VAR

[frank black]

The issue IMO is that the fans in the stadium are not informed and shown what’s going on. Seems fine for the armchair supporters to know, but not those at the games. . Stops treating us like potential rioters, we are paying customers… 

[Monty]

Nah these are Premier League teams, they'd use this to shithouse so badly.

[frank black]

I like the idea of each team having a set number of reviews each half.

That will become a time wasting technique.

[Lastfootstamper]

Wouldn't take much would it.

"VAR check on the defending player's challenge on the attacker - possible non-penalty."

Maybe they could do two announcements, one from the perspective of each set of supporters.

[chrisw1]

Clear and obvious was never a requirement for offside.

For what it's worth I think they get the vast majority of offsides right now, notwithstanding debates about the interpretation of active player etc.  It will be even better once they bring in the semi automated system we saw in the world cup.

I can't see how or why anyone would be against this aspect of VAR.  Far preferable to weekly dodgy decisions, mostly favouring the 'Big' clubs.

Because it takes too long, is of questionable accuracy and ruins the enjoyment of football. Other than that though, it's great.

But as he says there is the version used in the world cup that covers most of that. I assume that was the version he was talking about.

Yes.  The semi-automated system is almost instantaneous.  Frankly I prefer the current system to Man Utd always getting favourable decisions, but the new system is much better.  Not having it would be like saying lets judge a horse race or a 1,500m Olympic final on who looks like they've won rather than who actually has (yes, I know there's 100's of reasons why there's no comparison, but y'know).

[Brend'Watkins]

They feel they have to be so formal with how they conduct it that it precludes the obvious quick word in the ear to advise them of that stuff.  Of course the argument is where do you draw the line?  When does a 'word in the ear' move to checking 2 or 3 replays for every corner of throw in etc? 

But I agree entirely, when it's that blatant it seems like common sense to correct it.

Yes there is a line I guess, maybe not with throw ins but we always see players claiming the keeper got a touch or it clipped the defender whilst the ref ignores them, the ball is already dead and it's usually obvious from a quick replay either way.

You're right, there is a line, but when they spend 4 minutes looking at the tightest of offsides, (which even then can't be that accurate anyway because there's no way of knowing the precise moment the ball left somebody's foot) then taking a few seconds to look at things like corners, which you'd think would be easier, surely wouldn't cross that line.

The famous "toenail" offsides have always been the biggest bone of contention since var was introduced, well that and the total farce of handball decisions for a possible penalty. When they do their forensic checks for offside with lines etc in particular when the passing player is visible in the images you always see a blurred ball leaving the passers boot even on my very expensive ultra HD TV!! In other words they are guessing. I am repeating myself when I say this but all they have to do is have a quick 30 second look and if it's not obvious either way then you stick with the original decision and give the goal. They have gone down a fucking rabbit hole with this one when all they had to do was stick with the original rule which was "var will only intervene where there is deemed to be a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR"

A toenail offside is offside as is half a toenail.  I know the point you're trying to make though and will only say that the technology as it is is what we work to for now. Until we have a sensor in the ball which detects velocity is generated we will never know the precise time the forward motion of the ball started. Var for offsides while not totally accurate works better than a linesman's judgement so I'm all for it.  Other uses of Var is subjective and that's where the real problem with it is. That subjectivity worked in our favour on Tuesday as the Ref's original penalty (WTF was he seeing) was correctly overruled.

[The Edge]

Clear and obvious was never a requirement for offside.

For what it's worth I think they get the vast majority of offsides right now, notwithstanding debates about the interpretation of active player etc.  It will be even better once they bring in the semi automated system we saw in the world cup.

I can't see how or why anyone would be against this aspect of VAR.  Far preferable to weekly dodgy decisions, mostly favouring the 'Big' clubs.

Well we've got var now and the sky6 consistently get dodgy decisions go their way. I think everyone was in favour of var in the beginning because we naively thought it would stop all that but the way it's been implemented by the PL it's still open interpretation so they can favour said Sky6. Deliberately in my view. There's absolutely no reason why the technology used in Qatar can't be implemented in the PL next season for offsides. That would be a game changer so let's wait and see if it happens. If it doesn't come in next season it will confirm my cynical attitude towards VAR, the PL and the Sky6.

[Lastfootstamper]

But there's some that suspect the only reason a penalty was awarded was because the referee thought he could, and if he was wrong he'd be told as much.

[The Edge]

But there's some that suspect the only reason a penalty was awarded was because the referee thought he could, and if he was wrong he'd be told as much.

And by doing so he showed the world what a useless referee he is.

[olaftab]

If Souttar had scored VAR would have disallowed the goal due to corner issue.

[Lastfootstamper]

If Souttar had scored VAR would have disallowed the goal due to corner issue.

I'm loathe to use the phrase, "would it bollocks", but I will.

[The Edge]

If Souttar had scored VAR would have disallowed the goal due to corner issue.

I'm loathe to use the phrase, "would it bollocks", but I will.

Absolutely correct. VAR couldn't have got involved as it would be classed as a different phase. A blatantly wrong decision could of resulted in a goal and var could do nothing to correct it. Reason numer 164 why I hate var.

[Baldy]

Had a brainwave or perhaps it is a brain fart. To do with time wasting which happens in a lot of games. Not exactly VAR but it is a breach of the game.

If a referee considers a team is deliberately time wasting, they should give the captain a warning. If it happens again, the captain should get booked regardless of which player in his team is guilty of the crime. If it happens again, red card for the captain.

It would certainly cut out a lot of time wasting!!

Teams will try and manipulate this, change captain per match etc but if so, their intent is even more clear.

In cricket and on occasion, a captain is held responsible for the conduct of his team and appropriate penalties imposed upon the captain. Perhaps it is time a captain becomes more accountable for his team in football.

Just a thought on a quiet Monday.

[astonvilla82]

Had a brainwave or perhaps it is a brain fart. To do with time wasting which happens in a lot of games. Not exactly VAR but it is a breach of the game.

If a referee considers a team is deliberately time wasting, they should give the captain a warning. If it happens again, the captain should get booked regardless of which player in his team is guilty of the crime. If it happens again, red card for the captain.

It would certainly cut out a lot of time wasting!!

Teams will try and manipulate this, change captain per match etc but if so, their intent is even more clear.

In cricket and on occasion, a captain is held responsible for the conduct of his team and appropriate penalties imposed upon the captain. Perhaps it is time a captain becomes more accountable for his team in football.

Just a thought on a quiet Monday.

Good idea, but obviously there must be exceptions, one of them if you play for Aston Villa

[OCD]

Then you just rotate the captaincy.