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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Newby on May 05, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
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Completely depends what division we are in. I guess they are planning for both and also have FFP to consider if in the Championship. Plenty of players out of contract, Frederic Guilbert already on his way in. Mike Van Der Hoorn and Leroy Fer already linked from Swansea.
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First of all see how many of the loan players we can sign permanently or loan again - I'd have any or all of them no matter which division we're in - Mings, Hause, Tuanzebe, El Ghazi, Tammy.
Then the priorities have to be another striker, a left back and a younger version of Glenn Whelan. If we're in the Championship a creative replacement for Jack as he'll almost certainly be off, if we're in the Premier a sub of the same type so we're not so dependent on him.
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Completely depends what division we are in. I guess they are planning for both and also have FFP to consider if in the Championship. Plenty of players out of contract, Frederic Guilbert already on his way in. Mike Van Der Hoorn and Leroy Fer already linked from Swansea.
Mike VDH re signed new year long contract with swans last week thank god
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well they activated a final year option, I think.
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IF we go up would love Daniel James from Swansea, exactly the sort of player we should be targeting.
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Absolutely dependant on if we go up, but all of the loan guys.
Butland, Reece James, Tierney, Chalobah, Kalvin Phillips, Lolley, Daniel James are the type of player I'd be looking at.
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If we go up, I’d have a look at that left back from Fulham. Then tell the little bastard to enjoy life in The Championship!
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If we go up, I’d have a look at that left back from Fulham. Then tell the little bastard to enjoy life in The Championship!
After putting him through a medical and sitting him at a desk with a contract to sign.
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No point in this thread till we know our fate
Except we should sign Joe Lolley and hause whichever league we're in
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I like Hause but he does seem a bit injury prone. Same with Tuanzebe. I'd be happy loaning either, but not so sure about parting with ten million quid or so.
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Tuanzebe is still raw and has injury troubles, wouldn't be paying any more than £4.5m for him.
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I like Hause but he does seem a bit injury prone. Same with Tuanzebe. I'd be happy loaning either, but not so sure about parting with ten million quid or so.
Wasn't the fee mentioned when he signed about 5m?
Would take a chance on that price, good at left back, still work in progress at CB.
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Surprisingly, Hause looks a better player to me than Axel. Both injury prone though - AT's two seasons with us have both been significantly disrupted by injuries.
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I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
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We will need to sort out the defensive midfield player to play with Jack and SJM, left back and right winger for me.
End of contract; Jedinak, Whelan, Richards, Hutton, Elphick, Bunn, De Laet,
Sell: Lansbury, Bree, Hogan, Kodjia (I'd keep him but I think we will get offers), BB, Taylor.
Likely offers: Grealish, SJM?
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I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?
I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
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El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
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El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.
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I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?
I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
Indeed. For comparison, some folk reckoned we'd get £15m for Chester last summer.
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I think Hause is a £4m buy out, El Ghazi is £5m? If we have it to spend and we are still in this division, I'd do it. Like others, hoping for Joe Lolley, Fer or Carroll as I think Smith will do well with them, Rico Henry if he can stay fit. If we go up, Lolley. The rest are Championship players.
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El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.
Paper reports are they want to get rid
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El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.
Paper reports are they want to get rid
They might want to but I'm sure they'll want to recoup some of the 8 million euros they paid, be it from Villa or another club.
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El Ghazi is available on a free apparently.
Not sure about that, Lille bought him Jan 2017 ( wouldn't of signed a 1.5 year contract ) and there's a clause in his contract to buy.
Paper reports are they want to get rid
They might want to but I'm sure they'll want to recoup some of the 8 million euros they paid, be it from Villa or another club.
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I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?
I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
Hause has an agreed fee and it was reported in January as somewhere around £2-3m.
Then there's talk of El Ghazi being allowed to leave for free - This all comes from a story in l'equipe over in France - if not any agreed fee will be reasonable anyway, £3-4m at a guess.
Mings is more difficult, I suspect the fee we wanted to set in January was around the £3-4m mark but they wanted to keep options open if he did well. He did but his injury record will still be a concern so they'll be lucky to get the £8m they paid back.
So £10-12m if AEG is free going up to £15-16m if not.
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I read at the time that El Ghazi was a loan with an option to buy at around £4 million. If true then his club are hardly likely to come out mid season and claim that he's available on a free, especially as he's a regular in a top Championship side.
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I'd definitely sign Hause, Mings and El Ghazi, probably £10-12m for the lot is a bargain. Tammy would probably be a bit expensive (and may well not be available anyway given the transfer embargo at Chelsea) and whilst I like Tuanzebe I'm not convinced he's fit enough to play regularly at that level.
Other than that I trust Smith to sign the sort of players I'd want (Guilbert looks the part from what I've seen) and I'd hope he doesn't go mental, 3-4 first team players and 2-3 to develop for a few months is about the most we should be going for this summer because signing 10-12 players and trying to almost create a new team just doesn't work.
£10 - £12 miliion for the lot?
I'm pretty sure that alone wouldn't even get Mings.
Hause has an agreed fee and it was reported in January as somewhere around £2-3m.
Then there's talk of El Ghazi being allowed to leave for free - This all comes from a story in l'equipe over in France - if not any agreed fee will be reasonable anyway, £3-4m at a guess.
Mings is more difficult, I suspect the fee we wanted to set in January was around the £3-4m mark but they wanted to keep options open if he did well. He did but his injury record will still be a concern so they'll be lucky to get the £8m they paid back.
So £10-12m if AEG is free going up to £15-16m if not.
The El Gahzi on a free thing I don't get, surely he would of been on say a 3 year deal at Lille which started Jan 17. I think Mings will go back to Bournemouth ( maybe not if we do win the play offs ) but I can't see him going anywhere for less than £12 plus. Ben Gibson went to Burnley for £15, Mepham to Bournemouth for £12...Mings is better than both for me and you're going back to something like 2015 when he had a bad injury. Looks pretty much over any of that playing 2 matches a week for the last 5 months.
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The rumour in January was that we wanted to set a fee of around £4m and they were holding out for more. We then have no real idea what the clause is because it's just termed as a matching option but there's a few things I'd suggest it isn't.
I doubt we'd have added a clause which gives us an option to match whatever anyone else offers, simply because it's pointless, the only way that one becomes of any value is if they have an obligation to inform us of the offers they get but even then given we have an existing relationship with him and his agent we'd get that anyway (assuming he wants to stay).
I therefore suspect that the agreement is that we can have him for a minimum of £xm but if anyone offers more we have to match that value. If that's right I suspect the minimum would be based on where he was in January, that's why I think £6-8m is realistic.
I guess we'll see in a few weeks.
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Given that clubs are looking at Ake for big money, I'd be really surprised if Bournemouth don't decide to keep Mings.
But if we do go up and can sign him for anything like that, it would be incredible business.
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i think Barbet from Brentford is Plan B, if we don't bag the Emperor
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Does seem strange that we have let Green's contract run down. Steer and Elphick will surely have decent offers from other Championship clubs too.
Kodjia, Chester, Hourihane, AA, BB, Davis, Elmo all with only a year left on their contracts. Chester, Hourihane, Elmo and Davis surely worth keeping around if we are in the same division next season.
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Does seem strange that we have let Green's contract run down. Steer and Elphick will surely have decent offers from other Championship clubs too.
Kodjia, Chester, Hourihane, AA, BB, Davis, Elmo all with only a year left on their contracts. Chester, Hourihane, Elmo and Davis surely worth keeping around if we are in the same division next season.
I think it makes sense to wait and see what league we'll be playing in first before we start dishing out contracts and I'm sure that's what they're agents are waiting on to.
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The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
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The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
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The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
I wonder if they feel they can offload Nyland before they offer Steer fresh terms?
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Steer's contract been extended in January till 2020, isn't it?
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The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
Well I hope the days of us dishing out contracts are long gone...it’s part of what’s got us into this financial mess in the first place. Contracts do need to be earned or “deserved” but Dean may think the likes of Conor wouldn’t be good enough in the Premier League. If we’re still in the Championship next season then I’d imagine Steer and Conor would both get contract extensions as they have proved themselves at this level...well for at least half a season in both cases.
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Steer's contract been extended in January till 2020, isn't it?
Yep.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/03/18/goalkeeper-jed-steer-agrees-contract-extension-at-aston-villa/
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The club are taking the right approach with player contracts at the moment as we need to see where we are at the end of the season. Some of the players listed above won't make the cut it in the Premier League, so it makes sense to bide our time for a few weeks and make rational decisions based on which league we'll be playing in and the grey cloud of FFP that is still lingering over us.
Maybe so, though surely Steer has done enough to warrant a 2 year deal for example? Likes of Hourihane surely deserve another year regardless of division too.
I'm pretty sure the club and players agents are waiting on where we will be by the end of the month. No point a player negotiating a championship wage now when he could get a premier league one in 3 weeks time. Also I would like to think we would go in for better too.
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The keeper situation may also depend on who is shipped out in the summer...surely we can't be having Steer, Bunn, Nyland and Kalinic on the books going in to next season?
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
He can fuck off.
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
He can fuck off.
Lol, didn't think that would be a popular choice :D
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off
Pissed up and playing to the crowd would be my take.
He won't be there next season anyway.
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They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.
It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.
Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.
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Steer and Kalinic will be one and two next season.
Steer has done really well and deserves his moment in the sun. I do feel once Kalinic is fit and settled he will take the number 1 jersey.
I've a feeling Maupay and Barbet could come in whatever league we're in. If we get promoted I'd also consider a sneaky bid for Che Adams if we can't get Tammy in on a permanent.
He can fuck off.
Wasn’t he singing sotv at that ‘awards’ evening? He can f**k off
If we ever made an offer for him he would be over here like a shot. I'd be up for making an offer, getting him all the way to the point of signing and then tell him to f*ck off, burning his bridges with Small Heath whilst simultaneously reminding them of their place in the food chain. Just imagine the reaction - it would be absolutely hilarious.
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There is absolutely zero chance of Tammy being here next season regardless of which division we are in. Chelsea have a transfer ban and they will also lose Higuain who is not exactly pulling up trees. This leaves them short of forwards and makes Hudson-Odoi and Abraham as their key first team squad players. So we need to plan without him.
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They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.
I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
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SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.
Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.
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If the shit hits the fan they'll be lucky to get six or seven million. Wouldn't mind Gayle if we stay down. Maybe switch to two up front as think he could work well with Davis.
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They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.
It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.
Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.
You cannot sign a player who is on a widely seen video singing "shit on the villa" Absolutely no way. He can fuck off and fuck of again the utter twat. Some of his compadres would have zero chance of making it big. But he has a chance and should be distancing himself from such classless garbage. There are NO excuses for his behaviour.
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We should make them an offer on deadline day. Bring him in for talks and tell him to go forth and multiply
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this is all a bit tedious to be honest - rather like when we sing shit on the city constantly - although mercifully it hasn't been as prevalent at home games recently. I never think about Birmingham city so I don't really get all the dick waving.
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this is all a bit tedious to be honest - rather like when we sing shit on the city constantly - although mercifully it hasn't been as prevalent at home games recently. I never think about Birmingham city so I don't really get all the dick waving.
We don't sing it that much away either, not constantly anyway.
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They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.
I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
Apparently not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
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SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.
Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.
On the handful of times I've seen him play, Adams looks a real quality player. Strong as a bull, mobile, good technique and can play across the front line. A far better prospect than Gayle who has struggled to make the top division step up on a few occasions.
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A lot of clubs will be interested in signing him
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SHA want 15m for Adams. Likes of Burnley, Palace and Southampton interested.
Dwight Gayle on loan is probably more realistic.
On the handful of times I've seen him play, Adams looks a real quality player. Strong as a bull, mobile, good technique and can play across the front line.
I like him too. Has a Defoe like quality of always getting a shot away and invariably works the keeper. There will be plenty after him.
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They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.
I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
Apparently not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
Chelsea have about 45 players out on loan...FORTY FIVE!!!
Chelsea have a number of high-profile players out on loan that they can call on, including Tammy Abraham (Aston Villa), Michy Batshuayi (Crystal Palace), Alvaro Morata (Atletico Madrid), Victor Moses (Fenerbahce), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund), Kenedy (Newcastle), Tiemoue Bakayoko (AC Milan) and Kurt Zouma (Everton).
They also have dozens of youth players out on loan.
"Every month I have a report on every player on loan; we have about 45," Sarri said.
"There are two or three players who have been out on loan this season who are interesting. I do not want to name names now. But the level they have been playing at must be considered."
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According to the Meaning Evil, we are in the running to sign just about everyone who is likely to be out of contract, or has professed an interest in leaving their club. Typical clickbait shite that is passed off as journalism.
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I was told by a contact today who is close to Burnley's Chairman that Burnley nearly signed Abraham on a permanent deal last summer but pulled out after the fitness test; they reckoned he needed a season in the C'ship to get more match fit ...
... just reporting what I heard.
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According to the Meaning Evil, we are in the running to sign just about everyone who is likely to be out of contract, or has professed an interest in leaving their club. Typical clickbait shite that is passed off as journalism.
The press have no precedent of the type of players Smith will go for when he has a big budget so they're throwing around a list of players he'd have gone for at Brentford, Current Brentford players and young-ish players that might be available. January was the same, not a single paper came up with Guilbert until it was pretty much done.
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They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.
I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
Apparently not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
I stand corrected. Ha ha ha ha ha.
(I still reckon we could get him if we go up)
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
It will be a massive rebuilding job in the summer whatever happens. I was resigned a couple of months ago to not going up, but am now really hoping we do and we get to see just how much financial muscle the owners have.
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
The slight worry there is that's say 35m outlay just to stay at our current level before we even talk about bringing in squad improvements
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They're kind of in an awkward position there, to be fair. If I played for, say, Oxford, and a bunch of baying fans with camera phones asked me to sing "Shit on the Swindon", I would probably do it, for an easy life.
It's the bizarre culture of that club where singing songs obsessing over your much more successful neighbours bestows instant "legend" status on the most mediocre of players that is to blame. The massive bunch of weird obsessed twats.
Regards Adams, I wouldn't mind him if we don't go up, and you could get him for a sensible price, but would expect far better if we are in the Premier League.
As an inveterate romantic leftie, I quite like the idea of us having a Che.
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If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.
I can't see Axel being anywhere else other than Man U next season - They will certainly want a look at him close hand after 2 successful spells here. It's like us letting Carlisle have Callum OHare because we don't want to risk him next season.
Man U have high hopes and expectations for Axel.
I wouldn't say that Mings would be in the bag either. He is contracted to Bournemouth who may well feel that he's worth keeping next season. The deciding factor could be Ming's bonding with both the club and the fans. He appears to be loving his time here which is worth a lot.
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2 successful spells? He played about 4 games for us last season.
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OK:
They will certainly want a look at him close hand after a successful spell here
Happy now?
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Very happy.
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Get promoted and we will sign him permanently. Same for Mings and Hause. Tuanzebe is the only loanee that isn't essentially in the bag already.
I think Axel is more of a cert than Mings, Bournemouth aren't ManU They can't afford to let talent go cheap. Man U probably won't make to[ 4, They are rich no way are they going to risk next season on a center half like Axel they will spend big there.
I can't see Axel being anywhere else other than Man U next season - They will certainly want a look at him close hand after 2 successful spells here. It's like us letting Carlisle have Callum OHare because we don't want to risk him next season.
Man U have high hopes and expectations for Axel.
I wouldn't say that Mings would be in the bag either. He is contracted to Bournemouth who may well feel that he's worth keeping next season. The deciding factor could be Ming's bonding with both the club and the fans. He appears to be loving his time here which is worth a lot.
I suppose it's all about opinions. My guess is and I'm probably wrong. Is that what you say makes sense(not your opinion is wrong) I think is why not look at a good player see if he is good enough. I think that applies to every team outside the top 6, They can't wait. They have to have it now. They let Salah Pogba and De Bruyne go. Chelsea let Lukaku go cheap only for ManU to buy him for £75M later. So my take is Man U will pay £50m for a defender and if Axel does well they will buy him again for £50m later
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I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United. He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side. He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous. Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United. IMO.
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I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United. He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side. He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous. Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United. IMO.
Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.
*wink*
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I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United. He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side. He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous. Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United. IMO.
Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.
*wink*
I totally agree Paulie, but both cost a bit of money and I think that's what they will do again. It will squeeze Axel out of the frame and I'd expect him to not wait around. I reckon United will break the bank for Harry McGuire from Leicester.
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If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).
Not looking such a great defender now😉
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If we go up can we just spend whatever it takes to sign de ligt, he's just superb (I know we don't stand a chance).
Not looking such a great defender now😉
it's all good, might help our chances!
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They'll just get the transfer ban overturned. Like they did last time. He isn't ready for Chelsea yet. They'd probably let us loan him again to see if he has improved since his last Premier League season with Abertawe... if we go up.
I think we will have no chance of re-acquiring him if we lose in the playoffs.
Apparently not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48202945
I stand corrected. Ha ha ha ha ha.
(I still reckon we could get him if we go up)
It was great timing.
I think we will too.
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Wonder if we will give a contract to Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
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nailed on if we don't sign Mings
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Wonder if we will give a contract to Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
Why would we want a player that Brentford didn't want?
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Wonder if we will give a contract to Yoann Barbet, who was released by Brentford.
Why would we want a player that Brentford didn't want?
Brentford have a wage structure and will not break it for any player. It's likely Barbet wanted more than Brentford were prepared to offer. For what it's worth, he's a half-decent player but Villa could (and should) be aiming for a lot better if Mings isn't available.
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I honestly don't think that Axel Tuanzebe will play another game for United. He really isn't good enough for a top 6 Prem side. He's big and quick but he lacks concentration and 'in the box' nous. Good enough for where we are but not good enough to play consistently for Manchester United. IMO.
Although having said that, neither Chris Smalling or Phil Jones are good enough to play consistently for Man United, but do.
*wink*
I totally agree Paulie, but both cost a bit of money and I think that's what they will do again. It will squeeze Axel out of the frame and I'd expect him to not wait around. I reckon United will break the bank for Harry McGuire from Leicester.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Man Utd decide to loan Axel to a PL club next season to see how he copes at the top level before deciding if he’s good enough for their first team.
Hopefully us.
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Here's a list that Dean / Jesus should be looking at closely for next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/may/10/chelsea-on-loan-players-recall-next-season-transfer-ban
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Here's a list that Dean / Jesus should be looking at closely for next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2019/may/10/chelsea-on-loan-players-recall-next-season-transfer-ban
I'd keep an eye on DaSilva, Mount and obviously Tammy from that list with Hudson-Odoi is the only other Chelsea player I'd be looking at.
On actual rumours there was one yesterday linking us to Erkan Eyibil at Mainz. He's only 17 and really highly rated apparently, seems to be based on us having a scout at a game.
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If we're resigned to losing Tammy, Maupay should be forward target #1 whether we go up or not.
Fits Smith's style of play perfectly, great finisher, excellent link-up play (similar to Tammy in that regard), and has already publicly praised Smith in the media just after he left. Feel he'd be happy to join as long as we met Brentford's asking price.
He's the only one from that team other than maybe Sawyers that we should be actively trying to reunite with Smith, IMO.
Adams can do one.
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Tuenzebe is definately good enough for the PL if he can stay fit. Probably not top 6 but someone inbetween a Palace and a Wolves this season and certainly too good for relegation fodder.
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James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
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James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
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If we're resigned to losing Tammy, Maupay should be forward target #1 whether we go up or not.
Fits Smith's style of play perfectly, great finisher, excellent link-up play (similar to Tammy in that regard), and has already publicly praised Smith in the media just after he left. Feel he'd be happy to join as long as we met Brentford's asking price.
He's the only one from that team other than maybe Sawyers that we should be actively trying to reunite with Smith, IMO.
Adams can do one.
Rico Henry might be another.
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can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any
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can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any
I believe El Ghazi and Hause
There's a clause on Mings where we can match any offer - but that sounds meaninless to me.
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can someone tell me which of the loan players we have a buy option on please if any
Hause and El Ghazi as far as I'm aware pal.
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thanks
some good options to think about there
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James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
Team full of right backs, were just a team full of right backs, team full of right backs .........:)
Or , Six Villa right backs there's only six Villa right backs .....
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Seems silly to go for a new right-back when we could probably re-sign Micah on a bargain price of only £40k a week or so.
Surprised we haven't already moved to tie him up on a long-term deal before anyone else pounces.
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Seems silly to go for a new right-back when we could probably re-sign Micah on a bargain price of only £40k a week or so.
Surprised we haven't already moved to tie him up on a long-term deal before anyone else pounces.
We still need a Santa for the Christmas party......or club jester
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His dressing room whimsy is second to none.
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James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
It might not be true of course.
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Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!
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Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!
Transfer window opens in two days time
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James Taverner ( Rangers ) been doing the rounds up north
Another right-back? That'd be good. We've only got Guilbert, Bree, Hutton, AEH, De Laet and Richards on the books at present.
It might not be true of course.
That was my general point. It's unlikely Dean would want to expand the collection.
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Can’t be doing with this thread. They’ll be a Xmas thread next. Can’t we get through the play offs first!
Transfer window opens in two days time
I know, it’s the tension getting to me. Can’t/won’t think about anything else.
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Players whose contracts expire at the end of the season (from TransferMarkt)
Tammy Abraham L
Anwar El Ghazi L
Axel Tuanzebe L
Tyrone Mings L
Mile Jedinak
Tommy Elphick
Alan Hutton
Glenn Whelan
Kortney Hause L
Andre Green
Micah Richards
Jed Steer
Mark Bunn
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Priority has to be snapping up Micah before someone else does.
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Players whose contracts expire at the end of the season (from TransferMarkt)
Tammy Abraham L
Anwar El Ghazi L
Axel Tuanzebe L
Tyrone Mings L
Mile Jedinak
Tommy Elphick
Alan Hutton
Glenn Whelan
Kortney Hause L
Andre Green
Micah Richards
Jed Steer
Mark Bunn
I's play
Steer
Hutton Mings Tuanzebe Elphick Hause
Green Whelan Jedinak
El Ghazi
Abraham
So no, Richards and Bunn still wouldn't get a game.
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Steer and Green shouldn't be on that list, both are contracted for another year.
All the other non-loans can go, only Whelan gets near the starting line-up and he's too old to get a new deal.
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Steer and Green shouldn't be on that list, both are contracted for another year.
All the other non-loans can go, only Whelan gets near the starting line-up and he's too old to get a new deal.
If we don't go up, then Whelan might be worth another year as a squad player. We definitely need to bring in a defensive midfielder whatever happens, but Whelan would be OK filling in here and there for a season.
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Edited to include U23 and Academy players out of contract at end of season.
