VAR

[dave shelley]

There was that time Man U got to take a penalty after the final whistle had blown!

Remind me of that one Martin as I genuinely can't remember it.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/manchester-united/story/4192046/how-did-man-uniteds-bruno-fernandes-score-winner-vs-brighton-after-full-time-whistle-was-blown

Cheers mate, it was Manure so I have a tendency to quickly erase anything to do with them from my memory bank.

I'm assuming that the same scenario applies if a goal is scored and the defending team kicks off for the restart.  Surely it has to?  It was always the case that once the game had been restarted after a goal had been scored, nothing could be done to disallow it and the goal stood.  Must check.

[Lastfootstamper]

I'm not going to say this is what actually happens, but...

[Footy-Vill]

Sky Sports Dermort Gallagher Ref Watch:

Gakpo disallowed goal
INCIDENT: With Liverpool trailing 1-0 to Aston Villa, Cody Gakpo scores an equaliser but an offside check is made on Virgil van Dijk, who was standing in an offside position in the build-up after Luis Diaz's header was blocked by Ezri Konsa. VAR rules that Konsa did not make a genuine attempt to play the ball, meaning Van Dijk was offside.

VERDICT: Correct decision in law, but it's tricky.

DERMOT SAYS: "In law Gakpo's goal shouldn't have stood, the officials have got it correct. The way it is written, the referees are in a pickle with it.

"This is a very tough law to interpret. It's all about if the player makes a genuine attempt to play the ball. Does he go to block the ball, does it strike him?
If you look at this incident, the VAR can't decide. He has to send the referee to the monitor because it has to be the referee's decision and it has to be subjective.
A block is a block. A genuine attempt to play the ball is to take the ball under control, clear it for a corner or to clear it up field.
The referee has to second guess the player's [Konsa] intention. The law as it is written doesn't help the officials. If I was that player I would probably be upset.
"It's a very unfortunate part of the law which leaves the officials hamstrung."

Mings booking
INCIDENT: In the first half, Tyrone Mings is penalised for a high boot on Cody Gakpo, in which the Villa defender catches the Liverpool forward in the chest. The referee gives Mings a yellow card.
VERDICT: It's a red card.

DERMOT SAYS: "There are stud marks all up his chest, he caught him at the top of his chest. He'll say he got the ball but that doesn't negate that as we saw with Casemiro earlier in the season.

"For me if you put your studs that high into someone's chest you are lucky to stay on the field.

"When you are face to face on the field you can't do that."

[pablo_picasso]

And right there is a third of the problem with refereeing across the world.

The fact that the laws of the game can be "interpreted" & are seen as "subjective" means they aren't laws of the game. They are guidelines. Which for a billion pound industry, is ridiculous.

Rules & laws should not be able to be interpreted or seen as subjective. They should be definitive. Set in stone. And simple enough for even the stupidest of referees (*cough*Mark Halsey*cough*) to be able to understand. So that even the stupidest of players (*cough*Grealish*cough*) can understand.

That way, we are all on the same playing field, physically & metaphorically.

The other two thirds are incompetence & corruption.

[paul_e]

The game will never remove subjectivity but reducing it where possible,  without damaging the game, and adding accountability where you can't is feasible. The biggest problem is that pgmol opposes the latter.

[Lastfootstamper]

VAR: Almost two-thirds of supporters oppose system's use in English football, says new survey of nearly 10,000 fans on behalf of the FSA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65971724

[Clive W]

And right there is a third of the problem with refereeing across the world.

The fact that the laws of the game can be "interpreted" & are seen as "subjective" means they aren't laws of the game. They are guidelines. Which for a billion pound industry, is ridiculous.

Rules & laws should not be able to be interpreted or seen as subjective. They should be definitive. Set in stone. And simple enough for even the stupidest of referees (*cough*Mark Halsey*cough*) to be able to understand. So that even the stupidest of players (*cough*Grealish*cough*) can understand.

That way, we are all on the same playing field, physically & metaphorically.

The other two thirds are incompetence & corruption.

But to a large extent the laws have always been subjective

The old laws talked about whether a handball was deliberate or accidental?

Remember the old “ball to hand” argument?

Two referees seeing the same incident would arrive at different conclusions

Therefore the decision was a subjective one

It just seems that changes in recent years have made more and more decisions subjective

[Footy-Vill]

 :-\Did you hear on the new format of TNT sports previously BT sport they aren't continuing with Peter Walton. Let's bring in Peter Walton is no more.

On Sky Sports this season Mike Dean will provide a detailed analysis and perspective on ref decisions on Sky Soccer Saturday.

[Bad English]

Remind me not to watch that.

[Footy-Vill]

Mike Dean enjoyed a red card didn't he.
I remember there was a furore here there and everywhere about him celebrating a goal

[Bad English]

VAR is still a pox on the game.

[Hookeysmith]

Mike Dean enjoyed a red card didn't he.
I remember there was a furore here there and everywhere about him celebrating a goal

Oh great he will be able to justify his mates shit / biased decisions In real time rather than the day after

[Nev]

I'll start the ball rolling early doors ahead of the new season here by stating, ahead of the endless arguments that it was meant to end, that it doesn't work and furthermore, never will.

[dcdavecollett]

You're right, it won't.

For one thing, they don't have enough competent referees to run the system.

[devilla]

I'd like to see the refs miked up like they have been at the women's world cup. I'd love to hear them trying to explain the latest shit decision they've made.