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Offline ROBBO

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #975 on: December 23, 2019, 01:47:22 AM »
I am trying to understand the logic of playing a high line with a snail pace centre half against a very pacey forward line, that's two games Leicester and Southampton where his tactics were woeful.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #976 on: December 23, 2019, 02:44:37 AM »
This is why Iíve pretty much lost faith in DS. Itís not like itís small margins costing us either itís errors so basic that a Sunday pub team would be embarrassed. Look at the capitulation against Arsenal, the marking at set pieces where on several occasions heís openly admitted we got these wrong due to poor communication, the lack of possession in virtually every game we play, the consistently dreadful way we start 2nd halves, the stubborn persistence with 4-4-3 and belatedly poor use of substitutions.

People have a crack at Wesley for not getting up to speed but our poorest performer so far this season has been Dean Smith imo. Heís 2 games to save his job, I hope he still can but the time for excuses and learning from mistakes has passed.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #977 on: December 23, 2019, 12:49:00 PM »
This is why Iíve pretty much lost faith in DS. Itís not like itís small margins costing us either itís errors so basic that a Sunday pub team would be embarrassed. Look at the capitulation against Arsenal, the marking at set pieces where on several occasions heís openly admitted we got these wrong due to poor communication, the lack of possession in virtually every game we play, the consistently dreadful way we start 2nd halves, the stubborn persistence with 4-4-3 and belatedly poor use of substitutions.

People have a crack at Wesley for not getting up to speed but our poorest performer so far this season has been Dean Smith imo. Heís 2 games to save his job, I hope he still can but the time for excuses and learning from mistakes has passed.

This. Sums it up for me. If Dean rolls out the same team and same approach on Boxing Day, he will be toast

Offline wince

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #978 on: December 23, 2019, 01:23:16 PM »
Thing is we have all been guilty of expectations being higher than our ability. We have some genuine talent on the pitch but as a team it isnít gelling and by the time we do gel I fear it is too late. I believe the side has the makings of a good side but it is one that maybe needed a season in the championship to gel. Our financial position then and now means that it wasnít an option but coming up when we did and with huge chunks of the play off final team no longer here has affected us, massively. The we are a big club bollocks hasnít helped as since our absence there is s new order in the prem. Changing managers every 5 minutes is only a short term effect and only creates a viscous circle. I donít think smith is the right manager for us at the moment but to drop him now will again only potentially give us a short term managers boost. He has been found out at this level and the coaching staff need to be proactive not reactive. Any reactive changes need to be done quickly as we have massively been found out. I got ripped apart when I said this run of form was typically dean smith as it happened with Brentford and with us (comparisons were made and consensus was we arent in championship anymore) but this win or lose will be dangerous as results need to be ground out at times. More than anything the lambert years are back with no ball retention a hell bent for leather first minutes and then shitting ourselves defending a 1 nil lead. Then we did have a striker who could score. The lack of striking power is pathetic and we might as well play 10 men but also Wesley needs service. At the moment just like the lambert years the service is patchy or non existent.

If Iím honest we are crocked this season unless the team and coaches step up and wake up to the situation and focus on tactics that work rather than slavishly adopting a system of 433 that is clearly not working. The teams around us are hitting form. To close the gaps itís now or never but I just think our heads have dropped and where we are lacking is leaders on and off the pitch.

Sorry for the ranting.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #979 on: December 23, 2019, 01:25:21 PM »
I think we have come to the point where we need to close this thread and start a new one asking if anyone is NOT starting to get worried. Although at the moment it would almost certainly be a short lived thread.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #980 on: December 23, 2019, 01:33:02 PM »
After the next five league games we will either be happy, suicidal or somewhere in between.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #981 on: December 23, 2019, 01:36:20 PM »
Good post Wince.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #982 on: December 23, 2019, 01:51:39 PM »
I'm definitely worried. When the players stop running and hide then it's the beginning of the end. Having seen it several times now. Maybe there will be a good reaction for the Norwich game, but I suspect morale is flat.

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #983 on: December 23, 2019, 01:56:18 PM »
I'm definitely worried. When the players stop running and hide then it's the beginning of the end. Having seen it several times now. Maybe there will be a good reaction for the Norwich game, but I suspect morale is flat.
Can you imagine VP if Norwich score first?

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #984 on: December 23, 2019, 01:56:30 PM »
Seconded, good post Wince

Offline wince

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #985 on: December 23, 2019, 02:19:28 PM »
Cheers lads. I am not as astute on tactics as some but surely a 352 would be better. Iím having a break from caring at moment as wont let football get in the way of Christmas. But letís get behind the villa and hope we survive and get our mojo back

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #986 on: December 23, 2019, 04:47:13 PM »
Nice one Wince ......I'm no longer worried, just resigned
Going into the season without at least two recognised/experienced strikers was naive at best .....fucking stupid more like
If the club fail to act now then I guess they too are resigned to going back down or are placing blind faith in Smith come what may - hence the contract renewal
If Smith is integral to the "plan" and therefore the future of the club I suggest it will competing against the likes of Rotherham and Wigan rather than Liverpool or Citeh .... over the top reaction? Maybe ,but I am extremely disappointed  that the euphoria,goodwill  and momentum generated at Wembley, and after,will be lost ........we need to behave like a big club if we are to be taken seriously - that starts with the appointment of a manager who can manage a big club
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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #987 on: December 23, 2019, 04:59:03 PM »
I think our position, and the spending to even be there shows just how far behind we are following years of neglect. It's going to take an awful lot more money and time to get us competing.

Offline villa `cross the mersey

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #988 on: December 23, 2019, 05:23:09 PM »
I think our position, and the spending to even be there shows just how far behind we are following years of neglect. It's going to take an awful lot more money and time to get us competing.
ouch ....that's  the  reality and it  hurts :(

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Re: Anyone starting to get worried?
« Reply #989 on: December 23, 2019, 05:24:38 PM »
I think our position, and the spending to even be there shows just how far behind we are following years of neglect. It's going to take an awful lot more money and time to get us competing.

Yeah, I just didn't realise how established the "established teams" are. It's going to take a lot of effort, from all elements of this club, to stay in this division

 


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