (or near enough) is a pretty decent sample size to get an idea of who someone is and the poster you've decided to jump into bat for has done very little to suggest SE is wrong.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
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Watch it most of the time.
Prefer Chappers as host being honest. Wouldn't have said that 10 years ago. Good to see Shay Given being given a chance as MOTD pundit.
Wright improved a lot on that more recently but rubbish on England ITV coverage. Looking forward to Richards improving similarly but then again more likely to have good game for Villa.
I'd say Line-acre as Channon used to call him has one more Worrld Cup.
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
Correct. We've all.got the hypocrite vibe to lesser or greater extents!
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
Correct. We've all.got the hypocrite vibe to lesser or greater extents!
Indeed as Michael.Corleone said to Senator Geary.
Not everyone is a self-aware of own said hypocrisy mind. The richer the less so in my experience.
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For anyone centre-left or further it's virtually impossible to live in modern Britain without being a bit of a hypocrite and you learn pretty quickly to pick your battles.
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
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Oh God, he's going to mention the working class soon, isn't he?
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
He had a choice
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Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
He had a choice
By that logic, so do you - you can strip all domestic appliances from your life.
Starting with your router, ideally.
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Hahahaha!
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
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Like i say he had a choice as a wealthy man to back up his views with actions rather than just use them as a PR stunt. . And lets while we're at it just sweep under the carpet the millions he earnt from Al Jazeerah shall we.
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
Well, she married you...
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
Well, she married you...
She was in too deeply that point.
And I still had hair.
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
It’s actually something to cut channels in wood, plaster etc. Ironically, we pronounce that device the same way that Americans pronounce the box of magic that allows us access to the beneficence that is the internet.
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WHO HAD TO BRING UP HAIR ISN'T THAT RIGHT-WING?
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And a massive caravan.
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Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
I remember about 20 years ago, Severn Trent launched a (short lived) broadband service. One night an advert for it came on telly, and my Mrs asked me how come Severn Trent were offering broadband.
I told her the latest innovation was 'water modems' and broadband through water pipes. She believed me, up to the point I didn't have the heart to laugh at her, I felt such a ******.
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Gary Lineker is a bad man and speeding drivers are fine.
They walk amongst us.
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And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
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And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
All easily towable too.
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Didn't Lineker make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
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And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
All easily towable too.
Borderline Bibby Stockholm.
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
True. At least Gary Lineker can stand appropriately.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
Testify.
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
Ben Thatcher's tackle was pretty bad to be fair. Very Matty Cash.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
Testify.
Preach!
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Offering affordable, flexible accommodation solutions in this gig economy is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be honoring such wealth creation.
Bloody politics of envy.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
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Offering affordable, flexible accommodation solutions in this gig economy is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be honoring such wealth creation.
Bloody politics of envy.
*Thatcherism intensifying*
Goooooood, let it flow through you!
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Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
Please report to to the Matty Cash Institute of Arseholes for cancellation, you nasty man!
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Offering affordable, flexible accommodation solutions in this gig economy is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be honoring such wealth creation.
Whatever you say, Brad.
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WHO HAD TO BRING UP HAIR ISN'T THAT RIGHT-WING?
Don’t start me off. I am 100% diversity friendly. I have gay relatives, black friends, my wife is a woman, but still it’s ok to mock a small and insignificant patch of slightly thinning hair…
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
It's really only Discos that get the colour coding right these days.
Do Golden Wonder still exist?
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Squares are blue. If you ate a Disco and a Square simultaneously, you'd cry all the water out of your body and die.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
that's incorrect though.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
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Their Salt and Vinegar crisps were weapons grade strength, I've not seen them in yonks.
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Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
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We don't have this problem in Ireland, where Walkers are not widely available, or just ignored for their inferior quality.
Nordy Mr Tayto has yellow cheese & onion. Perhaps not unsurprisingly avoiding green all together. But I don't think that's Gary Lineker's fault.
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You can buy Golden Wonder crisps in Home Bargains. Their spring onion flavour is nice.
Unlike Matty Cash and Gary Lineker.
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Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
i prefer their Sizzling King Prawn but they are hard to find
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You can get Prawn Cocktail Watsits so it's fabled.
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
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We don't have this problem in Ireland, where Walkers are not widely available, or just ignored for their inferior quality.
That's because our kids have the best literacy rates in the OECD and EU, and don't need crisp packets to be colour-coded to figure out what flavour is in it.
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You can get Prawn Cocktail Watsits so it's fabled.
I have some of those in the cupboard right now, they're my daughters favourite.
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We don't have this problem in Ireland, where Walkers are not widely available, or just ignored for their inferior quality.
Nordy Mr Tayto has yellow cheese & onion. Perhaps not unsurprisingly avoiding green all together. But I don't think that's Gary Lineker's fault.
Our local Morrisons (I only went there because it was the height of covid and the queues outside Sainsburys and Waitrose were insanely long) has a 'foreign foods' section, a very large chunk of which seems to be Irish food.
My Mrs was very excited to see you can still get 'tiffin' Dairy Milk in Ireland.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
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You can get Prawn Cocktail Watsits so it's fabled.
I have some of those in the cupboard right now, they're my daughters favourite.
Yeah, they come in the multipack don't they?
Oh hang on, no, I'm thinking of Quavers.
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Picked up some festive fare earlier. https://shop.keoghs.ie/products/roast-turkey-and-secret-stuffing-crisps-6x125g
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
that's incorrect though.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
Ha ha ha, very true this.
Also, congratulations on having even shitter weather than we do.
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He doesn't say anything on MOTD does he? So what's the difference? He's a citizen like you are, he can say what he likes. He's not even a newscaster or anything.
Which is acceptable when you agree with the message. Would you be as tolerant if you did not agree with him?
Late to this but: yeah.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
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Are prawn cocktail comestibles still referred to as Fanny fries?
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
When we lived in Norway they had one brand that we liked and of those there was only 1 flavour I liked (paprika bbq or something equally unusual), trips to the UK were a treat.
I have to side with the Irish brotherhood though, Tayto crisps are much better than anything we have.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
What colour packet does that come in?
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
I lie - there's also about a billion corn snacks. All different shapes, but all cheese flavoured. As if the shape is where you're looking for your variety.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
Whoa, I've banned that shit from my dinner table and I'm not even joking. Her and her mom like it but even the sight of it turns my stomach, disgraceful stuff.
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You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
What colour packet does that come in?
Beige.
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
that's incorrect though.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
I'm not wrong (again). Do me a favour, go to Tesco tomorrow and get yourself a meal deal (Ł3.40 it's great value) you get a sandwhich a drink and a snack ie crisps. You will be hit with a wall of McCoys plus some other options . But McCoys are mainstream crisps whether you like it or not, they are.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
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I've never heard of it, not seen it, less eaten it and I understand 8th century Saint puns. Dafuq do you make sauce out of bread? Sounds like slang for thrush.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
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Iceland sold Christmas Tree flavour crisps a few years back.
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This sounds dumb, but years ago I remember M&S had a new flavour of crisps that was - baked potato flavour. I know, it sounds dumb. But they were the best crisps I ever had.
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Oh mate, you have no idea. Mexico has the shittest crisps available to man. The ideas are good - tomato: I like tomatoes! Cheese: nobody likes cheese more than I do! Chilli: bring it the fuck on! All of them, an absolute disgrace to crisps. And it's worse in Albania. Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps. SALT AND VINEGAR, YOU CNUTS!
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Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
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My local Sainsburys crisp section is pretty much Walkers, McCoys and their own brand, and nothing else.
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I've never heard of it, not seen it, less eaten it and I understand 8th century Saint puns. Dafuq do you make sauce out of bread? Sounds like slang for thrush.
It's basically soggy bread with onions and a bit of seasoning. Absolutely vile and features on nearly every British Christmas cooking show I've ever seen. Nigella, Delia, Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey etc. etc.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
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This sounds dumb, but years ago I remember M&S had a new flavour of crisps that was - baked potato flavour. I know, it sounds dumb. But they were the best crisps I ever had.
This. This. This. This. E-fucking-mense.
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Last year Aldi had some pigs in blanket flavour crisps that were the shape of Wotsits. They were nice.
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This sounds dumb, but years ago I remember M&S had a new flavour of crisps that was - baked potato flavour. I know, it sounds dumb. But they were the best crisps I ever had.
You wouldn't have liked them quite so much if they were called Baked Himmler, WOULD YOU? Or Paprika Von Schirach?
Oh no, though, it's all fine with your left wing potato flavours.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
They're very good I agree. Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar and the new-ish black garlic and sour cream flavour (in a purple packet) is fantastic.
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One of the fancy Irish brands had a black pudding flavour for a while, and they were amazing.
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I've never heard of it, not seen it, less eaten it and I understand 8th century Saint puns. Dafuq do you make sauce out of bread? Sounds like slang for thrush.
It's basically soggy bread with onions and a bit of seasoning. Absolutely vile and features on nearly every British Christmas cooking show I've ever seen. Nigella, Delia, Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey etc. etc.
Ah it's a cunning ruse to export these cookery shows with bread sauce, so that you forrins think our cuisine is shite so you don't come and eat all our beef flavoured Monster Munch.
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Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
Jesus, if the bluenoses ever see this thread…
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In the 80's Hedgehog flavour crisps were nice (tasted a bit like chicken), can't remember who launched them
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Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
that's incorrect though.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
I'm not wrong (again). Do me a favour, go to Tesco tomorrow and get yourself a meal deal (Ł3.40 it's great value) you get a sandwhich a drink and a snack ie crisps. You will be hit with a wall of McCoys plus some other options . But McCoys are mainstream crisps whether you like it or not, they are.
*with a weariness of spirit*
Tim, just because a supermarket sells a brand of crisp, that doesn't mean they control their brand and marketing.
Supermarkets now tend to copy the Walkers "green" for their own salt & vinegar crisps. Whereas they always used to be blue.
McCoys isn't a supermarket crisp. It's just a crisp that supermarkets sell.
Thanks for making this less fun than it was.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
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Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
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In the 80's Hedgehog flavour crisps were nice (tasted a bit like chicken), can't remember who launched them
green bag i think
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
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AV84 is right, bread sauce is an abomination. Ads, when it comes to Monster Munch it goes 1) Flamin' Hot, 2) Pickled Onion. We don't agree on much, but I can let politics go. On this, my fists will be laid all over you.
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Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
We had the christmas sandwich offering from Cafe Nero on Saturday, it was very good.
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Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
We had the christmas sandwich offering from Cafe Nero on Saturday, it was very good.
I've had that one, too, and agree, very nice indeed.
Although felt a bit sick afterwards.
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AV84 is right, bread sauce is an abomination. Ads, when it comes to Monster Munch it goes 1) Flamin' Hot, 2) Pickled Onion. We don't agree on much, but I can let politics go. On this, my fists will be laid all over you.
Beef Monster Munch is better than the other two. This is a red line issue.
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Wow, that's me told. I did not know how much you followed what I said so much. If you know the answer to my question then add mind reading to your sanctimonious skill set.
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Last year Aldi had some pigs in blanket flavour crisps that were the shape of Wotsits. They were nice.
I reckon they might have been the sausage roll ones. If so, I bought a pack in Coventry Aldi a week ago.
Like a Wotsit but the size of your thumb, and really good.
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Anyone tried the KFC Christmas thing with the stuffing and cranberry sauce?
(https://brand-uk.assets.kfc.co.uk/2023-11/W9_23_STUFFING_BURGER_BANNER_800x800px_65Q.jpg?VersionId=z_I7pn6r5FxN6DX3QOTw6Pa5sW9bztv4)
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Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
Ha! It's the whore's pasta one.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
Salt and Shake. I think walkers took over the company that did them and now Walkers branded. Was it Golden Wonder?
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
Nothing is too good for the working class, or so they tell me.
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
These are the ones I remember as a nipper a bag of them and a glass bottle of coke with a shit paper straw and stuck outside a pub hours.
(https://museumofcrisps.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/saltnshake-3.jpg?w=387)
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AV84 is right, bread sauce is an abomination. Ads, when it comes to Monster Munch it goes 1) Flamin' Hot, 2) Pickled Onion. We don't agree on much, but I can let politics go. On this, my fists will be laid all over you.
Beef Monster Munch is better than the other two. This is a red line issue.
Pickled Onion followed by Beef or Flamin Hot.
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You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
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Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
Ha! It's the whore's pasta one.
You're right, there are many crisp flavours, but you've ruined the only puttanesca. No more whores for you!
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
I still buy them, Salt and Shake.
They're not Smiths, though, they're Walkers.
My Mrs tries to stop me buying them, she reckons she finds the little blue packets all over the house.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
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You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
I still buy them, Salt and Shake.
They're not Smiths, though, they're Walkers.
My Mrs tries to stop me buying them, she reckons she finds the little blue packets all over the house.
they were Smiths though til Linekers lot bought them . W*****R
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Beef Monster Munch were lovely when they first launched back in the day, then they changed the flavour and they were shit.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
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I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
These are the ones I remember as a nipper a bag of them and a glass bottle of coke with a shit paper straw and stuck outside a pub hours.
(https://museumofcrisps.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/saltnshake-3.jpg?w=387)
Yep superb. Loved those. Truth be told I’m still a bastard for plain crisps. There is a brand here called Miss Vickie’s. A kettle crisp with a delightful crunch in every bite. Throw in a cheese or spicy dip and it’s a winner.
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Last year Aldi had some pigs in blanket flavour crisps that were the shape of Wotsits. They were nice.
I reckon they might have been the sausage roll ones. If so, I bought a pack in Coventry Aldi a week ago.
Like a Wotsit but the size of your thumb, and really good.
You could be right, either way they were very nice.
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Ah, you're a bigot then.
Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Wow, that's me told. I did not know how much you followed what I said so much. If you know the answer to my question then add mind reading to your sanctimonious skill set.
Yes, I will. Are we talking about my skills in sanctimony, or my general sklilset, all of which you consider to be sanctimonious - things like balance, punctuality, skimming stones and dancing with women?
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
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The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
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The day I start to choose salted over other options is the day I'll admit I'm middle-aged.
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Beef Monster Munch were lovely when they first launched back in the day, then they changed the flavour and they were shit.
The worst 'changing how we make them' in the snack world in recent years is the total fucking ruination of Twiglets by changing their production method, and CROWING ABOUT IT on the packaging, to such an extent they've rendered them inedible.
And before anyone says otherwise, Twiglets were amongst the kings of the festive snack sector.
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Beef Monster Munch were lovely when they first launched back in the day, then they changed the flavour and they were shit.
Walkers Beef and Onion went the same way sadly.
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Monster Munch used to have a description of "monsters-in-the world". As a 5 yo I used to run past road side trees, or even used to cross roads to avoid the grabber that used to live in them.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
try Prawn Cocktail Discos , you don't even have to chew they just dissolve . like going down on a relatively cheap hooker
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The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Over here, they want to toss cranberry sauce or stuffing into everything to cheaply engage in the “Christmas Spirit”. What you have instead is just a shit turkey sandwich.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
There's a section in Homage to Catalonia where Orwell is in hospital and discovers a pack of pickled onion Monster Munch his mother hid away in his case before he left.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
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'Beef Monster Munch'??? Some of you need to see a doctor. Or a priest.
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Well now I don't know what to believe anymore. Fuck you Gary Lineker.
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The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
try Prawn Cocktail Discos , you don't even have to chew they just dissolve
Their inclusion in the multipack offering is sufficiently positive to outweigh the presence of cheese and onion packets (albeit in the correct green packaging).
