VAR

[Flamingo Lane]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, in any game pre-VAR?

Hand of God.

Sorry! I meant for offside. I shall edit my orginal post

[Bad English]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, in any game pre-VAR?

Hand of God.

Henry handball.

England WC 66 ;-)

[Bad English]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, in any game pre-VAR?

Hand of God.

Sorry! I meant for offside. I shall edit my orginal post

Ah! Off the head no. Someone will Google it though.

[Somniloquism]

Could argue England's 3rd in 66 as well, although that would be Hawkeye which is being kept and not VAR. Same as Lampard's effort in 2010.

[Flamingo Lane]

Sorry - wrongly allowed or disallowed for offside, I meant to say.

[edgysatsuma89]

But the offsides will not be an issue from next season anyway, we will get the 3D models you would have seen. At least then no-one can claim corruption on the lines being drawn, you'd have to believe the computer producing the images is dodgy. Which to be honest, will probably happen.

[chrisw1]

There was 100's of disputed offside decisions every single season before VAR.  So yeah, I'm pretty sure a whole load of those would have been important.

[lovejoy]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, for OFFSIDE, in any game pre-VAR?

Bomber brown for WBA vs Leeds. Denied them the league I think.

[Flamingo Lane]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, for OFFSIDE, in any game pre-VAR?

Bomber brown for WBA vs Leeds. Denied them the league I think.

Subjective, that would probably be allowed today, now that goalhanging is legitimate.

[Somniloquism]

Sorry - wrongly allowed or disallowed for offside, I meant to say.

This is harder to provide though. TV companies would show the footage but we would never get VAR lines. And as can be seen for something like the  Real goal midweek, or the Olympiacos goal at VP, something that looks one way on direct viewing of a still, actually if called the other when lines are drawn because of the viewing angle not being directly straight.

[Leicester_Villian]

Adding a 30 second time limit will just make everything far less accurate and increase the amount of wrong decisions.  Some situations are complex or at least require different camera angles.  There's no point bringing in tech and then hamstringing it.

I think we should wait to see how much difference semi-automated makes, because offsides are the most frequent and often most annoying applications of VAR.  Once that's sorted I'd hope the whole thing will start to feel less intrusive.

As for daylight between the players, aside from the fact that it would be disastrous for how we play, it would fundamentally change how the game is played, inevitably leading to low blocks and so probably won't have the upside people are hoping for.  And it would just shift the line of calculation, there wouldn't necessarily be any less controversy.

My point on 30 seconds is that the introduction was for a clear and obvious decision - if you can't determine that within 30 seconds then its not clear and obvious

[lovejoy]

But offside hasnt been subject to clear and obvious, either it is or it isnt. Clear and obvious was to overrule other decisions.

[Somniloquism]

The trouble is sometimes there are multiple things that need reviewing. So 30 seconds per incident or 30 seconds in total from when the ball hits the net? Look at the Newcastle / Arse game for example. Did the ball go out of play? Was it handball? Was it a foul? Was it offside?

Now for three of the four, it was inconclusive as camera angles just did not work (similar to Hawkeye / Sheffield match) but they had to try to judge all off them at least.

Or a more recent example was the Spam goal against us. Did Soucek handle it? Yes. Did it touch Bowen before it crossed the line? Yes. Did he handle it? No. So as there was no definitive handball, but a subjective one, but it looked like Soucek had deliberately handled it which the ref hadn't called, he then had to go and decide if the handball was deliberate.

So was it clear and obvious? Depends if the ref missing an handball is clear and obvious in the circumstances.

[edgysatsuma89]

VAR is full of subjective decisions, football fans cannot help but imprint their bias on whether a decision is right or wrong. Whatever they do, most fans will not agree with VAR because they'll just remember the 5 decisions that they perceive to have gone against them, rather than the 20 that did (the right decisions, of course). Scrapping VAR would probably be a popular decision, but I don't it would be the right one. Just keep improving it, 5 years of any tech is still really young. I really think the semi-automated offsides will help next season.

[Brend'Watkins]

VAR is full of subjective decisions, football fans cannot help but imprint their bias on whether a decision is right or wrong. Whatever they do, most fans will not agree with VAR because they'll just remember the 5 decisions that they perceive to have gone against them, rather than the 20 that did (the right decisions, of course). Scrapping VAR would probably be a popular decision, but I don't it would be the right one. Just keep improving it, 5 years of any tech is still really young. I really think the semi-automated offsides will help next season.

Agree with this.  In it's present form it shouldn't continue.  I don't mean for offsides as it's infinitely more accurate than a linesman ever could be on tight calls but that will be covered by this semi auto tech. It's just for the contentious decisions it needs sorting.