Tammy Abraham L
Anwar El Ghazi L
Axel Tuanzebe L
Tyrone Mings L
Mile Jedinak
Tommy Elphick
Alan Hutton
Glenn Whelan
Kortney Hause L
Andre Green
Micah Richards
Jed Steer
Mark Bunn
Ben Guy
Callum Rowe
Charlie Farr
Charlie McConnachie
Colin Odutayo
Dimitri Sea
Easah Suliman
Ethan Patterson
Indiana Vassilev
Isiah Bazeley-Graham
Jack Clarke
Luke Ige
Mungo Bridge
Ritchie De Laet
Sam Lomax
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Please don't let Indiana Vassilev go 😢
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Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
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Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
Get in!
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Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
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Trump that!!
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Mungo Bridge signed a contract a couple of months ago.
I have thought they'd have waited till the Summertime ...
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My Priority has to be snapping Micah before someone else does.
I have fixed that for you matey.
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Mings, Abraham, Hause on permanent.
Tierney from Celtic.
I will think about who else I'd like to see us sign.
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Bale.
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Mings is fucking brilliant, a proper leader and a great player.
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Mings, Abraham, Hause on permanent.
Tierney from Celtic.
I will think about who else I'd like to see us sign.
Tierney is a great shout.
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And the others too.
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Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
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Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
Tammy needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the premier league. He would get owned by the likes of Van Dyke,Maguire, Tarkowski and the rest.
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we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.
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we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.
I believe a full scale rebuild would destroy the team togetherness - if we are patient (stop laughing at the back) - gradual quality replacements would be my preference.
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but we have to when you consider how many are out of contract and how many are not good enough. To me it's inescapable that major squad work is needed.
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but we have to when you consider how many are out of contract and how many are not good enough. To me it's inescapable that major squad work is needed.
Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.
Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.
GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
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we are going to need one hell of a rebuild if we go up, and if we don't, but that's for another day.
didn't do much good for fulham...
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Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.
Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.
GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Albert, Kodija, Hogan - really??!
Abraham - whose PL credentials I'd question - will probably go back to Chelsea.
AEH is probably not good enough and will probably go to his pappa at Sheff Wed.
If we go up, we're into a major rebuild; it has to happen early in the summer and be based on team/squad-building rather than bringing a few random players in.
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Doing everything in one go will lead to the same result as Fulham. It needs to be a gradual build with the ones not up to it being eased first out of the first team picture and then in time out of the club.
Keep the five loanees (I know, big ask but at least I think El Ghazi and Hause will stay). We already have a new RB coming in. Buy a new, younger version of Whelan, a left-back. a winger and a substitute for Grealish. That's enough for this summer.
GK - Steer, Kalinic, Nyland
RB - Guilbert, AEH, Bree
LB - New Signing, Taylor
CB - Mings, Hause, Chester, Tuanzebe
CM - McGinn, Hourihane, New Signing, Lansbury, Bjarnesson
AM- Grealish, New Signing, O'Hare
RLW - El Ghazi, New Signing, Albert, Green
CF - Abraham, Davis, Kodija, Hogan, RHM
Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Albert, Kodija, Hogan - really??!
Abraham - whose PL credentials I'd question - will probably go back to Chelsea.
AEH is probably not good enough and will probably go to his pappa at Sheff Wed.
If we go up, we're into a major rebuild; it has to happen early in the summer and be based on team/squad-building rather than bringing a few random players in.
It's not Football Manager. We aren't automatically going to be able to sell every single player that the fans would like to. We're going to shed a lot of dead weight already through contracts being up.
Neither are we likely to bring in 15-20 players. The likes of Taylor, Albert, AEH, Kodija, Green etc should go from being first team players to back-ups. We need to be bringing in a few good quality first team players not bit-part signings who might make the bench.
If you'd question Tammy's PL credentials, I'd question why you think Chelsea, a club in European competition, are going to want him back.
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Bournemouth spent 13m on Bristol city LB today . My Contacts at the club suggest talks with villa re mings are ongoing but this signing should make it more likely than yesterday
Leroy fer captain of SWANSEA released today , wonder if we’ll go back in for him in the summer ?
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Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.
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Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.
This post needs some work.
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Can't see us going back for Fer unless we go up. Would be good if we don't though.
This post needs some work.
Not sure what happened there!! I meant to say, it would be good if we don't have to (go back in for Fer, as we go up!). Silly old bugger (me, that is).
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Not so sure about Abrahams, good in this division but i have doubts he's good enough for the Prem.
Tammy needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the premier league. He would get owned by the likes of Van Dyke,Maguire, Tarkowski and the rest.
I thought exactly that too.A bit like Zaha has muscled up and seems to have improved as a result of it
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What would people think to Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham? Already proved he's too good for the Championship and now he's had a taste of PL football he might be looking to get out. And he's only 19
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What would people think to Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham? Already proved he's too good for the Championship and now he's had a taste of PL football he might be looking to get out. And he's only 19
Bigger fish are looking at him apparently.
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There's no such thing.
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Regarding Sessignon, a yes from me. He’s a very good player and has pace.
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He wants to move to Spurs.
That's the problem with not being in the prem for a year. Let's say we'd gone up last year, had the takeover happen and then established ourselves, we'd now be in a good position to attract likes of Sess and Daniel James and build a young team like we did in 2007.
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If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.
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Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.
So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).
If we're up this summer we should now have the people in place in the recruitment side to identify some of these young players in europe who are playing to good standard already.
There's a young Nigeria right winger at Villareal called Samuel Chukwueze who I watched v Real Madrid and Barca and he was brilliant in both games. Sort of player I'd like us to target and sign before one of the top 6 notices him, would be perfect for the prem with his direct play.
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If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.
I doubt we'd still have Bruce but agree about Xia and Sessegnon.
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I've not heard of the player SHQ but it's certainly a troublesome position for us with Albert and Green unable to make much of a difference.
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He wants to move to Spurs.
That's the problem with not being in the prem for a year. Let's say we'd gone up last year, had the takeover happen and then established ourselves, we'd now be in a good position to attract likes of Sess and Daniel James and build a young team like we did in 2007.
There will always be young players around. I think these owners want to focus on young players and Smith's style of play will mean he will want to keep the average age down.
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Think we need to see how next Monday pans out before we can start discussing potential targets. Think there will be a stark difference in the type of players we are after depending on the result.
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Absolutely, this thread is irrelevant right now. May as well lock it till Tuesday morning.
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If we'd gone up last season we'd still have Bruce and Xia and Sessegnon would still prefer to go to Spurs.
And we'd probably be looking at life back in the Championship now.
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I would agree we must wait until we find out what league we are in before buying players because whatever league we are in will decide what type of player we go for.
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While I agree, the players will be different, the positions will be largely similar. Whatever happens we need 2 much more pacey wide forward options, a younger, more athletic holding midfield player that can play a bit, a left back and a player who can either come in for Jack or be sub for Jack when needed.
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Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.
So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).
I agree completely, but it's not even just the buy British policy, it's the lack of a transfer strategy beyond what MON and his assistants cooked up. I was looking at Jagielka and Baines at Everton, who both arrived in the same summer 12 years ago, aged in early 20s. Both have gone on to play 300-odd games, and earn 30-odd England caps. Compare and contrast against what we were bringing in at the same time.
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El Gazhi has said that at least one PL club is interested in signing him - I thought we had a definite option to buy at the end of his loan agreement?
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Andy van der Meyde branded former club Everton 's***' as he urged Aston Villa star Anwar El Ghazi not to join them.
El Ghazi, who is on a season-long at Villa from Lille, revealed that a number of clubs are interested in signing him this summer.
The Villa winger claimed one of the clubs pursuing him is in the Premier League, but would not reveal which team it was.
Van der Meyde, who was present in the Voetbal Primeur studio as El Ghazi made the admission, advised him to stay well away from Everton.
The Dutchman, who spent four seasons at Everton between 2005-2009, said to El Ghazi, who was speaking to VTBL via facetime: 'Don't do it. What a s*** club. Don't do it! There you go broke. Just look at me.'
Van der Meyde moved to Merseyside after spending two seasons at Inter Milan, but failed to live up to expectations, eventually returning to his homeland with PSV.
He failed to score a single goal for the club and made just 24 appearances for the Toffees in all competitions during his time at Goodison Park.
El Ghazi, meanwhile, is this week preparing for Villa's play-off final against Derby on Monday.
The former Ajax winger has enjoyed a decent end to the season and could find himself in the Premier League with Villa next season with the club reportedly interested in making his move permanent.
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Top 10 Champs players, according to the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/may/20/ten-championship-players-premier-league-clubs-have-on-radar-football
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Top 10 Champs players, according to the Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/may/20/ten-championship-players-premier-league-clubs-have-on-radar-football
No John McGinn, but 3 Brentford players. Slightly odd.
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While I agree, the players will be different, the positions will be largely similar. Whatever happens we need 2 much more pacey wide forward options, a younger, more athletic holding midfield player that can play a bit, a left back and a player who can either come in for Jack or be sub for Jack when needed.
Not sure how we will go with the wide options to be honest Jim. We could look for players who like to tuck in a bit more and leave space outside for full-backs to bomb on. I have not seen the French lad play, but we will definitely need a better option going forward at LB if we are going to play that way.
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I’ll be annoyed if El Ghazi leaves at the end of the season.
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I'd be disappointed but not annoyed.
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Yeah perhaps frustrated would be a better word. Although if we go up I hope it’ll be a non issue.
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I’ll be annoyed if El Ghazi leaves at the end of the season.
Slightly different type of player but I wonder if Jo Lolley would be a better option? Entirely depends on where we are I guess. Definitely need a holding midfielder, left back and right winger, regardless of which division we are in.
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Probably not the right thread for this but anyway....when you see Man. City signed Vincent Kompany for 8m in summer 2008 (last few weeks before they got the oil money) it shows the limited approach of MON's buy British policy.
So many hidden gems we could've signed and developed (Falcao and Cavani were young 20 year old strikers we were linked to in that time aswell).
If we're up this summer we should now have the people in place in the recruitment side to identify some of these young players in europe who are playing to good standard already.
There's a young Nigeria right winger at Villareal called Samuel Chukwueze who I watched v Real Madrid and Barca and he was brilliant in both games. Sort of player I'd like us to target and sign before one of the top 6 notices him, would be perfect for the prem with his direct play.
afraid some very big fish are already sniffing around him
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Andy van der Meyde branded former club Everton 's***' as he urged Aston Villa star Anwar El Ghazi not to join them.
El Ghazi, who is on a season-long at Villa from Lille, revealed that a number of clubs are interested in signing him this summer.
The Villa winger claimed one of the clubs pursuing him is in the Premier League, but would not reveal which team it was.
Van der Meyde, who was present in the Voetbal Primeur studio as El Ghazi made the admission, advised him to stay well away from Everton.
The Dutchman, who spent four seasons at Everton between 2005-2009, said to El Ghazi, who was speaking to VTBL via facetime: 'Don't do it. What a s*** club. Don't do it! There you go broke. Just look at me.'
Van der Meyde moved to Merseyside after spending two seasons at Inter Milan, but failed to live up to expectations, eventually returning to his homeland with PSV.
He failed to score a single goal for the club and made just 24 appearances for the Toffees in all competitions during his time at Goodison Park.
El Ghazi, meanwhile, is this week preparing for Villa's play-off final against Derby on Monday.
The former Ajax winger has enjoyed a decent end to the season and could find himself in the Premier League with Villa next season with the club reportedly interested in making his move permanent.
I can only imagine the opinion Everton have of Andy Van Der Fat Fucker. lol. Absolute waster. Love it when lazy bastards go to a club and then blame said club for ruining their career. I'd imagine in a couple of years Ross McCormack will be making similarly warnings about us.
All that being said. I hope we sign El Ghazi on a permanent in the summer. I look at the top flight and what we have. If we manage to get Abraham on a permanent and Mings plus Hause (I think Tuanzebe will stay at Utd) then another 5-6 players would give us a good stab at finishing solidly. Below the top 6, honestly it's all much of a muchness. I don't want us to just fire out cash willy nilly and sign too many players. That doesn't work. You need a bit of consistency and a bit of carry over from the team that took you up.
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He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
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He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.
I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.
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Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.
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He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.
I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.
I can't see him leaving just yet.
He certainly won't leave if we go up
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He's been offered to clubs throughout Europe apparently - and in other news Terry to Middlesboro as manager doing the rounds.
Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.
I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience, given he's really the only one with it.
Maybe we should give Micah another contract for his PL experience. ;D
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Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.
I think this lad is gonna be a big star, could be a steal, or could be bullshit.
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Clickbait links to the Luton lad, Justin James, or James Justin, whatever. £7.5m, seems a steep cost.
Was close to joining in Jan so can see truth in this
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Every man and his dog sniffing around.
£7.5m for talented English players is good value alas.
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Every man and his dog sniffing around.
£7.5m for talented English players is good value alas.
I presume a left back?
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All links are guesswork until we know what division we're playing in next season.
If we were to win next week then I would be very surprised if we paid £7.5 million for a kid with potential from League 1. I suspect that we'll be trying to bring in a couple who have proved themselves in the PL.
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Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.
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Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.
Who was his agent, was it his brother?
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Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.
Who was his agent, was it his brother?
Wasn’t it just some mate of his? Thanks for the memories which also unfortunately includes him trying to get out of here to Spurs after one season. I don’t have much or any sympathy for him in how his career has panned out.
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James Justin, where did the figure of £7.5 million come from??
Valued on transfermarkt at £23K. And valued at £5 million in other clickbait reports.
Also saw via AVFCnewsnow, that El Ghazi will cost us over £5 million, when 3 weeks ago several reports stated that Lille were going to let him go at the end of the season, as his contract ends, so would effectively cost us nowt.
I tend to look at the clickbait as just that, and will believe any new signings, when they are announced on the club website.
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Looks like Luton have accepted our bid along with others
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Benteke closing in on a move to China - what a waste.
Who was his agent, was it his brother?
Wasn’t it just some mate of his? Thanks for the memories which also unfortunately includes him trying to get out of here to Spurs after one season. I don’t have much or any sympathy for him in how his career has panned out.
100% this.
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Looks like Luton have accepted our bid along with others
I hope we get him, can play both flanks and would also annoy a few of my Luton supporting mates.
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I am deeply uncomfortable with giving Luton any money. In fact, I am uncomfortable giving them even the tshirt I puked on after over celebrating turning Olbiyun over.
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Benteke on loan with an option to buy would suit all parties. Tammmy will be over valued in my opinion and too big a risk for the likely £30m (or whatever).
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No doubt Benteke would be a more affordable option but still seems a big risk to me given how poor he has been since leaving us. Dean would have to work a miracle to get him back to his best.
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On loan with a view to buy might be a better option for Benteke. 'Coming home' might do him the world of good. Anyway, let's get there first eh?
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Why would we want a striker who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.
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Why would we want a player who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.
Why would we want to sign a player with knackered knees like McGrath?
Why would we want to sign a player who'd played 17 games in 4 years like Mings?
Because they had ability if coached and supported in the right way. If Smith felt he could get a tune out of Benteke, I'd be all for it.
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Why would we want a player who's scored 4 goals in the last two seasons? Might as well sign Andy Carroll while we're at it.
Why would we want to sign a player with knackered knees like McGrath?
Why would we want to sign a player who'd played 17 games in 4 years like Mings?
Because they had ability if coached and supported in the right way. If Smith felt he could get a tune out of Benteke, I'd be all for it.
The comparisons ring false - McGrath and Mings are both centre-halves, the former's issues were fitness/injury related rather than being anything to do with quality, and those issues persisted with us so technically nothing changed. He was also a one in a million player. Mings is still relatively young for a centre-half and was simply behind the pecking order with the likes of Aké doing well at Bournemouth. He wasn't dropped for being shite like Benteke was.
I don't buy the nature of the argument with regard to a striker who's dried up for many years now. We had his best years and he's only getting slower now. Avoid.
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Don’t know if this article is bullshit or not, but states that Benteke is on £130k per week so it’s safe to assume that Palace would rather sell than loan. His wages would be a stumbling block for most clubs unless he takes a significant cut:
https://www.90min.com/posts/6374875-christian-benteke-refuses-to-leave-duo-set-for-exit-sorloth-future-uncertain-palace-news-roundup
There are better and cheaper options out there. Avoid.
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Don’t know if this article is bullshit or not, but states that Benteke is on £130k per week so it’s safe to assume that Palace would rather sell than loan. His wages would be a stumbling block for most clubs unless he takes a significant cut:
https://www.90min.com/posts/6374875-christian-benteke-refuses-to-leave-duo-set-for-exit-sorloth-future-uncertain-palace-news-roundup
There are better and cheaper options out there. Avoid.
Totally agree. £500 a week and I'll sign on the dotted line.
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Tammy would be a good signing at £30m for us if we go up. Even if he's only an average PL striker, that'd be fine for us for the next 3 years. He's only 21 and you'd not lose any money on it.
I personally think his ceiling is a lot higher than that, I think if he fills out and finishes a little more consistently he could be Champions League level. He's been playing upfront, alone in a 46 game season all year with the likes of Green, Adomah, Bolasie around him. He's gone for periods without Jack too and he still scores almost every game. Even without penalties it's 1 in 2.
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Benteke is gone. He's not the same player any more. He's the young, fearless juggernaut of a player we signed and saw mature into what should have been one of the top players in Europe. That fire has been extinguished through his own greed, his poor decisions, poor form and a number of injuries. Putting him back in a Villa kit doesn't magically fix that. We need to sign stars of the future and not make expensive mistakes on players with limited current value or little future return.
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He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.
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I wouldn’t touch Benteke with a barge pole, he’s not the same player. He should be looked at as an example of players receiving terrible advice from agents and going for money instead of what’s best for their career.
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Would rather get Batshuyai on loan from Chelsea if he's unwanted there.
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Whilst I'm reluctant to write a player off having seen players look re-galvanised under the right manager, I think we're looking more at younger players who can play at a high tempo and potentially have a good sell-on value.
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He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.
Loaning the 4th choice CF from Crystal Palace is a good deal for us? Get out of town.
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Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.
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Lads, lads.
It's Christian Benteke, ffs.
This whole magnificent rebirth will not be complete until he's smashing the fuck out of our opponents on our way back to European domination.
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He's only 28, he's not dead. A loan deal in which Palace pay some of his wages would be a good one for us. Obviously you wouldn't want him to be the only option so sign Abraham and some smaller bloke who can play off the forward, basically a better and faster version of Weimann, too.
Loaning the 4th choice CF from Crystal Palace is a good deal for us? Get out of town.
Or, put a less hysterical way, not taking a chance on our best striker this century, still aged only 28, in a fairly risk-free, cut price deal. Why not? If he's shite, we've lost nothing. If he's great.. . we've got Benteke back.
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Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.
That's because he left his heart in Aston. How could anyone be expected to give their all for no-marks like Liverpool or Crystal fucking Palace when you've played for Aston Villa?
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Benteke has no heart. Once a goal scoring machine but sadly he’s just a robot now.
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It’s a no from me. If he can’t command a regular place at Palace then why should we snap him up? His best days are behind him and thankfully they were in a Villa shirt. I can see him chasing a lucrative contract in China.
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It’s a no from me. If he can’t command a regular place at Palace then why should we snap him up? His best days are behind him and thankfully they were in a Villa shirt. I can see him chasing a lucrative contract in China.
Exactly -We should be looking at the first 2 choices at Palace, not the 4th choice. There's no room for sentiment here. Benteke ought not to make our squad of 18 if we go up - There is absolutely no point taking a "punt" on him just because he was good for us a few years ago - If we were to take a punt on anyone because of that reasoning, I'd have Delph back in a whisper.
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He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.
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And in any case let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We are still a Championship club.
Deep breaths...reaches for paper bag.
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I don't see him as a DS player so don't see us going for him anyway.
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He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.
Sorry Rain Man
He's shit - Is that any better for you?
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Calling him Rain Man because he doesn't get confused when counting beyond one is a bit of a reach.
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Calling him Rain Man because he doesn't get confused when counting beyond one is a bit of a reach.
Not really - He is unbelievably pedantic and trivial beyond recognition. Plus Benteke is 4th choice - Hence 3 others being ahead of him.
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No, Zaha is leaving and doesn't play in his position anyway. The Chelsea player whose name I can't be arsed to spell doesn't play for them anymore. So he's second choice behind Wickham.
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No, Zaha is leaving and doesn't play in his position anyway. The Chelsea player whose name I can't be arsed to spell doesn't play for them anymore. So he's second choice behind Wickham.
Well in that case, we've no chance of getting him anyway then have we/
So your silly suggestion is a non-starter.
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Well, bearing in mind they're considering an offer from China, yes we do. Now calm down, petal.
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Oh right - An offer from China or a loan deal and we pay some of his wages?
Hmmmm I wonder which one Palace would consider?
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It doesn't really matter what Palace want if he doesn't want to go there. If they find someone willing to pay a fee and all of his wages, and Benteke wants to go, then he will go. I don't think Villa should be offering on those terms.
If he doesn't go for a fee, Palace would probably rather get at least some of his wages off the books and may be willing to loan him and pay some of his salary.
In those circumstances, it wouldn't be much of a gamble. Might as well try to see if he's like he used to be once he puts on a Villa shirt. If he isn't, he goes back to Palace at the end of his loan. Not the end of the world.
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Bless :o
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Your most coherent post yet, well done.
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He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.
Sorry Rain Man
He's shit - Is that any better for you?
If you weren't wrong so often I wouldn't have to keep correcting you.
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He's not 4th choice, he's ahead of Ayew and Wickham and they don't play Zaha as a proper CF. I probably wouldn't have him back but describing him as 4th choice CF is simply wrong.
Sorry Rain Man
He's shit - Is that any better for you?
If you weren't wrong so often I wouldn't have to keep correcting you.
Only me?
You stalk me for some bizarre reason best known to yourself, ever since I went out of my way to try to answer a question you posted about loan deals.
You can split hairs on whether Tuanzebe had one good season or two and you can split hairs whether Benteke is 3rd or 4th choice does it really matter or are you just diving in to create conflict?
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I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.
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You can prove anything with facts.
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There is no parking in the red zone.
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I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.
You don't know the correct answer though - You split hairs over the most trivial, pedantic of things that has no bearing on the overall discussion. And to me only. Have you "corrected" anyone else in the past 3 months?
I really don't know what's wrong with you or where your obsession stems from but you will be ignored from now on.
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All this bickering. Anyone would think there's no football on.
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There is no parking in the white zone.
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You want some?
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I like how in your world knowing the correct answer seems to be a bad thing. And by stalking you, you mean 3 times in 4 months.