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
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You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
Ha! You're fucking scared of pickled onion. Admit it, you coward. You'd still kiss me. I know you would.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Fuck yes. Loved these.
We used to buy these at the pub, with scampi fries and whatever crisps they have and open all the bags to make a "family plater" to share. Very egalitarian.
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Walkers Beef and Onion went the same way sadly.
I absolutely loved those, then they changed the flavour and they were horrible.
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The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
Philpotts in town used to (I think they've all closed now? At least the Gt Charles St one has) do a pastrami, stilton and chilli sandwich which is the greatest I've ever had.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
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The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
There's a section in Homage to Catalonia where Orwell is in hospital and discovers a pack of pickled onion Monster Munch his mother hid away in his case before he left.
And what was Orwell's name? Eric BLIAR WAR CRIMINAL!
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You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
Ha! You're fucking scared of pickled onion. Admit it, you coward. You'd still kiss me. I know you would.
well of course, there's always exceptions!
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Yes, yes and yes.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Scampi Fries are ace, their version of bacon though is no Frazzle.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
You still get the sort of cracker type ones in Home Bargains.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
I will die with you, sister. x
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
the Ambassador says , excellente
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What about Doritos and dips?
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Scampi Fries are great. Poundland used to do multipacks for a quid, 3 packs of Scampi flavour and 3 bacon. The bacon were lovely as well and then they must have changed something as they tasted completely different all of a sudden and were disgusting.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
I will die with you, sister. x
You, me, Captain Tom and scampi fries. GSTK.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
Well that’s true, but then Monster Munch and Space Invaders are not really crisps in the true sense.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
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What about Doritos and dips?
Doritos are the least good tortilla chips. I personally enjoy Asda's round ones. Just lightly salted but perfect for dips.
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What about Doritos and dips?
Arty, farty foreign muck.
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B&M (i know , i know) were selling a x6 multi-pack of Scampi Fries/Bacon rashers for Ł1.25 .
Eat that Lineker you ******
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
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Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
I reckon that the current top three from my extensive research is
(3) Burts
(2) Aldi posh ones
(1) Co-op posh ones
Very interested to hear of anything that I've not come across yet.
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The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
Philpotts in town used to (I think they've all closed now? At least the Gt Charles St one has) do a pastrami, stilton and chilli sandwich which is the greatest I've ever had.
Yes, we used to always order in from there when there was an event in the office and that was one of the options we insisted on, not quite as good as ^ though.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Amazing these, and only a slight stripping of the top layer of the tongue, no where near the Discos annihilation of the taste buds
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Home Bargains and B&M are a couple of the best places to have a variety of crisps that aren't just sodding Walkers and McCoys.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
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Home Bargains and B&M are a couple of the best places to have a variety of crisps that aren't just sodding Walkers and McCoys.
the polar opposite store to a Farm Shop
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Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
Maybe controversial but.... salt & vinegar Pringles are good for burning off some taste buds.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
We had both. A pack of chocolate animals, a pack of fish n chips and a bottle of lemonade were our weekly treat from Minworth Carrefour. But we were posh
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
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Phillpotts is a sandwhich shop for those who think they have made it in life (you haven't) . Horrific place
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What about Doritos and dips?
Arty, farty foreign muck.
Agreed. We didn't have Brexit to flood our shops with bloody Doritos. Their blue packet isn't even a flavour; Cool Original. What the fuck is that?
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
Mneh. I don't dislike them but they aren't on my top twenty favourite chocolate brands. I will eat one if offered, but that's about it...
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
We had both. A pack of chocolate animals, a pack of fish n chips and a bottle of lemonade were our weekly treat from Minworth Carrefour. But we were posh
Slightly different, but when my ok’ man took me to a pub, I’d get a pint of lemonade and dip my salt and vinegar crisps in it. One of my daughters do that now as well!
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Hell on Earth.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
Mneh. I don't dislike them but they aren't on my top twenty favourite chocolate brands. I will eat one if offered, but that's about it...
Some Corbynista you are.
I'd have thought a 30 years past use-by date Club biscuit would be more on-message.
*wink*
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
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Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
I reckon that the current top three from my extensive research is
(3) Burts
(2) Aldi posh ones
(1) Co-op posh ones
Very interested to hear of anything that I've not come across yet.
I used to agree and if i'm after something like that co-op is my go to, but I struggle with the really strong ones now after I broke my jaw a few years back, there's 3-4 things I used to really like that trigger pain and sadly those crisps are top of the list.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
The worst thing Ireland sent this way since U2.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
You've got the Fish N Chips brand of snack, which isn't fish and chips flavoured (although they might have done that in the day).
Small, Mini Cheddar style biscuits. Usually salt and vinegar flavoured. Although I had pickled onion ones in the house recently.
All fine, but League One level at best.
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Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Yes, I know.
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The posh crisps feel like they're turbo charging my tooth decay, like trying to drill through masonry with a metal bit.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
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although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
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Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Excellent for clearing your sinuses. Better than Sudafed.
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Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Actually it was Brannigans.
(https://i.ibb.co/PZLXqC3/IMG-0082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PZLXqC3)
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although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
They never really did it for me. I'd eat them but they're not real top division things.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
I'm the only person I know that likes pickled eggs (until now), but they're magic with a bag of chips after several pints.
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Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Actually it was Brannigans.
(https://i.ibb.co/PZLXqC3/IMG-0082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PZLXqC3)
They'd certainly test your Self Control.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
I'm the only person I know that likes pickled eggs (until now), but they're magic with a bag of chips after several pints.
Yes absolutely they are.
My Mrs finds it incredible that I like them. One of those little differences that show I was brought up in Hall Green and she Solihull.
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Pickled eggs are lovely.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
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I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
You've got the Fish N Chips brand of snack, which isn't fish and chips flavoured (although they might have done that in the day).
Small, Mini Cheddar style biscuits. Usually salt and vinegar flavoured. Although I had pickled onion ones in the house recently.
All fine, but League One level at best.
Thats the one. Non-league for me.
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I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
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although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
They never really did it for me. I'd eat them but they're not real top division things.
Whenever I go to Italy and get snacks I spot some form of amaretti and never look further.
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I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
As (I think) PWS said earlier, B&M is a gold mine for weird or rare foodstuffs.
You can probably still find cigarette sweets in there if you look hard enough.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
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Pickled eggs are lovely.
I used to see Pickled Eggs and Pickled onions in chippies and thought the jars must be at least 10 years old the amount I see being sold. When I used to live on the border of West Brom/ Oldbury, one chippy near me used to do the biggest pickled onions I have ever seen before or since. Each was almost the size of a full white onion. I didn't try any but they must have been value for money compared to the normal size ones in every other chippy.
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I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
There used to be a brand that did really proper flavours like ham and mustard. They leaned into their old-fashiondness. If anyone knows, you will. Excellent crisps.
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Brannigans!
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They don't colour the end red anymore and they're called candy sticks, my boy used to like to get them as they had superhero cards in when he was little.
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I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
As (I think) PWS said earlier, B&M is a gold mine for weird or rare foodstuffs.
You can probably still find cigarette sweets in there if you look hard enough.
I've noticed the pick and mix options in most places now are very poor with crappy selections and no chocolate limes.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
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Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
Foreign crisps, man. Foreign crisps...
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anyway Walkers Wotsits Crunchy Flaming Hot are new daddy of the crisp world . These are game changers
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
Still HQ in Ireland, but they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Associated British Foods.
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They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
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I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
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I was going to have an early night tonight as well, but no, I'll spend the evening pissing myself laughing at snack based posts on a thread ostensibly about MOTD instead.
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Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
Still HQ in Ireland, but they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Associated British Foods.
Oh, it's still the Weston family, I see. Mad to think Penneys are owned by the same people as Fortnum & Mason!
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They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
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I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
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They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
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I was going to have an early night tonight as well, but no, I'll spend the evening pissing myself laughing at snack based posts on a thread ostensibly about MOTD instead.
Haha, see Lineker is a decent man after all for providing this nights entertainment.
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I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
The day there's enough pickle in a pork & pickle pie will be the day I retire from this planet.
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I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
Before bastard Covid, our Sainsburys had a deli counter and they made the best pork pie with pickle. I used to drop my lad at boxing and go straight there for a glorious snack.
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Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
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They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
They do but they were privatised, in 2004 apparently. Shame, as that really was peak Italian policy (sell the cigarettes and use the funds to treat the people who bought the cigarettes in the first place).
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I'm just pleased to have found someone else who understands the glory of pickled eggs.
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They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
They do but they were privatised, in 2004 apparently. Shame, as that really was peak Italian policy (sell the cigarettes and use the funds to treat the people who bought the cigarettes in the first place).
That's not mental, and is the reason why the UK should legalise all drugs.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
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Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
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Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
Isn't it a bit right-wing to advocate for pig-snacks?
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Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
Baldness is like bankruptcy, it happens slowly, then all-at-once.
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I used to get really wound up about losing my hair. Then I made the decision to get a set of clippers and grade one clip the fuckers off.
Absolute instant 'who-gives-a-fuck' treatment.
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My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
I read that as 'hair loss and very much his gain' which I thought was an interesting way of looking at it and a great piece of body positivity to soothe any insecurities.
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A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
Nothing is too good for the working class, or so they tell me.
Except season tickets :-)
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I used to get really wound up about losing my hair. Then I made the decision to get a set of clippers and grade one clip the fuckers off.
Absolute instant 'who-gives-a-fuck' treatment.
Yep, once a week, otherwise strangely I seem to look more bald the more my hair grows.
I’ve also discovered I like hats.
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It’s a good job this isn’t the transfer thread, there would be some very excited posters looking at the page count in the morning.
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It’s a good job this isn’t the transfer thread, there would be some very excited posters looking at the page count in the morning.
It took right off, didn't it?
I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
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I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
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Yep H&V. Where a Match of the Day thread morphs from made up political controversy of its host to a full on discussion about crisps and sandwiches. Don’t ever change H&V.
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I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
You're only bang on, BV.
And that isn't indiscriminate pro-Irish stuff. The Irish have long-enjoyed an unfair claim over the sensation of drunkenness and whimsy.
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
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I lived in Dublin for a couple of years, went to UCD. Loved the place, the people, everything. Had my fair share of Tayto’s. Don’t get me wrong, they are solid. But having lived in a few spots in my life, Miss Vickie’s I referenced earlier, Lay’s Ruffles, Tayto’s and then Walkers in that order.
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I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
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Wasn't overly shocked to see Shearer and Wright supporting Watkins in his celebration. Strikers union.
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Yep H&V. Where a Match of the Day thread morphs from made up political controversy of its host to a full on discussion about crisps and sandwiches. Don’t ever change H&V.
I'll second that.
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Wasn't overly shocked to see Shearer and Wright supporting Watkins in his celebration. Strikers union.
IIRC Shearer was mad on Smokey Bacon crisps as a player.
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Wasn't overly shocked to see Shearer and Wright supporting Watkins in his celebration. Strikers union.
IIRC Shearer was mad on Smokey Bacon crisps as a player.
Chicken and beans man!
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Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
Baldness is like bankruptcy, it happens slowly, then all-at-once.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
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I’m surprised the grab bag of beef flavoured hula hoops as part of the Coop meal deal hadn’t been mentioned yet.
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I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
You're only bang on, BV.
And that isn't indiscriminate pro-Irish stuff. The Irish have long-enjoyed an unfair claim over the sensation of drunkenness and whimsy.
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
Available in The Witton Arms and The Diggers on Moor Lane.
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Narrows eyes. Clenches fists…
Northern Tayto or Southern Tayto?
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But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
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But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
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Just woke up (I'm self-employed). I feel like I went to bed with Salt and Vinegar Discos, and now I'm making a cup of tea and calling an awkward taxi for Wheat Crunchies.
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Narrows eyes. Clenches fists…
Northern Tayto or Southern Tayto?
As far as the bog standard crisps go, I must say I do prefer the Nordy Tayto. But Hunky Dorys are superior to all others.
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I honestly can’t keep up. But has there been a shout for Japanese pea (green pod shaped) crisps? Sadly too often with Bonito (fish) powder, but not always, these should not be left out of debate.
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
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Who invited their dad?!
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Just woke up (I'm self-employed). I feel like I went to bed with Salt and Vinegar Discos, and now I'm making a cup of tea and calling an awkward taxi for Wheat Crunchies.
I’m sure VillaTim spent the night dreaming about Salt and Lineker crisps.
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If you ate a Disco and a Square simultaneously, you'd cry all the water out of your body and die.
Bravo.
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Maybe Ian Wigiht should have announced his departure in late May 2024 after we'd had out best season in 40 years
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I honestly can’t keep up. But has there been a shout for Japanese pea (green pod shaped) crisps? Sadly too often with Bonito (fish) powder, but not always, these should not be left out of debate.
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
Hello mate! I hope all is good with you, but edamame crisps??? Oh dear. 😂
But PM me your address and I'll send you some key absolute edamame crisp type delights.
Consome is all the rage here when it comes to crisps, as is nori (dried seaweed). Both utter savagery.
Japanese food is my favourite in the whole wide world, but crisps? Nope.
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But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
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But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
Tell me you're not Irish without telling me you're not Irish.
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But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
Tell me you're not Irish without telling me you're not Irish.
I mean, if it was just the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater.
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If you can afford to emigrate, you can afford to eat at a modest restaurant.
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Went to a 40th birthday party in a hotel in Dublin a couple of years ago, towards the end of the night boxes were handed out. Inside the boxes were 2 slices of bread, butter, a knife and a packet of Tayto crisps. Genius
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Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
They were my fave for years.
I remember as a kid in the darkened cinema setting eating a packet of those with the blue bag pof salt and chewing on the fucker for about 5 mins until it cut my gum - shit crisps
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They were Brannigans, not Flanagans.
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I honestly can’t keep up. But has there been a shout for Japanese pea (green pod shaped) crisps? Sadly too often with Bonito (fish) powder, but not always, these should not be left out of debate.
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
Hello mate! I hope all is good with you, but edamame crisps??? Oh dear. 😂
But PM me your address and I'll send you some key absolute edamame crisp type delights.
Consome is all the rage here when it comes to crisps, as is nori (dried seaweed). Both utter savagery.
Japanese food is my favourite in the whole wide world, but crisps? Nope.
In Korea they have some dried fish type crisps. Can't remember what they are called.
You can have them in any flavour - as long as it salt
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Anyone shouting out for Pickled Onion Monster Munch yet?
Roofs of Mouths and Alveolar ridges know all about them.
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Anyone shouting out for Pickled Onion Monster Munch yet?
Roofs of Mouths and Alveolar ridges know all about them.
Yes but some absolute wrong 'uns have stated the Beef ones are better. There is really no depth the British public won't sink to.
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While hipster crisps should really get in the bin, have to agree with Dave's late-night shout-out for Co-op's Balsamic Air and Himalayan Scrotal Dust offering, in a blue-ish packet too. A wince factor at Defcon 4 and salt content that's positively desiccating. I ate a whole packet in one sitting once and couldn't stand for a month.
(https://www.trolley.co.uk/img/product/VAL822)
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While hipster crisps should really get in the bin, have to agree with Dave's late-night shout-out for Co-op's Balsamic Air and Himalayan Scrotal Dust offering, in a blue-ish packet too. A wince factor at Defcon 4 and salt content that's positively desiccating. I ate a whole packet in one sitting once and couldn't stand for a month.
(https://www.trolley.co.uk/img/product/VAL822)
This once-great forum...
