VAR

[Somniloquism]

As if the world couldn't detest Dean any more.

It shows exactly why it shouldn't be fellow officials doing VAR.

Exactly….it’s a role in itself and shouldn’t be done amongst pals having a day off from thinking about.

Should be independent of referees

Hard to be independent of referees being as they have to interpret the same rules (albeit only a specific subset).

[Malandro]

As if the world couldn't detest Dean any more.

It shows exactly why it shouldn't be fellow officials doing VAR.

Exactly….it’s a role in itself and shouldn’t be done amongst pals having a day off from thinking about.

Should be independent of referees

Hard to be independent of referees being as they have to interpret the same rules (albeit only a specific subset).

At least Den has admitted that he’s a c**t.

[Gareth]

As if the world couldn't detest Dean any more.

It shows exactly why it shouldn't be fellow officials doing VAR.

Exactly….it’s a role in itself and shouldn’t be done amongst pals having a day off from thinking about.

Should be independent of referees

Hard to be independent of referees being as they have to interpret the same rules (albeit only a specific subset).

By independent I mean you shouldn’t be refereeing on the Saturday then be the VAR on Sunday.  It should be a specialist job…I’d go as far as to say the VAR shouldn’t be a referee because as Deans example shows they side with the on field decision too much rather than saying it’s wrong.  Similar the poxy screens don’t work either, as soon as they are sent the decision changes 90%+ of the time because they are shown a replay slowed to show what the VAR wants them to see…if they must have screens it should only show angles at real time speed.

[Brend'Watkins]

I suppose with the advancement of AI Var will in time become 100% accurate.  No doubt the ***** who run it will programme the AI to have Sky favourite bias.

[Somniloquism]

By independent I mean you shouldn’t be refereeing on the Saturday then be the VAR on Sunday.  It should be a specialist job…I’d go as far as to say the VAR shouldn’t be a referee because as Deans example shows they side with the on field decision too much rather than saying it’s wrong.  Similar the poxy screens don’t work either, as soon as they are sent the decision changes 90%+ of the time because they are shown a replay slowed to show what the VAR wants them to see…if they must have screens it should only show angles at real time speed.

Of course the screen review will 90% of the time change the decision because the screen review usually means the initial decision on the field is called wrongly. If the ref states to the VAR operator that he didn't think it was a penalty because he didn't see contact, and then VAR has an angle that shows the contact, the ref will have to review to see if they believed it was enough to overrule his initial judgement. In most cases it is and slow-mo or not won't really make any difference. It is why if the ref states there was contact, but not enough in their view to class as a penalty, VAR rarely calls the ref over to the screen because any contact would be according to the on-field call.

In my view these are the ones where the ref could always have requested they want to re-look at that themselves. That is where VAR should have been useful, however due to the "delays" and other reasons, a ref won't go to the monitor to voluntarily double check their decision making.

[pablo_picasso]

As if the world couldn't detest Dean any more.

It shows exactly why it shouldn't be fellow officials doing VAR.

Exactly….it’s a role in itself and shouldn’t be done amongst pals having a day off from thinking about.

Should be independent of referees

Hard to be independent of referees being as they have to interpret the same rules (albeit only a specific subset).

The fact that they have to "interpret' the written down laws, rules & regulations of the game is the biggest problem from the get go.

Rules & regulations should not be subjective or have to be interpreted.

They should be simple to understand & be able to administer for both players & officials.

Because its not as if footballers are the brightest bunch on the planet.

They need a fucking law degree to be able to understand the convoluted & overly complicated rules that are currently in place...

[N'ZMAV]

Mike Dean - what a fucking worm.

A huge problem over the last decade or so has been this incompetant mans influence on too many matches. What a prick.

[paul_e]

As I've said many times the best change that could come to VAR is to make the audio available.

The system works in Rugby and Cricket because, if you want to, you can hear the conversation between the on-field official and the TV ref. It wouldn't fix the specific issue that Dean raised there (which is gross negligence and not a VAR specific problem) but it would remove a lot of the problems.

How you play that out in the ground is more difficult but the little radios work reasonably well for the cricket and rugby so probably copy them there as well.

What the existence of VAR does do though is acknowledge that the rules (or more accurately how they're used) at the very highest level of sport has to be different to park matches. Trying to continue with the "it's the same game at every level" thing was commendable but hasn't really made worked since the amount of footage available and the money involved went through the roof in the early 90s.

[villadelph]

Mike Dean - what a fucking worm.

A huge problem over the last decade or so has been this incompetant mans influence on too many matches. What a prick.

An arrogant worm at that. Some people aren't bothered by this but I, while not shocked, am extremely angry at the revelations and his hubris to admit it. Disgusting.

[dave shelley]

He should be horse whipped.  He gives the rest of us a bad name as if we don't have a bad enough one as it is.

[aj2k77]

He was an absolutely shit refereee aswell. ''Top 6'' Fawning twat.

[LeonW]

As I've said many times the best change that could come to VAR is to make the audio available.

The system works in Rugby and Cricket because, if you want to, you can hear the conversation between the on-field official and the TV ref. It wouldn't fix the specific issue that Dean raised there (which is gross negligence and not a VAR specific problem) but it would remove a lot of the problems.

How you play that out in the ground is more difficult but the little radios work reasonably well for the cricket and rugby so probably copy them there as well.

What the existence of VAR does do though is acknowledge that the rules (or more accurately how they're used) at the very highest level of sport has to be different to park matches. Trying to continue with the "it's the same game at every level" thing was commendable but hasn't really made worked since the amount of footage available and the money involved went through the roof in the early 90s.

I don’t think they’ll ever have the VAR audio available in real time because it will confirm what we all know and what Dean admitted to recently.

[paul_e]

As I've said many times the best change that could come to VAR is to make the audio available.

The system works in Rugby and Cricket because, if you want to, you can hear the conversation between the on-field official and the TV ref. It wouldn't fix the specific issue that Dean raised there (which is gross negligence and not a VAR specific problem) but it would remove a lot of the problems.

How you play that out in the ground is more difficult but the little radios work reasonably well for the cricket and rugby so probably copy them there as well.

What the existence of VAR does do though is acknowledge that the rules (or more accurately how they're used) at the very highest level of sport has to be different to park matches. Trying to continue with the "it's the same game at every level" thing was commendable but hasn't really made worked since the amount of footage available and the money involved went through the roof in the early 90s.

I don’t think they’ll ever have the VAR audio available in real time because it will confirm what we all know and what Dean admitted to recently.

Which is exactly why we need it and why people should push for it.

[Gareth]

I suppose with the advancement of AI Var will in time become 100% accurate.  No doubt the ***** who run it will programme the AI to have Sky favourite bias.

Thought that was a new Saudi club for a minute :-)

[villadelph]

Wenger was fined 40k and given a three match ban for calling Dean dishonest to his face.

Give that man his money back, with interest.