I don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.
Quote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:59:04 PMQuote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:50:42 PMQuote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:44:27 PMQuote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:36:52 PMNo-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.He doesn't count as he's a serial, name changing, pillock of a troll. Your notes in bold above appeared to cast the accusation wider.And you did look stupid in the match thread, your post read to me like you're slightly annoyed at having been proven spectacularly wrong on that occasion.So after rather haughtily (and wrongly) accusing me of saying people were calling others stupid, you then go and actually tell me I looked stupid. Marvellous stuff. Consider this - by saying I looked stupid and was proved "spectacularly wrong", aren't you aligning yourself with said gloating troll - as if Trez is suddenly the rebirth of Thierry Henry, and most of us were too dumb to realise it?
Quote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:50:42 PMQuote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:44:27 PMQuote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:36:52 PMNo-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.He doesn't count as he's a serial, name changing, pillock of a troll. Your notes in bold above appeared to cast the accusation wider.And you did look stupid in the match thread, your post read to me like you're slightly annoyed at having been proven spectacularly wrong on that occasion.
Quote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:44:27 PMQuote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:36:52 PMNo-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.I never said anyone called anyone else stupid, I was responding to the poster who said he must look a bit stupid now - so not sure what you are banging on about. And there's at least one person banging a giant drum for Trez, not necessarilly on this thread. Maybe you've missed it.
Quote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:36:52 PMNo-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.One poster suggested they felt a bit stupid, nobody called them stupid, and I don't see anybody banging a drum for Trez and calling out naysayers.In the fact, the only person I can remember looking stupid all weekend on this subject was the person on the match thread that mocked other supporters appreciation of Trez's work ethic just before he came on.
No-one looks stupid for having criticised Trez's ineptitude prior to yesterday. The criticism was justified, just as it has been for the recent dross served up by AEG and Traore despite their better form earlier in the season. It's those going all "Steve Bruce some people think I don't know what I'm doing after beating Rotherham" and "Alec McLeish fist pump after drawing with Wigan", as if one game proves them right, who are making themselves look a bit daft.
If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.
So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.
Quote from: Risso on April 05, 2021, 12:26:31 PMI don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.Traore definitely has more good than bad games. And even when he isn't at his best, he still always looks capable of producing something special. As he did yesterday for our second goal having spent many of the preceding minutes rolling around.I think you're being a little harsh on AEG and Trez, too.If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.As an aside, if anyone from the club's merchandising department is reading this, I'd like to buy some of those Burkina Faso wristbands, please.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 02:14:50 PMIf you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.Eh? Name a winger in the Premier League who cost that.
Quote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 02:28:07 PM So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.For the record I don't think my comments on Trez need any justification, I stand by them 100%. His record is what it is.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 02:14:50 PMQuote from: Risso on April 05, 2021, 12:26:31 PMI don't think you look stupid. All three of Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are capable of good moments. Unfortunately, the evidence so far is that all of them have many more bad games than good, and none of them are consistent enough.Traore definitely has more good than bad games. And even when he isn't at his best, he still always looks capable of producing something special. As he did yesterday for our second goal having spent many of the preceding minutes rolling around.I think you're being a little harsh on AEG and Trez, too.If you want a "consistent" winger at Premier League level you're talking about £100 million. We haven't been at that level, yet. Hopefully we will be before too long.As an aside, if anyone from the club's merchandising department is reading this, I'd like to buy some of those Burkina Faso wristbands, please. Jack Harrison and Raphina at Leeds are very good wingers, they probably cost nowhere near £100mil.
Quote from: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 02:49:04 PMQuote from: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 02:28:07 PM So you was just referring to the one poster then in your original comments? Gotcha.To clarify this, I read your comments before the sub on the match thread and thought it was harsh, then subsequently amusing. No bother.But your post in reply to the poster that felt a little foolish looks like an exercise in self justification for yesterday.Never mind, next time maybe be more specific as to who 'those' people are.For the record I don't think my comments on Trez need any justification, I stand by them 100%. His record is what it is. If it helps I’ve got over feeling stupid 😊
Raphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 03:26:53 PMRaphinha has the same number of goals as AEG from more games. Not that goals are the be all and end all, but he doesn't seem a massive upgrade on what we have based on those figures. I think if you want a player who is already significantly better than what we have (Grealish excepted), you would have to spend a fortune. Obviously you could always buy someone young and cheaper in the hope that he develops into that sort of quality but we don't always have the most patient fanbase.Raphinha has 6 goals and 6 assists.Trez has 2 goals and 1 assistEl Ghazi has 6 goals and 0 assists.Raphinha then, is either scoring or setting up a goal 1 game in 2 on average. Which is much better than any of our wingers.