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Jesus fucking Christ. "Chardonnay vinegar?"
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
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I apologise unreservedly. That much salt changed me in more ways than just physical.
Mods, I have banned myself.
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Jesus fucking Christ. "Chardonnay vinegar?"
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
The Blues were right all along. Tally ho Villa!
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Anyone who enjoys an overpowering salt and vinegar and hasn't tried them before should really try and track a bag down. They're like little sticks of dynamite.
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
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I'll take no criticism from someone who thinks beef is better than pickled onion. If you don't like the finer things in life, get back to your allotment and packet of Corbyn's Commie Salt and Salt flavoured sawdust.
I of course repeat my unreserved apology for anyone who may have misconstr....
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Anyone who enjoys an overpowering salt and vinegar and hasn't tried them before should really try and track a bag down. They're like little sticks of dynamite.
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
Yep, they're the low-key king of crisps. When we lived on the IOM the Co-op was our only decent supermarket, and they were my snack of choice for watching the Villa on TV. There's never been a saltier or more vinegary crisp.
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My aversion to pickled onion is that it's antisocial. Like cheese and onion or the green pringles. If I'm not going anywhere else that evening, I'll be able to enjoy the more pungent flavours of crisp safe in the knowledge that the breath won't hang.
But the beef Monster Munch, its special. When the Rapture comes, God will sort out the yellow pack eaters from the purple. Not all of us are going to be saved.
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Anyone who enjoys an overpowering salt and vinegar and hasn't tried them before should really try and track a bag down. They're like little sticks of dynamite.
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
Yep, they're the low-key king of crisps. When we lived on the IOM the Co-op was our only decent supermarket, and they were my snack of choice for watching the Villa on TV. There's never been a saltier or more vinegary crisp.
They are the only crisps that come close to the acerbic mouth altering experience of S and V Discos.
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
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Mini Cheddars?! Brothers, sisters, look at what we've become.
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Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
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Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
For those occasions when only the mild aroma of cheese mixed with flour will do the trick.
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When the Rapture comes, God will sort out the yellow pack eaters from the purple. Not all of us are going to be saved.
Hell has the best music.
And crisps.
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Jesus fucking Christ. "Chardonnay vinegar?"
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
The Blues were right all along. Tally ho Villa!
Surely these should be considered
https://www.fortnumandmason.com/patatas-fritas-crisp-tin-500g
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Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
Yes we'll be talking Jacob's clubs next and then Snickers and then Matchmakers.
Still to crisps, not things sold in the same supermarket aisles
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Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
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While hipster crisps should really get in the bin...
You should have quit whilst you were ahead.
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Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
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Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
Rochdale.
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Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
Rochdale.
That's it. The Rochdale Pioneers it was called. That's why I couldn't remember it, wrong place.
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Wrong side of the Pennines entirely, Yorkshire lot are far too tight for anything philanthropic!
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While hipster crisps should really get in the bin...
You should have quit whilst you were ahead.
Too many people on here are reading the label while not tasting the contents. A bit like when we're asked to vote. Give it a go. When you've stopped the half hour involuntary shudder, you'll never look at a Tayto (or whatever) again.
Once more, I apologise to anyone not capable of looking beyo...
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This has been my favourite thread of the year. Genuine lols from countless posts. Congratulations to one and all. Let's never, ever change.
UTBM
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Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
If you were around last night you’d have seen all sorts of snacks. Fish ‘n’ Chips, Pork Pies with Pickle, Cornwalls tradition of Pickled Eggs in Salt & Vinegar Crisps (which I’m now going to have to try), the almighty and not seen for years Branston Pickle Mini Cheddars, Ferrero Rocher. Also the champion of all crisps, pickled onion Monster Munch or Space Invaders are really not real crisps.
Edit: how could I forget but Ads has a theory regarding pickled onion crisps and early hair loss. :)
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
He'd have had Matty 'Warcrimes' Cash out the door on the back of his penchant for Cheese & Onion Squares.
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I don't know if they're still a thing but I remember when a brand of crisps called Golden Wonder were introduced. They were the mankiest, dirty things anyone ever put into a packet. They were made from what must have been spuds that had been left to rot underground and when they eventually made it to the factory they must have bypassed the person/machine that cut out the eyes and chopped off the rotten bits and went straight into the fryer. Horrible things.
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I don't know if they're still a thing but I remember when a brand of crisps called Golden Wonder were introduced. They were the mankiest, dirty things anyone ever put into a packet. They were made from what must have been spuds that had been left to rot underground and when they eventually made it to the factory they must have bypassed the person/machine that cut out the eyes and chopped off the rotten bits and went straight into the fryer. Horrible things.
You can still get them.
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Surely not! Ugh!
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Yep, someone already mentioned their chip shop curry flavour. I forgot they also did Transform-a-snack (https://www.goldenwonder.com/range-category/transform-a-snack/) as well.
BTW, they are now owned by Tayto.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
He'd have had Matty 'Warcrimes' Cash out the door on the back of his penchant for Cheese & Onion Squares.
Chicken Goebbels, his favourites. Bad person, he's a bad person.
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On the B&M having fun snacks topic from upthread, I popped in earlier for my Christmas beef dripping, and they had a knock off version of Scampi Fries which I'd not seen before.
Not as good as the proper ones, but perfectly solid for 6-for-a-pound.
And made better by not being padded out by the pointless Frazzles-alikes that come with the Smiths ones.
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Yep, someone already mentioned their chip shop curry flavour. I forgot they also did Transform-a-snack (https://www.goldenwonder.com/range-category/transform-a-snack/) as well.
BTW, they are now owned by Tayto.
I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
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I have never seen this Tayto, I’ve googled it and it doesn’t look familiar at all. We’re rather slow in Devon and things do take a bit of time to get here.
When I first moved here my Saturday nights were ruined. We used to always get Fish and Chips from my nans chippy and a can of Vimto in Wolverhampton. We got down here and Vimto wasn’t a thing. Walkers also took many years to arrive here and wipe out Golden Wonder.
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Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
For those occasions when only the mild aroma of cheese mixed with flour will do the trick.
Have you tried the Red Leicester flavour Mini Chedders? They are incredibly moreish
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
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The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
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The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
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I can't think of a more depressing thing on this Earth than the Irish section of West Browmwich Tesco.
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I can't think of a more depressing thing on this Earth than the Irish section of West Browmwich Tesco.
How much of that is because you'd be likely to find me there?
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I can't think of a more depressing thing on this Earth than the Irish section of West Browmwich Tesco.
How much of that is because you'd be likely to find me there?
That doesn't help, but I'd have taken the suicide option long before you show up at 3am.
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Favourite every thread on my favourite subject.
I went to the shop looking for some crisps after a very heavy day drinking a couple of years ago and drunkenly spent Ł32 on loads of single packets of crisps. Mostly maize-based. Took the bag to bed with me and in the morning my wife asked me if I was mentally ill.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
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The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
Surely you can get fig rolls anywhere? No need for the Irish food ghetto.
Fig rolls dominated the biscuit world of the 1970s. I was raised on them
*toothless smile*
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
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The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
Surely you can get fig rolls anywhere? No need for the Irish food ghetto.
Fig rolls dominated the biscuit world of the 1970s. I was raised on them
*toothless smile*
I just know I didn't see them for years, then suddenly they appeared in the Irish section at the aforementioned Tesco. A lot of people I know claimed that relative scarcity was down to them being disgusting, but I loved them.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It's one of those that's easier to make than find. We knew it as Kunzel cake, after one of those now-defunct northern manufacturers who did it.
Easily found in bakers, usually as Fridge Cake (usually sans raisins though)
Often confused with the far inferior Rocky Road.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
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My mother used to work the twilight shift at Kunzle in Garretts Green/Lea Hall when they first opened up there.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
Often confused with the far inferior Rocky Road.
Spot on, Rocky Road isn't a patch on Tiffin.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
Fair enough, Dave. I've just found it part of a standard selection over, whereas here it's a bit more niche.
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Tiffins are very nice but didn't recall seeing them much nowadays probably because (having checked) they no longer come in the reddish-orange wrapper. Cadbury's 'Rum and Butter' was a favourite of my gran's back in the day and always very welcome when it was shared out.
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I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
I believe what you're trying to say, is that your missus has very good taste.
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
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There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
You can even get Tiffin in Teignmouth.
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
Must be, have never eaten or heard of them.
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
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I love crisps and would have enthusiastically joined a thread about them, were it not heinously disguised in a thread about Match of The Day.
Has anyone mentioned NikNaks? Council price but Ambassador quality.
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
The Dandilion and Birdmuck of the snack world, not a fan.
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
The Scampi ones are like a booby prize , revolting
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
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U OK hun? x
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NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
The Dandilion and Birdmuck of the snack world, not a fan.
Dandelion and Burdock is magnificent.
We built an empire on that drink*
* and extreme violence.
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I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
I believe what you're trying to say, is that your missus has very good taste.
Of course she does, look who she married. ;)
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Late to this but even though McCoys were mentioned the Mexican Chilli flavour were not, top notch.
My current go to flavour are the walkers max strength jalapeńo and cheese, very nice.
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It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
Lol - definitely the best off topic work for a long time…surely why we are all here
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Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
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Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
You'd have been fine. Your name's not Paddy (the last/only time I've been there as an adult, I had to have a 'pub' name!)
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You'd have been fine. Your name's not Paddy (the last/only time I've been there as an adult, I had to have a 'pub' name!)
I was with a colleague with a Manx Gaelic/Irish Catholic background, and he wasn't quiet about it. I couldn't work out if my Welsh roots would be a problem, so just stayed in the hotel and drank on expenses. The lads collecting the pallets looked very much like they'd put you on the bonfire and worry about the niceties later.
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Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
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Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
It was as it happens.
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Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
It was as it happens.
I can't tell if this is a joke or you genuinely don't know what they were doing.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
Episode 5 of the first series of Derry Girls will give you a flavour of what it's like.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
Yes, my apologies. It's not like I'm any sort of Catholic!
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Oh.
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Oh.
The crisps thread has taken a dark turn.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
They light bonfires on July 11th to celebrate my wedding anniversary.
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Who pays though Dave?
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We have an office in Belfast and were working over a weekend updating the PCs but had finished them by Saturday. I was flying back Sunday and two others were stopping to Monday to be onsite if anything went wrong we hadn't spotted. We went to a pub on the Victoria Street near the bus station. I left them there and caught the bus and as it travelled along the road I could see the gathering for an Orange March. I text one of the colleagues to be careful coming out and turning the wrong way because of it. He replied "What's an orange march?" And he comes from an Irish lineage as well.
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Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
The two worst towns on the island.
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For once I agree with bronte's ratings.
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Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
Yes, my apologies. It's not like I'm any sort of Catholic!
You do touch kids, though, right? Please tell me I'm not the only one!
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We have an office in Belfast and were working over a weekend updating the PCs but had finished them by Saturday. I was flying back Sunday and two others were stopping to Monday to be onsite if anything went wrong we hadn't spotted. We went to a pub on the Victoria Street near the bus station. I left them there and caught the bus and as it travelled along the road I could see the gathering for an Orange March. I text one of the colleagues to be careful coming out and turning the wrong way because of it. He replied "What's an orange march?" And he comes from an Irish lineage as well.
The twelfth is a nasty business, alright.
As Derry Girls has already been raised, the bit where they're stuck in the car and suggest sending James out to reason with them because "you're English; they might respect that" has always made me laugh.
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Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeńo Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
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I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
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I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Won't somebody please think of the crisps!
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I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Won't somebody please think of the crisps!
I thought feck it yesterday and bought some Disco’s despite my better judgement, being a mainly lapsed catholic from Irish stock, I still like to partake in self flagellation from time to time.
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I went on an organised trip to Belfast to the Titanic Exhibition shortly after it opened, about ten years or so ago. As part of the trip, we did a bus tour of the city, (we had our own bus) a guide was employed and it really was an insightful tour, no doubt embellished somewhat for effect, although I did wonder why would you would want to embellish the tragedy that was going on up there at the time?
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
Anyone planning a trip to Belfast I would recommend doing the guided bus tour. And there ends today's useless information fact.
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The Holiday Inn is opposite the BBC building and it had sliding wooden doors across the windows (on the front at least)instead of curtains which I assumed was a left over from "the Troubles" and used to stop glass blowing into the rooms in case the BBC were targetted.
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I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Portadown wasn't do back from my brief visit, but Mallusk certainly fitted your description.
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On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
It's true about the Europa. I've stayed in it before and they have pictures on the walls as you go up the main stairs of some of the times it was bombed. It's kind of an exhibition, I guess. An odd history to display, for sure, but it is a major part of Belfast's identity.
The Europa is also right beside Great Victoria train and bus station, so I'd imagine targeting it would have led to disruption of transport too and just a lot of general chaos.
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Belfast is a great City to visit some excellent pubs and cuisine friendly locals. Titanic is great. There are some great old pubs in and around town including near the Europa.
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On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
From what I remember the Europa was bombed more times than the hotel in Lebanon, the one that was always in the news with pockmarked walls.
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I went on an organised trip to Belfast to the Titanic Exhibition shortly after it opened, about ten years or so ago. As part of the trip, we did a bus tour of the city, (we had our own bus) a guide was employed and it really was an insightful tour, no doubt embellished somewhat for effect, although I did wonder why would you would want to embellish the tragedy that was going on up there at the time?
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
Anyone planning a trip to Belfast I would recommend doing the guided bus tour. And there ends today's useless information fact.
Did one of the tour of Belfast, being Catholic bloody only realised that I got the wrong bus,it was doing the tour of the loyalist area, but give credit to the young female guide she give a balance view of the conflict and was very impressed
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First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
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Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
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Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
Stye or Conjunctivitis I thought.
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Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeńo Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
You can still get these, very nice.
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Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
Stye or Conjunctivitis I thought.
Looked like a stye to me. He's probably a bit run down after analysing all our opponents in December.
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He told Matty Cash he was being sold to Chelsea and Cash landed one on him. That's why he didn't play today, the violent little reprobate.
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Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
I heard he started and argument in The Square Peg last night. Didn’t want to pay Ł1.49 for a pint of Ruddles Best. Bouncer sorted him.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
I thought the same, no need for Agent Dion to be rational and unbiased.
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First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
Disgraceful I say. Had no time to see the end of full rerun on Sky before switching over.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
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First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
Disgraceful I say. Had no time to see the end of full rerun on Sky before switching over.
Worse still, you didn't even have time to light up your Romeo y Julieta No. 2.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
Carlos would make a good Gaelic footballer.
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The days of Emporer Minging the Mirthless must be numbered now. Only Steve Bruce can steady the ship.
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He told Matty Cash he was being sold to Chelsea and Cash landed one on him. That's why he didn't play today, the violent little reprobate.
Typical Matt Rash.
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Keowns hair transplant needs re-harvesting in my genuine view.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
Did he get booked for it?
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Keowns hair transplant needs re-harvesting in my genuine view.
Completing maybe?
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Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeńo Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
You can still get these, very nice.
I prefer the honey mustard ones myself.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
At best it was a free kick never a pen clearly outside the area
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If Cyril Ngonge plays today we win that 6-2.
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Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
I heard he started and argument in The Square Peg last night. Didn’t want to pay Ł1.49 for a pint of Ruddles Best. Bouncer sorted him.
Shouldn't be drinking in town then,he knows we are not allowed
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Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeńo Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
Simply THE best snack with a light, hoppy beer....eg Oakham Citra in The Welly.
Where they have both btw!!! :-)
You can still get these, very nice.
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Quote fail!
It's late.