You don't know the correct answer though - You split hairs over the most trivial, pedantic of things that has no bearing on the overall discussion. And to me only. Have you "corrected" anyone else in the past 3 months?
I really don't know what's wrong with you or where your obsession stems from but you will be ignored from now on.
Awww bless. Do you need a hug?
P.s. 4 months not 3.
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Benteke has no heart or desire. No thanks.
This.
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Why would I need a hug? I wouldn't waste my breath on someone you in the real world.
Now you're a mod on here - Grow up & set an example, there's a good lad.
Yeah great 4 months. Bye.
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Bye, it's been emotional.
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Ziggy says there's an 80 per cent chance Benteke will join us on loan in January if we're struggling back in the topflight.
He also said Brassneck should smoke every weed in the Blue Peter garden and chill out for a bit, so I wouldn't take that to the bank.
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Fuck me! What happened to the transfer (speculation) thread?
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Fuck me! What happened to the transfer (speculation) thread?
This lol, It needs changing by the mods to transfer bitchfest spat
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So... any news on that Luton bloke?
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So... any news on that Luton bloke?
Only seen him once, mates say he is a good player
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Well, let's hope it works out as well as the last midfielder we beat Celtic to...!
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Sweet.
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Will keep an eye on Joe Aribo in the final today and advise Dean accordingly😂
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Sweet.
I got it. We’re linked with allsorts these days aren’t we?
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
Quite a few of the Charlton lads are big hefty sorts, Aribo being one of them. I think he plays more on the right but wonder whether he'd be useful if he switched to the centre. Will watch him today, I expect them to beat Sunderland.
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Kids and grown ups love him so?
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Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up. Must be true then if it's the Mail!!
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Bye, it's been emotional.
He did well to button it for 4 months.
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Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up. Must be true then if it's the Mail!!
It’s come from Alan Nixon on Twitter.
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Anyway, back to transfer speculation, according to The Meaning Evil we're set to beat Celtic and Rangers to the signing of Charlton midfielder Joe Aribo.
He has looked good infirst half today. Just said to my lad we should go for him if we lose tomorrow
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Kent, Aribo and the lad from Luton are all decent young players. If that is the way our transfers are headed then would not be upset. They wont all come off, but the ones that don't can be moved on (so long as contracts are no too big) and the ones that do will have a big increase in value if we end up selling.
We will still need some experienced signings as well though, but please no more last paychequeue slackers.
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Bye, it's been emotional.
He did well to button it for 4 months.
I felt a bit sorry for him - He doesn't appear to have a life away from the internet as he's on here 24/7. I thought I'd cut the poor bloke some slack and allow him to continue his "emotional" ride. It clearly means a lot to him.
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"you'll be ignored from now on" and yet still going on about it the next day. That you keep insulting someone because they know more than you do is a tad weird.
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What an extraordinary person.
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Liverpool's Ryan Kent also being linked. £10mill move, Mail saying even if we don't go up. Must be true then if it's the Mail!!
If we're putting this out there - even if it doesn't actually come off- it's a smart move.
Rather than the win-or-bust (quite literally in our case) narrative that started up just before last year's final, with Bruce paying for the Wembley suits and the first whispers of the unpaid tax bill. That weighed heavy on the shoulders of our lot, and we know the rest.
Losing tomorrow will be an absolute pisser, there is no doubt about it. But we should be in a better position to come back and mount a serious challenge next year whatever happens.
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If we lose tomorrow, we go up as Champions next season. Already linked with Aribo, James and Kent. Good players.
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If we lose tomorrow, we go up as Champions next season. Already linked with Aribo, James and Kent. Good players.
Possibly - Although who would have bet their house on Norwich &Sheff U finishing top 2 this season? The league is unforgiving and conjures up no end of twists and turns. There is talk of PSG owners investing in Leeds. If this transpires to be true, they will be one hell of a force next season. Fulham's owner is quite ambitious as well. The longer we stay down, the more difficult it seems to become to get out.
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I might be missing something but I saw nothing at all in Aribo that suggested he will be the kind of player we would be after. Tall and clumsy.
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When £10m is buying youth players that have been on loan at lower league clubs (and Scotland) I would think its time to invest in the academy and the club’s infrastructure.
The money Chelsea, Liverpool and I’d imagine City are projected to make from selling reserves is insane sums.
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Aribo has a super power.
Yesterday he wore the cloak of invisibility for most of the game
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I suggest the likes of Aribo and James may not get done now!! Priority is Tyrone Mings.
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This thread has taken on a whole new meaning
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Interesting to see Purslow say that we’re a year ahead of schedule.
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Bid for Benteke? 😉
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Nassef said they are highly ambitious and don't want to simply exist. This will be an interesting summer. Would like Hause and Mings, El Ghazi worth a squad place, but not so sure on Tammy or Axel. Lots for Dean and Jesus to do.
Need a quality left back and an even better, solid central midfielder.
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Axel was fucking exceptional today. Anwar and Mings are musts.
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left back - midfield general - right winger - should do as a starting point while still keeping the team spirit alive
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LB, Defensive Mid, Right Mid and Striker for me as priorities.
Have loved cheering Tammy on this season, but question mark is still out if he can make it in the Prem. Didn’t exactly set the world alight for Swansea, but not sure how much that was down to the team he was playing with?
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Smith just been quoted that he and Pitarch will see our of contract players Wednesday and relevant loanee clubs will be contacted.
Harsh though it may seem on some, to improve, by nature of today’s selection , four or five of starting 11 from today become bench players and are replaced with better. Those 4 or 5 replace some of today’s bench players , and half a dozen of squad players will be moved on.
The names though ?
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I think we need to be looking to get all the loanees permanently plus upgrades on Adomah, Green and Whelan (one of the wingers able to play either side), a new left back and an alternative for Grealish. So that's 10 signings, 5 of which would be new to the squad. Should be looking to offload Richards, Hutton, Bunn, Whelan, Elphick, Kodjia and one out of Adomah and Green, with a big thank you to all except Richards.
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Id love to sign axel not sure on Tammy . Ok to keep us up for a season maybe but hes not a top half striker.
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I think we need to be looking to get all the loanees permanently plus upgrades on Adomah, Green and Whelan (one of the wingers able to play either side), a new left back and an alternative for Grealish.
Depends on the prices. I don't think Hause has done enough to convince. And as well as they've done for us this season, I doubt whether AEG and Tammy will be anywhere near as effective in the Premier League.
Mings is the one I'd move heaven and earth to keep. Axel would be nice but from what I gather Man Utd fans want him back.
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This thread has taken on a whole new meaning
Exactly. Time to reset expectations - anything less than Messi bought in as back up to Grealish, Van Dijk as back up to Ming's and De Gea as back up to Steer and I'll be disappointed!
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Amazing how attractive we've become these past four hours.
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What about going after that left back from Fulham? Joe Bryan I think 😉
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What about going after that left back from Fulham? Joe Bryan I think 😉
We'll be looking for better than bit part second division players.
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Don’t forget we don’t need a new RB https://youtu.be/oPTLrWluRQg looks like he will do fine
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Tierney from Celtic. Let's get him.
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Tierney from Celtic. Let's get him.
A great shout. Would be a top signing.
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When’s Chelsea’s appeal against their transfer ban ?
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1x left back.
Forgot we've got a right back on the way.
Mings, Hause and one more (hopefully Axel).
A holding mid.
I can't see it happening but I'd consider Whelo for a one year deal to have in reserve.
2 wingers (El Ghazi and another. Albert will go I think).
Tammy (I'd probably keep Kodjia if we can. He's good on his day and that unpredictability may prove useful).
I would worry about buying too many. That isn't always the best way to go. So for me, getting 4-5 of our loanees on permanents boosts the squad and eases transition. 5 more on top to improve the starting lineup and we're golden I think.
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I think we’ll struggle to get Tammy and Tuanzebe. Smith’s only had one window so he’s onky just starting to imprint his style so I think a big change is inevitable.
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Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.
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Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.
Presumably the same applies to Tishibola & Gary "Bluenose" Gardner? It is the price we were always going to have to pay for promotion.
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Spare a thought for Ross McCormack today who is apparently in line for a pay increase due to our promotion.
Why do bad things happen to good people?
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Micah probably does as well. As galling as it is that they get a bonus, i'm fucking glad that they are.
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Micah probably does as well. As galling as it is that they get a bonus, i'm fucking glad that they are.
I would have thought that any contract changes come in on July 1st, so he misses out, please God!! Would be so undeserving, just like Toss McCormack.
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As he is contracted to us the season we won promotion it's likely he'll get a bonus as well.
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Abraham has been anonymous in the 3 big play off games in truth. He is a bit of a flat track bully in the championship and won't do enough for the team in the premier league to justify 30 million IMO. We will though need 2 strikers that are capable in the top division. Lets hope the scouting department have found them!
Mings and Tuanzebe should be first 2 in, but United won't let Axel go I don't think. Centre back that would leave us with Mings, Hause and Chester. We need one more right sided one that can play the ball. Axel was brilliant today, and will be a big miss, the lad is top drawer.
Left back is a must! Need a starting left back.
Right back - Hutton will go, Elmo will probably stay for a year but be a bit part. Gilbert will be likely start. Bree will almost certainly be sold. That Justin lad from Luton looks well worth it for a utility full back.
Holding midfield - IMO we need 2 here - athletic and technically capable. Keep Whelan as a squad player too. Let Jedinak go.
Attacking mid - Desperate for a Jack alternative - need to shift Lansbury.
Wingers - El Ghazi should be signed. We then need 2 wide options with pace. Green should be found a championship club that will start him every week for a loan. Adomah should be given a fond goodbye.
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Agree with most of that.
The only things I would differ on are I would pay the money for Tammy. He's 21, has a career record of 53 goals in 111 games already and will only get better. Secondly, I think we will get Axel back on loan. United will be under pressure to make big name signings, regardless of what the fans want.
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Gary Cahill on a free? A good squad addition I feel.
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Neal Maupay? Smith knows his game. A good choice if we don't get Tammy?
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this might sound heretical, but I have a few doubts about Tammy - he hasn't looked really effective for a whilebut of course, that might be down to not fully recovering yet from his arm injury
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Mr Underhill, I actually agree. For the 25 million that has been touted, I wonder if there might be better, foreign options. That said, at 21 years of age and under this coaching staff, he is also worth a go too.
I wonder what now for Hogan, Davis, McCormack and Kodjia? I’d keep Jimmy Danger to be honest but think we might sell for the right price.
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Saido Berahino is looking for a new club.
;)
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I'd certainly look to sign a top striker and i would also try to bring in Tammy for around £20m. 21 and will get better.
Maupay would be a good option if we could get Tammy.
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Must keep Davis. Tammy does not seem to be fully committed to football. He gives the impression that he does not have a passion for the game he is good at.. For £25 million you might expect more substance.
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Must keep Davis. Tammy does not seem to be fully committed to football. He gives the impression that he does not have a passion for the game he is good at.. For £25 million you might expect more substance.
Agree on Keinan, meant to add him in above post.
Have to say I haven't noticed that with Tammy.
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Tammy isn't a premier league player and isn't worth £25-30m. He did his job for us but for me it's thank you and goodbye.
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I suspect there will be a few surprises up our sleeve, and no-one will come in unless they fit the model. Time for Pitarch to do his thing
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Assuming we can't get Axel, I'd sign Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tammy if possible.
On top of that I'd be looking at Targett, Chalobah, Kalvin Phillips, Lolley, Maupay, McBurnie,
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I suggested the last player a while ago and got shot down in flames. What I want to see is the next Maupuy, not paying through the nose for the real one.
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Gary Cahill on a free? A good squad addition I feel.
If we have Chester, Mings, Tuenzebe and Hause for next season we won't need him but otherwise might be worth a punt.
It's bazaar on Abraham, his loan spell can be considered as nothing but a huge success, 20 odd goals and a big part in our promotion but despite this and the fact that he's a likeable chap I wouldn't want to see us spend more than £20m either and possibly not even that much. His overall game is god awful at times and I can't see him doing much in the PL unless he's getting a load of chances in the box every match. Other than that it's like having 10 men at times, we need someone who can make the ball stick up there.
We certainly need to learn from our dismal recruitment of 2011-2015. I lost count of the number of players we signed, with one being a massive success in Christian Benteke. The best of the rest was Vlaar, Bacuna, Keane on loan, Geye and Ayew. The rest ranged from the disappointing to the disastrous.
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Mr Underhill, I actually agree. For the 25 million that has been touted, I wonder if there might be better, foreign options. That said, at 21 years of age and under this coaching staff, he is also worth a go too.
I wonder what now for Hogan, Davis, McCormack and Kodjia? I’d keep Jimmy Danger to be honest but think we might sell for the right price.
Hogan - season long loan somewhere, anywhere
Davis - I'd keep him but needs regular football on loan
McCormack - gastric band surgery
Kodjia - one year left on contract but needs selling.
Abraham is a very talented player, needs to physically toughen up a lot though.
Che Adams is one Id look at to replace Kodjia, very talented and mobile forward
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Agree about Abraham the only proviso is that I have a suspicion he may have been playing injured.
there are plenty of quality players overseas that's where I would be looking.
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Yes, sell bluenose Gardner in a swap deal for Che Adams, probably need £5M cash as well - that would really piss the noses off!
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can i just say
really looking forward to this thread again in the coming weeks
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Yes, sell bluenose Gardner in a swap deal for Che Adams, probably need £5M cash as well - that would really piss the noses off!
£5m + Gardner for Adams would be hilarious. Che Adams lives in Redditch which is apropos of nothing.
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Will we break our transfer record this summer?
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Yes John, in theory it could be the best for over 10 years (apart from the misguided excitement most of us had in 2015)!
Mings permanently would set the ball rolling nicely.
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Will we break our transfer record this summer?
A few times I’d guess.
Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.
There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.
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I think Mings will be done quite quickly - reckon the deal could even already be in place, there's no way he doesn't want to be here. El Ghazi and Hause we will exercise our right to buy, which is good. I'd buy Tammy if we can, he's only going to get better and I'd try and get Marriott from Derby, I think he's a real talent.
And then I'm sure we can gazump Real for Hazard!!!!
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Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham would be great - I feel he'd be a bit too expensive!
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What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.
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What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.
But three of them aren’t ours.
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Buy Mings and one of the other two centre backs and most of the spine is there, but at the other end I also harbour doubts about whether Tammy can do it consistently enough at PL level. To survive comfortably we need a minimum 15 goal striker.
I also think there's discussions to be had about the goalkeeper.
Still, much rather be having this debate than who we'd be bringing in for a fourth Championship campaign with the parachute payments exhausted!
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What’s great is the spine is PL quality (Mings, possibly axel, jack, JM, Tammy) so we can build around them and keep some continuity.
But three of them aren’t ours.
I suspect that only Mings will be at Villa next season. Manure need a new defence so are bound to want to look at Axel, Chelsea have a transfer ban to consider so will want a look at Tammy. Tammy isn't a top 6 PL striker, but would do a job for us for the time being.
The transfer window closes on 8th August so I'd assume that a loan window will be open beyond that date. I can see Axel starting the season at Old Trafford and joining us if they get in sufficient defensive cover. He could then join us permanently or if it's after the window closes another loan with a permanent signing in January 2020.
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Still, my point is I’d like us to go for permanent deals on those before looking for alternatives, to keep the team ethos. We’ve got a great dressing room which as we’ve seen is a huge asset.
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Will we break our transfer record this summer?
A few times I’d guess.
Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.
There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.
It won’t be mass overhaul in one window. In addition to jack & sgm, El Ghazi will likely get a chance, as will the French right back. Assuming we are able to sign Mings, the positions we need to look at are LB, central defence, central midfield & striker RW. Out of that, I haven’t written Tammy off signing yet. I think Axel will go though. I’m also very uncomfortable with the goalkeepers despite Steers performance in the second half of the season.
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We still need to be relatively sensible - look at what happened to Fulham when splashing the cash. First and foremost we need to keep as much of the squad together as possible. I'm hopeful of keeping Mings, but think Tammy will be a struggle (at least until January) due to Chelsea's transfer embargo, and Solskjaer's already spoken about wanting to get Tuanzebe back there, for pre-season at least. With Chester's injury still a concern, we definitely need a proven Premiership centre-back. Gary Cahill on a free for a year or 2?
We also need a striker, even if we do keep hold of Tammy. I'd go for Oli McBurnie at Swansea, allegedly available for around £12m. Looks to be a natural goalscorer, and pretty decent with his back to goal 2. I could see him having more success in the Prem than someone like Maupay.
Talking of Championship targets, I'd also be going all-out for Jarrod Bowen at Hull. He's definite prem quality and would fit into our system perfectly.
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Will we break our transfer record this summer?
A few times I’d guess.
Seems bad form to say this but I think we only have two players who are undoubtedly PL quality, Jack and McGinn.
There is a massive job to do but I’m confident we have the people in place to do it.
It won’t be mass overhaul in one window. In addition to jack & sgm, El Ghazi will likely get a chance, as will the French right back. Assuming we are able to sign Mings, the positions we need to look at are LB, central defence, central midfield & striker RW. Out of that, I haven’t written Tammy off signing yet. I think Axel will go though. I’m also very uncomfortable with the goalkeepers despite Steers performance in the second half of the season.
Agree on the keepers. I keep thinking that Jack Butland would be worth a shout, if we could get him for £8-£10m.
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I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one. It will be interesting to see if he gives Steer a crack next season though.
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Bunn Nyland and one other to go I would have thought which probably still leaves us with ten.
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I’d love us to go back for Johnstone.
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I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one. It will be interesting to see if he gives Steer a crack next season though.
Kalinic concerns me. I've not seen anything from him so far to suggest he'll be an adequate Premiership number 1. I like Steer, but also don;t think that he's quite good enough either to take us where we need to be.
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I haven't seen anyone mention Callum Robinson yet but I think he'd be a good signing. Scored 7 goals this season for Preston even though he was injured for more than half the campaign and always looks lively whenever I watch him. Big shame that we lost him when we did.
Only thing that gives me cause for concern is that the Murphy brothers have both struggled to make an impact in the prem despite having solid championship seasons.
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And maybe Nick Pope as a goalkeeping option?
Didn't play a single PL game last season due to injury and the form of Heaton but looked very good in 17/18 and even made the World Cup squad.
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I haven't seen anyone mention Callum Robinson yet but I think he'd be a good signing. Scored 7 goals this season for Preston even though he was injured for more than half the campaign and always looks lively whenever I watch him. Big shame that we lost him when we did.
Only thing that gives me cause for concern is that the Murphy brothers have both struggled to make an impact in the prem despite having solid championship seasons.
I think we're going to need better players than Callum Robinson now we're up against the likes of Man City and Liverpool.
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Steer needs to work on his kicking but otherwise I'd have no major qualms with keeping his as #1 at least for next season. It's the defense I'm worried about. We need at least 2 new full-backs (not including Guilbert who could go either way) and I'd sign both Mings and Hause assuming Chester can no longer make it through a whole season.
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I’d love us to go back for Johnstone.
Fuck that.
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Agree on the keepers. I keep thinking that Jack Butland would be worth a shout, if we could get him for £8-£10m.
He’d be a great signing and he need some a move, I remember reading that Man Utd had been quoted £30m for him though.
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I'm not sure we should be splashing out on another keeper when we've not long spent £7m on one.
It a massive amount for a Championship keeper but pretty small beer when the top 6 are paying 10x that.
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Goalkeeper is also pretty much the only position that you can't afford to 'nurture' somebody, particularly in our position now! I was never convinced that Kalinic was Smith's signing to start with, so don't think he'll waste time persevering with him if the coaching staff (particularly Cutler) decide that he's not up to the job - regardless of the fee paid to him.
That said, I think they'll give him pre-season to prove himself capable, before bringing in another keeper.
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From The Torygraph:
Five things Aston Villa must do if they are to stay in the Premier League
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/28/five-things-aston-villa-must-do-stay-premier-league/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AsjxqB2gNSrN
Agree/disagree?
Interesting point about Whelan. The PL is going to be a step up for a lot of the team, so experience and calm, wise heads will be important.
One thing that Villa must avoid above all is bringing in Billy Big Bollocks players who disrupt the harmony and spirit amongst the squad which has been fundamental in the last third of the season and seeing us through to promotion.
One thing that has stood out since March is that Smith has moulded a team with a one for all, all for one mentality; which needs to be maintained.
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Buy Mings and one of the other two centre backs and most of the spine is there, but at the other end I also harbour doubts about whether Tammy can do it consistently enough at PL level. To survive comfortably we need a minimum 15 goal striker.
I also think there's discussions to be had about the goalkeeper.
Still, much rather be having this debate than who we'd be bringing in for a fourth Championship campaign with the parachute payments exhausted!
Sam Johnstone for me as first choice keeper.
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Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?
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From The Torygraph:
Five things Aston Villa must do if they are to stay in the Premier League
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/28/five-things-aston-villa-must-do-stay-premier-league/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AsjxqB2gNSrN
Agree/disagree?
Interesting point about Whelan. The PL is going to be a step up for a lot of the team, so experience and calm, wise heads will be important.
One thing that Villa must avoid above all is bringing in Billy Big Bollocks players who disrupt the harmony and spirit amongst the squad which has been fundamental in the last third of the season and seeing us through to promotion.
One thing that has stood out since March is that Smith has moulded a team with a one for all, all for one mentality; which needs to be maintained.
Hard to disagree with any of those points. I thing giving Whelan another 12 months could actually be very shrewd. Games won't come as thick-and-fast in the Prem as they have in the Championship and we're going to be losing a lot of experience already with the like of Hutton and Jedinak going. He's obviously well liked within the dressing room,and a player who knows his role and purpose within the squad.
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Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?
I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.
Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.
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Kalvin Phillips.... make it so Deano please
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Steer is a real steady Eddie, he’s not really saved anything you wouldn’t expect him to nor let in any clangers and , save that mad 10 mins at the Hawthorns, he has radiated a calm we didn’t see from our other keepers. My doubts really stem from him not appearing tall enough but, with PL teams not slinging in as many crosses these days, he probably deserves his shot at the number one spot.
Still think we’ll look at another keeper mind.
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Do you think we'll beat our transfer record over the summer? Maybe more than once?
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I'm torn between being hugely excited at the prospect of wealthy owners finally being able to open their wallets properly, and doing a Fulham by spunking £100m just to get relegated again.
We could comfortably spend £50m just to permanently acquire the players we've had on loan this season (specifically Mings, Hause, Tammy and Anwar - I think Axel is in ManU's first-team plans, for now anyway). So £100m net spend doesn't actually sound that ridiculous, especially if that extra £50m goes on a couple of proper top-end Prem players. Fulham spent £50m on Anguissa and Seri alone.
