From the side of the officials I don't think they trust the technology to not undermine them
Quote from: paul_e on September 18, 2019, 01:34:07 PM From the side of the officials I don't think they trust the technology to not undermine themI'm always eager to listen to the reasoned, calm and objective points you make. But in the case above isn't that just another way of saying 'agree with the decision on the pitch whether it's right or wrong'? If referees really do adopt that point of view then THEY are the problem, aren't they? Never accepting that you made a mistake is a fundamentally flawed stance because it is always wrong; humans make mistakes. It becomes terminal for them when we can see the pictures and watch the mistakes for ourselves.
Quote from: AllanW on September 18, 2019, 02:32:18 PMQuote from: paul_e on September 18, 2019, 01:34:07 PM From the side of the officials I don't think they trust the technology to not undermine themI'm always eager to listen to the reasoned, calm and objective points you make. But in the case above isn't that just another way of saying 'agree with the decision on the pitch whether it's right or wrong'? If referees really do adopt that point of view then THEY are the problem, aren't they? Never accepting that you made a mistake is a fundamentally flawed stance because it is always wrong; humans make mistakes. It becomes terminal for them when we can see the pictures and watch the mistakes for ourselves. There's definitely an extent of that which is why the mindset of the officials has to be changed from seeing VAR as competition to seeing it as another tool to get the decision right. Imagine the game where assistant referees weren't a thing until suddenly being introduced to a game with wall-to-wall coverage as we have now. I suspect you'd have had similar issues with the ref trying to show 'who was boss' and ignoring flags or doing their best to make decisions before the assistant could step in.Back to VAR I think that, by making the process more transparent and showing that it ensures correct decisions you'll see referees adapt, especially if it leads to fans being less hostile towards them. I just think the whole concept would work better if everyone understood it better. The arguments on here and more importantly on Social Media, show pretty clearly that the version of VAR that's in place just isn't understood very well.
I just think the whole concept would work better if everyone understood it better.
Which bit of it don't you understand?
Quote from: paul_e on September 18, 2019, 02:52:07 PM I just think the whole concept would work better if everyone understood it better. Well I hate to disagree but I don't think the problem with referees and VAR at the moment is that WE are ignorant; it's that it fails to deliver fewer poor decisions.
And what is the point of VAR if at the end of the game we weren’t given a penalty for handball?
It could probably have been given but I wouldnt call this one a glaring mistake.