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First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
😂
Complete with awfully drab commentary from Robyn Cowen.
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Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
This.
I feel that it is a soft contact, but we have had pens given against us for less contact & more diving & been told to shut our mouths because Harry Kane is "clever"...
Oxymoron if I ever heard of one, but what happened to & by Duran yesterday was a pen where he had to get the refs attention.
I cant remember who it was earlier in the season who didnt go down & the refs never looked at it, so you do what you have to do in the modern game...
I don't like that about the modern game, but if we want to compete with the big boys, we have to use anything & everything to our advantage like the big boys do...
Doesn't deter from the fa t that under the modern day rules, Aaron Ramsey kicked Duran from behind without contacting the ball, so it is a penalty every day of the week & twice on Tuesday.
The handball incident with Carlos was a hand ball, 100%. It was outside of the box & definitely not a red card incident though, so outside of VAR remit.
Im not sure what Kompany was talking about with Berge's red card either. Both were yellow cards every day of the week. If he didnt have the discipline to not pull back a shirt knowing he was already on a yellow, then the blame lays only with Berge...
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Re Kompany's moan on the going back to book Berge in his words 'two minutes later' or something like that. When I began refereeing back in the early seventies, the coaches stressed that at all times if an advantage could accrue then the game should continue and once the ball had gone dead you should go back and either caution or dismiss any player that warranted it. So, Vincent Kompany is talking through his arse on that one which is a pity as I like him both as a player and as an individual, articulate and normally fair minded.
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Re Kompany's moan on the going back to book Berge in his words 'two minutes later' or something like that. When I began refereeing back in the early seventies, the coaches stressed that at all times if an advantage could accrue then the game should continue and once the ball had gone dead you should go back and either caution or dismiss any player that warranted it. So, Vincent Kompany is talking through his arse on that one which is a pity as I like him both as a player and as an individual, articulate and normally fair minded.
I agree Dave. To blow up every time might be punitive to the attacking side. More common sense is needed.
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The hypocrisy of Lineker in particular on the penalty is sickening. For years he's talked about players winning a penalty. If it's Kane, Rashford or Salah they're clever. There's contact, he goes down & it's a penalty.
If he wants to see a dive, he should look at the one from that Burnley forward yesterday.
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The hypocrisy of Lineker in particular on the penalty is sickening. For years he's talked about players winning a penalty. If it's Kane, Rashford or Salah they're clever. There's contact, he goes down & it's a penalty.
If he wants to see a dive, he should look at the one from that Burnley forward yesterday.
Dublin was the same saying it was a dive
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I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
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I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was good, I’d say his only mistake was not giving the corner which obviously was kicked out by their player, the one which Konsa was arguing about and subsequently booked.
Saying that I can understand if Burnley fans feel totally different.
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Re Kompany's moan on the going back to book Berge in his words 'two minutes later' or something like that. When I began refereeing back in the early seventies, the coaches stressed that at all times if an advantage could accrue then the game should continue and once the ball had gone dead you should go back and either caution or dismiss any player that warranted it. So, Vincent Kompany is talking through his arse on that one which is a pity as I like him both as a player and as an individual, articulate and normally fair minded.
I mentioned in the post-match that if he felt it was a booking, how come he only allowed three seconds of advantage as that was the time between the collision and Moreno losing the ball. Luckily it was the start of the time leading to our 2nd a minute or two later but we also had the Konsa / Odebert scare in between.
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I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was on VAR for our game against Sheff Utd.
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The hypocrisy of Lineker in particular on the penalty is sickening.
He needs replacing.
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I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
Yeah I thought Attwell did pretty well.
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He’s still the Cnut who sent EL Ghazi off against Leeds.
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I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was on VAR for our game against Sheff Utd.
And expected the onfield chap to make decisions just like he did yesterday.
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Is it my imagination or do Burnley seem to have a production line of very good goalkeepers over the last 15 years?
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Is it my imagination or do Burnley seem to have a production line of very good goalkeepers over the last 15 years?
They bought him from Man City last summer.
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MOTD2. Apparently Liverpool, Arsenal and now Spurs are in the title race but Citeh are still favourites. No mention of Villa who are joint top! Utter wankers.
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I was only half paying attention but the guy at the end said "..... I'm a believer." I assumed he was talking about us there, but obviously not.
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I was only half paying attention but the guy at the end said "..... I'm a believer." I assumed he was talking about us there, but obviously not.
You may have flicked over to the Benny Hinn channel by mistake.
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MOTD2. Apparently Liverpool, Arsenal and now Spurs are in the title race but Citeh are still favourites. No mention of Villa who are joint top! Utter wankers.
they are all wankers and we will make them eat their words
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Don't know who was on last night but the coverage I've seen for a while has been fair.
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
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Console ourselves with having beaten 3 of the 4 title challengers. We're fighting Brighton, Newcastle and West Ham for 6th.
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Don't know who was on last night but the coverage I've seen for a while has been fair.
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
It was Nedum Onuoha and Paul Robinson last night with Manish hosting. I think the analysis of the Arsenal and Spurs games was far superior to normal, really considered and intelligent reviewing if the games. Incomparable to the inanity of Micah Richards and the dourness of Danny Murphy.
Saying all that it did grate a bit that considering we’re second, there was no mention of us when they were talking about the title race.
Hey ho, I also expect it to between Man City and Liverpool, but if we are still in the mix come the end of Feb, things will be getting very exciting.
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Don't know who was on last night but the coverage I've seen for a while has been fair.
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
It was Nedum Onuoha and Paul Robinson last night with Manish hosting. I think the analysis of the Arsenal and Spurs games was far superior to normal, really considered and intelligent reviewing if the games. Incomparable to the inanity of Micah Richards and the dourness of Danny Murphy.
Saying all that it did grate a bit that considering we’re second, there was no mention of us when they were talking about the title race.
Hey ho, I also expect it to between Man City and Liverpool, but if we are still in the mix come the end of Feb, things will be getting very exciting.
Always liked Robinson. We always had good banter with him from the Holte when he played.
Onuoha shows a level of insight not usually coming from ex players.
I read an article recently where he looked past the bias, the prejudice, the snobbery, etc, & he stated that Douglas Luiz was one of the three best midfielders in the Prem, alongside Rodri & another whose name I forget without looking for the article.
And I am too lazy to do that right now.
Most pundits, ex players, etc, tend to overlook players that don't play for "media favourite" clubs, but Douglas Luiz has been so good that one of them has seen past all the bullshit to the reality of football.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
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So to recap, the superior MOTD2 team ignore our challenge while the inferior MOTD lot put us on first and wax lyrical. And the Co-op do the best crisps.
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So to recap, the superior MOTD2 team ignore our challenge while the inferior MOTD lot put us on first and wax lyrical.
Didn't see MOTD2 last night. I'm guessing it might be to do with fact that we played on Saturday, and Arsenal and Spurs played yesterday.
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I had something called The Football Show on Sky this morning and they only showed our penalty but showed both Burnley's goals.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
I used to love the lower league round up on the BBC with Manish and his nice shirts. Show the action, a few considered words from Leroy Rosenior and bang, on to the next one.
Perfect.
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I had something called The Football Show on Sky this morning and they only showed our penalty but showed both Burnley's goals.
I saw that Clampy but genuinely think it was a cock-up by the production team rather than a deliberate slight towards us.
Could also be a Burnley fan on work experience though.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
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Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
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Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
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Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
Same as mine.
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Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
Their website says its Ł13,000 annually. I'm guessing he would have gone there 20 years ago though, so no idea whether that was the case then.
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Hulme Grammar is a private school. Not all grammar schools are though.
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I'd say most people would understand a grammar school to be selective entry and state funded. Otherwise it's just an independent school that's chosen to have or retain 'grammar' in it's name.
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
He's easily one of the best pundits on that pod in my opinion.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
He's easily one of the best pundits on that pod in my opinion.
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
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I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
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I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
Probably not too hard to be. Some of their contributors are very much make it up at 5am on the back of a cigarette packet.
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I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him, I just think Micah is there for the TikTok twats.
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I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him,
Yes, Liam Rosenior for one, but he’s doing a decent job in management.
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Anybody is better than the twat that is Micah Richards
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Another shout out for Nedum Onuoha, very insightful pundit. Jobi McAnuff is decent as well
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Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
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Another shout out for Nedum Onuoha, very insightful pundit. Jobi McAnuff is decent as well
Yeah, great shout. I really like McAnuff.
He used to be a must have purchase on Championship Manager, lol...
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There's clearly a tendency to select pundits who have played for successful teams which has a negative impact on the quality of mainstream punditry.
On Richards, I guess people like enthusiasm. Keown and Murphy are often criticised for coming across as morose, but not smiling is fine by me.
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There's clearly a tendency to select pundits who have played for successful teams which has a negative impact on the quality of mainstream punditry.
On Richards, I guess people like enthusiasm. Keown and Murphy are often criticised for coming across as morose, but not smiling is fine by me.
I'm surprised by this.
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Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
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My only observation from this weekends motd was how Paul Robinson appears to be rapidly transforming into Chris Wilder.
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I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him, I just think Micah is there for the TikTok twats.
I've only seen that theory put forward once or twice on here. My theory with Richards is that people in football like having him around (strange as that might seem). Not only do Lineker and Shearer include him on their 'Top Ten' shows, but the social media posts from other Villa players seemed genuinely warm when he left us (considering he'd contributed sod all for 4 years).
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Cannot stand Richards. Awful pundit, never offers anything insightful and when he starts cackling away it makes me instantly want to mute or switch off whatever he’s on.
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Cannot stand Richards. Awful pundit, never offers anything insightful and when he starts cackling away it makes me instantly want to mute or switch off whatever he’s on.
Ditto
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I'd say most people would understand a grammar school to be selective entry and state funded. Otherwise it's just an independent school that's chosen to have or retain 'grammar' in it's name.
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
I'd say most people would understand a grammar school to be selective entry and state funded. Otherwise it's just an independent school that's chosen to have or retain 'grammar' in it's name.
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
I went to a Grammar school, on a scholarship, no spare money for "enhanced" education & I would not have been there otherwise.
My annual results where always analysed to ensure I was up to the required standard for scholarship renewal, and one year it was poor which resulted in summer holiday homework that needed to be handed in first day of returning to school - fortunately it met the standard and I was allowed to continue.
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I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him,
Yes, Liam Rosenior for one, but he’s doing a decent job in management.
Rosenior is pretty much the best pundit I've seen. Knowledgable, insightful and articulate. I'm glad he's doing a job in management, but it's TV's loss.
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Another shout out for Nedum Onuoha, very insightful pundit. Jobi McAnuff is decent as well
Yeah, great shout. I really like McAnuff.
He used to be a must have purchase on Championship Manager, lol...
He is good and he was very good on a few versions of that game!
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Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I had the radio on driving back from the station in Peterborough yesterday, and was unfortunate enough to catch the Jermaine Defoe and Troy Deeney podcast. Now both of them seem like decent enough chaps, but the podcast is dismal. The one I caught a bit of they seemed to be compiling a list of the best players they've played with.
Now Defoe obviously being much the better player has played with the likes of Shearer, Di Canio and Owen etc. The best Deeney could come up with was Michael Ricketts. However, every player being discussed was described as "He's a joke man." Every single one. "Shearer, he's a joke man, Owen, ah man, he's a joke man, some of the things Di Canio could do, he's a joke man." I took this to mean that they were all capable of some ridiculous skill at times.
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This is the thing , they all think they are broadcasters , presenters etc but it is a skill and needs leading with a body and format that is interesting. For some reason they think people will listen to any old shit
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This is the thing , they all think they are broadcasters , presenters etc but it is a skill and needs leading with a body and format that is interesting. For some reason they think people will listen to any old shit
Judging by the numbers various podcasts and vloggers do on whatever format they broadcast on I think people do listen and watch any old shit. Jesus Talksport is still a going concern.
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Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
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Micha Richards is a useless pundit. What a waste of a footballer, stole a living at villa and was a major contributor to us being a laughing stock.
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I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
My two word review of it is....Sweary Poppins.
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I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
My two word review of it is....Sweary Poppins.
Sweary Bobbins, more like.
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Richards is no pundit unless inane cackling floats your boat. Jobi McAnuff uas been outstanding for a few years now but was really impressed with Nedum Onouha - knowledgeable, natural and not afraid to criticise.
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...even if he doesn't think Villa are serious candidates to win the league!
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
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Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I had the radio on driving back from the station in Peterborough yesterday, and was unfortunate enough to catch the Jermaine Defoe and Troy Deeney podcast. Now both of them seem like decent enough chaps, but the podcast is dismal. The one I caught a bit of they seemed to be compiling a list of the best players they've played with.
Now Defoe obviously being much the better player has played with the likes of Shearer, Di Canio and Owen etc. The best Deeney could come up with was Michael Ricketts. However, every player being discussed was described as "He's a joke man." Every single one. "Shearer, he's a joke man, Owen, ah man, he's a joke man, some of the things Di Canio could do, he's a joke man." I took this to mean that they were all capable of some ridiculous skill at times.
That won't last long if that is the sum of the content
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
Deep down I don’t really. If we are still where we are now at the end of Feb, then the heart will start ruling the head.
One thing is for certain, there is no fluke about tiis, just genius management.
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
Deep down I don’t really. If we are still where we are now at the end of Feb, then the heart will start ruling the head.
One thing is for certain, there is no fluke about tiis, just genius management.
Yes, it's no fluke, no budding genius coming good or team just coming together by chance.
That's why this time it's my heart saying no chance, but my head is saying look at the stats since he's come in, the sophistication in our play and the work we must do for it, and concludes we're only going to be better going forwards.
And if that's the case Citeh are in trouble.
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
https://x.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1743263278015434917?s=46&t=tRQc-IrzjqWPKBwYhGZpFw
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Yeah it’s not a fluke at all. I think the problem is - and we’ve seen this recently - fatigue, injuries, and suspensions take their toll. Liverpool and Citeh in particular are better placed to deal with that, both in terms of experience and also squad depth. We’re doing great, but we’d need a lot of fortune to be in the title mix at the end.
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Everyone looks tired in the games I've watched over Christmas, and with December schedule it's no surprise.
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
https://x.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1743263278015434917?s=46&t=tRQc-IrzjqWPKBwYhGZpFw
As someone put it recently (might have been Chris Sutton, might have been on here), we're contenders until we're not. It's unlikely we'll win it but you could say that about every other team that isn't called Man City. I think we'll be in the title race till the end of March, and then April's fixtures will determine how close we go.
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The team that wins the league usually has fewer defeats than anyone else. Currently Liverpool have just 1, ManC have 3 and us and Arsenal have 4.
From that you'd say that Liverpool are clear favourites, but we all know that ManC could finish with no more defeats.
We need to be pretty much unbeaten to win it I think.
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If we win the league and England win the Euros, this year might go some way towards making up for 2016.
What a c**t of a year that was.
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If we win the league and England win the Euros, this year might go some way towards making up for 2016.
What a c**t of a year that was.
Yeah, at least 2020 had the 7-2 versus Liverpool game amongst the country / world being shit.
2016 had nothing to vindicate it.
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Oh fcuking hell Jenas is presenting MOTD.
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Oh fcuking hell Jenas is presenting MOTD.
You haven't heard that Lineker's stepping down at the end of the season to concentrate on politics?
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I haven’t. Can’t they do any better than Jenas though.
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I haven’t. Can’t they do any better than Jenas though.
He is the almost perfect candidate.