I'd like to see a proven top-level goalscorer, a winger, LB and a defensive midfielder - all capable of being first-choice in the matchday 11. Put that with the loans made permanent, and I think we could be mid-table comfortably.
And this sounds incredibly negative, but I really hope we only hand out contracts with a decent paycut if the worst should happen. I hate the thought of another Micah Richards hanging around on a massive contract... esp with FFP rules.
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Mings, El-Ghazi and Hause i'd say are certainties to sign, I reckon we'll get Axel on another season loan, Abraham I think will stsy at Chelsea for the coming season, reckon Lolley will end up here but other than that ive got no idea, i presume we had 2 seperate lists of potential signings dependant on yesterdays result. Exciting summer ahead.
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Sky are linking us with a move for Kalvin Phillips at Leeds. Good player, man-marked Grealish quite effectively at Elland Road. Would send the Leeds fans into meltdown too!
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Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?
The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.
We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.
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yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
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Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?
The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.
We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.
I think my concern stems from the fact that we have a Director of Football who seems to be heavily involved with identifying the transfer targets. You're right - for every horror story of this happening, you can find a success one, but I'd still be a lot more comfortable if I thought that Smith and his team were 100% in charge of identifying the targets. Guilbert and Kalinic strike me as players that have been bought by 'Suso' rather than Smith. They may turn out to be good signings but, as others have pointed out, our team spirit and unity has been a massive factor this season and needs to be of paramount consideration with any players that we bring in. the players that Paddy Riley signed were, by-and-large, very good footballers, but they were square-pegs into round-holes, and it'd be an easy trap to fall into again.
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but Mile Jedinak, Micah Richards and Alan Hutton may leave
May?........ MAY?
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As for the transfer record, that'll go on a striker, whether Tammy or someone else
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How about Luka Jovic from Eintracht Frankfurt? Only 21 as well.
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Sky are linking us with a move for Kalvin Phillips at Leeds. Good player, man-marked Grealish quite effectively at Elland Road. Would send the Leeds fans into meltdown too!
Phillips is very good indeed, and would slot nicely into our midfield.
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How about Luka Jovic from Eintracht Frankfurt? Only 21 as well.
Would be good if he weren't (apparently) signing for Real Madrid.
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Can't see them competing if he thinks Villa are interested, tbh.
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it's nothing to do with the amount of money spent and all to do with the way it's spent (see Fulham)
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Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?
I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.
Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.
I really like Steer and he was so assured yesterday. However I thought Johnstone was outstanding last season for us. Bit shy on the line at set piece time but a brilliant shot stopper. His save from Adamoah in the semi was outrageous.
Any keeper business is probably dependent on one if not two of Nyland and Kalinic going. Both on long contracts, Kalinic is hardly as poor as he looked in his few appearances for us.
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Why the assumption among some fans that spending loads of money means "we will do a Fulham"? Why not do a Wolves, or even a Man City?
The only guarantee you can make with spending is that if we don't spend big we will be in trouble.
We should be looking to spend serious cash and do so a lot better than Fulham did. Our owners won't be targeting 17th place. Top half is realistic first season aim.
Your kidding right? That basically means we got to come in the top 4 of the lower Premier League (the top 6 are out of sight at the moment and that means a league of 14). We need to get realistic here else silly decisions will ensue. There is no need to rush out way back to greatness - let’s do one thing at a time and first season back, solidify our place as a top tier club - if that means 13th or 14th I’ll take that right now thank you because it means that $200m turns into $300m and we can then climb to the next level. We need astute management and sensible expectations next season else we will go the way of those before us who have got it all wrong in their first season back in the big league
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yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
Quite a few assumptions there.
The team that has been promoted are a decent side that earned a play off position with a great run, and delivered, just, in a three game shoot out.
This is by no means a great side, nor one that “has to be kept together”.
We finished fifth, won seven fewer games than Norwich the Champions, and conceded nine more than Stoke who finished sixteenth. Nine teams conceded fewer goals than we did. Only two sides scored more. Is John Terry providing value as our defensive coach?
The back five need looking at, as do the defensive qualities of our midfield.
Fulham recruited badly. Man City can afford £100m of mistakes, they could not. The Wolves side that went up was better than ours, and needed fewer replacements. We cannot “do a Wolves”, the Fulham disaster was that they had to buy more players than Wolves did, and failed.
If we do not buy enough players we will fail. If we buy too many we will fail.
We also need to hold on to the talent we do have. Beyond Abraham, Grealish, El Ghazi and McGinn, how many of the others could we not comfortably improve upon? If we lose two or more of those four we will be in trouble.
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Phillips would be fantastic and exactly what we need behind John and Jack. Really like him.
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What does this mean for James Justin from Luton? Is he good enough for the Prem so will we follow through with our reported interest? Same question applies to Freddie Gilbert who we have already signed?
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Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?
I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.
Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.
Thought Johnstone was excellent for us in 17/18 and if the Olbiyun are on a full-on economising drive now, I wouldn't be against us pursuing that one again.
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Has Jed dropped some massive clangers I've forgotten?
I said when we first brought Johnstone in that there wasn't much between him and Steer so we might as well just give Steer a go.
Can't say that the last couple of years have shown anything to change my mind from that position.
Thought Johnstone was excellent for us in 17/18 and if the Olbiyun are on a full-on economising drive now, I wouldn't be against us pursuing that one again.
I thought he was absolutely fine. A solid, unfussy keeper.
But when Steer has basically been a fine, solid, unfussy keeper is there a need to spend even more money on goalkeepers?
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Sign the loanees (if poss) a couple of smart additions as well. Keep the team spirit.
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Steer has looked better since the turn of the year - but he was playing behind Championship equivalent of McGrath and Baresi rolled into one. The second leg of the play-off aside, I don't recall him having to do a whole lot.
Off the top of my head I can recall Johnstone being worth extra points against Sheff Utd and Wed away, Leeds at home and a few others. That's what a good keeper does - earns you points you probably don't deserve.
He quickly seemed to develop an understanding with Terry and Chester as well; to the point that if balls were coming in from the flanks, you'd have few concerns about him dealing with it.
It would be hard to do that to Steer after the final third of the campaign we've had. So I'm glad it's not my call to make.
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yes but Fulham did spend big and were in trouble. So much so we are watching them go down the elevator.
Quite a few assumptions there.
The team that has been promoted are a decent side that earned a play off position with a great run, and delivered, just, in a three game shoot out.
This is by no means a great side, nor one that “has to be kept together”.
We finished fifth, won seven fewer games than Norwich the Champions, and conceded nine more than Stoke who finished sixteenth. Nine teams conceded fewer goals than we did. Only two sides scored more. Is John Terry providing value as our defensive coach?
The back five need looking at, as do the defensive qualities of our midfield.
Fulham recruited badly. Man City can afford £100m of mistakes, they could not. The Wolves side that went up was better than ours, and needed fewer replacements. We cannot “do a Wolves”, the Fulham disaster was that they had to buy more players than Wolves did, and failed.
If we do not buy enough players we will fail. If we buy too many we will fail.
We also need to hold on to the talent we do have. Beyond Abraham, Grealish, El Ghazi and McGinn, how many of the others could we not comfortably improve upon? If we lose two or more of those four we will be in trouble.
There were three different teams this season...
Bruce's team with a crocked James Chester in defence and keepers getting to grips with English football - 3 wins out of 12 - 19 goals conceded
Dean Smith's team with an injured/absent Jack Grealish, half a defence - 8 wins out of 22 - 30 goals conceded
Dean Smith's team with a fully fit Jack and a proper defence - 12 wins out of 15 - 10 goals conceded
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Exactly that London Villan. When people talk about "keeping the team together" they're talking about the team since Janury, the one that won 10 successive games and just got promoted to the Premier League at a canter. No-one's suggesting that we should be doing everything in our power to keep Tommy Elphick and Jedinak at centre-back.
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What does this mean for James Justin from Luton? Is he good enough for the Prem so will we follow through with our reported interest? Same question applies to Freddie Gilbert who we have already signed?
I think he's played most of the season at left-back fro Luton, despite being right-footed, and are interest in him has apparently continued despite Guilbert signing. Taylor - despite his renaissance of recent weeks - is very much still the weak-link in our team, and I don't for one second think that Smith will be planning on going into next season with him as our first-choice left back.
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Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.
Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
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Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.
Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
He cost Fulham the best part of £20m. Probably cost more now.
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Seri looks a really talented player, but not sure he has the work ethic we need. Monaco look favourites for him.
There is a little lad at Leicester (Mendy maybe) that doesn't seem to start under Rodgers but IMO could be ideal for us in front of the back 4. Would not be shocked to see Smith look at signing Ryan Woods on the cheap from Stoke either as a squad option in midfield.
In goal, I don't see the point in signing another one unless Kalinic gets sold on, which wouldn't surprise me. Nyland will go once hes fully fit too. If we are in for a keeper though, one of the quality of Butland should be the sort of standard, not Johnstone who Albion fans are completely unimpressed by.
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Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers
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Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.
Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
He cost Fulham the best part of £20m. Probably cost more now.
He's not actually been all that great for them - he was barely featuring for them by the end of the season (there are quite a lot of comparisons that work him vs Gueye).
So I'd be surprised if they make a profit on him.
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it's nothing to do with the amount of money spent and all to do with the way it's spent (see Fulham)
It's both, really. If we spend peanuts we will almost certainly not be able to compete. That model didn't work under Lambert and would be even less likely to succeed given the vastly increased wealth of our rivals as a result of television deals which grow ever more obscene.
We need to spend lots. Not fucking around amounts. £100 million as a bare minimum. We need to spend it better than Fulham did, though.
Given the players that Smith had brought in so far I'm optimistic that we will.
Now, have we signed anyone yet? FFS... SMITH OUT!!! 😡😡😡
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As tough as it would be on Jed as a club we need to look to better players if they become available. That said I hope with all positions we just don’t blow things up. Add the right pieces. Keep the core together as Wolves did and our momentum will allow us to progress at a good pace. GK is a critical position but Jed has deserved the chance to play in the PL. For me provided we keep our key loan players LB, CM, RW, LW need big upgrades or reinforcements to add depth.
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GK - I think we have more than enough with the 3 we have
LB - I would like us to look at Gibbs from the bitters - athletic and gets forward
CH - Keep Mings / Hause and add another to Chester on the right side
Holding MF - What about a return for Milner to offer experience for a year?
Striker - every year the pundits mention its all about scoring goals so this is where we need to really be dynamic and go for it. Sadly I think Tammy is a lovable guy and not bad for a 1 in 4 striker. In the premiership you need a 1 in 2 or better on chances - but they do not come cheap
I like
King or Wilson at Bournemouth
Or Batshuayi from Palace
Dean Smith seemingly had a great knack for recruiting players so hopefully he knows what we need
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Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers
If we sold Nyland and Kalinic and put the money towards Butland I wouldn't be upset. But that's more with me not knowing how good they truly are, and if they will improve once they've settled, got used to their team mates, language, English football etc.
I like Steer he seems a tad small for a keeper and he obviously isn't Ederson on the ball but he's more than earned his spot.
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Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers
If we're raiding Stoke I'd rather go for Joe Allen (maybe even Woods, if DS can get a tune out of him).
Never been overly impressed with Butland.
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Exactly that London Villan. When people talk about "keeping the team together" they're talking about the team since Janury, the one that won 10 successive games and just got promoted to the Premier League at a canter. No-one's suggesting that we should be doing everything in our power to keep Tommy Elphick and Jedinak at centre-back.
A fair analysis.
I would still hesitate to suggest that our defence is anywhere good enough for the PL though.
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We should line Joe Bryan up and then pull the plug at the very last minute.
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We were linked to Isaac Hayden and Nathaniel Chalobah in January so maybe we'll go back in for one of them.
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We were linked to Isaac Hayden...
We'll probably get Shafted.
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Seri looks a really talented player, but not sure he has the work ethic we need. Monaco look favourites for him.
There is a little lad at Leicester (Mendy maybe) that doesn't seem to start under Rodgers but IMO could be ideal for us in front of the back 4. Would not be shocked to see Smith look at signing Ryan Woods on the cheap from Stoke either as a squad option in midfield.
In goal, I don't see the point in signing another one unless Kalinic gets sold on, which wouldn't surprise me. Nyland will go once hes fully fit too. If we are in for a keeper though, one of the quality of Butland should be the sort of standard, not Johnstone who Albion fans are completely unimpressed by.
Jed's distribution is miles better than Johnstone's.
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Posted this on the wrong thread.
We now have owners who are proper money men, in terms of how the've made their fortunes, the amounts of dosh available and their financial abilities.
In the modern business world there is huge kudos in being linked with/owning a successful EPL team and I think we can be certain that these 2 haven't bought Villa for it to be a plaything or a distraction.
Looking back, it's now obvious that despite what we thought at the time (wishful thinking?) that their predecessors: Lerner - inherited Daddy's money, no business acumen and Dr T - nice guy, but out of his depth financially; didn't really have sufficient financial firepower or executive skills for the modern game - hence last summer's crisis.
In contrast our current owners have made serious money and have shown their intentions to support the club from the day they came in - see the numerous injections of money on the balance sheet
Let's hope that Edens has used his American connections and seen/learned from how the Glazers, Kroenke and John Henry have managed things at ManU, Arsenal and Liverpool and Sawiris will has also picked up on Man Citeh and PSG etc. and they have formulated plans to capitalise on Monday's result -both on and off the pitch.
Dean Smith has proven to be a shrewd operator in the transfer market in the past - he did well in January - not overpaying, but finding players who he can improve and, who at the same to time fit in with both his overall tactical philosophy whilst not upsetting the strong team spirit he creates.
I'm sure that the club has already started the rebuilding process -we've already pruned out the Academy players and will, no doubt be moving on a number of the first team squad.
Smith knows will certainly know who he wants to re-sign from our loan players and depending on the success or failure there will have targets already lined up if he isn't successful and for other positions where we need strengthening.
For once we have directors who have the money to back him.
I don't expect us to be spaffing (thanks Boris) £100m+ on a bunch of players like Fulham did last year who won't fit in - we all saw how that has ended.
I think we'll be both pleased and surprised by some of his signings - here's to finding several more SJMs.
We've had too many false dawns over recent years - we need to ensure that this isn't another one.
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Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.
Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
Had seri in my fantasy team and soon got rid of him
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I’d like to continue to look at options in the Championship also. Joe Lolley looks like he’d fit right in to the way Dean Smith wants to play. We need technical players who love passing the ball and keeping possession. We are going to be paying some stupid sums at some point but we can still be shrewd with our signings.
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I’d like to continue to look at options in the Championship also. Joe Lolley looks like he’d fit right in to the way Dean Smith wants to play. We need technical players who love passing the ball and keeping possession. We are going to be paying some stupid sums at some point but we can still be shrewd with our signings.
talk of the devil
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7079365/Aston-Villa-set-bid-Joe-Lolley-10m-Nottingham-Forest-forward-key-target.html
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I've just watched the brief interview with the two of them and Purslow on the official site Facebook and it's safe to say we're in good hands.....
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I think Lolley will happen, evrrything about it seems to fit.
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I like Lolley - but would much rather we were in for Jarrod Bowen in that same position.
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Nothing there suggesting any sort of bid is imminent.
Easy link to make because of the club he supports and the recent headlines surrounding Smith and Grealish.
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I like Lolley - but would much rather we were in for Jarrod Bowen in that same position.
Sign both, one can play in cup games.
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I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.
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I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.
Maybe if we'd stayed in the Championship.
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Ruben Alcaraz from Valladolid being linked. Central midfielder. Sky sources (yes, I know!!) say that Villa want to keep Tammy, Mings and Tuanzebe but the other two loaned players not mentioned, yet.
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Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.
We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.
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Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.
We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.
Alexander Mitrovic may be available after Fulham's relegation but I think he cost them £30m+ so maybe we could get someone better (and cheaper) from a foreign league.
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I’d like to see us get Dwight Gayle, think he’d score a hat full and it’d piss of the Tesco bags.
I'd rather get relegated than see that fucking orc in claret and blue.
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Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.
We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.
Think we are going to have to make some harsh and ruthless decisions next season, as that is the nature of elite sport. I agree about Tammy, wouldn’t mind him as a bench option next season, but I do think we need a better option as our main striker.
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Jean-Michel Seri at Fulham is one I'd be looking at.
Reckon he's got this summer's Idrissa Gueye written all over him.
I remember Xavi saying he had Barca DNA. Does seem to have suffered from Fulham's demise as much as Gana did here.
If we're talking ambitious I'd love us to make a move for Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio. Was massively rated a year back but had mediocre WC for Serbia and been in and out for Lazio this season.
They tend to play him as an AM but he's also got the build to play much deeper, little bit like Fellani when Everton first signed him.
Seems Juventus are still being linked but if we're talking ambition from the owners I'd like to see us bidding:
https://www.football-italia.net/138626/lotito-juve-wont-ask-milinkovic
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Yep, I'd prefer Butland to the current batch of keepers
Would cost too much, Stoke want 20m +. Think Palace and Bournemouth want him. BTW SHA have big sell on clause and they were hoping he'd get sold last season so they would've avoided -9 that way.
If we want another keeper then can see us going for Neil Etheridge. Cutler basically picked him off the street to sign for Walsall and he was excellent there and been very good at Cardiff aswell. Good sign when a keeper is looking good stepping up every division.
I'd imagine he'd be available for 6-7m. I remember Fabianski had that as a release clause when Swansea went down and he's been a brilliant signing for West Ham.
Next to no chance Nyland will be here in August and I can see Kalinic being loaned out.
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Ruben Alcaraz from Valladolid being linked. Central midfielder. Sky sources (yes, I know!!) say that Villa want to keep Tammy, Mings and Tuanzebe but the other two loaned players not mentioned, yet.
El Ghazi will be the easiest loan to sign I reckon. I thought it was already know OGS is going to put Axel in Man. United squad for next season so would be surprised if he came back.
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From his interview with Dean Smith on the OS it doesn’t sound like we will be pursuing Tammy or Axel. Words to the effect of we’ve improved them and they’ll be worth a lot more. Off course all that could change but it seems we will look to lock up Mings, El Ghazi and Hause. I also liked that he was very adamant that the days of loans appears to be over.
Overall I love how he is bigging up the club. We are Aston Villa
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There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.
I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can
That would leave us needing:
LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)
Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options
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There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.
I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can
That would leave us needing:
LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)
Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options
Listening to CP yesterday, he made the point that the days are gone when we need to loan players thus improving them for their parent clubs (and as mentioned, increasing their value in the process)
I'm pretty sure that we'll be looking towards building a team with our own players.
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Lolley would be a massive yes from me.
I would hope we are in for him before he is snapped up by a prem......sorry, another premier league club.
We need a striker, as a priority.
As great as Tammy has been, it’s at this level. Frankly, he’s not good enough to be our main striker next season. That looks harsher than it’s meant to be.
I’d love to keep him but there has to be another reliable striker in the squad.
Alexander Mitrovic may be available after Fulham's relegation but I think he cost them £30m+ so maybe we could get someone better (and cheaper) from a foreign league.
Maupay could be incoming.
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Jarrod Bowen from Hull is a very good player - I thin Spurs have looked at him? Also, Bradley Dack from Blackburn is really good. Great having these possibilities now!
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Given the choice, I'd take Hause before Tuanzebe. Better in the air, not as quick across the ground mind, but, as a former centre back myself, I see more in Kortney Hause than I do in Axel. Subjective I know but great debate and thanks to Deano, we can have that debate. (Mings above both though).
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Given the choice, I'd take Hause before Tuanzebe. Better in the air, not as quick across the ground mind, but, as a former centre back myself, I see more in Kortney Hause than I do in Axel. Subjective I know but great debate and thanks to Deano, we can have that debate. (Mings above both though).
Trouble is, Hause and Mings are both left footed. Tuanzebe is a right footed CB. That gives a better balance. Hause will definitely be signed I feel. I'm sure Deano will try his best to sign Axel.
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Dean said we have options on 2 of them, which I am assuming is Hause and Ming’s.
United won’t sell us Tunzabe so he won’t be here.
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I think we've got options on El Ghazi and Hause
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Dean said we have options on 2 of them, which I am assuming is Hause and Ming’s.
United won’t sell us Tunzabe so he won’t be here.
I think he said three, CL, which I'm presuming would be Mings, Hause and El-Ghazi.
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There might be a chance of another loan for axel if man u want to see him tested in the prem before taking a chance.
I'm really hoping we can get el ghazi and mings. I think we can
That would leave us needing:
LB (this guy from Luton? Obviously not experienced tho)
DM (reckon Hayden or Phillips quite likely)
Midfield cover
Two new wingers (Kent, Lolley, Bowen, amongst the options)
One or maybe two new strikers (Maupay an obvious shout but also suspect there are some foreign based options)
Plus a bit of a weird situation in goal. I assume we won't have given up on Kalinic yet. It can often take a keeper a bit of time to settle in English football. But then I really don't feel confident w any of our options
Listening to CP yesterday, he made the point that the days are gone when we need to loan players thus improving them for their parent clubs (and as mentioned, increasing their value in the process)
I'm pretty sure that we'll be looking towards building a team with our own players.
Maybe not five loan players again, but if there's one or two that would improve the team (even if just for one season), I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Yeh made it pretty clear that we are not in the loan market any more..
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Presumably we're going to be heavily linked with Gary Cahill over the next few weeks?
Given he spent half a decade playing alongside John Terry, his previous history with us and the fact that a bit of experience probably wouldn't go amiss, it's pretty likely to happen isn't it?
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Presumably we're going to be heavily linked with Gary Cahill over the next few weeks?
Given he spent half a decade playing alongside John Terry, his previous history with us and the fact that a bit of experience probably wouldn't go amiss, it's pretty likely to happen isn't it?
I think it's an obvious connection that will be made Dave, but I'm not sure personally:
- I'm not sure that an older, super expensive wage sponge is the sort of player Purslow will be sanctioning.
- If we keep Mings, Hause and possibly Tuanzebe, with Chester as backup would we really need him?
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how much would Danny Drinkwater cost?
could do a decent job for us in the first season of Prem ..
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Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?
And for bonus points, who was the one before that?
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Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?
And for bonus points, who was the one before that?
Was it Ritchie De Laet? And maybe Jedinak before him?
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With no Euros or World Cup this summer, it's a good time to be looking at new players. No delays because players don't want to be distracted during a tournament and no clamouring to sign unheard of players just because they have a couple of good games on a big stage.
Hopefully this will mean that permanent transfers can be dealt with early in the off-season
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Who was the last Premier League player we signed permanently for a fee?
And for bonus points, who was the one before that?
Was it Ritchie De Laet? And maybe Jedinak before him?
