Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread

[kippaxvilla2]

Hang on we pay £15m for someone, develop them, and then they get to buy him back for peanuts?  Citeh do my head in.

[Steve67]

The buy back clause could be anything, such as, hands off for at least three seasons.  Let’s get him signed up before we sell him.

[AsTallAsLions]

I would not have thought a buy back clause means citeh can just come in a buy him if he plays well for us.
I would imagine they get the ability to buy him back at an agreed price should villa decide they want to sell, and of course if the player wants to move.

An explanation from another site on how the process works:

"For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.

This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes.  The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed.

No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless."


So Villa have to give City first option and if City want him back they pay the pre-arranged price. The player doesn't get to turn it down.

[Marlon From Bearwood]

Buy back.....they could buy him back and then sell him on for profit, even if they don’t want him, Could they? I guess he will have the final say if he doesn’t want to go back?

Don’t like the sound of that at all.

Yep, City are quite clever with stuff like this. They made a huge profit on Aaron Mooy without him ever playing for them. Bought him from Australia for £1m ish, loaned him to Huddersfield and then sold him for £15m.

[andyh]

So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

[AsTallAsLions]

So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.

[andyh]

So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.

I’m sure the club (us) are now canny enough to make sure we are not going to shafted at some point in the future.
There is no  point us making a mountain out of a theoretical molehill.

[Brend'Watkins]

isn't this just a loan in all but name?

[AsTallAsLions]

So, we only sell him back if we are looking to sell him.
Citeh can’t just buy him back arbitrarily.

I'm murky on that point. Doesn't seem to me as if there'd be a point to the clause unless City could activate it whenever they want. i.e. in what scenario would Man City want a player that Villa didn't want anymore?

Strange one this.

I’m sure the club (us) are now canny enough to make sure we are not going to shafted at some point in the future.
There is no  point us making a mountain out of a theoretical molehill.

Don't think anyone's doing that. People are just seeking clarity on the nature of the deal, which is completely valid. Hopefully it works out either way in Villa's favour.

[Brend'Watkins]

Guillem Balagué seems to rate him so that's good enough for me.

[Breezeblock]

isn't this just a loan in all but name?

I understood it as a "first refusal" arrangement. i.e. we offer him to Citeh at our asking price and they either buy or dont. 

[andyh]

Look at this random tweet that someone put out yesterday, BEFORE the Engles and Luis names appeared.

https://twitter.com/ben79944133/status/1149588757722517505?s=21

[AsTallAsLions]

Look at this random tweet that someone put out yesterday, BEFORE the Engles and Luis names appeared.

https://twitter.com/ben79944133/status/1149588757722517505?s=21

Please god let it be true. Would be a tidy window indeed if we can wrap those up, particularly Heaton and Phillips.

[andyh]

It was posted and then taken down pdq.

[danno]

He'd have to be the absolute dogs to get into that Man City midfield. e.g. Delph only gets games at LB.

The talk of a buyback clause just gives me hope he's good. Honestly if we stay up and then he goes back for exactly the same amount, he's helped make the club £100 million anyway.