If you ignore talent of course, which does not appear to be in abundance when considering the current level of broadcasters and pundits.
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Special Mention for Jenas last night for the most Vanilla performance on TV ever . Til he comes on again.
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I feel that we're nonchalant candidates for the league title
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I see us strolling to the title, perhaps putting on a 'pimp roll' (a Tom Wolfe reference there for you book readers).
I don't care what the rest of the league think, or their fans for that matter.
Fuck those guys, fuck them all.
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Oooh, it's Dion.
I really enjoyed his co-commentary on our match yesterday.
I think what I appreciated most was the persistency of it, just a constant sort of nonsensical background noise which was never going to stop.
Like watching a game whilst someone pilots a drone, hovering just over your shoulder for 90 minutes.
Or what the constant traffic hum would be like if your house overlooked the M6.
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Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I have been down playing our title credentials , much to the annoyance of younger members of my Villa supporting associates,family & friends ( to be honest I've seen us choke under Sir Graham , Big Ron , John Gregory and to a lesser extent MON). I do admit though when Martinez belted out that line , I felt like a
lily-livered mangy old dog !
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I see us strolling to the title, perhaps putting on a 'pimp roll' (a Tom Wolfe reference there for you book readers).
A bonfire of the Sky 6 vanities would be lovely
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When Martinez said that, my internal jukebox heard the striking of the bell you hear to trigger the montage when Adrian tells Rocky to "Win".
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Enjoying Manish Bhasin presenting MOTD 2 tonight, and I think he’s better than Jermaine Jenas. He’s not afraid of discussion or wry humour. Shay and Dion are interesting to listen to, tonight, as well.
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Enjoying Manish Bhasin presenting MOTD 2 tonight, and I think he’s better than Jermaine Jenas. He’s not afraid of discussion or wry humour. Shay and Dion are interesting to listen to, tonight, as well.
Jenas provides a very low bar ...
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.
I get it but I think people are getting too precious about it. If asked who the top 3 will be I'd probably say Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal. I don't really need to caveat it that I think Villa will be 5th. I'm not sure it's that important that a pundit does either.
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.
I get it but I think people are getting too precious about it. If asked who the top 3 will be I'd probably say Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal. I don't really need to caveat it that I think Villa will be 5th. I'm not sure it's that important that a pundit does either.
Im not that precious to be honest. I probably agree with your top three and get why pundits don’t figure we’ll be in the final shake up. What I find odd in terms of what they present to the viewer, is things like the new year MOTD. It was actually a well presented show with Manish, but at the end they talked about Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs being in the title race or words to that effect, but didn’t mention us once, editorially thats just odd when we’re second in the league table they we’re showing at the time.
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Yes, I agree with you there.
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My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
For me, it depends on how they say it.
When they talk about Villa in Sky Sports for example, there is always a snidy tone. Even when they chat with Dan Bardell, they always have a little dig about him supporting Villa & having the audacity to mention it.
But they let Harriet Prior or Melissa Reddy (not a Scouse accent in sight) wax lyrical about anything Liverpool until it overruns the adverts.
From my career, I have had a few people I know have dealings with Sky & whenever they mention that they support Villa, the overriding response is a snidy "Why the fuck do you support Villa?", with an added chuckle. And when the response of "home town club" is spoken, the usual response to that is "yeah, but they are shit" with laughter added in for extra shit-c**tidness...
So if there is a serious question regarding our legitimacy as a title contender, & a well thought out logical response given, with no hint of snidy tone, then I am happy to accept that, if they disagree with us as title contenders.
But if its, "cos they are Villa & Villa are a mid table team", while laughing at the question, like Arsenal fans tend to do (without a hint of irony or self awareness), or the likes of most people on Sky Sports, especially Chelsea supporting pricks like Rob Wotton or Arsenal supporting & shit ex player Jay Bothroyd, etc, etc, then it pisses me off to no end.
Context is key...
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...so we're agreed we should be part of the discussion, then!
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Our last 15 years of shitness and our history when in this position doesn’t exactly give these people confidence. We are overachieving and that’s the narrative they’re going with.
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Our last 15 years of shitness and our history when in this position doesn’t exactly give these people confidence. We are overachieving and that’s the narrative they’re going with.
Yep combined with a manager who “failed” at Arsenal. Even if that simply isn’t true it fits the narrative that he and we will fall back to our natural position of irrelevance soon enough.
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If I were a serious sports journalist, I'd be pretty pissed off to see coverage filled with people who haven't a clue but used to play football. Especially as they're probably getting paid a lot more too.
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Enjoying Manish Bhasin presenting MOTD 2 tonight, and I think he’s better than Jermaine Jenas. He’s not afraid of discussion or wry humour. Shay and Dion are interesting to listen to, tonight, as well.
There are dead people with more personality than Jenas. Stole a living as a player and now one as a presenter
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Manish is very good, doesn't make the show about himself
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Lineker pwn'd Micah with a Villa-related zinger in the MOTD intro tonight. Worth the i-Player check.
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So Villa get Ramsays goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper but Luton's goal against Burnley is allowed despite the forward making no attempt to play the ball and sending the goalkeeper to the floor. On MOTD only the laughing hyena thought it was a foul with Lineker and Murray saying the keeper should be stronger. Where's the consistency
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Lineker pwn'd Micah with a Villa-related zinger in the MOTD intro tonight. Worth the i-Player check.
It certainly was. Micah looked stunned!!
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So Villa get Ramsays goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper but Luton's goal against Burnley is allowed despite the forward making no attempt to play the ball and sending the goalkeeper to the floor. On MOTD only the laughing hyena thought it was a foul with Lineker and Murray saying the keeper should be stronger. Where's the consistency
That’s a very good point. We talk about consistency in refereeing and it’s very apparent also with comments from the pundits. How many times has Kane cleverly won a penalty by running into the keeper, however Duran was cheating for instance?
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So Villa get Ramsays goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper but Luton's goal against Burnley is allowed despite the forward making no attempt to play the ball and sending the goalkeeper to the floor. On MOTD only the laughing hyena thought it was a foul with Lineker and Murray saying the keeper should be stronger. Where's the consistency
The only resemblance to any form of "consistency" is the consistency of their agendas...
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Can you believe they mentioned how hard done by spurs are with injuries again. Oh and Poch saying how well Chelsea did playing against a really good side like Villa was dismissed by Michael Brown (cheating who Cnut) as not ambitious enough.
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Did you notice how, after Arse's big win against Palace, they said that the victory put them level with Man City?
Which other club did it bring them level with?
Ho-hum...
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Yes, I noticed that!
And when one pundit referred to Villa as being, ‘fourth or near fourth’. I don’t believe for a moment he meant third.
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Can you believe they mentioned how hard done by spurs are with injuries again. Oh and Poch saying how well Chelsea did playing against a really good side like Villa was dismissed by Michael Brown (cheating who Cnut) as not ambitious enough.
Tuned in late and couldn't quite make out who that was. Now I know why.
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Reel of highlights of 4-4s with Gareth Barry converting the penalty to equalise at Chelsea,2007.
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Reel of highlights of 4-4s with Gareth Barry converting the penalty to equalise at Chelsea,2007.
Didn't it also show our 4-4 at Spurs where we blew the 4-1 lead?
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Why don’t they talk about liverpools injuries ay?
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Mentioned the tight title race and the top 5 playing today BUT....
Highlighted that Arsenal's last game wearing that luminous kit against a team in claret and blue didn't go too badly, but neglected to say they lost to us wearing it. >:(
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Will be interesting if we’re on before or after spurs
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I bet that’s an ACL for Ramsey.
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Will be interesting if we’re on before or after spurs
After, but before the Jaudis.
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Always nice to kick off the show with a Mighty Reds YNWA w@nkathon featuring Danny Murphy.
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Title is in our hands. Citeh arsenal and Liverpool still to play…:-)
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
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So Liverpool in 1st are on 1st, Arsenal in 2nd are on 2nd, Man City are 3rd and on 3rd, Spurs on 4th, 4th before kick off, Villa 5th before kick off are naturally then on….6th. They don't like us I tell ya!!
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Looks like we're way down the pecking order again, even forest on before us lol.
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Will be interesting if we’re on before or after spurs
I can just picture the MOTD meeting now:
"Fulham v Villa? That's a mid-table game so it can go towards the end"".
"Errr, Villa have just gone 4th in the league again today"
"Ah come on, it's not Spurs or one of the big boys. They can go on after Forest v. West Ham".
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Obviously no mention of the offside or penalty decisions oh no siree.
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
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Thought it was decent punditry to highlight it was a back 4 who had never played together.
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Thought it was decent punditry to highlight it was a back 4 who had never played together.
Yeah, good to see it finally pointed out. I actually had a message read on the guardian football podcast last week because no-one talks about our injury issues (I pointed out it's why our high line might not be working as well) and apart from Max agreeing the other pundits didn't speak about it all 😆. Robyn Cowen just went on about Emery and that was it. I tried!
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
It's his bias to Liverpool that puts me off to be honest. Did a whole Talksport special.on his love for his city of Liverpool, when he's actually from and lives in Chester.
I might accept that he's actually a decent enough pundit when he's not talking about Liverpool. Got all arsey on Talksport the other day though when he was going on about 'Carra' and how much of a 'winner' he was, and someone asked him how someone who never won the league in his career could be classed as that.
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Especially if its preceded by the words Fuck off
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I always wonder how much of their 'punditry' they actually come up with themselves, and how much they're spoonfed by stat nerds in the background. There's no way Murphy knew that back 4 hadn't started a game together.
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I agree, I always get the impression most of them, especially Murphy, have only watched the same edit they show on MOTD. They never watch the whole game and definitely do rely on the stats and nerds in the background.
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
He once said on talkshite that he didn't like playing at Villa Park because he found it dull and boring. So for me he will always be a clueless twat.
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
He once said on talkshite that he didn't like playing at Villa Park because he found it dull and boring. So for me he will always be a clueless twat.
He said it in a very dull and boring monotone way as well, the irony of it all.
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Especially if its preceded by the words Fuck off
Or succeeded by those words works
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I agree, I always get the impression most of them, especially Murphy, have only watched the same edit they show on MOTD. They never watch the whole game and definitely do rely on the stats and nerds in the background.
They'd do well to get six 3pm kick-offs watched in full and analysed by 10:30. "Gary, all I can say, Gary, is 'that's some workrate Gary'."
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Quite right Gary.
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Pundits on MOTD get money for nothing. The chap providing analysis on Sky fir out match is good. Not sure what his name is but I will call him Gary for now.
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Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Quite right Gary.
I prefer that prefix to the other suggested.
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Pundits on MOTD get money for nothing. The chap providing analysis on Sky fir out match is good. Not sure what his name is but I will call him Gary for now.
Some do, some don’t. I think some of the analysis is good, but it’s a mixed bag.
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I agree, I always get the impression most of them, especially Murphy, have only watched the same edit they show on MOTD. They never watch the whole game and definitely do rely on the stats and nerds in the background.
They'd do well to get six 3pm kick-offs watched in full and analysed by 10:30. "Gary, all I can say, Gary, is 'that's some workrate Gary'."
I could be imagining this, but I seem to remember seeing a behind the scenes/making of type thing - in that they all watch the early kickoff in full, then watch the 15:00 kickoffs all at the same time in a big room with loads of screens, each person paying attention to particular games, then watch the late kickoff and/or an important or notable game in its entirety before broadcast.
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How you know we've replaced Spurs in 4th. https://twitter.com/walshcat1/status/1758993064930992442
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
Remember this is the same bloke who couldn’t understand why shots hitting post/bar were not counted as “on target”.
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I'm not sure whether I'm overthinking this, but I noticed that when Jonathan Pearce was introducing coverage of our match last night he pointed out that Villa were "forced" into making a change at centre back with Pau Torres coming in to replace Diego Carlos, almost as if PT was a back-up centre half and not the top class, first-choice centre half that he is. It sounded to my ears that he doesn't know who our players are and is symptomatic of how little the MSM know about our team/club. As I say, perhaps I'm being sensitive and was slightly pissed off at the fact that Forest/WHU was regarded as a more significant game and was on before us.
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Pearce is one of the few that does generally have a handle on us, I'm sure he said he used to come to Villa Park when he as at uni.
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And we were forced into the change. We might have done it anyway, or had Lenglet make way, but we didn't have the option of keeping the same back four.
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Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
Remember this is the same bloke who couldn’t understand why shots hitting post/bar were not counted as “on target”.
I can never understand this view, either, but he's not the only who thinks it. I feel like I'm going a bit mad when people are convinced it is.
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Kamara has a "knee injury".
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I'm not sure whether I'm overthinking this, but I noticed that when Jonathan Pearce was introducing coverage of our match last night he pointed out that Villa were "forced" into making a change at centre back with Pau Torres coming in to replace Diego Carlos, almost as if PT was a back-up centre half and not the top class, first-choice centre half that he is. It sounded to my ears that he doesn't know who our players are and is symptomatic of how little the MSM know about our team/club. As I say, perhaps I'm being sensitive and was slightly pissed off at the fact that Forest/WHU was regarded as a more significant game and was on before us.
I think you are being OS in both cases. Pau has been sitting on the bench for last 3 games so he’s correct in saying what he said.
Forest were a couple of points above relegation zone so a more crucial game for them and therefore correctly scheduled before ours.
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Pearce is one of the few that does generally have a handle on us, I'm sure he said he used to come to Villa Park when he as at uni.
Yeah, don't mind Pearce and think he has a soft spot for us.
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Kamara has a "knee injury".
That’s right isn’t it?
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Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
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Let's see where we are on MOTD2 running order. When we beat Brighton 6-1 they put us on last and clearly didn't really want to show it again at all
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Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It rankles with me, but they are so closely associated with one club, they could potentially be accused of negative bias whichever game they commentate on. Neville commentating on Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal games for example.
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Neville is often quite critical of Man Utd, quite like him as a pundit. Carragher is an absolute disgrace .
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No I absolutely agree. In most other jobs if you start giving your mates the special treatment and pissing off those you don't like you'll get the sack but. ...........
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Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It's often the same with England games.
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Neville is often quite critical of Man United, because they have lost nine league games already this season. There’s not really been much for Carragher to criticise about Liverpool, considering they’re in a cup final and top of the league.
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Let's see where we are on MOTD2 running order. When we beat Brighton 6-1 they put us on last and clearly didn't really want to show it again at all
Well remembered. Did you write it down in a little book just to bring it back up 5 months later?
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Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It rankles with me, but they are so closely associated with one club, they could potentially be accused of negative bias whichever game they commentate on. Neville commentating on Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal games for example.
I find the worst one of all to be Rio Ferdinand. When he comments on Yanited it's always "us" and "we". He never even pretends to be unbiased in the way Neville and Carragher do.
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The only time I have watched us on TV was during lock down when we couldn't go. Alexander Armsrong scored a screamer for Liverpool right at the end. Carragher, who was co- commentator, screamed "Trent, Trent, look at Trent, he's got to be in the England team now".
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The only time I have watched us on TV was during lock down when we couldn't go. Alexander Armsrong scored a screamer for Liverpool right at the end. Carragher, who was co- commentator, screamed "Trent, Trent, look at Trent, he's got to be in the England team now".
...and it was a pointless goal anyway
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The only time I have watched us on TV was during lock down when we couldn't go. Alexander Armsrong scored a screamer for Liverpool right at the end. Carragher, who was co- commentator, screamed "Trent, Trent, look at Trent, he's got to be in the England team now".