Glenn Whelan was more recent than both wasn't he?
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Setting aside the current loan players for a moment, I expect Lolley and Cahill to join but I've no idea who else will arrive.
Finding an experienced but still mobile holding midfielder might be the most difficult signing. Depending on where Danny Drinkwater is in terms of fitness and legal matters, he might be an option.
Milner would be great for a couple of seasons and I wouldn't be adverse to Delph (with the appropriate mea culpa)
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Aye Wheelo was the most recent.
Scott Sinclair was one of the last Premier League players we signed as a Premier League outfit. Before that, N'Zogbia and Hutton and Given.
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Yeh made it pretty clear that we are not in the loan market any more..
This is music to my ears.
We've been used as a 'second rate' club for too long. We're back in the top tier now. We need to start acting like a top tier club. It's not as though we're on the bones of are arse, financially.
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I'd be perfectly happy for us to get a player in on loan if it benefited the club.
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Aye Wheelo was the most recent.
Scott Sinclair was one of the last Premier League players we signed as a Premier League outfit. Before that, N'Zogbia and Hutton and Given.
Talking of Whelan, I always thought he was a calm, reserved even aloof sort of personality, but looking at the post match celebrations he comes across as teenage lunatic. Bloody brilliant.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
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For me a class midfielder is essential to allow Grealish to play to his strength which is tucked in behind the forwards.
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Whilst we're saying no to loans, let's also make sure we're never mugged off with make-weights such as Spurs tried with us last season. James Milner for Stephen Ireland was an early indication of the respective directions of travel that saw us relegated and Man City ordering tanker-loads of silver polish.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Sadly I agree with this...Tammy has been great for us and scored bucket-loads...but I just see him as a "one up top" player in the prem. If we played two up then maybe but not in a lone striker role..
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We've been linked very heavily with Ezri Konsa at Brentford, who is a very similar player to Tuanzebe. I'd wager that Smith has already been told that Utd won't sell at this stage, so is planning elsewhere.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
Yes we have. He was an important part of Villa getting promoted. If Jedi/Mad Tom had been playing instead, it might not have happened
I don't see any reason why one or two loan players can't come in again next season
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And next season? The season after? It's a short term benefit, I acknowledge that.
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Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?
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Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?
26, too old? Lord.
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Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?
26, too old? Lord.
"you will win nothing with kids" (winky thing)
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I don't mind loans if they are done sensibly. The club have already stated that loans will be set up with options to buy rather than just random short-term thinking. In that case, it gives us a try before we buy, which is no bad thing.
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We've been linked very heavily with Ezri Konsa at Brentford, who is a very similar player to Tuanzebe. I'd wager that Smith has already been told that Utd won't sell at this stage, so is planning elsewhere.
They might rethink if he's seen walking around Deansgate and Oxford Street dressed like Mings.
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Loans for me are a championship necessity. Lets look at permanents now we're in the top flight. If we're short by late August and need to bolster in 1-2 positions (or cover injury) then that's when we could possibly look at loans. I'd be loathe to develop another Tuanzebe/Abraham as a Premiership side.
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It doesn't work like that in the premier league, the loans transfer window is the same as the full one.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Not to single you out Ads, a lot of people seem to say the same. But I don't think we 'need' a striker to score 20.
Only Vardy from outside the top 6 got more than 14 this season. Wilson got 14. I think next is Jimenez, Murray on 13, then King, Barnes and Perez on 12.
Also, Vardy, Wilson, Murray, King, Barnes and Perez are all strikers who came from the Championship and made the step up comfortably. I think Tammy would be fine for us, and has the potential to be great - I think he's capable of scoring 15 next year and that'd be a fantastic return.
I know the argument is he only got 5 for Swansea, but he started well for them, they were shite and the manager changed after a couple of months. Also, Swansea only 28 goals all season, so Tammy's 5 as a percentage of overall team goes was actually relatively high.
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And next season? The season after? It's a short term benefit, I acknowledge that.
That's what loans are for.
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don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
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don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
I don't think Smith will go anywhere near Delph, at any price, and not just because of his history. I think he'll be looking for players who's careers are on an upward trajectory. That he can coach and improve. Delph has West Ham written all over him. Massive wages, half-arsed, injury-prone. Bit of a twat. Etc, etc.
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don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
I'd agree with you and personally I'd take him back in a heartbeat, although it makes us left foot heavy in midfield.
I put in the squad build thread....we need a signing similar to Wolves Moutinho one last summer, dunno who, but that sort of signing it crucial IMO.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
That's my feeling. He might do ok and produce, but I think £25 million spent abroad might get us more of a surer thing.
I don't think Chelsea would sell anyway given their situation.
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don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
Yeah would be a very good signing, and would also cover left back (been playing there for Manchester City).
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I'd sign him and then put him in a rocket and fire him into the sun. The massive fucking snake.
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I only really noticed after Tammy got his shoulder injury and he was having difficulty getting back into his former groove how arms and legs he is. He seemed to really have trouble getting the ball out of his feet against the Albion and on Monday. It's not a reason not to sign him, admittedly, but I don't think he's balanced enough to have that Premier League ruthlessness. Ideally, you want a striker that's a combination of him and Kodjia to lead the line - strong and quick and capable of finishing quickly.
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don’t know how much truth in the rumour that Delph will leave Man City this window but
Grealish- Delph - McGinn is a proper premiere league midfield
I'd agree with you and personally I'd take him back in a heartbeat, although it makes us left foot heavy in midfield.
I put in the squad build thread....we need a signing similar to Wolves Moutinho one last summer, dunno who, but that sort of signing it crucial IMO.
Aaron Mooy maybe? Too good for championship anyway
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Tammy Abraham is 21. He has bags of potential and while he might not fill out to be Lukaku (who I actually believe has put on too much muscle and slowed him down) he is going to add weight and become stronger. He also needs to heal as he’s been carrying and injury since Sheff Wed which affected his mobility.
If the price is right I’d have him. And as importantly if not more so his attitude is absolutely spot on.
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I'd keep Tammy if we can. He's settled here and knows what's expected of him. He can and will get better. Delph can go and shed his skin elsewhere. He's far to injury prone anyway. I'd prefer a younger more mobile Jedinak, don't know who though.
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I think Tammy's also developed his overall game over the past few seasons too. His back-to-goal play has improved immensely since I first saw him at Bristol City, and he has loads of potential to improve even further. I'd be happy to see us pay £25m for him.
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Tammy Abraham is 21. He has bags of potential and while he might not fill out to be Lukaku (who I actually believe has put on too much muscle and slowed him down) he is going to add weight and become stronger. He also needs to heal as he’s been carrying and injury since Sheff Wed which affected his mobility.
If the price is right I’d have him. And as importantly if not more so his attitude is absolutely spot on.
I completely agree, TV.
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Would Muapay be better suited though with his pace and playing off the shoulder?
Aguero, Vardy et al, all have that killer pace and I just think that type of forward is what is most likely to cause problems.
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Delph? We have a team managed by a Villa fan and captained by a Villa fan who seem to have developed a genuine affinity with the fan base over the last 8 months.
The last thing we need to do is sign somebody who showed the club and its fan base such a complete lack of respect as this snake did last time he was here. I don't care how well he may fit into our midfield, he can sod off and sign for Wolves or some other no mark club.
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This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership.
Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...
***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***
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If we don’t go for / get Tammy, I wonder if the time has finally come for Benni McCarthey?
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This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership.
Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...
***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***
I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊
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This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..
Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
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This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..
Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
I think you've just dug me out of a hole there...;-)
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This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..
Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
Decent hold up play, could work well.
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This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership.
Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...
***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***
I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊
I don't as it's not ridiculous, it's bat shit mental.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
Hogan's looking a less ridiculous suggestion with each post!
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We have to learn harsh lessons from the past.
1. Our ability to have players leave for nothing, sell at the right time.
2. Buying players with terrible injury records and thinking we can rehabilitate them.
3. Buying players who have played tiny amount of football for the last few years.
4. Buying players who are on their way down and no longer have the desire and see us as easy street.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.
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This is going to sound ridiculous, I know, but I actually think before shelling out big money on someone like Maupay , I'd like to see if Scott Hogan could make an impact for us in the Premiership.
Teams will set-up completely differently against us in the Premiership, leaving space in behind to exploit, much like when Vardy was a unknown quantity to top-flight defenders. I'm not suggesting he's going to have the same impact as Vardy, but I'd be worried that signing Maupay on the back of his form for Brentford, would effectively be a more expensive solution than Smith and co having a summer to try to get a tune out of Hogan...
***hides under the desk in anticipation of replies***
I agree with the first six words of that post. 😊
I don't as it's not ridiculous, it's bat shit mental.
Russell's been on Flange all night I suppose.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.
How about Sturridge?
May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
I quite like Wellbeck, works hard.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.
How about Sturridge?
May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.
?? Perhaps my grammar wasn't clear, but I'd be reticent to take a chance on either Welbeck or Sturridge because of their habit of picking up injuries.
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If we cant land Tammy, I think we should have a look at Danny Wellbeck. He is a free agent, has plenty of years left in him and has that knack of getting goals at all levels, even if he looks a bit ungainly. Wages might be an issue, but prefer him to Carroll or Benteke myself.
A bit like Sturridge in that I'm sure there's something left in the tank, but with his injury record I'd hope we stay well clear.
How about Sturridge?
May as well get the full list of injury but free signing options out at once.
?? Perhaps my grammar wasn't clear, but I'd be reticent to take a chance on either Welbeck or Sturridge because of their habit of picking up injuries.
I thought you were just comparing him to Sturridge, rather than adding Sturridge in as a suggestion.
So thought I'd explicitly add him to the list of injury prone free transfer options.
For what it's worth I agree, I'd steer clear. I'd probably just consider Kodjia to be our new third choice striker with two others ahead of him.
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This is going to sign ridiculous I know x 2..
Andy Carroll been released by West Ham. I'd genuinely take him on a pay as you play deal. Impact sub. I realise this is very much the sort of player we'd be going after if Steve Bruce was still our manager and that Dean Smith is far more sane than I am and won't go anywhere near him, but I'd be quite happy to see him come on in the 82nd minute of games if we're desperate for a goal.
I'd prefer to continue to develop Davis, who I think has plenty of potential to become a vey good striker.
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Ah OK fair enough, did think it was a case of crossed wires.
I think they all have something to offer (even Carroll) and they are on a free. But with Micah Cole Senderos etc so fresh in the memory it has to be someone else offering them two or three year deals
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Phillips from Leeds and Bowen from Hull would give great hope when added to retaining Mings Tuanzebe etc...(I guess Tuanzebe will go back but you never know he may be sent out again).
I imagine a very large lump of cash will go on a striker
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Delph? We have a team managed by a Villa fan and captained by a Villa fan who seem to have developed a genuine affinity with the fan base over the last 8 months.
The last thing we need to do is sign somebody who showed the club and its fan base such a complete lack of respect as this snake did last time he was here. I don't care how well he may fit into our midfield, he can sod off and sign for Wolves or some other no mark club.
i think you'll find there were loads of posts similar to yours when we were thinking of signing Terry
people getting very aggravated about someone they didn't like and had major problems with
a few top class performances and its all water under the bridge and the blokes still here
same as it would be if Delph ever came back
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Personally I think Delph got a lot of unjustified stick. He could have gone for nothing, signed a new contract that gave us a lift when we were at near rock bottom. Ultimately I think we'd already found his replacement by the time he changed his mind.
You could argue that the £8m release clause was only half his true value but he could have waited & left for nothing.
I wouldn't mind him coming back, but I can't see it somehow.
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Fuck no to Delph. That ship has sailed.
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We have to learn harsh lessons from the past.
1. Our ability to have players leave for nothing, sell at the right time.
2. Buying players with terrible injury records and thinking we can rehabilitate them.
3. Buying players who have played tiny amount of football for the last few years.
4. Buying players who are on their way down and no longer have the desire and see us as easy street.
I thought Christian made that absolutely clear in his interview. We will have a new, potentially two, new strikers, one of which might be Abraham but the other will not be somebody we know or mentioned on here
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season. If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season. If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!
Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season. If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!
Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.
If he was our player and we hadn't gone up, what price would you put on his head?
When you think Kodja was £15m Hogan £12m (?) £20m - £25m for Tammy would seem to be pretty decent, when you concierge Adams, from the noses, will go for around £20m
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Adams 20 mil, I’d say closer to 10 mil. Tammy would be a reasonably risky signing at the 20mil plus Chelsea would ask. It’s all down to our scouting, but I’d prefer someone with a better first touch.
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Adams 20 mil, I’d say closer to 10 mil. Tammy would be a reasonably risky signing at the 20mil plus Chelsea would ask. It’s all down to our scouting, but I’d prefer someone with a better first touch.
Not sure how true, but, didn't Southampton offer £15m+ for Adams in January?
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Ok I'll buck the trend.
I like Tammy for his spirit and work ethic as well as the 26 goals but.......
He is a younger Darren Bent in as much as if he is not tapping them in from inside the 18 yard box then there are periods of the game where he is anonymous. We sometimes was like we played with 10 men.
Can't carry players in the top flight and Tammy is no where near the real deal for the Premier.
If he wants to stay (and I feel he wants his chance at chelsea) then he certainly not good enough to be our main goal threat or to lead the line as his all round game is not good enough.
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Lolley at 26 - maybe a couple of years too old for us? Given if we see him as a player for the next 2 years or so will his resale value be beneficial when 28/29?
26, too old? Lord.
"you will win nothing with kids" (winky thing)
26 being too old from the perspective off will he improve much above his current standard. And therefore spending that money on someone who’s never played at the top level represents a risk.
I always thought he was 21/22 and at that age the signing would make more sense.
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Ok I'll buck the trend.
I like Tammy for his spirit and work ethic as well as the 26 goals but.......
He is a younger Darren Bent in as much as if he is not tapping them in from inside the 18 yard box then there are periods of the game where he is anonymous. We sometimes was like we played with 10 men.
Can't carry players in the top flight and Tammy is no where near the real deal for the Premier.
If he wants to stay (and I feel he wants his chance at chelsea) then he certainly not good enough to be our main goal threat or to lead the line as his all round game is not good enough.
This.
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I also agree with this ^. Great Championship player but will struggle in a one up top Premier division side unless he's has world class players around him. Might do ok for Man City, but I guess they wouldn't be interested in him. Surely better options out there? That all said, he has been absolutely frickin great for us this season and a breath of fresh air.
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I have trust that the management will bring the right players in, but I'll only really be satisfied when we've signed a striker I've never heard from South America.
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I like Tammy and reckon he will get better. I'd be happy to sign him but sign someone else too. Sadly I think Kodjia's best days are behind him and I'd like the luxury of being able to loan Keinan out to a Championship club for a season, see how good he can be.
Edit: I like the idea of the poster above, mind. It's still a bit sad that we've never signed a player from the big three in South America.
Gustavo Bartelt doesn't count.
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Fuck no to Delph. That ship has sailed.
TFR. His best days are behind him
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I like Tammy and reckon he will get better. I'd be happy to sign him but sign someone else too. Sadly I think Kodjia's best days are behind him and I'd like the luxury of being able to loan Keinan out to a Championship club for a season, see how good he can be.
Edit: I like the idea of the poster above, mind. It's still a bit sad that we've never signed a player from the big three in South America.
Gustavo Bartelt doesn't count.
Big 3? Colombia not bigger than Uruguay?
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I meant historically, if you haven't won the World Cup, you're not big.
Obviously, I'm including the 1967 winners.
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Surprised at all the home grown suggestions, is MON back in town?
We will sign a couple from abroad like in January with Kalinic and Gulibert coming in.
If we're looking at hidden gem striker I'd like Seb Haller from Frankfurt. 24 and has a good record for them in the Bundesliga. Ben Yedder from Sevilla could be another interesting option.
They probably wouldn't cost that much more than Neal Maupay.
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Who are the three loan players we have options on?
Hause
AEG
Mings?
Tammy?
Axel?
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The first two and then a matching clause for Mings.
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It's a double edged sword. We've made Tuanzebe better and benefited from him, but we don't reap the benefits.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't sign Tammy permanently. If we're going to stay up, then we need a centre forward who can score 20 goals in this league and who has pace. That's going to cost £30m and that player isn't Tammy.
Totally agree on Tammy.
I know it sounds a bit cut throat and ruthless but they're going to want 25m and he's not a proven top level player. I don't even think he'd do well in the top flight.
I’m struggling to understand this, the kid is only 21 same age as Davis but has just scored 26 goals for us, he will only get better. I saw him start to bully defenders towards the end of the season. If you ask me we need to sign Kevin Oghenetega Tamaraebi Bakumo-Abraham now!
Because we would be paying top dollar for a striker who has never done it at PL level.
If he was our player and we hadn't gone up, what price would you put on his head?
When you think Kodja was £15m Hogan £12m (?) £20m - £25m for Tammy would seem to be pretty decent, when you concierge Adams, from the noses, will go for around £20m
Doesn't really matter, though, does it, because he's not. I also can't believe anyone will pay that for Adams.
As others have said, he's a great championship striker, but I agree, and - just forgetting the question of price - I am far from convinced he's got what it takes to do it at the top level.
The Bent comparison rings true for me.
Let's see what happens, but I will genuinely be surprised if we even try to get him back.
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Err, Darren Bent wasn't too shabby as a top flight centre forward, if my memory serves me correct.
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Quite. And Adams is nowhere fucking near that. You could buy the whole of their fucking club and their hovel of a ground for £20 million, let alone one player.
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Che Adams can get fucked, along with the club he plays for.
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Wouldn't mind loaning Pulisic from Chelsea
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That baseball cap wearing long ball stripey twat? Fuck that!
Oh, Pulisic.
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Sturridge? The bloke who plays 4 times a season, gets paid a fortune and does that fucking stupid wavy arm dance if he scores. No ta.
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Sturridge? The bloke who plays 4 times a season, gets paid a fortune and does that fucking stupid wavy arm dance if he scores. No ta.
File under McCormack/Agbonlahor/Carroll/injuredtwats.
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I don’t see the comparison Bent and Tammy, completely different players.
I am not convinced that Tammy is god enough for the Prem but too young to write off.
I would trust Delano to get this right though.
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Percy suggesting we have opened talks with Bournemouth over Mings in a deal worth up to £15m.
SIGN.HIM.UP
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We don’t want to be looking at (and I’m sure we won’t) anyone else’s damaged goods. Those days are gone. Thankfully!
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Yeah, Paul McGrath was rubbish. 😉
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Percy suggesting we have opened talks with Bournemouth over Mings in a deal worth up to £15m.
SIGN.HIM.UP
Agreed. #getitdone! Hause and El Ghazi too.
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Mings, Hause and I would sign Cahill as the experienced head in the back 4, plus you could then comfortably play a back 3 if you wanted to. Chester would obviously be the 4th centre half if fully fit.
Tammy will be a brilliant striker in the premier league in 3-4 seasons, he is going to start filling out a bit and getting stronger to match his frame, when he will become scary good in time, but next season we need someone that will hold the ball up better and get 12-15 goals too. If we could afford Tammy too, great, but we need 2 strikers this summer and to allow Davis out for a full season of football somewhere he can get his eye in.
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There are a few strikers who've looked great in the championship but have never really cut the mustard at PL level for one reason or another. Grabban and Gayle for example. Nahki Wells looked the bollox a couple of seasons ago. You could even chuck in the likes of Gestede and Bamford who have had decent seasons in the Championship. I fear Tammy may be that kind of level, too good for level 2, not quite good enough for top level. Good penalty box finisher but first touch is poor and misses a fair few sitters.
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The Sun (I know) reckon we're in for Maupay at a club record £20m. Hope this is true - he's a top class finisher who Deano signed for Brentford.
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Mings, Hause and I would sign Cahill as the experienced head in the back 4, plus you could then comfortably play a back 3 if you wanted to. Chester would obviously be the 4th centre half if fully fit.
Tammy will be a brilliant striker in the premier league in 3-4 seasons, he is going to start filling out a bit and getting stronger to match his frame, when he will become scary good in time, but next season we need someone that will hold the ball up better and get 12-15 goals too. If we could afford Tammy too, great, but we need 2 strikers this summer and to allow Davis out for a full season of football somewhere he can get his eye in.
Agree about signing Mings and permanently and would try get Tuanzebe back if possible even if it was on loan for another season. Think those four would be fine options at CB for the coming season.
I think the areas where we need real quality buys are LB, DCM, ST and wide forwards. Would sign El Ghazi and try and get Abraham back on loan, but don’t think either would be regular starters. Don’t think Adomah or Green are going to be good enough and will need replacing, but Kodjia might get his finger out now he has a chance in the top flight and might be worth keeping for a season as a squad option.
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Kodjia will be moved on, think Davis will be more of the plan B/C option off the bench. If he can stop picking up injuries I'm interested in how he develops.
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Kid can't hit a barn door though. He needs to go somewhere that he literally gets spoonfed chances to learn how to finish.
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Davis needs to improve the quality and frequency of his shooting alright, but he has had some bad luck with deflections and saves. One or two of his shots have led to goals by others.
He is brilliant at holding it up, though. Mr Reliable. I'd say with hindsight he'd have been more use than Tammy Abraham in the PO final.
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I've seen nothing like enough from Davis to make me think he's going to be good enough.
He needs time on loan.
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I don’t see the comparison Bent and Tammy, completely different players.
I am not convinced that Tammy is god enough for the Prem but too young to write off.
I would trust Delano to get this right though.
They're similar because if you're not getting the ball to them in the box, they're not adding enough to the team.
Tammy at least wins headers but that's not enough.
That's not to talk down his achievements this year in the championship, but on the top flight he'd be adding even less.
Bent was absolutely the same (let's not forget, he too was lethal in the box).
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I've seen nothing like enough from Davis to make me think he's going to be good enough.
He needs time on loan.
I agree, I think it would do him the world of good. A decent Championship club who would use him in the right way. Win win situation for all involved. I like Davis, but he needs to add the most vital ingredient to his game: goals.
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I like Davis, think he could be a useful player. Reminds me of Emile Heskey (the young version at Leicester, not the one we got) but like Heskey he needs to find the back of the net more. A season on loan in the championship would do him more good than warming our bench.
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The thing about Tammy, is that people remember the misses, because he HAS missed quite a few sitters. What people don't remember, is that he keeps getting into great positions FOR those misses, which is why he still scores so many. He has excellent strikers instincts - the thing they say you can't teach. The rest we can work on (and, as others have said, he'll get stronger and more physical)
Now, in the Prem, he's definitely going to have to survive on fewer, more difficult chances, but at 21 he's shown enough to suggest he's got the potential to be a 15 goal a season man in the top league. And like it or not, that's a £20m+ player every day of the week. A LOT will depend on chances created for him, but I can't for one moment imagine we're going to suddenly become a team that plays more defensively. We're going to create chances.
