VAR

[KRS]

The Gordon non-penalty last night was a perfect example of the VAR technology working perfectly but the officials (or decision makers) being totally incompetent. The only glimmer of an excuse for not giving that is that Gordon is a notorious diving prick, however thats not a reasonable excuse when the technology presents clear evidence that the prick didn’t dive…and I’m not sure what the answer is when the officials can’t make the correct decision in instances like that.

[ClarrieBlue]

For all its failings, the fact that every goal is now subject to VAR is the big killer for me. Every time we score my thought is not "Goal" but rather "Will it stand" so it's taken a big chunk of joy out of the game. We have 5 years experience now so in the light of that learning, why not suspend it for a season so both clubs and fans can then directly compare the 2 approaches at the end of next season. My guess is that at the moment the clubs will want to continue with it but fans would probably bin it. I think it's important that fans are consulted in some way too.

[Baldy]

As others have said, I've no problem with scrapping the VAR element of "human beings reviewing videos of things the ref might or might not have missed", but if they scrap it for offsides, I think we'd be net losers in terms of the impact. Our high line is SO important to the way we play, and we're so well drilled at enforcing it, that we would inevitably end up shipping goals that would otherwise be deemed offside.

If it's to be semi-automated offsides with the new system, and a change only to the human element of VAR, then I'm happy with it.

Agreed, this is my fear with scrapping VAR. Unai can train our defenders but not the referees assistant.

[Whiney MacWhineface]

Has this been tabled here?

Why not use Ref’s Call, which works well in cricket, and gives more authority. So the ref’s assistant can flag what they think is an offside. The VAR people can check as they do, but if a foot, armpit, hairstyle, whatever, is found to be offside, they go with Ref’s Call.

[The Edge]

Of all the VAR decisions offsides are the ones which take longest and still often look contentious due to the camera not being in line or frame rate. The semi-automated version should help with that. For other decisions the VAR officials need to be separated from the PGMOL referees so it isn't just an arse-covering exercise. Overseas refs on VAR would be a simple solution.

Of all the things that annoy me with var the worst is what you called the frame rate. The rules state that offside is adjudged when "the ball is played" Who decides which frame is the correct one to use? Forward one frame and it's offside. Back one frame and it's onside. If human intervention could be removed and an algorithm introduced to decide on a consistent basis without bias I would be happy to go with it. Hopefully the semi automated system will deliver this.

[Demitri_C]

Giving the 90 seconds still means you take away the spontaneous enjoyment of celebrating a goal. In the old days if it was tight everyone just looked across at the lino for a split second. If they miss a blatant offside everyone usually knows at the ground and wouldn't be surprised to see the var check going up on the screen.

This is the thing i hate most about var. Its like durans 2nd the  players thought it would get disallowed so didht really celebrate with him. Hate this version of var

[Risso]

Of all the VAR decisions offsides are the ones which take longest and still often look contentious due to the camera not being in line or frame rate. The semi-automated version should help with that. For other decisions the VAR officials need to be separated from the PGMOL referees so it isn't just an arse-covering exercise. Overseas refs on VAR would be a simple solution.

Of all the things that annoy me with var the worst is what you called the frame rate. The rules state that offside is adjudged when "the ball is played" Who decides which frame is the correct one to use? Forward one frame and it's offside. Back one frame and it's onside. If human intervention could be removed and an algorithm introduced to decide on a consistent basis without bias I would be happy to go with it. Hopefully the semi automated system will deliver this.

I agree totally, as I've said before. When you see the still photo they decide to draw the lines on, the picture of the ball at that point in time is usually a blurry mess about 3 foot wide.

[Leicester_Villian]

There is nothing wrong with the concept of VAR at all. There are some issues that can be resolved fairly easily in my view ....... the intention was to change a decision if a clear and obvious error has been made .....if this takes more than 30 seconds then it's not clear and obvious and the on field decision should stand. Offside - if no change to the current law then the semi auto process must be introduced but again a max of a 30 second review, in my view offside should be when there is daylight between attacker and defender. VAR is basically a persons view of a decision and peoples view can always differ. The standard of officials needs to improve but im not sure how many times the on field decision gets changed so its more the poor decision in the first place than VAR. We will always only see a decision in a one sided manner that's in favour of our team.

[The Edge]

Of all the VAR decisions offsides are the ones which take longest and still often look contentious due to the camera not being in line or frame rate. The semi-automated version should help with that. For other decisions the VAR officials need to be separated from the PGMOL referees so it isn't just an arse-covering exercise. Overseas refs on VAR would be a simple solution.

Of all the things that annoy me with var the worst is what you called the frame rate. The rules state that offside is adjudged when "the ball is played" Who decides which frame is the correct one to use? Forward one frame and it's offside. Back one frame and it's onside. If human intervention could be removed and an algorithm introduced to decide on a consistent basis without bias I would be happy to go with it. Hopefully the semi automated system will deliver this.

I agree totally, as I've said before. When you see the still photo they decide to draw the lines on, the picture of the ball at that point in time is usually a blurry mess about 3 foot wide.

Yes every bloody time. Which obviously leaves wiggle room for bias be that conscious or sub conscious. Let an AI system make the decision every time and you eliminate that issue as it would be the same for everyone. The Bayern offside against Real Madrid the other night is a perfect example. It caused a heated debate on here and Bayern themselves have called it out as they felt cheated. I'm aware of the irony there lol.

[chrisw1]

Adding a 30 second time limit will just make everything far less accurate and increase the amount of wrong decisions.  Some situations are complex or at least require different camera angles.  There's no point bringing in tech and then hamstringing it.

I think we should wait to see how much difference semi-automated makes, because offsides are the most frequent and often most annoying applications of VAR.  Once that's sorted I'd hope the whole thing will start to feel less intrusive.

As for daylight between the players, aside from the fact that it would be disastrous for how we play, it would fundamentally change how the game is played, inevitably leading to low blocks and so probably won't have the upside people are hoping for.  And it would just shift the line of calculation, there wouldn't necessarily be any less controversy.

[The Edge]

Adding a 30 second time limit will just make everything far less accurate and increase the amount of wrong decisions.  Some situations are complex or at least require different camera angles.  There's no point bringing in tech and then hamstringing it.

I think we should wait to see how much difference semi-automated makes, because offsides are the most frequent and often most annoying applications of VAR.  Once that's sorted I'd hope the whole thing will start to feel less intrusive.

As for daylight between the players, aside from the fact that it would be disastrous for how we play, it would fundamentally change how the game is played, inevitably leading to low blocks and so probably won't have the upside people are hoping for.  And it would just shift the line of calculation, there wouldn't necessarily be any less controversy.

Balanced view. I agree with that.

[chrisw1]

My concern re semi-automated is if they are not using the chipped balls (as someone has suggested previously) then there would still be issues with the frame used for the point of impact.   But even then, no manual lines would be a massive improvement.

[Flamingo Lane]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, for OFFSIDE, in any game pre-VAR?

[Bad English]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, in any game pre-VAR?

Hand of God.

[edgysatsuma89]

Just wondering, could anyone off the top of their heads give an example of a goal, and best of all a significant goal, that was either wrongly allowed, or wrongly disallowed, in any game pre-VAR?

Hand of God.

Henry handball.