...and it was a pointless goal anyway
Very good! ;D ;D
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Just after we sacked Stevie G, Brighton away, Carragher on co commentary, literally cajoling the Brighton supporters around him, appealing for a penalty. It was literally the most biased commentary ever.
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The bias towards the normal top 4 irritating as it is can be justified. We are the upstarts who have very little recent top 4 status. We have potential to break the club which irritates the ManU and Spurs supporting pundit love in. The country were told we’d fall away, it hasn’t transpired and they either reshuffle their notes or ignore us. We now need to reinforce our position so they can’t.
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Just after we sacked Stevie G, Brighton away, Carragher on co commentary, literally cajoling the Brighton supporters around him, appealing for a penalty. It was literally the most biased commentary ever.
If we lose the last 13 league games of the season we'd still be in a better position than we were with Carra's bestie.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
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I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
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On second, obviously didn't have the Arsenal highlights ready. :)
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I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
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I don't get why the highlights have to show things like Holjund / Brailsford in the crowd. Live, yes they look around for stuff during boring sections. But surely highlights mean there are no boring bits.
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I don't get why the highlights have to show things like Holjund / Brailsford in the crowd. Live, yes they look around for stuff during boring sections. But surely highlights mean there are no boring bits.
Agreed, only allowed if it's Mick Harford and Harry Styles sharing Extra Strong Mints.
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Liverpool on first and they didn't even play
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I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
To be fair I’m quite happy to see Manure beaten in injury time at their place.
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Commentator on about conceding from corners but forgets to mention all our defensive injuries. Twat.
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Commentator on about conceding from corners but forgets to mention all our defensive injuries. Twat.
But we have been poor defending from corners for most of the season.
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But having makeshift defense every other week can’t help.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
They were deciding what to put in those vaccines round about the time of the 7-2 against Liverpool.
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Nice to see Leon getting some credit.
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But having makeshift defense every other week can’t help.
In theory it has only been a forced make shift defence since Sheffield Utd as that was the first match Torres was missing. Yes we have lost Mings all season but we had pretty much a settled defence for quite a long time after that injury.
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9 goals conceded from corners , only Sheffield Utd and Burnley have more. Austin !
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I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
To be fair I’m quite happy to see Manure beaten in injury time at their place.
TBH it reminded me of the Wolves match against them the first game of the season with players running from their own half to the edge of the box unchallenged. They fluked that one with VAR deciding a keeper clearing out the attacker is not a penalty and Wolves not able to put it on target. It was no surprise they were shown in the list of shots allowed against them.
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But having makeshift defense every other week can’t help.
In theory it has only been a forced make shift defence since Sheffield Utd as that was the first match Torres was missing. Yes we have lost Mings all season but we had pretty much a settled defence for quite a long time after that injury.
The stat on the US broadcast mentioned with Torres our average goals per game conceded is 1, without him it’s 2. Not sure if that’s correct, but shows how important he is.
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Commentator on about conceding from corners but forgets to mention all our defensive injuries. Twat.
But we have been poor defending from corners for most of the season.
Not just set pieces really. We haven't defended awfully, but have conceded a lot of soft goals this season in general.
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The stat on the US broadcast mentioned with Torres our average goals per game conceded is 1, without him it’s 2. Not sure if that’s correct, but shows how important he is.
Yes, but he was on the pitch when we conceded from the corner. And we have let others in against us whilst he has been on the pitch. The stat is we have conceded from lots of corners which (apart from Mings), I don't think is dependent on certain players being present or not. I would argue we haven't scored enough either considering we have players as good at delivering the ball as Rice at Arsenal. Both might be down to the same reasons of poor tactics or no dominant heading player or other things.
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Not just set pieces really. We haven't defended awfully, but have conceded a lot of soft goals this season in general.
Yes. We are keeping the Mings "ooh shiny" moments alive this season even if he isn't playing currently.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
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9 goals conceded from corners , only Sheffield Utd and Burnley have more. Austin !
Are you saying we need a six million dollar man in defence?
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
Blimey, has Rickie gone rogue too?
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
I would be amazed if he hasn't at some point. I don't really care though, they have a deep affinity with a club, crack on.
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Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
Blimey, has Rickie gone rogue too?
Yeah, radicalised by lockdown. I've seen him on a podcast with a bloke who sees words as numbers, so he'd say something like "you were destined to become a dad because 'dad' is the number 9 (4+1+4) and you were a number 9". That sort of shit. Also, if you want a laugh, Google 'Rickie Lambert water'.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
He's a pundit not a current player. I don't hear Shearer, Murphy, Dion or Richards doing it with such regularity (despite them being fans of their respective clubs) but if you like it, then good for you.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
He's a pundit not a current player. I don't hear Shearer, Murphy, Dion or Richards doing it with such regularity (despite them being fans of their respective clubs) but if you like it, then good for you.
I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
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With Wright I get the feeling that he knows that him displaying his bias annoying, which is why he does it.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
I did warn you about this guy.
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Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
I am more forgiving when it's a highlights programme when a player who is a club legend is bound to slip into that language. I just don't think Sky should allow their club ambassadors to co-commentate live games where their antics are likely to stir up opposition fans. That IS unprofessional even if they think its just "bants"!
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I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
Well he is "fucking off" at the end of the season.
But I doubt anyone moaning about Ian Wright would have been moaning if it was a Villa pundit doing it about us.
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I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
Well he is "fucking off" at the end of the season.
But I doubt anyone moaning about Ian Wright would have been moaning if it was a Villa pundit doing it about us.
No , but other clubs fans would be and rightly so.
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And why would what other clubs fans say bother us?
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And why would what other clubs fans say bother us?
Ever heard of self awareness .
Anyway "Wrighty" is history soon on MOTD thank fuck
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And why would what other clubs fans say bother us?
Ever heard of self awareness .
Anyway "Wrighty" is history soon on MOTD thank fuck
Looks at poster.
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This is the most depressing thread on this site.
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After little things that make you smile. How anti-Brummie is that?
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Why do people get worked up over somethiing so trivial? If Ian Wright bothers you that much, don't watch or mute while he's talking.
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Why do people get worked up over somethiing so trivial? If Ian Wright bothers you that much, don't watch or mute while he's talking.
One might also question if people being bothered about MOTD upsets you so much, why you clicked on, read, and then bothered to contribute to a topic called MOTD? The title gives rather a large hint as to what the conversation might be about.
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Why do people get worked up over somethiing so trivial? If Ian Wright bothers you that much, don't watch or mute while he's talking.
One might also question if people being bothered about MOTD upsets you so much, why you clicked on, read, and then bothered to contribute to a topic called MOTD? The title gives rather a large hint to what the conversation might be about.
Well, yes, but must it always sound like a divorced dad micro-aggression support group?
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Poster posts on a forum. Shock horror.
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It's what makes this place what it is. If we all stopped micro-analysing everything and being misery arses, we'd have a similar post count to TBAR!
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Poster posts on a forum. Shock horror.
Ha ha ha! Unintentionally hilarious! Which is about the only time you've ever been remotely funny, so take that as a win Clamps old bean.
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Poster posts on a forum. Shock horror.
Ha ha ha! Unintentionally hilarious! Which is about the only time you've ever been remotely funny, so take that as a win Clamps old bean.
You're welcome Mr Meldrew.
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This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
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This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
The fact this is true is all the more remarkable when there are threads, amongst other things about Israel/Palestine and about mental health!
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This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
That's just because ye haven't checked out the "Jokes" thread recently.
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Garth Crooks still stealing a living by not knowing much. Two Villa players in the squad.
Douglas Luiz (Aston Villa): The ability of Luiz to get into the opposition's penalty area, and time his runs well enough to get among the goals, is quite a talent. He's scored nine Premier League goals at Villa Park this season.
Scoring goals from midfield is a valuable asset and one of the reasons Villa find themselves back in the top four. What is surprising however is that Villa have already let in nine goals from corners this season, including the one they conceded in the 4-2 win against Nottingham Forest. It will be interesting to see whether Unai Emery's newly produced defensive duo of Clement Lenglet and Pau Torres can fill the void left by injuries to Ezri Konsa and Tyrone Mings.
What is clear is that their manager has focused his attention on Villa's attacking prowess. However, finishing in the top four may finally depend on how well they can defend.
Leon Bailey (Aston Villa): It's difficult to ignore Ollie Watkins when he's scoring goals and I think Moussa Diaby is a really good player, especially when he's on form. However, Leon Bailey is keeping Diaby out of the starting line-up and grabbing the spotlight - and has been for a while.
He traumatised Nottingham Forest in a 45-minute outburst of scintillating football. He put Watkins' goal on a plate, was instrumental in Villa's second goal scored by Douglas Luiz, and scored his team's fourth goal himself. This was a sparkling performance by the Jamaica international who has clearly worked hard on his game to obtain the kind of consistency that has forced Unai Emery to play him. Now that's how you force your way into a successful team .
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
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the only problem I have is he cant string a sentence together . it is like listening to someone on the phone who is going in and out of a number of short tunnels
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the best episode of MOTD in recent years was when they all went on strike in support of FA Cup ears and it was left to pictures and crowd noise . Brilliant
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the best episode of MOTD in recent years was when they all went on strike in support of FA Cup ears and it was left to pictures and crowd noise . Brilliant
I agree. Don't usually watch the program but did that time to support that style of show.
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Disagree, thought it seemed very unimportant.
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I watch MOTD with finger on fast forward - i watch the goals and then skip to the next game highlights* unless it is the Villa. I then listen to what the pundits have to say
Unless it is that useless shitbag Richards - then i have to skip over that as well as his voice and general "Matey Cuntishness" irritates beyond belief.
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Disagree, thought it seemed very unimportant.
they tried to ruin the viewer experience by not playing the famous intro music etc in solidarity with jug ears. It backfired and they created a brilliant template of how it should be .
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
The problem is that he has clearly been engaged by the BBC on account of him being a famous ex Man Utd player, rather than on the basis of his ability to communicate a deep seated knowledge of the game to an audience in an articulate, entertaining and informative manner (biased or not).
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
The problem is that he has clearly been engaged by the BBC on account of him being a famous ex Man Utd player, rather than on the basis of his ability to communicate a deep seated knowledge of the game to an audience in an articulate, entertaining and informative manner (biased or not).
If inarticulate former footballers on TV is what's upsetting you, I'd recommend turning the sound down on every game.
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
It's ok if they have an ex-Forest figure in the studio (and I don't mean Roy Keane) but they probably won't.
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And if there isn't, who dies? Which fire will be started? This is football, not a general election.
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Why is it not OK?
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May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
It's ok if they have an ex-Forest figure in the studio (and I don't mean Roy Keane) but they probably won't.
Teddy Sheringham?
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It's blatant 'big 6' bias, which is why it pisses a lot of people off.
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Teddy Sheringham?
Edward for the night?
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For my own peace of mind, I really, really wish that all the broadcasters would release a joint statement saying something like this: "it's not bias towards the 'big six'. It's naked capitalism. Many more people give a shit about those six clubs. We couldn't give a shit. If your shit club suddenly found loads of new supporters, we'd pander to your petty fucking grievances too (not that you'll be satisfied by that, because that's literally not possible). We don't care about any club. We care about money. Live with it, because it isn't changing until you fucking do."
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
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But you're only saying all that because you love Spurs.
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Oh
When
The
Spurs
I can't go on and I now follow Southampton.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
No, people who think the TV companies support football teams is the worst thing in football. It's like thinking the sun (not, you'll note, The Sun) prefers the Canary Islands.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
I can't stand the basic Arsenal one. Just "Are-su-null" over and over again in a really moody, cockney accent.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
I can't stand the basic Arsenal one. Just "Are-su-null" over and over again in a really moody, cockney accent.
Up there with the Chelsea chant
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For my own peace of mind, I really, really wish that all the broadcasters would release a joint statement saying something like this: "it's not bias towards the 'big six'. It's naked capitalism. Many more people give a shit about those six clubs. We couldn't give a shit. If your shit club suddenly found loads of new supporters, we'd pander to your petty fucking grievances too (not that you'll be satisfied by that, because that's literally not possible). We don't care about any club. We care about money. Live with it, because it isn't changing until you fucking do."
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
This is fantastic.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
It's been superseded by the Arsenal 'anthem'.
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That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
It's been superseded by the Arsenal 'anthem'.
"North London Forever". From a team that used to play in south London.
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I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
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I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
Weirdo!
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I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
Weirdo!
Indeed, helps explain why Coldplay are popular though.
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I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
I like the idea of a welcoming song that all the fans know and is unique to the club. Hi-Ho is sung by away fans at VP with equal gusto as the home fans do, and whilst it reminds me of the early-mid seventies I'm sure we could do something more distinctive.
But then, this is a discussion that's been had on here countless times.
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For my own peace of mind, I really, really wish that all the broadcasters would release a joint statement saying something like this: "it's not bias towards the 'big six'. It's naked capitalism. Many more people give a shit about those six clubs. We couldn't give a shit. If your shit club suddenly found loads of new supporters, we'd pander to your petty fucking grievances too (not that you'll be satisfied by that, because that's literally not possible). We don't care about any club. We care about money. Live with it, because it isn't changing until you fucking do."
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
This is fantastic.
Thanks for your support, you absolute prick*.
*I'm obviously joking, don't think you're a prick and appreciate your kindness!
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Why are Spurs on before us
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So you could moan about it.
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So you could moan about it.
You think it's ok no doubt Spurs are on before us despite our game having more meaning more goals and we are higher up the league. Crack on then
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Why are Spurs on before us
Saving the best until last.
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Why are Spurs on before us
So they can spend more time praising Ollie Watkins.
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Jonathan Pearce. ******.
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Credit where it's due Shearer and Jenas gave a good analysis of Watkins there
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Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
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Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
Yeah, don't get the beef with Pearce, he's normally complimentary about us.
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More of a R5 thing. But Mark Warburton. I didn't hear his commentary, just saw a few in the BBC text, but he seems a strange choice for co-commentator as he has never played at any real level or managed at much past Championship. Even his Rangers gig started during the rising from the grave. He also didn't seem to give much insight. I suppose it is better giving him the money then the braying hyenas they sometime do though.
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Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
Yeah, don't get the beef with Pearce, he's normally complimentary about us.
His high blood pressure commentary style normally suits our games , certainly ones like today
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Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
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To be fair, I don't have any complaints about our coverage on MOTD - although that might be because I only watch it when we win.
From the reaction of every single Geordie I've ever met, Shearer has one huge reason to hate us after the last game of '08/'09, but I find him always very positive about us.
Tonight, they rightly pointed out that we could've been 5-0 up at HT, but weren't. Luton then got back into it, including opportunities to win it, but in the end we did; overall it was deserved, and then went into an analysis of how excellent Ollie is.
All fine by me.
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Agreed I expected them to go on about Luton’s pluckiness but they didn’t.
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Agreed I expected them to go on about Luton’s pluckiness but they didn’t.
Nope, and they could've done.
As per the comments in the match and post-match threads, we should've won that much more comfortably than we did.
But MOTD spoke mainly about us and how good we were when we played our game.
No complaints from me. I think they're treating us as a serious team.
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Thought the MOTD pundits were measured and got their analysis spot on tonight. Unlike the NBC comedy duo of Peter Drury and Lee Dixon who were abysmal and almost as biased as the ref.
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I also only watch when we win.
Shearer in particular is a very good pundit. Very balanced. Even with Newcastle where you’d forgive him for being biased.
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I also only watch when we win.
Shearer in particular is a very good pundit. Very balanced. Even with Newcastle where you’d forgive him for being biased.