Put it another way, if there was another young English centre-forward who'd scored 50 goals over three seasons out on loan, I don't think too many would be unhappy being linked to them.
Let's assume the worst, and it doesn't work out, he never reaches double figures in the next few years. He's still young enough to move on and recoup some, if not all, of our investment. He fits the profile for the sort of player we're now interested in.
I'd be very interested to see how he ranks in the whole 'moneyball' analysis we now apparently use.
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Would be interesting if the Maupay rumours turn out to be true. He's already played in a Deano side and will know exactly what to do you'd expect.
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I'm really unsure about Maupay but I don't know what the options are really. The problem with football at the moment is that you have 10-15 clubs across Europe who are trying to sign any kid that looks capable of being a good player so all the 18-22 year old strikers who've hit double figures get linked with £50m moves to clubs like Real, Barca, Liverpool, Man City, etc.
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They squirrel away the nuts and then forget where they have buried them but happy that no one else has access to them. Finally digging them out when they are wasted.
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Will this be the longest transfer thread ever? Are Bet365 getting involved with spread betting? I say 200 pages before the window.
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How well do people think Tammy, Maupay or Pukki will do, realistically in the PL?. I think they were the three leading scorers in the Chumps (possibly the geezer from Sheffield Utd too). Pukki came in for free and ad the season of his life. Is it possible we could unearth someone from somewhere in the world for small change who might do something similar for a season or do we have to bite the bullet and spend big? FWIW I think Abraham is going to stay at Chelsea. I can see a bid from us for Maupay and him scoring 10-12 goals in the PL with the addition of another wide man to replace Green/Albert. I guess that could be Kodjia but I can see him leaving if a bid for a few million comes in. That then leaves us with buying another striker, loaning the one that is good but never scores and doing anything and everything to off load Hogan and McCormack - who otherwise will trouser over £7m on the rest of his contract.
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My friend's sister's boyfriend (I know) is apparently very good mates with Joe Lolley and apparently we're currently in negotiations with Forest over him.
We've officially bid for him and he's waiting for a call from his agent regarding whether it's been accepted.
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I'm mates with one of Lolley's uni mates. I have no knowledge.
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Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
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Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.
Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.
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Fuck Moneyball, I want Galacticos.
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Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.
Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.
Moneyball is all about using stats and analytics to find players who are undervalued in the market. I think Kante was discovered by Leicester using stats and they got him cheap because he was playing for a small club in Ligue 1 (I think it was Caen which is where we've bought Guilbert from).
As for our budget I think it could be relatively large as our owners are loaded but I would still expect them to be careful with who they sign, rather than just throwing money at big names as Fulham did.
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My friend's sister's boyfriend (I know) is apparently very good mates with Joe Lolley and apparently we're currently in negotiations with Forest over him.
We've officially bid for him and he's waiting for a call from his agent regarding whether it's been accepted.
Too many apparently's in that first sentence!
What is it again? Holding The Shirt In Front Of Bodymoor Heath?
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I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.
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Lot to be said for young and hungry but not fot young and dirt cheap.
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Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
Low hanging fruit first.
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Lot to be said for young and hungry but not fot young and dirt cheap.
...and able!
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I just hope we sign players that come here because they want to play for us rather than signing players that come here simply because we offer them more money than other teams.
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So who are the loan players that we have options on and likelihood of signing them...
Mings: possible agreement and permanent move from Bournemouth.
Hause: possible agreement and permanent move from Wolves.
Axel: any chance that Man Utd will sell or will they want to keep him now?
El Ghazi: sounds like he wants to stay but do we have any agreements in place?
Tammy: possibly the most unlikely to return to Villa Park given the situation at Chelski and likely transfer fee.
Have I missed any other players on loan?
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Mings, AEG and Hause will get done
Axel probably not
Tammy depends on what Chelsea want to do with him and what they price him at but that may not happen
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Maupay has hinted today he's keen to join according to the B'ham Mail
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There are a few strikers who've looked great in the championship but have never really cut the mustard at PL level for one reason or another. Grabban and Gayle for example. Nahki Wells looked the bollox a couple of seasons ago. You could even chuck in the likes of Gestede and Bamford who have had decent seasons in the Championship. I fear Tammy may be that kind of level, too good for level 2, not quite good enough for top level. Good penalty box finisher but first touch is poor and misses a fair few sitters.
My thoughts all along and agree with the examples you picked out.
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Alexander Isak ticks a lot of the boxes re potential, age etc. Highly rated in Sweden and a move to Dortmund followed (where he was loaned out to a Dutch club), whether he's actually any good I couldn't tell you. Would no doubt need a proven goal scorer as well.
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can we have Saïd Benrahma from Brentford too
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Albeit from a starting position of great misery I’m sure in the end had we not gone up we’d have been ok with the types of players Dean would have attracted as a Championship club. Even with the inevitable departures I would have made us favourites or very strong contenders next season.
But isn’t it fucking ace that we are now going to be linked with proper quality players from around the world? I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
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I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
Same here. If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.
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I can't wait for the fixture list release, oddly. I think that's when it'll feel real.
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Been thinking about Abraham and for me it boils down to the question if there was no prior connection would we risk him as our biggest signing of the summer to lead the line in our first season back up?
For me probably not. He was unplayable for the first half of last season but worryingly anonymous at crunch time, and that’s against championship opposition. I really like his attitude and I do rate him but for the money I think there are better options.
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I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
Same here. If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.
How so?
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I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
Same here. If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.
How so?
For those who don't go to games, like me, streams for Premier League games are everywhere. Not so much in the Championship. Feels like I've only seen a handful of games over the last three years.
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Been thinking about Abraham and for me it boils down to the question if there was no prior connection would we risk him as our biggest signing of the summer to lead the line in our first season back up?
For me probably not. He was unplayable for the first half of last season but worryingly anonymous at crunch time, and that’s against championship opposition. I really like his attitude and I do rate him but for the money I think there are better options.
I began to question signing Tammy permanently when he suggested at Wembley that God would be telling him what to do in regard to his next move. The last time that happened with Abraham it started to look bleak for his firstborn.
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I hated the Championship with a passion. Thank fuck we are back in the PL.
Same here. If nothing else I'm looking forward to the match threads being a bit more lively because the games will be easier to see.
How so?
For those who don't go to games, like me, streams for Premier League games are everywhere. Not so much in the Championship. Feels like I've only seen a handful of games over the last three years.
Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.
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It will be weird watching Match of the Day for the first time in years...
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I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.
'Young and hungry' as it was implemented the last time was totally wrong and will fail again if we try the same thing with this board.
Bringing in young players of that ilk is fine, but the problem we had was that we relied on them - we just hoped they all magically came good, which is not a strategy, it's a route to nowhere but the Championship.
We also need to bring in some proven quality. If we had done that (and being managed by a total cock end didn't help, either) then maybe Veretout et al would have flourished with us. All i remember of his time here was him getting slaughtered for looking out of his depth - of course he was, he was dropped into a new league alongside a load of team mates who were also out of their depth.
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I would argue that players like Gueye or Veretout were acquired that way. The former who is now allegedly headed for PSG. That we had the most dysfunctional club in the world at the time derailed everything. I’m glad we are looking at targets that will fit the Dean Smith system irrespective of the level that they are at today. We need to look at established players as well as those with an eye to the future. Young and hungry was pathetic the last time we tried it. I just believe it might work under this management team and board.
'Young and hungry' as it was implemented the last time was totally wrong and will fail again if we try the same thing with this board.
Bringing in young players of that ilk is fine, but the problem we had was that we relied on them - we just hoped they all magically came good, which is not a strategy, it's a route to nowhere but the Championship.
We also need to bring in some proven quality. If we had done that (and being managed by a total cock end didn't help, either) then maybe Veretout et al would have flourished with us. All i remember of his time here was him getting slaughtered for looking out of his depth - of course he was, he was dropped into a new league alongside a load of team mates who were also out of their depth.
And a Manager who was as well. If you offered me Gueye and Veretout now I’d snap your hand off.
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James Tavernier. It will be a big step up for him after Rangers.
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It will be weird watching Match of the Day for the first time in years...
Same here. I have not watched it since our Rrrrrrr.
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Gueye was the only one that really looked a good player all the way through in fairness, and has done every since. Amavi got injured so early it was impossible to judge. The biggest issue though was that we tried to replace Benteke with Gestede and had a centre half pair of Richards and Lescott.
I actually think young and hungry is the way to go now, but mixed with the odd quality more experienced player and a genuine plan of how to play on the pitch. Example - Mings, Hause and Cahill would be a brilliant trio to get in at centre half, one young, one coming into his prime and one experienced that has still got plenty left.
In midfield we have McGinn and Grealish at 23-24 which is an ideal age. Adding a couple more players of a similar age but more combative might give us enough legs in there to cope. Our running stats the season we went down were pathetically bad, I would hope that the Villa team that go out there next season out run and out work most sides we play. Truly good sides work harder than the opposition even when they are better, it gives them an edge and Smith gets that clearly with the way we set up.
Maupay up top I have no issue with but a more experienced physical presence in the squad too would be very useful, when you look at what Murray has done for Brighton over the last 2 seasons it shows how vital a genuine goal scorer can be.
We could also do with a bit of flair in the wide areas, do the unexpected. The Brazilian guy West Ham bought last season was brilliant for them but cost £35 million. It is not a cheap place to be sadly. We also need to have an eye on building a side that can not only compete next season, but come back up easily if we go down.
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That AV Agent bloke on Twitter who doesn’t put out much and in fairness when he does gets most things right has stated Adomah is out. Which isn’t shocking. He is slowish now, getting older and slower and would be well out of his depth in the PL. So if true I’ll thank him for being a good servant to the club, played his part in us going up (that goal at Sheff Wed esp.) I’m also glad the club isn’t sitting around on these issues. I believe Dean Smith he’d be putting in a shift for the next two weeks before he goes away on holiday.
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Ps - we did young and hungry last time because Lerner has given up and we made do with what we had. And like others have suggested those players playing in a better environment would have done much better. But while we need to not only buy well with an eye to the future it cannot be our exclusive transfer strategy. We have to buy proven quality and we will likely smash our transfer record several times this season to that end.
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Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.
and cheaper too. It was £13 for AVTV and $5 for ESPN+ every month...NBC Premier League Pass was $49.99 for every EPL game not shown on NBCSN et al.
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Young and hungry are only two of the boxes to tick when we make a signing. Value for money, intelligence, whether they're a team player, how well they settle and above all quality should be considered just as much.
I wouldn't care if we bought someone old and hungry. Just as long as they improve the the squad, ideally the first team.
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
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Young and hungry, under Dean Smith, would be ok. Under Tactics Tim and a alcoholic (sorry Mr Wilkins), and some fat bloke who dished out the fitness, what did we expect? Totally different this time around and I doubt we are talking about under 21's. I expect they will be under 25's. Lolley is 26, so that is also ok.
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
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Goodbye albert
not renewing his contract
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It's quite a bif challenge
I'd expect something like:
Mings
AN other centre back. Tuanzebe ideally. But if not probably another athletic type. I wonder about konsa at brentford. Tho w were linked w van der horn. Don't think cahill would fit. Assume there are some other foreign options.
New left back - maybe Justin from Luton, or Henry, or targett. But not the highest priority for me as I think Taylor and hause could be OK there
New DM. Probably Hayden, or Phillips or this Spanish guy
El ghazi plus two more wingers. Lolley, kent, Bowen seem obvious options. Again I assume there are some foreign options too
One or maybe 2 new strikers. Say Maupay plus a more physical striker
I'd be happy w that. I think some will say its not ambitious enough (like they did w mings and hause). But the philosophy is going to be signing well scouted players we can improve.
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Mings
AN other centre back. Tuanzebe ideally. But if not probably another athletic type. I wonder about konsa at brentford. Tho w were linked w van der horn. Don't think cahill would fit. Assume there are some other foreign options.
New left back - maybe Justin from Luton, or Henry, or targett. But not the highest priority for me as I think Taylor and hause could be OK there
New DM. Probably Hayden, or Phillips or this Spanish guy
El ghazi plus two more wingers. Lolley, kent, Bowen seem obvious options. Again I assume there are some foreign options too
One or maybe 2 new strikers. Say Maupay plus a more physical striker
That's a huge amount of new players and very little Premiership experience (although I admit I'm not familiar with some of those names).
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I obviously want Mings. Tuanzebe would be great too, but can't see it. Anwar I'm not sure is a PL player (though he has potential). I like the sound of Maupay. I think that'd do me as far as Championship players go though.
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on the Sky ticker tape headlines for Aston Villa
Jack Grealish not interested in Sours
Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee
Villa interested in Lolley
for once I want to believe Sky sports
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Wes Edens made that comment after the win. Us in North America have it better than those in the UK because we get AVTV which is decent. Certainly better than some shit feed via Iraq. But now we will be shown every week in some capacity, live or great highlights on TV, online. There will be loads of coverage and options to see us play.
and cheaper too. It was £13 for AVTV and $5 for ESPN+ every month...NBC Premier League Pass was $49.99 for every EPL game not shown on NBCSN et al.
Another +1 not going to miss messing about with ESPN+
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Slightly worried that our targets all seem to come from the championship so far? But I guess it's only been a few days eh.
I'm sure we will have one or two PL type signings.
Can someone explain moneyball to me and how big do you reckon our 'warchest' will be this summer? I know the latter is basically just guessing but with the owners and everything I thought it'd be worth asking.
Moneyball is all about using stats and analytics to find players who are undervalued in the market. I think Kante was discovered by Leicester using stats and they got him cheap because he was playing for a small club in Ligue 1 (I think it was Caen which is where we've bought Guilbert from).
As for our budget I think it could be relatively large as our owners are loaded but I would still expect them to be careful with who they sign, rather than just throwing money at big names as Fulham did.
Thank you mate. I understand it now.
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Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee
In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.
Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
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Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee
In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.
Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.
They will be telling us next a pen may be involved at some point.
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Bournemouth will sell Tyrone Mings if clubs agree fee
In other news, Man City will sell Aguero if they agree a fee with someone and Liverpool will sell Salah if they agree a fee.
Thanks Sky Sports for explaining what a transfer deal is.
They will be telling us next a pen may be involved at some point.
y
Will you two stop pissing on my chips
I want to believe this stuff
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Harry Arter apparently linked by the Irish Independent. I know the name but I know nothing about him.
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I'd have Delph back if he's available.
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Arter, Whelan and Hourihane in midfield? No thanks, its hard enough watching them for Ireland.
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Arter, Whelan and Hourihane in midfield? No thanks, its hard enough watching them for Ireland.
To be fair, from the quote I saw on Twitter, the article said that Stoke and Fulham want him, but he'd be interested in coming to Villa.
I guess that's similar to my choice of dinner this evening being between a halloumi salad or spaghetti carbonara, but, truth be told, I'd be interested in a night on the tiles with Keith Richards circa 1980. I had the salad.
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I think Smith will want to avoid lots of changes if he can help it to preserve the spirit and momentum.
Shift those that have barely featured, or at the end of their contracts or not likely to be involved in the PL (Taylor), then secure those that were on loan this season that have performed well either on a permanent deal or another loan (Tuanzebe).
I would keep Tammy (if we have a choice) on a loan or for a sensible fee/wages though I might be tempted to play him as a wide forward rather than central striker/goalscorer. He claims it is his best position.
A bit like how we have used Kodjia, though a more regular starter (and assuming we move Kodjia on). Would also welcome Lolley if Smith and scouts think he adds quality and competition.
Not interested in Delph, Cahill, Young, or Beneteke - though I loved them all during their time at Villa (Though Delph made a real mess of his departure).
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I don't think we will go in for Cahill, not if we are lowering the overall age of the squad. I know he's a freebie but can't see it coming off.
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I wonder if Smith would want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.
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With all this talk about old boys who could come back and do a job, I note that Stewart Downing has been released by Boro...
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Kid can't hit a barn door though. He needs to go somewhere that he literally gets spoonfed chances to learn how to finish.
He's not that type of striker, he's a holder and someone who can create space for others. I'm not on about him being number 1 striker so that will be the one who will hopefully get 10-15 for us and keep us ticking over.
Wasn't the premier league top scorer on 21 goals last season? So you're talking about the elite ones barely getting over 20 now.
In any case I'd like to think the midfield can chip in with goals like they did in the championship.
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I wonder if Smith would want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.
You are joking! He is pants
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No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds
Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede
Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish
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I'd have Delph back if he's available.
Please no
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I'm really unsure about Maupay but I don't know what the options are really. The problem with football at the moment is that you have 10-15 clubs across Europe who are trying to sign any kid that looks capable of being a good player so all the 18-22 year old strikers who've hit double figures get linked with £50m moves to clubs like Real, Barca, Liverpool, Man City, etc.
Just find a decent one in europe is all we have to do. A Seb Haller at Frankfurt, a Ben Yedder at Sevilla. Wolves found Raul Jimenez from Benfica reserves after all. Frankfurt did pretty well picking up Jovic from there aswell given they're selling him to Real Madrid for 50m after one season.
It's a big wide world and we have the Spanish guy overseeing the scouting so I fully expect a decent foreign player or two to come in like El Ghazi last summer. Just going after domestic players is all a bit MON e.g. different era.
If we have to go for domestic option I wouldn't be against Rondon coming in. Did very well for Newcastle last year although guess he's waiting to see if their takeover happens.
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.
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Daily Mail reporting we are under a soft transfer embargo while the EFL investigates us for possible FFP breach. Wtf?
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No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds
Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede
Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish
Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !
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League Two side Cambridge United have signed Aston Villa striker Harvey Knibbs on a two-year contract.
The 20-year-old did not make a first-team appearance for the Villains, playing in the club's under-23 side.
U's boss Colin Calderwood worked with Knibbs when he was assistant manager at Villa Park under Steve Bruce.
"I'm quietly hoping he becomes something that no-one expects him to be," Calderwood told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
"I think he's going to get stronger and stronger and I like the fact that he really wanted to get himself sorted fairly quickly, and didn't hang about thinking there might be something higher up the pyramid."
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presumably this thread really is all speculation whilst under an embargo.
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presumably this thread really is all speculation whilst under an embargo.
Thats what every transfer thread is really. No-one really knows who is going to come in so it's speculation and suggestions.
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Is there any evidence that we are under embargo?
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Embargo?
That's news to me
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Reported by Sportsmail (DM) that we are under a soft embargo whatever that is whilst they conduct further investigations into FFP. Hopefully Gibson sour grapes Mk 2.
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They need to review FFP and how it is implemented otherwise they will get these kind of complaints from teams who didn’t go up every year. As far as I can tell the Premier League don’t give a monkeys, and there are no such financial restrictions in place once you go up, so it’s never going to work between the two leagues.
Purslow has repeatedly said that we are compliant with FFP as well, so someone is telling fibs.
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No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds
Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede
Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish
Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !
Seems daft now but back then, Grealish had just had a pretty poor season in the PL. He would have had to be in the team instead of Ayew who had been our player of the year the season before, McCormack who we'd just paid £12m for or Gestede who gave us a target point or physical presence. So perhaps not so mad.
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In all of the madness of the last few years, thank christ we binned Di Matteo as sharply as we did because he was fucking shite, an absolute charlatan.
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No reason apart from I thought it was interesting to look back at, our lineup for the first game we had at Sheff Weds
Gollini
Hutton
Elphick
Baker
Cissokho
Bacuna
Gardner
Westwood
Ayew
McCormack
Gestede
Substitutes
Richards
Okore
Tshibola
Green
Amavi
Bunn
Grealish
Bloody hell ! Jack couldn’t get in a midfield of Westwood, Barcelona’s most wanted and Small Heath’s finest ! Di Matteo should have been sacked before a ball was kicked !
there were plenty on here saying Jack offered nothing and would sell for a half decent fee and that was long after this as well
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Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was
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Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was
In fairness he did show a lot of promise until he got injured and he was out for a good while. Shoulder injury wasn't it?
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.
you might be right SHQ
Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .
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Okore . Always thought we had signed a top player . how wrong I was
In fairness he did show a lot of promise until he got injured and he was out for a good while. Shoulder injury wasn't it?
Cruciate I think.
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Gollini has just been called up to the full Italy squad
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I hope we added a £753 million clause if he gets called up. Will make up for the £8 trillion promotion bonus clause that Hibs and St Mirren fans seem to be expecting after McGinn got promoted.
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Gollini has just been called up to the full Italy squad
Glad that he's recovered from the trauma of playing behind Mad Tom when he'd completely lost it.
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Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.
Did he play under Deano at Brentford?
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Jota for our 15th choice midfielder is properly harsh on Small Heath.
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Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.
Did he play under Deano at Brentford?
Great post from a nose on SHA:
This just confirms to me that villa fans actually own our club and have done for the past 8 years. They installed Carson to front it, when we started doing well they sacked rowett and bought in zola and have been slowly pulling at the thread so we slowly unravel
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Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.
Did he play under Deano at Brentford?
Great post from a nose on SHA:
This just confirms to me that villa fans actually own our club and have done for the past 8 years. They installed Carson to front it, when we started doing well they sacked rowett and bought in zola and have been slowly pulling at the thread so we slowly unravel
It was probably a serious post too.
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Bluenose mate assures me this is happening - GG + a few million for him. Wide right, better option than Adomah/Green, can play at 10/8 if needed, Smith knows him really well from Brentford and will be able to get the best out of him. For the money seems relatively low risk?
They seem to rate him but Monk has played him wide in a 4-4-2 which is not where he's best - our system will suit him.
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Loving the updates on Jota's wiki 😂😂
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Is that the one who hit it out of the ground at The Sty the season before last?
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From the wiki page for Jota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jota_(Spanish_footballer):
Aston Villa
In May 2019, Jota moved from Birmingham to Villa with Gary 'the bluenose' Gardner going the other way. Jota knows Birmingham are pants and the city is ours
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Twitter rumours talking about Jota from the Rags. I guess Gardner and a packet of scratchings might be included.
Did he play under Deano at Brentford?
Yes he did. Sold him for £6m.
Personally, I think he's too inconsistent and therefor don't want him.
However, it sure feels good to get rid of Gardner
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I'll take this swap. Jota has potential and might be good. Gardner doesn't and won't be. If it doesn't work out, at least we've got rid of Gardner.
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Looked good at Brentford, not so good at you know where.
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One quote from SHA that I enjoyed:
"This is like swapping a rolls royce for a wheelbarrow"
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Nowhere near good enough for the PL
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One quote from SHA that I enjoyed:
"This is like swapping a rolls royce for a wheelbarrow"
Yeah, but a wheelbarrow is more use to an agricutural outfit
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Jota is an upgrade on both Green and Albert and for a few million quid plus someone who is shite, it's a steal. A good bit of early business.
