VAR

[Baldy]

Then you just rotate the captaincy.

Yes, but should not be allowed mid game unless the captain is substituted.

[luke95]

Then you just rotate the captaincy.

Which would be considered clear time wasting unless he's subbed .

[OCD]

The arm band plays a lesser role these days, especially with foreign managers. There's expected to be a core of players who have leadership skills. For us, for example, Mings, Martinez, McGinn, Young, Luiz, even Watkins nowadays are all leaders in the dressing room. If other teams wanted to be cynical and take advantage of a rule like that, they could just rotate the arm band and since time wasting may only happen in the last 20 minutes, substitute the captain of the day.

[SamTheMouse]

I think we'd miss VAR if they did away with it now. At least when a crap decision goes against you now, there's a chance of it being corrected, even if they don't always get it right.

It's not perfect, but the way it's used just needs to be tweaked.

[Lastfootstamper]

They keep tweaking it. They've even changed laws of the game to accommodate its flaws. It continues to get worse.

But we're in too deep now. Referees are relying on it. I'm convinced that penalty was awarded to Leicester because the ref thought (not knew, or even really believed) something, anything, dunno what, must have happened, fuck it, I'll blow my whistle and award a penalty, and if it's nothing then var will sort it out. No harm done, eh, lads?

[Nev]

You can't tweak subjective opinion, two people might share opposing views of an incident but if one happens to be the VAR official, what are you supposed to do?

All the wailing and moaning about the decisions over the weekend were precisely what VAR was bought in to stop. It didn't, it doesn't and it never will.

[dave shelley]

You can't tweak subjective opinion, two people might share opposing views of an incident but if one happens to be the VAR official, what are you supposed to do?

All the wailing and moaning about the decisions over the weekend were precisely what VAR was bought in to stop. It didn't, it doesn't and it never will.

Exactly.

[Risso]

That penalty incident for Brighton. It looked like a penalty at full speed when it happened, and you only needed to see it once slowed down to see it was definitely a penalty. You can just about forgive the on-field ref, as he may not have seen it properly, but instead of the meaningless apology from PGMOL I’d like to hear what the clowns on VAR actually thought they were watching to dismiss it.

[olaftab]

So was the reversal of pen v Leicester a subjective decision?

[Nev]

So was the reversal of pen v Leicester a subjective decision?

Of course it was, it's not a matter of fact, it's matter of opinion. I, like the general consensus and indeed the VAR official didn't think it was a penalty but it's the VAR official who is on the spot. He might've backed the ref and given it and regardless of how outraged and incredulous we might be about it, that would've been that. Just like Brighton on Saturday.

[algy]

I like the idea of each team having a set number of reviews each half.

That will become a time wasting technique.

Easily remedied though. You get 1 review. If you use it and it's correct, you can use it again whenever. Otherwise it renews after 20mins. Outside of that, it's referee's discretion. If you know something's happened and it's just the ref hasn't seen it - there's no reason not to call for a review as you'll get it back. Otherwise, you do it after 70mins and you're not getting another for the rest of the game. Going to be very hard to timewaste a huge amount that way, without punishing teams using it in the spirit intended.

[olaftab]

So was the reversal of pen v Leicester a subjective decision?

Of course it was, it's not a matter of fact, it's matter of opinion. I, like the general consensus and indeed the VAR official didn't think it was a penalty but it's the VAR official who is on the spot. He might've backed the ref and given it and regardless of how outraged and incredulous we might be about it, that would've been that. Just like Brighton on Saturday.

So sort of agree with you but I am of the opinion that that was good and an unjust decision was corrected however I am also of an opinion that VAR should not be used for subjective reviews, only for stuff that can be technically proven. The balancing out over a season implies on subjective stuff. This is a terrible dichotomy.

[baddowvillans]

So was the reversal of pen v Leicester a subjective decision?

Of course it was, it's not a matter of fact, it's matter of opinion. I, like the general consensus and indeed the VAR official didn't think it was a penalty but it's the VAR official who is on the spot. He might've backed the ref and given it and regardless of how outraged and incredulous we might be about it, that would've been that. Just like Brighton on Saturday.

So sort of agree with you but I am of the opinion that that was good and an unjust decision was corrected however I am also of an opinion that VAR should not be used for subjective reviews, only for stuff that can be technically proven. The balancing out over a season implies on subjective stuff. This is a terrible dichotomy.

How does that work then because surely every incident other than offside IS a subjective decision?  Foul/no foul, interfering with play or not, intentiona lot played the ball or deflected etc etc

[Steve67]

The linesman in the Liverpool versus Arsenal game didn’t exactly smash Robinson did he? Robinson approached him and the linesman gave him a bit of a get off me type raised arm. I appreciate it doesn’t look good but I honestly don’t think there’s anything in it, and Poor old Andy Robertson, giving it large because they were losing. I hope the FA show some common sense with this. But it seems in short supply when it comes to the FA.

[SamTheMouse]

You can't tweak subjective opinion, two people might share opposing views of an incident but if one happens to be the VAR official, what are you supposed to do?

All the wailing and moaning about the decisions over the weekend were precisely what VAR was bought in to stop. It didn't, it doesn't and it never will.

Of course where a situation is open to subjective interpretation, VAR will make no difference. But this ignores all those instances (and there are quite a few) where it results in a correct decision that otherwise would have seen an injustice allowed to stand.

If you abandon VAR, you maybe avoid those annoying pauses in play, but it's a simple fact that you will get more incorrect decisions and more whinging about them.

We'd probably only have got a point at Leicester, for a start. And I'd definitely have been whinging about that.