Agreed.
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I have no complaints about yesterday's coverage. Thought it was very good for a Villa point of view. Luton git hardly any which was harsh as they did very well yesterday
Personally hope luton stay up i admire their guts and determination
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Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
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Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
Also aren't we top or close to top for scoring in the last 10 minutes (although we are definitely top for first half goals).
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Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
You know what, I watched it back this morning and I have no idea what I was so cross about. That’ll teach me (again) not post on here when a bit tired and emotional! Apologies to Mr Pearce are due.
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More of a R5 thing. But Mark Warburton. I didn't hear his commentary, just saw a few in the BBC text, but he seems a strange choice for co-commentator as he has never played at any real level or managed at much past Championship. Even his Rangers gig started during the rising from the grave. He also didn't seem to give much insight. I suppose it is better giving him the money then the braying hyenas they sometime do though.
With you there. I don't mind people from football in general being part of the studio discussion team but the pro making in-match comments in a PL games needs to be that level player. I want to know what was possible/impossible and what was really good/bad from a person who experienced it at the highest level.
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Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
OK, that would be appropriate.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
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Nah, if we lose they will put the game on first, but if we win, they will put the game on last.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
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If you go on to the Saturday Match Report's on the BBC teletext sports page, our game is not even mentioned.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
Not sure that's true , pretty sure I've seen Big6 games on live then 1st on MOTD .
Spurs Palace should have been down the pecking order. Our game had top and bottom connotations
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Nah, if we lose they will put the game on first, but if we win, they will put the game on last.
Ha! Very good. Probably accurate as well.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
Not sure that's true , pretty sure I've seen Big6 games on live then 1st on MOTD .
Spurs Palace should have been down the pecking order. Our game had top and bottom connotations
They have, but even last week both Citeh and Arsenal were below us in the pecking order as both matches were on live that evening.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
Not to mention it kicked off later, so less time to review and edit.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
Not to mention it kicked off later, so less time to review and edit.
The order of play too. Spurs kicking off at 3pm and winning meant they gained ground on us to the viewer who isn’t as invested in league positions and hasn’t been following the day’s results.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.
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So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
They didn't even do any coverage of Luton post match they were fawning so much over Watkins and our comeback.
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So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.
And rightly so, a bottom three club beating a top four club is a bigger story.
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So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
As you well know, your latest punt on "all a conspiracy" was we would have "definitely been first if we had lost to Luton". But as you just like farming replies, cheerio.
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They don’t tend to put games that have been live on TV high up in the running order.
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I reckon supporters of every side that won yesterday will have a case for being on first. Meanwhile, the second and third best sides in west London will be screaming their game was a derby.
Woe am we.
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So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
I can guarantee they won't be on ahead of us on MOTD2 next Sunday.
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I liked Lineker's comments about Ollie last night. At last somebody not looking with claret and blues goggles can see the great work he does other than scoring goals.
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So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
I can guarantee they won't be on ahead of us on MOTD2 next Sunday.
ha i know Legion called it earlier on
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.
Probably as it would have been a surprise - as it happens 2 teams fighting for the same position both won so showing chronologically isn’t anything significant - doesn’t matter then if Pearce mentioned Spurs result in comms etc
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
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spot on. and MOTD never mention we have players out injured either like they do with Spurs / Liverpool etc
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I watched GAme of the Day on sky round my mums , didnt know the score expecting goals galore as I knew the newcastle , fulham and spurzzz scores .
Gutted watching that waste of 90 mins
was happy to see that watkins dummy on MOTD thou in the talk after the highlights
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
Absolutely.
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes.
If a good chunk of it started coming here, their focus would change too.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
Absolutely.
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes.
If a good chunk of it started coming here, their focus would change too.
Agree with everything you say there Paulie
Not sure it fits the narrative of some tho :-)
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I wonder would the Forest-Liverpool game been on last had it stayed scoreless.
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I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes
That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
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I wonder would the Forest-Liverpool game been on last had it stayed scoreless.
Think in that instance it's
1. Spurs game
2 Liverpool game
3 us
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
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Exactly that . Just look at that interview with Pep.yesterday where he has to remind the wanky reporter Aston Villa are in the running too.
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I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes
That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
See Arsenal TV and all that bollocks too. Every team has a set of fans who think the media has it in for them.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Nail on head Dave
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Yes, this is the reality of the position. They don’t care about us because commercials we don’t matter.
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That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
See Arsenal TV and all that bollocks too. Every team has a set of fans who think the media has it in for them.
On the Yanited fprum they were moaning about the inordinate number of jammy last minute goals Liverpool score, whereas people are still banging on about the injury time winners they got against Sheff Weds 30+ years ago.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
I broadly endorse this linguistically tame post.
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I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
There was one weird thing on I think the new years day edition of MOTD2. Where at the end of the show they talked about the title race and it being between Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and possibly Spurs….we were 3rd at the time. It was just strange to omit us from that conversation completely at that moment. It was Manish as well who I like as a presenter.
Other than that, I pretty much agree with you and SE and I also find the paranoia and circular arguments tiring.
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MOTD2 and they've put Spurs on before us again. What's the excuse this time
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MOTD2 and they've put Spurs on before us again. What's the excuse this time
Honestly, who fucking cares?
Match of the Day is an anachronism (that means it is something that belongs to a period in the past). It's like moaning about the Shipping Forecast
"WHY IS NORTH UTSIRE ON BEFORE SOUTH UTSIRE?"
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They put the table up at the end . No mention of us and a "Man Utd remain 11 points off fourth" .
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Yeah but again, fuck them, who cares, they're so utterly irrelevant these days. We're chugging away in fourth, so fuck them all.
If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
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If we'd have played today they probably would have referenced us but as a lot of people keep pointing out in one way or another, who fucking cares?
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You're right it's not important , it's just annoying though.
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They put the table up at the end . No mention of us and a "Man Utd remain 11 points off fourth" .
That irritated me initially, but then I realised they were only mentioning where the clubs that played today were.
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Personally I like being ignored. We have to earn being in the national consciousness through performing consistently. We’ve gone about our business. Even Unai thinks there are still 7 teams better than us for a CL spot. We will keep winning and getting on with our business.
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Nah, if we lose they will put the game on first, but if we win, they will put the game on last.
Some of the comments on this thread are drifting in to chip on shoulder territory. I tend to think we get a reasonable crack on MOTD.
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I look at it this way, when they started to take notice, we started to fall apart, then they ignore us again and we silently cement 4th place and maybe pounce for a higher spot if someone above slips up. Better to be forgotten and spring out of nowhere then be constantly referenced and have the pressure.
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If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
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If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
Add to that, I know this all feels incredible to us because of where we've been. But look at it from a neutral perspective: we have a top six squad and a top four manager. It's not that much of a surprise that we'll finish fourth or fifth, is it?
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The media love Ollie Watkins more than we do! Til he goes barren for seven games. We'll still love him then, like a brother. So we'll slag him off but not let anyone do the same, the pricks.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
We'll be second. Top two will be on first, regardless of scorelines.
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The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
We'll be second. Top two will be on first, regardless of scorelines.
No issue with that . It's logical.
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I bet we are not on first on Saturday night.
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I bet we are not on first on Saturday night.
After we pump them 7-1,we will be
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Whoosh.
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If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
Add to that, I know this all feels incredible to us because of where we've been. But look at it from a neutral perspective: we have a top six squad and a top four manager. It's not that much of a surprise that we'll finish fourth or fifth, is it?
Also, we're Aston Villa.
We're nudging back to where we belong. We're not some pointless fucking club like Albion or Small Heath having their day in the sun.
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That too.
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Watch the ****** put our game on 1st and lining up will be Jenas and Murphy.
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To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
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To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
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To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
Don't worry , I won't be watching .
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To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
Don't worry , I won't be watching .
Yes he’s fully responsible for us conceding.
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Watch the ****** put our game on 1st and lining up will be Jenas and Murphy.
Don't worry , I won't be watching .
???
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Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.
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Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.
Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
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Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.
Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
They're saving the best till last :)
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Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.
Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
They're saving the best till last :)
Might put that on then. Be rude not to.
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Spurs game on third, if they'd won it would be on first. Typical Spurs bias! >:(
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Quite predictable, they have covered up as best they could that Spursy debacle . Focused on an already doomed Burnley then a stalemate in luton . Wankers . The BBC hierarchy must be absolutely gutted with that Spursy result today.
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As much as I obviously want us to achieve champs league on our own merit it's almost as satisfying knowing that if we do it means that 3 of the scum 6 splitters are out of it. 2 of them not even close.
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If we aren't on first tonight there's definitely an issue.
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If we aren't on first tonight there's definitely an issue.
Is the FA Cup not part of the highlights?
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If we aren't on first tonight there's definitely an issue.
Is the FA Cup not part of the highlights?
No, they're usually separate.
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I checked and they have prem highlights for 25 mins, then FA Cup highlights as a separate programme.
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I checked and they have prem highlights for 25 mins, then FA Cup highlights as a separate programme.
What time (us)?
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Normal time of 2230.
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Plenty of talking points today .
VAR disallowed 2 goals - both correctly.
They didn't give us a blatant pen ??
Zaniolo should have had a 2nd yellow ?
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Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
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Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.
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On first.
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Decent from Warnock I thought.
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Warnock is a good pundit. Nailed it when speaking about our backline and best current CB pairing being Konsa / Torres.
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TBH, both of them were seemed decent pundits. Clear, concise and not laughing like a loon.
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On first.
Is the only game….lol
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On first.
Is the only game….lol
So we were last? Defund the BBC.
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Decent from Warnock I thought.
Yes, I enjoyed that. I can tell ‘it feels like a win’ else I wouldn’t have watched it live otherwise. Looking forward to The Monday football show on Sky as well.
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Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
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TBH, both of them were seemed decent pundits. Clear, concise and not laughing like a loon.
Agree but they didn’t analyse our penalty claim after saying they would discuss it.
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Warnock is a good pundit. Nailed it when speaking about our backline and best current CB pairing being Konsa / Torres.
Agreed, Walcott doesn't add a lot though.
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Warnock always sounds lucid and reasonably well researched whenever I hear him. Definitely one of the best BBC pundits.
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Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
Its recorded on your smart box so you can go back in the programme listing and watch from start.
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Warnock always sounds lucid and reasonably well researched whenever I hear him. Definitely one of the best BBC pundits.
Plus he's a paid-up disciple of the Emery way, having watched us in pre-season training.
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Warnock always sounds lucid and reasonably well researched whenever I hear him. Definitely one of the best BBC pundits.
Plus he's a paid-up disciple of the Emery way, having watched us in pre-season training.
Definitely seems to have an interest in us as his knowledge on Emery the system and players is very good. From the outside looking in I'd say he has a bond with the club.
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Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
Its recorded on your smart box so you can go back in the programme listing and watch from start.
Cheers olaftab. Found and watching now.
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TBH, both of them were seemed decent pundits. Clear, concise and not laughing like a loon.
Agree but they didn’t analyse our penalty claim after saying they would discuss it.
No they didn't. They said they would get back to Soucek's handball later just after they came back from Emery mentioning our handball. I'm surprised they didn't dedicate at least 20 seconds of the sparse programme to it though even if it would have been, "seen them given but can see why they didn't in this case."
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Proximity seemed to be the excuse given.
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Pesonally I think the proximity argument is a false one in this situation. The guy put his arm into an unnatural position which blocked one of the most likely paths for a cross into the box. That his arm was there first and the ball was kicked into it doesn't really change that. If it had been a keeper he'd be getting praise for 'making himself big'.
I understand why they made the decision they did but I think it's a dangerous way to interpret the law that runs the risk of defenders putting an arm out early to interfere withplay in a way that they standa decent chance of getting away with.
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And it's not like handballs aren't given all the time when defenders are using their arms while jumping, because they are not perceived to be in a "natural position".
Which I think is ridiculous personally, as it's perfectly natural to use your arms while jumping.
But them's the rules & we have had them given against us for similar shit & had the "un-natural position of the arms" by that little shit-weasel boot licker Gallagher on Skum sports in his little "defend the refs" skit inbetween Skum Spotts wanking over Chelsea, Liverpool, ManU & ManC...
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Pesonally I think the proximity argument is a false one in this situation. The guy put his arm into an unnatural position which blocked one of the most likely paths for a cross into the box. That his arm was there first and the ball was kicked into it doesn't really change that. If it had been a keeper he'd be getting praise for 'making himself big'.
I understand why they made the decision they did but I think it's a dangerous way to interpret the law that runs the risk of defenders putting an arm out early to interfere withplay in a way that they standa decent chance of getting away with.
Someone on the Guardian comments said the rules now seem to be if you're an attacker it's always handball and if defending it never is, which seems to be the direction of travel with these changes.
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A routine home win over a mid-table team so we'll probably be on 6th or 7th tonight, given the late drama in some of the other games.
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A routine home win over a mid-table team so we'll probably be on 6th or 7th tonight, given the late drama in some of the other games.
Again, just the media's pro-Wolves, anti-Villa bias.
Trying to hide how great we are for some unexplainable reason.
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Should be on first given it was the highest ranking team in the table, and a local derby! But no, I agree with Dave, it will be shunted behind Tottenham and Chelsea's games. Only 39,000 at Stamford Bridge today. I thought they were supposed to be a big club?
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A routine home win over a mid-table team so we'll probably be on 6th or 7th tonight, given the late drama in some of the other games.
Our game will be on as an afterthought. Where is lineker ? Programme is an absolute shambles.
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We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
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We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
lol...yes in the scheme of things probably the most insignificant match today.
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We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
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We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
It's almost like the match they played in was far more entertaining than the most routine, 2-0 home win you could imagine that we played in.
I mean, unless you're suggesting that I dunno, Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace should be on before Villa 5-4 Everton just because they're higher in the league?
Just put the matches on from highest in the league downwards? Regardless of what actually happened?
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We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
I would have been fine behind the Sheffield United / Fulham match as well. But then he didn't get a response for his first post so tried again and this time people responded.
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We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
The Spurs game wasn't exciting.
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We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
It's almost like the match they played in was far more entertaining than the most routine, 2-0 home win you could imagine that we played in.
I mean, unless you're suggesting that I dunno, Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace should be on before Villa 5-4 Everton just because they're higher in the league?
Just put the matches on from highest in the league downwards? Regardless of what actually happened?
Spot on , that's the way it should be .
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I would have been fine behind the Sheffield United / Fulham match as well. But then he didn't get a response for his first post so tried again and this time people responded.
Agreed, and I'd have been fine being on after the Yanited game if it hadn't finished so late.
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Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
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4 year old Harriet at the Blades game, with an incurable brain tumour. That's a tough one for the poor kid!
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Wilder is a hardworking Yorkshire lad. He works hard for his money.
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Made sense. Good come back at St Execution Park, spuds game was at 3 so in order of how the table changed and a fine performance from Burnley battling relegation against a mid table side.
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We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
Yep, seemed fair to me. If Brentford/Man Utd had been a 3pm KO I would've had that ahead of us as well.
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4 year old Harriet at the Blades game, with an incurable brain tumour. That's a tough one for the poor kid!
Absolutely, just a shame they tried to make it about MOTD rather than her. "Here's another dream she's making - a starring role on Match of the Day!"
Not really. A brief mention before the sixth game.
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Wilder is a hardworking Yorkshire lad. He works hard for his money.
I thought it was quite subtle. If he said what he really thought most of the interview would have been beeped out and he’d have been heavily fined.
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Is it in Jonathan Pearce's contract that he does all our games now. Seems to always be doing our games these days.