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A bit underwhelming on the face of it - but in Deano we trust.
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Maupay to follow.
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I'm not sure if he's good enough, but for pure troll factor, us signing their best player is hilarious.
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Not excited by Jota. But that’s a good sign as I was over the moon with Micah Richards.
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Just as an individual talent he might not be much of a difference-maker, but hopefully as someone who knows the Deano MO he could help grease the wheels in our playing style overall.
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Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.
All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.
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Looked decent against us last season. Smith knows him, and must rate him as a good character to have in the squad. Better than Adomah.
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Jota? If he's better than Green then we've swapped a player we don't use for one that improves us.
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So much for a transfer embargo against us then
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We need top starting players but it will be critical to have a solid squad of the right type of players in ability and attitude for what will be tough first season back. Jota isn’t going to get us into the CL but he might contribute in key moments. And it fucks off the noses so win-win
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So much for a transfer embargo against us then
😂😂😂😂😂
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Maupay to follow.
Info or gut?
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Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.
All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.
Plus Gardner was on just over £20k a week! So for a diff of circa £15k a week its a good deal
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Their technically most-gifted player. Deano knows him from his Brentford days and will no doubt be able to get the best out of him. They get 35K a week off their wage bill. We get Gardner, who was never going to be anywhere near our first-team, off our books and bring in a player who at the least will be in the mix for a place in the 18.
All sounds good to me. Low cost and low risk. Squad strengthened.
Apparently Suso had him at a Spanish club too.
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Pleased with this. Thought he was the bomb at Brentford. Think he can step up.
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Looked decent against us last season. Smith knows him, and must rate him as a good character to have in the squad. Better than Adomah.
He was taken off at their shit hole wasn't he? Very underwhelming I must say, would have thought he was far too lightweight for the top division. Carles Gil comes to mind.
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Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.
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According to my Twitter feed, MOMS are saying medicals today for both players. I have no idea of the veracity of this, just thought I'd post it as I never have any ITK.
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If this happens it will be funny to watch the reactions of the fanbase - not necessarily on here - but expectations high that the rich owners can spend now the shackles of FFP are off and the first signing is a guy from Blues who didn't play much last year!!!
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The funniest part is we are giving them GG who is pish as the Scots might say.
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This is starting to remind me of the GT days.
Oh for a season like the last time we returned from the 2nd div. sighs whistfully
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Avoiding relegation in the last week?
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Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking
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Avoiding relegation in the last week?
*whispers*
Yeah, I'd probably take that right now.
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Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking
That was the season after.
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Did we not finish 2nd or is my memory lacking
That was the season after.
Must have been wiped from the memory banks, due to it being bad news. Sadly still can’t wipe O’Leary out though.
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Is there anything to this Jota rumour? All I’ve seen is a load of people getting excited on Twitter, people with “ITK” mates and the local press picking up on it all.
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Perhaps we can get Che Adams as well? Offer them £10-12m?
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We need better than Adams, unless he was just being signed as backup.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
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Some people just want to see the world burn.
I'd be up for that.
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Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.
Can’t help feeling if Gil had come here with Deano in charge it would have been a very different scenario
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
No, that particular ship has sailed.
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Reminds me of Carlos, as a squad player he'll be OK.
Can’t help feeling if Gil had come here with Deano in charge it would have been a very different scenario
yep and Amavi , Veretout and even Adama :)
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Don't forget Gana Gueye.
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If this swap + cash rumour for Jota is true, then my only concern would be if he is actually any good?
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Avoiding relegation in the last week?
*whispers*
Yeah, I'd probably take that right now.
We stay up, West Ham go down, plop hilariously fail to win the title again? Yeah, go on, I'm convinced, I'll have a bit of that.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
I would love to see the Benteke of 2012/13 lighting up Villa Park again but I think it's too late.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
I would love to see the Benteke of 2012/13 lighting up Villa Park again but I think it's too late.
I don't think he'd quite hit the same heights but I don't think he'd be a total failure either.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
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I'd forgotten about Gil, he had talent.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.
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I loved Benteke, but since leaving us he’s demonstrated nothing other than improving his bank balances and been a disaster for the clubs he’s played for. China is ideal for him
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If he was only interested in his bank balance, he'd already be in China.
We were a basket case, flirting with relegation, for most of the time he was here. Trying to insinuate that he only left to join Liverpool because of the financial incentives is disingenuous. I don't doubt he did get a pay rise, as any player leaving a relegation battler for a title challenger would do, but that doesn't mean he is motivated by greed any more than the hundreds of players we've signed from teams well below us in the league.
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I'm not sure if he's good enough, but for pure troll factor, us signing their best player is hilarious.
He's far from their best player. The front two have miles better seasons than he did.
Jota was superb at Brentford. He's a 10 and struggles out wide so I just think this will be squad backup and he'll come in if Jack is out injured again.
Edit: DS is a manager who likes signing players who've worked with him previously. Got in a couple at Walsall back six months after they left and at Brentford took Rico and Romaine Sawyers with him so guess he likes the familarity and players he knows can play his system. Wonder if Konsa might come in if we can't get Axel back.
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If Juicy-Bitch is one of their best players then it sums them up. 17 without a goal? Fucking shite.
He's going to look less effective shoe horned into an unbalanced and negative midfield, watching long balls sailing over his head.
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If Juicy-Bitch is one of their best players then it sums them up. 17 without a goal? Fucking shite.
He's going to look less effective shoe horned into an unbalanced and negative midfield, watching long balls sailing over his head.
He's never been a prolific scorer in his career. Think he got double figures and set up about 10 goals for Adams so yes good season.
I'd actually say it's a decent deal for SHA. Jota has never really fitted into their agricultural style while pretty sure their win percentage shot up whenever Gardner played. Obviously lost both teams to us when he couldn't play. He had a good season for them and mid table championship is his level.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.
Both of them were great. Neither of them could do what Benteke could do at his very best. Just look back at the variety of goals he’s scored for us and even since. He was simply outrageous at times. That said he’s no longer that player. It’s time to move on.
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The money we'd have to pay for him, in the hope that we could get him back to his best, which may not even be possible, makes it a non-starter for me.
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100% no to Benteke or any old player returning, with the possible exception of Milner, if he halved his wages and was happy to play DM
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It's a no from me as well. Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Gray and Withe were better ... and I saw both of those down Villa Park. Let’s think forward not about the past.
The key point here is "...best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt". Not that he was the best, just the best in recent memory - many of us didn't see 'the greats', but we've seen plenty of non-starters recently though and there's no denying CB was brilliant for us.
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It's a no from me as well. Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.
Apart from Sid !
Don't think we will go in for him anyway.
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To be clear, I wasn't saying we should sign him, just replying to the previous post as to why many would consider it.
However, if we could strike a favourible loan I'd be tempted. He seemed to work well with Jack in the short time they had together.
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I'd be up for a loan, too. That's pretty low risk. If he isn't any good, he goes back. If he is... well, we all know how good he can be.
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100% no to Benteke or any old player returning, with the possible exception of Milner, if he halved his wages and was happy to play DM
I'd have Milner back for that reason. Maybe young if he reduced his wages by 80% - can see him back at Watford
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Christian Benteke is a no did really well for us but I can remember the problems whilst playing for us with his agent, he also went stale whilst here & Sherwood had to put his area round him to get him back on board which he did. So the baggage was too much in the end.
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Sherwood had to put his area round him to get him back on board which he did.
Urgh. Poor Benteke.
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Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
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Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
Well there hasn't been a treasure trove to pick from, has there?
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Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
McLeish? 😱
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Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
McLeish? 😱
Don't say his name ffs, the trees will wither and the skies will turn grey.
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Jota in and Gary Gardner is heading in the opposite direction...according to the Villa View. (done deal)
Also, James Justin may not be coming to us but our number one target King Tyrone Deon Mings is a done deal (10m plus add on)
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Jota - First signing from SHA since Alan Curbishley?
And that was a swap as well for that bell end Robert Hopkins
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Jota seems a pretty innocuous but potentially very useful signing for very little. Also means if we were to go down in 12 months time, and Jack goes, Dean Smith has the number 10 that was dynamite for him at Brentford, just with better players around him. I would imagine the wage difference between him and Gardner is negligible and the 2-3 million going the other way will be partly made up of the writing off the wages Blues didn't pay towards Gardner this season I read. Put it like this, we are completely clueless in that role when Jack is out, so at least we have something creative there now. And while he isn't great out wide, he still got 11 assists last season for Blues.
I also saw a snippet that Justin is going to Stoke - haven't they got his old boss?
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We're not going down!!
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.
you might be right SHQ
Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .
If we sign Lolley and El Ghazi to play with Grealish and McGinn we would need a holding midfielder like Drinkwater for some balance. Unless we are going to gamble by continuing to alternate between Hotlips and Whelan.
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Maupay and Lolley would be a good start to this window. Sign-up Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe then that'll have been a decent August window
That to me is the minimum to stand still, we need more
Tiernay , Drinkwater and Saïd Benrahma as well
Would stay well away from Drinkwater. Issues off the pitch and hasn't played for a year which is very similar to Sidwell when he joined us. Players lose a bit of desire when they've been in that situation.
you might be right SHQ
Leicester fans tell me he was brillliant for them and a great passer but maybe he has lost his mojo If so Kalvin Philips instead and add that Luton lad as well for the future .
If we sign Lolley and El Ghazi to play with Grealish and McGinn we would need a holding midfielder like Drinkwater for some balance. Unless we are going to gamble by continuing to alternate between Hotlips and Whelan.
I think he might want to revert to 4-2-3-1 next season, the system he played at Brentford (I think).
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The Jota deal, if it happens, makes me think of when Liverpool signed Shakiri. Not necessarily something you would think of but could be very useful in tight games when we’re struggling to break someone down.
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It's a no from me as well. Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.
That’s why a 12 month loan with option at end. I’m sure Palace want rid and he’d jump at chance of coming back.
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It's a no from me as well. Great player in his day, but taking a player and hoping he'll get back to his previous best doesn't often work out that well.
That’s why a 12 month loan with option at end. I’m sure Palace want rid and he’d jump at chance of coming back.
Why the fuck wouldn't he, we're a premier League club after all. Still a no from me, he had his chance, spurned it and fucked off so now he can do one. That is of course he wants to come back.
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Benteke would jump at a chance to come back provided we paid him £££. Wouldn't want him either way tbh.
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Benteke doesn't strike me as a Dean Smith player. Part of me would like him back, but the rest is saying 'fuck him and his tiny ears'.
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Benteke doesn't strike me as a Dean Smith player. Part of me would like him back, but the rest is saying 'fuck him and his tiny ears'.
Haha
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The Benteke thread on the Palace message board reads much like our Micah Richards one.
One guy is even joking the club should pay somebody to knock him off.
130k p/w...I’d remember the good times and forget about a transfer.
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I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog shit ruined him.
In Dean we trust I suppose
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I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog shit ruined him.
In Dean we trust I suppose
He may be the example of what we'll get this summer: players whom Smith knows and believes can be shaped into the style of play he wants to develop for the team. I know very little about Jota and so cannot comment on his capablity: I'm just enjoying the positivity and anticipatory tingle of a new season in Big League.
Leftback, striker and CMF are the critical positions to fill, after having got our loanees signed up.
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Deano has worked with Jota before - he signed him. I remember Jota giving our defence the runaround in the 3-0 loss at Brentford on the last day of the window in January 2017. The night we signed Scott Hogan!
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Would Benteke be a decent shout? Season long loan with option to buy?
Why? Just, why?
Because he was the best centre forward many of us had seen in a Villa shirt?
Perhaps I should explain my slightly-dismissive questioning post.
Benteke was fantastic when he was with us - a young, inexperienced but enthusiastic striker with great physical attributes and an eye for goal. The 6-1 vs sunderland was a game that still lives with me as a 'great'.
Fast-forward to now: he looks burned out; a shell of his former understated dominance; his on-the-ball skills have become stumbles; his eye for goal seems blinded.
Also, was he a good influence in the dressing room? - I seem to remember lots of player-issues during his time with us; but, maybe, that's my failing memory.
That was all.
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I actually think he’s a shell of his former self, because everywhere his been since us he’s not been loved. I honestly think if we could do a 12 month loan ( but not for stupid wages) it would be worth it. Anyway, apologies for bringing it up, despite being a member of this forum for many years, I don’t really put anything controversial for fear of looking like a dick.
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I find the Jota signing a bit strange. If he could not cut it in championship not sure why we think he can in the premiership.
Hopefully it is that he is the next David Silva waiting to happen and it's just that the dog shit ruined him.
In Dean we trust I suppose
Jota got 10 assists in a team that scored 20 less goals than we did. Only one less than Hourihane
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anyone not thinking this is a smart piece of business for a squad player who improves the strength of the squad needs their bumps feeling.
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Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.
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Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.
In this case though, it's a clear back-up option for Jack, which was needed. We aren't going to get someone of Jack's quality who is then happy to sit on the bench for most of the season.
Which U23 player do you think is ready to be a back-up for Jack in the Premier League?
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Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.
Given the experienced backups that have already left, McCafu, Jedi and Mad Tom; of course Villa need to buy squad players. None of the U23s have exactly torn it up whilst out in loan. The best of the bunch was Andre and he didn’t look anything special in the second half of the season.
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Relying on the kids if we pick up injuries, or expecting all of our first choice eleven to play thirty-five plus games, would be madness.
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If Jota is the first one through the door that doesn't mean it was a priority it just means his signing was the easiest deal to do.
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If Jota is the first one through the door that doesn't mean it was a priority it just means his signing was the easiest deal to do.
Possibly something that was lined up already regardless of what division Villa would be in.
Championship = replacement for Jack
Premier League = backup for Jack
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Building the squad for the European challenge in 2020/21
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Should we be buying squad players though?
Should be buying first team strength and using the u/23's as backup.
Give Deano a chance! I'm sure deals are being lined up including experience. If we can't get Tuanzebe back, Cahill would be perfect alongside Tyrone. Cahill is right-footed to compliment Tyrone's left foot. The balance is important. Hause will be signed I'm sure.
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Jota has the technique for the top level and knows how to play in a Dean Smith way. As Grealish's under study, for £5m or whatever, it would be a decent move. I'd also like to see Callum O'Hare get a Ch'ship loan move to see if he can get closer to the role Jota may take for now.
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.
We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
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Think jota is coming as a winger, not a direct sub for Jack. Can't imagine him playing as an 8
With cahill, my main concern is whether he's got the pace to play a high press
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
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I'd be surprised if Jota isn't being brought in with the idea that he'll be able to play in a few positions (7, 8, 10 even) but pretty much the same role wherever he is: quick interplay with Jack, incision in the inside forward sort of areas, press snappily off the ball.
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
I tend to agree with this. Plus, he's 28 in a couple of weeks so it's not as if he's one for the future.
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
No just few bits and bobs being cemented together at the moment.
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I actually think he’s a shell of his former self, because everywhere his been since us he’s not been loved. I honestly think if we could do a 12 month loan ( but not for stupid wages) it would be worth it. Anyway, apologies for bringing it up, despite being a member of this forum for many years, I don’t really put anything controversial for fear of looking like a dick.
No apology needed. Were all friends here 😉 Its an interesting idea. His career has pretty much hit a wall since his heydays at Villa Park. His agent has screwed up his career on the pitch by lining his own pockets. Sure Benteke has made fortunes but that would of happened anyway. If that agent is still around i doubt we would be willing to deal with him. Having said all that its down to Dean & co whether they see him as someone who would fit our plans. Sort of "a prodigal son returning home" Personally i doubt it.
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
No just few bits and bobs being cemented together at the moment.
I don't think anything is set in stone at this early stage.
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
He wasn't great at the sty but that place could suck the life out of anyone. Did you not see him for Brentford under Deano? Tore us a new one several times.
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If Jota is essentially a swap with Gardner I can see the sense.
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Is there anything concrete info wise on Jota?
I wasn’t at all impressed with him in the Championship and it’s a massive step up.
I tend to agree with this. Plus, he's 28 in a couple of weeks so it's not as if he's one for the future.
Based on his Blues performances sure, but as we saw dramatically with Gana, Veretout etc there can be a lot of reasons why a player doesn't look individually good in any given season - the club, the style, the teammates, the coach, any of it can make the difference. I'm not sure many on here would've given Hourihane much of a chance of making the Premier League grade, but after working with Deano he looks like he's got a chance. Jota also seems to have flourished on the right environment with Deano, so I'm willing to give him a chance.
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I can see the logic of signing Jota if it is a way to get Gardner off the books, whilst bringing in a more useful squad player. I can’t help thinking that he would have broken through at a higher level by the age of 28 if he was good enough. It’s a tricky balance, the need to raise the overall quality of the squad whilst not introducing too many unknown quantities (a la Fulham).
On the Gueye/ Veretout/ Amavi/ Traore point; two players who will probably play in the CL final tonight got relegated with Newcastle the same year we went down. They were both a bit further along in their careers, internationals who were sold for big money.
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Jota under Smith. Yes.
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I'd be fairly confident that no matter who he signs, Smith will get the best out of them. He's that kind of coach.
Anyway, his priority seems to be signing players with the right attitude, so no Billy big bollocks. Suits me.
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Benteke can fuck off along with Delph, Bacuna, Amavi, Lescott et al ad nauseum
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.
We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.
We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.
Wasn't impressed with him last year, not going on loan and sitting on bench doing zilch at Chelsea. Legs are gone and I expect Smith needs a better ball player too. Avoid.
I wouldn't have been happy getting in Jota even if we were staying in the second tier. Che Adams would be far better if we have to deal with them.
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Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far? Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now. Just curious.
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.
We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.
I don't think we'll be signing anybody who's on the way down.
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Jota has signed according to the Mail.
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Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far? Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now. Just curious.
Not that I can see from the most cursory of Google, but I think there's no doubt he's looked abroad on terms of learning his views on playing style, so combined with Pitarch I'm hoping it'll be fine.
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I will put my money in Jota looking a million times better with us than with the shit. Let’s face it. If John McGinn looked the player he looks with us right now he wouldn’t have been with us to begin with. He was great under Bruce and has been nothing short of magnificent under Smith. Players change with their environment and that place would ruin any career. Much as former PL Villa ruined many careers. Jota will do well when he plays and we will buy many better players over the summer.
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I really dont think Cahill will come Dean is offloading the older guys and wants a younger vibrant team he is 33 now.His wages would be a problem too.
Pretty much this. I can't see any logic in signing a Cahill, at his age and with his wage.
We need to be finding the next Cahill, Benteke, Young, Milner (already found) etc
I wouldn’t mind taking Cahill for his PL experience alone. Plus he’s 33, which isn’t ancient in this day and age.
33? The last centre-half we picked up on a free from Chelsea was 36, and he did OK. The Prem is different to the Championship though, obviously, but I doubt he'd be first-choice and if the money was OK I'd be comfortable with him being one of our 4 first-team centre-halves.
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Can't say I was impressed the bit I saw of Jota last season, didn't know he only scored 3 goals in 40 apps last season, not exactly great for an attacking midfielder. Dean obviously knows him well, so will trust his opinion.
According to Wiki he is now a Villa player, not heard this from anywhere else.
Wiki now saying still a Blues player.
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With Elphick gone and Chester seriously injured, Cahill could still do a job in the squad as long as his wages were realistic. Mings, Hause, Axel and Cahill would be a very decent set of CBs to get us through the season (if we can sign them!).
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Chester is now fit
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I'd happily have Cahill for a season. With bolstering needed in so many positions, we can't afford to outlay big fees for more than one CB. Cahill and Mings together would be smart business.
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Chester is now fit
Chester said something like, I will give it a go next season and see how it is, regarding how chronic the injury is.
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No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
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Chester is now fit
Apologies. I must have misread that article that said he was out of the playoff final squad due to his knee injury. Pretty sure it said that he may never fully recover and will have to be managed. I obviously hope he can make a full recovery, returns to full fitness and can play for us again.
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No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
The odd one or two I wouldn't mind, some Premier League experience, maybe even international experience, could be invaluable, but definitely not more than one or two.
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Chester is now fit
No he isn't, he doesn't even know if he'll be ready for next season.
The break over the summer will hopefully do me well and I can come back and give it a go next season.
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I stand corrected. I thought he was back in training but just not match fit. Makes me want to stay fuck off Bruce yet again. Instead of bringing in an injured Bolasie for £72k a week we could have signed another CB.
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No to Cahill, it’s no longer the philosophy of the Football club to buy old players with absolutely no sell on, on huge wages.
Absolutely, and the same goes for Benteke, this is not how we do it anymore.
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If we do sign him, as looks likely, then I'll be pleased we're getting stuff done early. It used to drive me mad under O'Neill that we used to leave it so late.
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Fuck wasn't that the worst. Everything was the very last minute with MON.
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Being reported as done
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Being reported as done
What is?
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Whelan deserved another 1 year extension. You need some experience as a back up particularly as the Premier League is a big step up in class. Would really like to see Cahill signed - he now has vast experience of this league. A two-year deal on the right wages would make sense.
Villa need to be careful cutting the squad so quickly before replacements are signed. A lesson is Steve Bruce's cutting the defence last August before securing replacement defenders. Look where that ended up!
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Most news outlets saying Jota has signed for four million with Gardner going to Small Heath. Some stories about Maupay being the next one in.
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I feel assured by this current regime that in letting Whelan in particular go, that homework has been done and an adequate/upgrade has been sourced and is in the queue just waiting to sign. I feel sure that the scattergun approach to transfer activity is a thing of the past. Transfers will be players that fit the style and character required of Smith's teams. Long may it continue.
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I feel assured by this current regime that in letting Whelan in particular go, that homework has been done and an adequate/upgrade has been sourced and is in the queue just waiting to sign. I feel sure that the scattergun approach to transfer activity is a thing of the past. Transfers will be players that fit the style and character required of Smith's teams. Long may it continue.
Yep. I feel more optimistic and excited about this summer than any for a long time. I have a slight feeling of that summer under Brian Little as a kid where every time I got home and switched on teletext we had a new exciting signing, not necessarily a big name, but someone interesting. Was it Savo, Draper and Southgate all within a couple of weeks or something like that?
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Whelan? Nah.
Did a decent job when called on, but it's clear that we're moving on and there's no room for sentiment when your next priority is Premier League survival.
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That little lot must free up £400/£500k per week.
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I agree that this has all been planned well in advance. I'd even imagine there was a Plan A: we get promoted; Plan B: we don't.
Whilst it might not necessarily pan out, I get the sense that the club want the first team squad all in place by the time pre-season training begins.
