VAR

[not3bad]

The ref was a bloody joke yesterday. Does he consult with VAR before he ties his shoelaces?

[Comrade Blitz]

I'm still convinced that making a mockery of it is just a way to numb supporters to VAR so that it can be used to make sure the right team doesn't lose in certain matches.

[LukeJames]

3 minutes worth of replays at Goodison Park to try to determine wether there was a handball or not 😴😴😴

[Lastfootstamper]

3 minutes worth of replays at Goodison Park to try to determine wether there was a handball or not 😴😴😴

Was there?

[Damo70]

3 minutes worth of replays at Goodison Park to try to determine wether there was a handball or not 😴😴😴

Was there?

It certainly took a while and in my opinion they still got the decision wrong.

[OCD]

Surely it helped us yesterday as they was barely anything in the Firmino "goal." I'd have given that personally as I generally dislike seeing those sorts of ones called for offside, was same when Spurs had one chalked off at Leicester. We will get one offside like that at some stage in the season.

I think it was Mings and Engels that were either side of Trezeguet. If either of them had got onto the end of the cross and scored, it would have been ruled out.

For me Firmino's was a goal too. It's daft that they go down to the millimetre. There should be some margin of error - there is in cricket when they're working out whether the ball is going on to hit the stumps. I preferred it when they had the rule about daylight.

[Rudy65]

3 minutes worth of replays at Goodison Park to try to determine wether there was a handball or not 😴😴😴

Was there?

It certainly took a while and in my opinion they still got the decision wrong.

Agreed if you’re going to analyse every handball  Why would you have your hands that high up

[Lastfootstamper]

"Daylight" would make no difference to VAR, though. It would just move the point at which you work out whether or not someone's offside by millimetres from in front of them to behind.

They've dug themselves into a hole imo by not sticking to the "clear and obvious error" mantra.

[Ad@m]

Absolutely. They're treating offsides as a binary decision, assuming the technology is millimetre accurate, which it clearly isn't as there's a ref in a room drawing lines!

As mentioned, cricket get this and factor it in. It works so why the fuck have the football authorities decided to ignore what works elsewhere!

[dave.woodhall]

I just don't understand how they can watch technology working so well in both cricket and rugby, where the VAR/TMO talks through his rationale and everyone in the stadium watches it on the screen (in rugby at least) and think it's a better idea to keep everyone in the stadium in football in the dark.

Imagine showing a replay of why our goal against Brighton was disallowed, in a relegation/title decider? Or more accurately, imagine trying to stop the ensuing riot?

Dave, you're normally the first to get pissed off when the authorities treat the fans as animals. And some fans already think the refs are cheating us and don't riot so what's the difference?

Treat us like adults and you never know, people might behave like adults. If fans can't control themselves because they think we've been cheated by a video ref then they should rightfully get banned from attending.

Look at the Taking Kids thread.

[Ad@m]

I just don't understand how they can watch technology working so well in both cricket and rugby, where the VAR/TMO talks through his rationale and everyone in the stadium watches it on the screen (in rugby at least) and think it's a better idea to keep everyone in the stadium in football in the dark.

Imagine showing a replay of why our goal against Brighton was disallowed, in a relegation/title decider? Or more accurately, imagine trying to stop the ensuing riot?

Dave, you're normally the first to get pissed off when the authorities treat the fans as animals. And some fans already think the refs are cheating us and don't riot so what's the difference?

Treat us like adults and you never know, people might behave like adults. If fans can't control themselves because they think we've been cheated by a video ref then they should rightfully get banned from attending.

Look at the Taking Kids thread.

I have, and unless I've missed it there's no mention of anyone rioting because a decision went the wrong way.

[Ads]

Look how we reacted at Palace.

[Ad@m]

'We'?!  A handful of twats you mean? If we want to base policy on the lowest common denominator let's bring fences back.

Like I said before, treat fans like adults and you may be surprised to find they behave like adults.

[mike]

I thought VAR would be good in preventing the obvious mistakes that refs make because they are human and because they aren't always well placed (plus some of them seem to be crap) but it has been an unmitigated disaster. It ruins the game without even getting decisions right. Look at that Watford player that got hacked down twice by a Spurs defender and no penalty given. You could see his boot curled around the players shin. As the author of the Taking Kids thread, I agree with Dave, if a video like that was shown at a full stadium on the last day of the season it would be a riot. Imagine Tyrone had hacked down a Blues player in the 95th minute at The Sty (I know... they're never coming up, its just an example) and no penalty resulted in them being relegated. If I was a steward, I'd take off my High Vis and go home (after kicking Jack, obviously.)

[Ad@m]

But as has been pointed out, a bunch of knobs kicked off at Palace without the video. Why would it be any worse with a video?

But on the plus side, the 99.9% of rational fans would at least understand why the VAR check is taking so long and understand the basis for the ultimate decision.