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Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
Yes, he's one of the ones I can listen to.........and anyone who keeps Micah Richards off my screen gets my vote
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MOTD is rubbish nowadays.The second Newcastle penalty was an absolute joke but they never even mentioned it.
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Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
He must have enjoyed his time with us as he is usually very complementary when talking about us with Sue Smith on Sky Sports.
He must follow our updates as he is one of the few who mentioned our injuries when Sky Sports were crying into their cornflakes about Spurs having a few out.
Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
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Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
He must have enjoyed his time with us as he is usually very complementary when talking about us with Sue Smith on Sky Sports.
He must follow our updates as he is one of the few who mentioned our injuries when Sky Sports were crying into their cornflakes about Spurs having a few out.
Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
Don't let Dr Joseph Barton hear you say that about Sue Smith, he'll go into meltdown. I agree that Stephen Warnock and Sue Smith are very good summarisers, I enjoy their interaction with Dermot Gallagher when disagreeing with his takes on potential or actual penalty calls.
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MOTD is rubbish nowadays.The second Newcastle penalty was an absolute joke but they never even mentioned it.
I was thinking the same thing it seems a lot of people are complaining about that. The Sheffield United disallowed goal wasn't mentioned and we've seen these allowed to stand before.
Just a small thing but our offside goal wasn't shown in the highlights which would have balanced up the talk of Wolves dominating in the first 20 minutes.
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Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
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Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
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Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
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Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
He is a c**t.
And he is shit at his job.
He is right up there with Lee Hendrie as one of the worst commentators out there.
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Is everyone who's not very good at their job a c**t?
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Is everyone who's not very good at their job a c**t?
No. He is both.
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Why?
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Why?
Genetics.
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Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
The clue is in her name.
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Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
He is a c**t.
And he is shit at his job.
He is right up there with Lee Hendrie as one of the worst commentators out there.
I think Li’l Lee is good.
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Another vote for Lee Hendrie fanclub. I like him cause he's biased towards us.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
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If we beat Citeh and Arse again in the coming weeks, then you could moan if we weren't mentioned. But being as we are 5 points behind 3rd and 8 points behind 1st and everyone above us have a game in hand, I'm not too bothered we are not showing in the race.
Now if you want to moan that Garth Crooks believes Konsa had a "lengthy lay-off through injury" and that it is Konsa who "stopped us conceding from set-plays" which had been our problem recently, then I'll have your back.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
Let's be honest, we're not in the race.
However, where I think you've got a point, is earler tonight I found myself wondering if, say, it was Man United in 4th place with our points / games yada situation, would they only be showing the top three then?
I don't think they would.
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At least they put us on first tonight in the round up of yesterday's games.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
That will be because we’re not in the mix for the title.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
Well we’re not.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
It's about three weeks since you decided our season was basically finished and we needed to be worried about finishing below West Ham.
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MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
It's about three weeks since you decided our season was basically finished and we needed to be worried about finishing below West Ham.
Ha. Was that the Flinstonesque post Spuds shenanigans?
We would need to win all games including v Top3 and for Liverpool (who play Blades on Thursday) to collapse significantly as after weeks games even if we beat Cit-eh we'd need to get 9 more points from 7 games than Liverpool could get from 8.
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It took an excellent second half of the season to finish 7th last season. Going from there to finishing 4th would do me this year, so really not bothered about not being bracketed into the group chasing the title. It was nice, but unrealistic, when we were in the conversation at the end of last year.
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Well if we win our next 2 they might have to begrudgingly mention us. Fine margins and all that .
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It took an excellent second half of the season to finish 7th last season. Going from there to finishing 4th would do me this year, so really not bothered about not being bracketed into the group chasing the title.
7th -> 4th -> ??.
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Seems they are doing their vodcast on our relegation season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68742239
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Well "Big Meeks" comes over as as much as a bellend in that that we always thought he was.
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Well "Big Meeks" comes over as as much as a bellend in that that we always thought he was.
He was Club Captain - an abominable example to all other players. Results showed it.
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I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.
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I'm assuming they have an upcoming episode of 'Top 10' which will be about relegations.
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Danny Murphy confessing to cocaine addiction when he finished playing, an explanation of sorts on why he regularly talks cobblers then.
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Danny Murphy confessing to cocaine addiction when he finished playing, an explanation of sorts on why he regularly talks cobblers then.
Surely the most miserable sounding cocaine user since Eric Clapton.
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I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.
Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
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I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.
Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
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I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.
Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
I just want to erase that era / memories unfortunately i went to most of the games back then .
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I dislike Lescott more than Richards, to be fair, probably because I was under the impression he was one of us (dislike equaling having to fight the urge to put a boot through the TV every time he appeared at one point).
Richards at least had the fact he was crocked in the Championship and had the right to see out his contract on his side. It was still a nerve for him to whine about his wages dropping to a quarter of what they were at Citeh after we were relegated, though.
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Lescott the car tweet after the 0-6 home loss summed up his contempt for the fans. Proper see you next Tuesday guy .
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Agbonlahor, Richards, N'Zogbia, Lescott, Ireland, Bacuna...*shudder*
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Lescott the car tweet after the 0-6 home loss summed up his contempt for the fans. Proper see you next Tuesday guy .
That was a definite part of my dislike of him as well. Claimed he'd sent it accidently by sitting on his phone.
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Richards mentioned that on the Lineker podcast a few weeks ago. Seemed to back Lescotts story ( I know that he would as a mate )
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Ive seen us relegated twice in my time going to Villa Park, both times it was a few years before finally hitting.
I don’t know whether this was influenced by me being a kid of 13 first time round in 86-87 and a bot more naive, but it felt like lots of that team gave more of a shit. Allan Evans, Spinksy, Steve Hunt, Paul Birch, Mark Walters, Garry Thompson, did seem like they cared, they were just badly managed.
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Ive seen us relegated twice in my time going to Villa Park, both times it was a few years before finally hitting.
I don’t know whether this was influenced by me being a kid of 13 first time round in 86-87 and a bot more naive, but it felt like lots of that team gave more of a shit. Allan Evans, Spinksy, Steve Hunt, Paul Birch, Mark Walters, Garry Thompson, did seem like they cared, they were just badly managed.
They were pretty shit on the pitch for sure , I went to most games them days . Jesus that 0-3 v Charlton at Palace etc etc.
The difference now is social media . It didn't exist back then .
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Agbonlahor, Richards, N'Zogbia, Lescott, Ireland, Bacuna...*shudder*
Agree although Ireland had long since gone before the relegation season.
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I genuinely think Lescott was more just thicker than a whale omelette than genuinely vindictive.
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I genuinely think Lescott was more just thicker than a whale omelette than genuinely vindictive.
Or to use the well known H&V expression - as thick as the thickest of thick pig shit!
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It's good to hear from those responsible for our relegation and how badly they were affected. It's best to keep the thoughts of those who traipsed up and down the country, spending their hard earned cash away from the airwaves isn't it?
What a bunch of fucking wankers.
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This only in part explains why Danny Murphy is a completely miserble dull prick.
https://x.com/bbcsport/status/1777961307481772464?s=46
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So clearly admitting to regularly using class A illegal drugs.
So when can he expect his P45 from the publicly funded BBC?
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Danny Murphy confessing to cocaine addiction when he finished playing, an explanation of sorts on why he regularly talks cobblers then.
Met him in Portugal a few years ago. We were were talking to Luke Young and he came along. After a bit my mate asked him to take a photo of us with Young. Murphy slammed the camera down, said "I'm not a f**king cameraman" and stormed off. Later on he was kicking off at the barman for not putting enough Red Bull into his vodka. Complete ballbag
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It's good to hear from those responsible for our relegation and how badly they were affected. It's best to keep the thoughts of those who traipsed up and down the country, spending their hard earned cash away from the airwaves isn't it?
What a bunch of fucking wankers.
I will never ever forgive those who should have known better.
Richards.
Gabby and Lescott from Villa supporting families.
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I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.
Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
Yep, if ever there was to be a 'hall of shame' created in the bowels of Villa Park, the pictures of those clowns woukd definitely be adorning the walls. The money we wasted on that shower during that time is sickening really.
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H and V's favourite actor is doing the Guess the Score this week with Chris Sutton.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68756582
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Surely first on tonight . And hopefully either Danny Murphy is on or Ian Wright.
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I honestly think the scouse match will be on first, simply because as it was today, the narrative was Liverpool lost so can Arsenal take advantage. Which to me if fair enough.
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I honestly think the scouse match will be on first, simply because as it was today, the narrative was Liverpool lost so can Arsenal take advantage. Which to me if fair enough.
Your probably right. I hope then they give us decent credit for the performance.
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Which gimps will be on tonight? The guffawing clown was on motd1 so hopefully he's not.
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Hopefullly Warnock and one other. Someone did mention Ian Wright was on some foreign channel's studio team, but I suspect he could still make the studio.
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Which gimps will be on tonight? The guffawing clown was on motd1 so hopefully he's not.
Don't care, it's Must See TV tonight.
*It'd be nice if it's Wrighty though.
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Quick check on BBC and it is Jason Mohammed presenting tonight, and he tweeted Shay Given and Alan Shearer. That latter will have good things to say about Watkins finish I'm sure (if allowed to analyse on us and not them). And Emi's stop for Given to lust over.
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Wonder if we will be 1st or 2nd? Im guessing second after the kloppwankfest we have seen recently
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They must be hastily re-writing the Klopp final season tributes after this week's results.
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Poor Klopp, it’s all falling apart.
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Wonder if we will be 1st or 2nd? Im guessing second after the kloppwankfest we have seen recently
The narrative fits second because we played second after Liverpool had shat the bed. For the few who don't know the scores today, if they started with our game and the commentary team starting with "Arsenal just need to win and will be buoyed with that Liverpool loss earlier" and ending with "Citeh will be happy both the challengers have lost today", the other match score is already leaked.
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They must be hastily re-writing the Klopp final season tributes after this week's results.
The Netflix series isn't going to plan .
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We should be second. The Liverpool match was first so when that's done they can do the "Arsenal can take advantage" stuff. Which is actually the order of events as they happened. It's the order i'd do it if it was me.
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"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
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"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
There are 8 points between us and 3rd, (11 before the match), there are two points between 3rd and 1st. I don't think it is too controversial to refer to the just the three battling for the title.
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Told you that Shearer would be gushing.
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Told you that Shearer would be gushing.
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Decent coverage for us tonight , hard though for them to anyhow downplay that .
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Great to see Unai get the credit he deserves too.
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
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And Guzan
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H and V's favourite actor is doing the Guess the Score this week with Chris Sutton.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68756582
Toby Jones surely?
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
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Shay Given did a very complimentary bit on Carlos' performance. Great positioning and extremely fast. Good to see.
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Any links to Ian Wright's reaction today? I'm sure he must have been covering the game for five grand off some Middle-Eastern broadcast outpost.
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Ian Wright@IanWright0
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Villa the braver team. Great performance. Loads of injuries, midweek games, better than us in everything. Unrecognisable Arsenal in that second half.
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"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
There are 8 points between us and 3rd, (11 before the match), there are two points between 3rd and 1st. I don't think it is too controversial to refer to the just the three battling for the title.
Still, if they wanted to hype up the show, ‘three of the top four’ sounds better.
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
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Very kind of Declan Rice to give us absolutely zero credit for beating Arsenal twice this season without conceding. Apparently they should have scored 3 or 4 in each game?
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"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
I thought exactly the same. Why two out three and not three out of four!
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Watching the goals from Saturdays games, how many Man City 'fans' had left the stadium by the time of their last couple of goals?
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fair play to MOTD 2
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
Thanks.
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I think we need to get over this perceived tv bias thing. Of course the bigger teams will get more focus, it's what attracts the viewers. I guess it was the same for us when we were in the second tier. Also the title narrative will take priority over top 4 or even relegation. In fact if we weren't involved I would be ambivalent over the race for Champions league particularly as the finishing line isn't very well defined.
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fair play to MOTD 2
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
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Yes he asked Emi.
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I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
I hope his answer was, "Not if they play us every week".
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I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
I hope his answer was, "Not if they play us every week".
Yes it was when he veered off asking Emi what he thought about Arsenal (generally) and Ollie being a boyhood fan. Both were understandably complimentary although Ollie looked a little baffled.
Clearly someone spoke in his interviewer's ear and asked him to ask them about Villa
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Sky do have some very thick people in front of the cameras, probably behind the scenes to.
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fair play to MOTD 2
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
That was excruciating, but kind of in keeping with the whole Sky output. It's all about a few teams and it always will be.
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They had that Ornstein fella on R5 this morning, talking about the defeats for Liverpool and Arsenal. He was genuinely complimentary about us, but messed it all up when talking about Emery by saying "and don't forget, he did get them 2-0 up Man City on the final day of last season, although they eventually lost the game." You might want to check your notes on that one mate.
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From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
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Cheers for the Ian Wright stuff, PWS!
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From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
I thought there was only one Palace and one Villa when it comes to league football.
So he is bemoaning the fact that the so called also rans can buy and retain good players.
How very dare us
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Palace and Villa lumped together, ha. Yes lower middle table and 4th are exactly the same.
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From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
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It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
That was a enkleman mark 2. But i still dont get how that enklemen goal stood as it was from a throw on
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
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Because Ellery can see a keeper make a very very fine touch of a ball from the halfway line whilst looking the opposite direction. And also Encklemann was too shit to even make out he hadn't touched it and reacted like he had personally booted it in.
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
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Elleray the absolute moron bottled it big time that night.
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
There's quite a few people in the comments below the article taking issue with it, because it's ridiculous and ignorant.
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Because Ellery can see a keeper make a very very fine touch of a ball from the halfway line whilst looking the opposite direction. And also Encklemann was too shit to even make out he hadn't touched it and reacted like he had personally booted it in.
Enckelman probably didn't know the rule.
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
Probably not the place to look for that
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
Yeah definitely. I think most of us are ecstatic after yesterday - as good a performance and result from any Villa team I've seen.
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There's no club in Europe/anywhere more "storied" than us, that's the one objection I'd have.
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From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
There is a link.... Palace played in Claret and Blue until the 1973...
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Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
That's the way I read it as well. Isn't he saying that 'slip ups' are more likely to happen in the league than in europe due to the financial strength of all in it.
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There is that, but I think the main contention point is they are claiming a top 3 side losing to 14th is on par with a top 3 side losing to the 4th side.
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Palace and Villa lumped together, ha.
Should only happen when Princes William and George attend our games.
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From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
Correct. We were only 2 places behind arsenal so it's not actually as a big a shock result as some make out. Alternatively Palace are way behind Liverpool.
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It’s the bit about more storied European rivals that winds me up.
No Club is more storied than Aston Villa!
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Palace and Villa lumped together, ha.
Should only happen when Princes William and George attend our games.
When will be known as Royal or Real Villa? Do we have to wait til ole Jugears pops his clogs and will we get a Royal Crest on the Trinity Stand or a new badge?
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From the Guardian match report:
'No one seemed to have noticed Bailey lurking at the far post as Lucas Digne’s cross dribbled across the area.'
Maybe because he wasn't lurking at the far post - he ran on to the ball from closer to the edge of the area
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Now we are being picky. He was definitely lurking.
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Yep, if you watch him he moves across into the space which Arse left after the original corner. Whilst he wasn't standing on the back post waiting, he was certainly lurking in the area totally missed by the defenders.
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I take lurking to mean standing around, not moving quickly across the box! His burst of speed was most impressive!