Douglas Luiz - coming back?

[paul_e]

Is that the big line thing that looks like the setting of a sci-fi film?

Yeah, that's part of it, there's 5-6 'districts' including that. It will almost certainly never exist to anything like the degree they're suggesting but it's pretty clearly aimed at being the main thing to repalce their oil money.

[Goldenballs]

I agree with that, people can try to put a positive spin on it, but it's fucking shit. If these rules weren't there we'd be laughing Juve out of town with this offer for one of our best players. It's utter shit.

And if these rules weren't there then Newcastle would have spent £600m last summer, we'd (maybe) have finished fifth and DL, Martinez and Watkins would all be looking for a move this summer.

Counter-factuals work in more than one way.

That's quite a leap from the example of us having to sell a key player to bring us under a set figure decided on by the clubs a while back, which hasn't changed with inflation etc, despite having the season of our lives.

Maybe this, maybe that, maybe the other. The speculation that seems the most likely is that we HAVE to sell to meet these rules, which in their current form are shit.

It's not a leap to suggest that the current shit rules being changed to benefit us, might benefit other rival clubs more.

No, but to suggest Newcastle would've spent 600m, we'd finish 5th and have to sell all our top players is quite an OTT doomsday scenario.

You believe there is a plausible scenario that if the spending rules didn't exist (which is what you're saying is causing us a problem), Newcastle wouldn't be spending hundreds of millions of pounds in an attempt to finish in the Champions League places?

I'm saying the shit rules that are forcing us to accept a shit offer for one of best players are shit rules. You've said the rest.

Because you appear to be oblivious of the fact that those rules aren't constraining only us.

You seem to think that the only options are:

A. Keep PSR in it's current form.
B. Scrap it entirely.

I think there are changes that can be made to it to improve it, that still don't let another Man City happen. But that's for discussion in the FFP thread. As this is the Luiz thread, I kept my comment about him, and how the current rules are forcing us to accept a shit deal for him.

[N'ZMAV]

In Unai we trust.

[PeterWithesShin]

Doug at his best is very very good, but in reality in 5 years he we didn't see it enough. Go back in this thread and I bet there's been plenty about how poor he was at times for months at a time. His overall form was closer to post Xmas than 2023.

[OCD]

I wonder how dependent he was on having Kamara alongside him. His best form was when he had him next to him, so with Kamara out for the first half of the season we might have felt he's not the same player and now is the time when his value will be at it's highest.

[Astnor]

In Unai we trust."


I also tend to hold on to this. After all it need a man who knows what he is doing to make so wholesome changes that seems to be going on when our team and players has been so successful over lat 15 or so months. Exciting times. I will miss Douglas though if he is going.

[Astnor]

My text did end up in the quote - field

[RamboandBruno]

Doug at his best is very very good, but in reality in 5 years he we didn't see it enough. Go back in this thread and I bet there's been plenty about how poor he was at times for months at a time. His overall form was closer to post Xmas than 2023.

This is true.
But I absolutely loved his Emery period best, more than nearly any other player. At one point last season i genuinely thought he was the best midfielder in the country. When he goes as looks likely i will be sad about it, but like you said earlier, maybe he wants to go.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

In Unai we trust.

Unquestionably. It's Monchi I still have doubts about.

[Rodders]

Desert Telford.

Christ, please, not even in jest.

Deserting Telford should surely be at the top of anyone's agenda should they find themselves in Telford? Or at least be behind the idea of covering the whole sorry thing in sand. Sounds ideal to me.

As for Luiz, I've supported Villa for 44 of my 51 years; heartbreak and soulsearching are old friends to us all when good players bugger off. I was neither surprised nor upset when eg Yorke, Benteke, Grealish all waved not especially tearful goodbyes to the club - their departure for more money in their pockets and a gaudy trinket or two was always inevitable.

We gave Luiz his break, he's helped us to get where we are today and, regardless of PSF, perhaps he fancies a few years drinking Chianti in the sunshine. Wouldn't mind a bit of that myself, how can I blame him?

That we will triple our investment in him (wasn't he £15m?) and in return get two well thought of players for Unai to sprinkle with magic demanding dust plus a wedge of cash to boot speaks of the club being well run and savvy, even under the dark cloud of the league not allowing us to consolidate or  - God forbid! - build on our success by the simple means of *checks notes* keeping a good player on the books.

tldr: resigned to it yet again because wankers.

[VinnieChase84]

He had a very lucrative contract on his lap for the last 5 months and hasn’t signed it. After season ended he made it clear he wouldn’t be either.
Therefore club has acted to get value

[Matt C]

In which case, you can hardly blame them.

[Brazilian Villain]

He had a very lucrative contract on his lap for the last 5 months and hasn’t signed it. After season ended he made it clear he wouldn’t be either.
Therefore club has acted to get value

That makes sense in terms of why we're selling him (along with his relative lack of physicality).

I'm still puzzled as to why he wants to go from the Premier League to Juve in Serie A.

[Dogtanian]

He had a very lucrative contract on his lap for the last 5 months and hasn’t signed it. After season ended he made it clear he wouldn’t be either.
Therefore club has acted to get value

That makes sense in terms of why we're selling him (along with his relative lack of physicality).

I'm still puzzled as to why he wants to go from the Premier League to Juve in Serie A.

Pizza, lasagne, cannelloni… 

[ChicagoLion]

It also coincides with his form deterioration.