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Whelan? Nah.
Did a decent job when called on, but it's clear that we're moving on and there's no room for sentiment when your next priority is Premier League survival.
Thought he'd perhaps done enough, but Stoke decided his premier league days were over two years ago.
Another factor in all these releases to consider, is that none of them are Dean Smith's players. It just sometimes seemed like they were because of what a great job he did with them.
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I'd rather have a right-footed Tyrone Mings than Cahill...and this is a little contentious, but I have no interest in Axel as our starting right-sided central defender. He is quick and great on the floor (except in the Derby box at Wembley !) but he does not dominate in the air. He may be able to improve, but I wouldn't trust him at PL level in our first season back.
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Regarding the plan A and B thing. During the interview with Deano and Purslow, they stated that there were two plans drawn up for two different secnario's to facilitate whatever division we would be playing in. Over the last twelve months this club has been dragged into the twenty-first century.
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Thank god we don't have to see Plan B in action. At the very least, it would have had selling Jack and not keeping Mings at its core.
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I'd rather have a right-footed Tyrone Mings than Cahill...and this is a little contentious, but I have no interest in Axel as our starting right-sided central defender. He is quick and great on the floor (except in the Derby box at Wembley !) but he does not dominate in the air. He may be able to improve, but I wouldn't trust him at PL level in our first season back.
Axel will become a great defender, still a bit inexperienced but has pace, composure and can play although probably needs to bulk up a little bit, no hesitation in buying/loaning him. Cahill I don't have a problem with under the right wages for a two year spell.
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Most news outlets saying Jota has signed for four million ...
Whilst his Blues days weren't very productive, his record at Brentford was impressive - 23 goals in 69 games.
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I'm OK with Jota, having a core of players who have done the business for Smith in the past and understand his way of working helps us build the squad with the right attitude, etc.
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Our final memories of Whelan will be really positive. Had he stayed another year at PL level they wouldn’t have been. It’s right to let him go.
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Still no official confirmation of Jota signing?
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When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.
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When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.
Indeed, though it does confirm my feeling that the Jota deal was in both plans.
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By take stock he would have meant the PL path and what that now entails. They can now consider their options and he alluded to the fact that the club will be inundated by agents offering players. But I think this portion of it was already in place. The players being let go were always going to be let go. There has been no sentiment show less than a week after the win. And Jota was clearly already lined up with the noses. They need the money, he wanted Jota.
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When Purslow said it was time to pause and take stock before acting, I assumed things would go quiet for a while like they normally do this time of year. If deals start to happen this early, I can only assume he meant something else. It would be refreshing to get a chunk of our business done early though.
Indeed, though it does confirm my feeling that the Jota deal was in both plans.
I can only come to that conclusion too. Could also speculate that since it's gone quiet about the Luton lad that he was in plan B but not plan A.
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If a deal is to he done, take it. £4m to act as back up in the supporting attacking 3 is decent.
Key positions for quality are forward, creative player, defensive midfielder and centre halves. 5 players there and we still need a left back and other squad players, of which Jota is one.
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Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far? Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now. Just curious.
Since 2016 Brenford have signed:
Emmanuel Ledesma (DS had him at Walsall)
Florian Jozefzoon
Sergi Canos (2.5m)
Henrik Dalsgaard
Kamhelo Mokojto
Naul Maupay (1.8m)
Mads Sorensen
Said Benherama
Julian Jenevier
So quite a few although general Brentford model is to sign majority of players without head coach input and then he has to coach them into effective unit.
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Does Dean have much of a track record of signing overseas players or has he mainly bought UK-based players so far? Obviously he's spent most of his career in the lower leagues so the opportunities may not have been as plentiful as they are now. Just curious.
Since 2016 Brenford have signed:
Emmanuel Ledesma (DS had him at Walsall)
Florian Jozefzoon
Sergi Canos (2.5m)
Henrik Dalsgaard
Kamhelo Mokojto
Naul Maupay (1.8m)
Mads Sorensen
Said Benherama
Julian Jenevier
So quite a few although general Brentford model is to sign majority of players without head coach input and then he has to coach them into effective unit.
Cheers. I'll be honest, Maupay is the only one I've heard of.
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Jozefzoon came on as sub for Derby on Monday.
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I've never understood or like the idea of a club buying players without the head coach/manager's input. just seems wrong and I hope it's not a road we go down.
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It's also not true. He had an input into who Brentford signed, as did others, after the recruitment team identified them.
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I've never understood or like the idea of a club buying players without the head coach/manager's input. just seems wrong and I hope it's not a road we go down.
I imagine he had input in likes of Romaine Sawyers and Rico Henry who were with him at Walsall.
It's the way Brentford do things, they appoint head coaches and then use the moneyball system to sign young players in areas HC wants to improve using all sorts of data.
Guess it's a mix of what we did in summer 2015 and also allowing Sherwood his own picks of Lescott, Richards and Gestede.
I'll leave everyone to decide which idea was better.
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*sigh* it's sabermetrics not moneyball.
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*sigh* it's sabermetrics not moneyball.
Last time I believe the Torygraph then!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/03/brentford-defy-championship-rivals-bigger-budgets-punch-weight/
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For some reason the media seem to think they're the same thing, or that scouting young players to make a profit on is also moneyball. Using data to identify players is sabermetrics and has been around long before moneyball. Which was identifying undervalued players that could do a specific job (it was OBP for the A's) that you (well Billy Beane) valued really high but other teams didn't. Beane would have signed an 80 year old if he could get on base and was cheap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics
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I understand it as;
Sabremetrics- what Baseball is about and always has been. A huge tug over stats and data to identify the players you need.
Applied in football was perhaps Downing and Caroll signing for Liverpool with most crosses and most headers identified.
Moneyball is more a thematic strategy of buying what you want and selling what you dont need based on the sabremetric applied in analysis of your squad.
For Beane and the Oakland A's that was a focus on OBP that had been overlooked, so he was able to trade out more obvious stars who didn't conform to this.
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I vote we rechristen sabremetrics as numberwang
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I vote we call it sabermetrics as it has nothing to do with swords ;D
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Villa Report saying Abraham can return but only on a permanent deal. We are also looking at Roofe apparently.
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I make that link number 301, not even a week after the final.
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Why is everyone so salty towards Gary Gardener - did he follow his older brother and stake his allegiance to the rags?
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Apparently Villa interested in Kemar Roofe from Leeds
Presumably to put up top over Hause
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SIGN TAMMY
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Tammy as a lone striker in the premier league would struggle I think.
As an inside forward off a target man and he would be very effective I reckon.
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Tammy as a lone striker in the premier league would struggle I think.
As an inside forward off a target man and he would be very effective I reckon.
Even if the formation is one at the front, that is never the case on the pitch in a Dean Smith team when we are attacking. As the great theorists of socialist revolution stated, there is a dialectical relationship between form and content.
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Apparently Villa interested in Kemar Roofe from Leeds
Presumably to put up top over Hause
Yes brother!
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McEachran on a free?
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For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.
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For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.
That's where I am too. Cue me posting that he should fuck off back to Walsall, and that he can take that bluenose c*** Jota with him when he does!
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For the first time in years, I'm actually trusting the managers judgement. If Tammy signs good. If he doesn't it's ok. Dean will sort it.
That's where I am too. Cue me posting that he should fuck off back to Walsall, and that he can take that bluenose c*** Jota with him when he does!
You own the right to slag him as required. I'm giving him 4...maybe 5 games next season. We better be top.
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We need 4 CB's. Chester will just be a back-up option. Hopefully Hause and Mings are signed this week. I'd take Cahill for his PL experience, and he's still a very good defender. Then maybe a promising prospect from the lower leagues to bring on with JT's help and guidance.
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I'd be over the moon with Tammy coming back
Look at the Premier League top scorers list, so many have come from the Championship
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There is only two; Vardy and Wilson. Both have pace and play off the shoulder.
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Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too
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And Troy Deeney.
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Is there anyone we have not been linked to since we got promoted?
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Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too
And Troy Deeney.
OK but who else? ;D
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Is there anyone we have not been linked to since we got promoted?
Troy Deeney
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Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland
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Murray, King, Barnes and Perez too
Not in the top ten there isn't.
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Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland
At this rate we will singlehandedly fix our neighbours FFP problems - if I remember correctly last summer they were relying on Stoke selling Butland for the sell on clause.
I’d happily take Butland as first choice with Nyland/Steer fighting it out as number two if Kalinic is to be sent out on loan / sold.
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Papertalk that Kalinic maybe off and we want a new keeper. If so, let’s go to stoke and get Butland
SHA get 20% of the transfer fee....
I find Butland a tad overrated tbh, his kicking is as bad as Guzan on an average day.
Think Neil Etheridge will be on our radar. Worked with DS and Cutler at Walsall and had a very good season for Cardiff, 11 clean sheets and saved three penalties.
Sure he'll be available for 6/7m so 20m cheaper than Butland aswell.
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Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.
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Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.
Cutler is the best goalkeeping coach we've had since Paul Barron in the 90s imo. If it's his opinion that Jed may struggle in premier league if he makes a few errors early on that should be respected.
I'd feel more comfortable having an experienced premier league number one in our ranks, we simply don't atm.
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For some reason the media seem to think they're the same thing, or that scouting young players to make a profit on is also moneyball. Using data to identify players is sabermetrics and has been around long before moneyball. Which was identifying undervalued players that could do a specific job (it was OBP for the A's) that you (well Billy Beane) valued really high but other teams didn't. Beane would have signed an 80 year old if he could get on base and was cheap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics
Are Villa signing Kevin Youkilis - The Greek God of Walks. Good news if they are, I already have two jerseys with his name on
(https://alchetron.com/cdn/kevin-youkilis-4eed78ab-6089-49d1-8744-536d788b7b5-resize-750.jpeg)
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Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.
I agree it would be harsh. We have other priority areas for sure. Let's fill those, and if by some miracle we still have some money left over and there is a viable option, then we can consider a GK.
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Bit harsh on Steer to look for a new keeper. If we do, we'll have a very different side by the season starts.
Cutler is the best goalkeeping coach we've had since Paul Barron in the 90s imo. If it's his opinion that Jed may struggle in premier league if he makes a few errors early on that should be respected.
Is that his opinion though?
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Is there anyone who hasn't played for Dean Smith that we've been linked to since we got promoted?
FTFY
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I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.
Anyone punt on Milner too?
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If we can't get Axel, what about a bid for Tomori from Chelsea? He's young, quick and energetic. Possibly worth £10m
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I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.
Anyone punt on Milner too?
I'd have no problem with those two. I also wouldn't mind Delph if he made the right kind of mea culpa.
However, I suspect that Jimmy will still be wanted at Plop
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Milner, Delph, Cahill, Benteke - why not Barry and Gueye as well, we can finally qualify for the champions league in 2015.
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I'd take Cahill back on a free transfer.
Anyone punt on Milner too?
I can’t understand why we would even think bout Cahill v age and salary. That’s going against what we are trying to achieve now isn’t it ?
Yes he was good here first time around
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We need to look forward not back. Those players are gone and all are on massive contracts.
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Milner, Delph, Cahill, Benteke - why not Barry and Gueye as well, we can finally qualify for the champions league in 2015.
Super Marc Albrighton. Although I seriously would bring him back.
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We need to look forward not back. Those players are gone and all are on massive contracts.
Forget that they used to play for Villa; what's wrong with bringing in one or two experienced Premier League players.
Milner's just played in the Champions League Final. I can't see how he'd be anything other than a beneficial signing.
I'll concede that Cahill and Delph are more complicated decisions but I don't think that the idea of signing them can be rejected out of hand.
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Milner is an exceptional pro and can easily hold his own in Prem
Cahill is because he has worked with Terry for so long - agree he would have to take massive pay cut.
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Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?
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Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?
And in addition, this is Steve Bruce thinking. Buy them ready made, good to have around the place, don't need any coaching, you have to pay top dollar for lads like that etc etc. That isn't us anymore.
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I hope what we are trying to achieve in our transfer deals is sustainability,taking the club forward year after year.It makes sense to reduce the age of the squad and buy younger quality players on sensible wages who we can sell on if some of them become surplus to requirements ,rather than subsidising their wages at another club as we have had to do too often in the recent past.
That said,it would be churlish not to take advantage of the free transfer market if it means that we can acquire excellent players like Cahill and Milner.
In a similar vein ,would Joe Hart be a good purchase,relatively young for a keeper at 32 ?
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Milner is an exceptional pro and can easily hold his own in Prem
Cahill is because he has worked with Terry for so long - agree he would have to take massive pay cut.
The PL is very tough. A couple of experienced heads would be useful.
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I hope what we are trying to achieve in our transfer deals is sustainability,taking the club forward year after year.It makes sense to reduce the age of the squad and buy younger quality players on sensible wages who we can sell on if some of them become surplus to requirements ,rather than subsidising their wages at another club as we have had to do too often in the recent past.
That said,it would be churlish not to take advantage of the free transfer market if it means that we can acquire excellent players like Cahill and Milner.
In a similar vein ,would Joe Hart be a good purchase,relatively young for a keeper at 32 ?
Joe Hart isn't good enough for Burnley. No thanks.
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From our 2015 intake Amavi and Gana would walk back into our team, DM and left back are serious positions we need to upgrade.
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If one of these megabuck players said I really want to play for Aston Villa and prepared to take be flexible around terms then I am sure Smith would be interested. As opposed to hiding behind an agent and acting like they will be doing us a favor by signing.
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Guys, Milner doesn't 'hold his own' and neither does Cahill (though he is rather diminished) - like Delph, they're on monster contracts at Champions League clubs. By all means let's focus on them as players rather than on their Villa connections - without the latter, what do we think would compel them to come to Villa next season?
And in addition, this is Steve Bruce thinking. Buy them ready made, good to have around the place, don't need any coaching, you have to pay top dollar for lads like that etc etc. That isn't us anymore.
Exactly. Let's play to our strengths, which appear to be coaching rather than bottomless resources.
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Leave the relics in their place. We go forward not backwards.
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Some talk this morning of us being after a new keeper. I can only see that happening if Steer falls short of the incredible standards he has set himself. With Kalinic and Nyland on the books I don’t think it is at all a priority. I believe Dean will give Steer every chance to succeed.
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Are there any players worth going for out of the relegated sides? Saw the Cardiff GK mentioned earlier, think I'd decline their left back though!
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The Cardiff keeper would be a good shout, defensive stability comes from having a sound keeper. I don't think any of the three we have are dependable. It's harsh on Steer but that's life....
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The Cardiff keeper impressed me a lot last season to be fair. Although I do rate Steer.
Transfer rumour of the day regarding us today appears to be Rangers' James Tavernier.
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Smith spent £7m on Kalinic. It would be very odd if he gave up on him so fast?!
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I've lost track here folks. How many have we let go so far and were they all out of contract ?
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Smith spent £7m on Kalinic. It would be very odd if he gave up on him so fast?!
I get the feeling he didn't like Lovre deciding to go off at half time v West Brom. Wasn't a big injury or anything as he was back on the bench at Stoke the next weekend.
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He had a concussion. There’s a protocol to follow and they would have followed it. And had he gone back on and it had got worse or he’d made mistakes he’d have been criticized for it. I can’t imagine Dean Smith holding that against him. Then after that he got that knee injury which allowed Steer to cement the position.
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From our 2015 intake Amavi and Gana would walk back into our team, DM and left back are serious positions we need to upgrade.
I don't want any of the players in that shitehwak Villa team that go relegated coming back thanks very much. That really was the worst team I can remember - utterly bereft of anything likeable.
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And no more yellow away kits. Nothing screamed cowards more than that Villa team embarrassing the club in those colours.
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And no more yellow away kits. Nothing screamed cowards more than that Villa team embarrassing the club in those colours.
Mine makes a good cycling top.
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Quite agree. What could an all round great guy who just played for the winning team in the Champion's League possibly offer us? The vast majority of new players should be younger, cheaper, part of the future not the past etc, but if anyone thinks that James Milner would be anything other than a massive asset to us next season, they need to reconnect with reality. Think John Terry last season. And he was a fuckwitt with no Villa history.
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When we arrived back in Liverpool there was a huge crowd to greet us. I said to Mo, Were you expecting this welcome home? He said Yes James, I was. I said Ok.
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I haven't seen anyone suggest that Milner wouldn't be a fantastic signing, but I (and others) think there is no chance of it happening given the prospect of him playing a significant part for Red Scouse next season.
I would not go for Cahill given his likely wages (as little or no transfer fee) and we cannot really make an assessment on his sharpness, pace and fitness. He has made only two PL appearances this season and one of them was a two minutes subs appearance as a 'goodbye' at Stamford Bridge at the end of the season.
Benteke is in the last year of his contract (as per a Palace fan in the pub the other day) so they will not loan him out and he is too much of a risk to buy in my opinion. I'm also not sure he is a good fit for how Smith plays.
Also not interested in most other previous players linked, i.e. Delph, Young, Barry (!).
I would be delighted to see Gueye and/or Albrighton back - though neither have been linked and are highly unlikely to happen.
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I would take Cahill.
We do need experienced heads who can actually still contribute which is why Jedinak and Whelan were released.
Wolves signed Moutinho last year who was 32 and he was one of best deep lying midfielders in the league.
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I would take Cahill.
We do need experienced heads who can actually still contribute which is why Jedinak and Whelan were released.
Wolves signed Moutinho last year who was 32 and he was one of best deep lying midfielders in the league.
Moutinho had spent the previous season playing reguarly for a top international team and in European competition and was clearly still a top player.
Cahill, at this stage, is not one of the best centre halves in the league and has barely played for a season, not even managing to get a look-in at what is a fairly average Chelsea side.
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Finishing third and winning the Europa is hardly average. Cahill is no longer a quality player and would be an expensive risk though.
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Finishing third and winning the Europa is hardly average. Cahill is no longer a quality player and would be an expensive risk though.
It is by Chelsea's standards. 26 points off the title. Not playing in the Champions League. Manager about to leave to go back to Juventus. Centre back options of Rudiger, Christensen, Emerson and Luiz nowhere near the standard of most Chelsea sides of the last decade, which is why they conceded nearly double that of the other teams in the top four. Yet Cahill got nowhere near the team. It'd be a no from me, as much as I liked him when he was here.
Chester can provide the experienced input. Mings and Hause as left footed options, Tuanzebe or another up and comer as the other right footer.
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We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.
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We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.
In a nutshell.
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I personally think that Cahill's a bit of a no-brainer. The squad at present has virtually no top-flight experience at all and taking a guy with the experience that Cahill has, could be massive, even as a squad player. Look at all the accolades that have been given to Whelan and Jedinak for theor roles within the squad this season. And as for taking a pay-cut, he's currently unemployed, so he won't be taking a pay-cut. He woudl have realised that his next contract would be at a vastly reduced salary and we're now in a position to offer him as good a package as anyone. If Tuanzebe isn't coming back, Cahill + a young prospect (Esri Konza looks the best of those linked) would be fine, IMO.
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As it stands our only centre back is Chester, who has an injury he needs to manage for the rest of his career.
Adding Gary Cahill who is now 33 and has hardly played all season to that equation does not seem sensible.
I'm not against us bringing him in totally, Mings Hause one other and then maybe a deal for Cahill would be Ok.
I just think after such a lack of playing time he's more of a gamble than we should be taking. Especially considering his wage demands and the possiblity he'd want guarantees about playing.
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I personally think that Cahill's a bit of a no-brainer. The squad at present has virtually no top-flight experience at all and taking a guy with the experience that Cahill has, could be massive, even as a squad player. Look at all the accolades that have been given to Whelan and Jedinak for theor roles within the squad this season. And as for taking a pay-cut, he's currently unemployed, so he won't be taking a pay-cut. He woudl have realised that his next contract would be at a vastly reduced salary and we're now in a position to offer him as good a package as anyone. If Tuanzebe isn't coming back, Cahill + a young prospect (Esri Konza looks the best of those linked) would be fine, IMO.
Would certainly be looking to sign Mings and Hause, so along with Chester, think we would probably need one more CB option. Would like to see us get Tuanzebe back even it is only another loan deal as I think we will see a much more athletic side next season.
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When we arrived back in Liverpool there was a huge crowd to greet us. I said to Mo, Were you expecting this welcome home? He said Yes James, I was. I said Ok.
“Mr Klopp said we can’t go home straight away as we have to get on a bus to go around the city for hours. I then remembered I had some carrots and potatoes stewing in my slow cooker when we left to go to Madrid. Hoping they are not over done by the time I get home tonight”
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You can tell we were celebrating last night. I woke up to discover I had used up all of the tea bags provided in the hotel room. Crazy.
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
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No but that applies to a number of our players, nearly all of them are untested in the Premiership and to me it was clear that a majority of them had found their level in the Championship. I would rather look abroad for new talent rather than buy players from the championship that have had a good season.
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We shouldn't have got rid of him and we shouldn't have him back.
In a nutshell.
He's been gone for a long time now so he would have probably left at some point anyway but from memory, he wanted to move on anyway for regular first team football.
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That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
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That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
And there were people on here defending that decision, too.
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That's correct but he should have had first team football here. Instead we went with Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
And there were people on here defending that decision, too.
Amazing what winning a few games can do, manager can do wrong and even if he makes an obvious wrong decision it still gets blindly supported by a fair few.
We sold Cahill for 5m and signed Knight and Davies for a combined 15min 2007-08. We somehow got our money back for Knight (Bolton must've felt bad for us getting GC at knock down price) but he left in 2009 and by then Curtis Davies was well out of favour so our defensive replacements for Cahill were gone barely 18 months after he left.
We then signed Dunne and Collins for 10m combined and they played very well first season but again same problems not long after.
Hopefully Deano won't make a cock up on that scale but shows how badly wrong we could get things even in seasons when we were finishing 6th and it badly hurt us in the long run.
In the meantime Cahill won 61 caps for England and won at Chelsea two league titles, a CL, a europa league, a league cup and two FA cups to give you an idea of what we lost.
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If you look at the entire defence under Mon he spent something like £50m we got about £8m on them. Losing money on players like that, when they barely improve on what you had, is completely unsustainable.
Lerner had problems later but in those 4 years he gave Mon everything he needed for the top 4 and it was completely wasted
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The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?
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I remember the reasoning being that Cahill was a bring the ball out of defence style defender whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type
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If you look at the entire defence under Mon he spent something like £50m we got about £8m on them. Losing money on players like that, when they barely improve on what you had, is completely unsustainable.
Lerner had problems later but in those 4 years he gave Mon everything he needed for the top 4 and it was completely wasted
Lerner threw money in but never got the concept of protecting the assets we bought with it.
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I remember the reasoning being that Cahill was a bring the ball out of defence style defender whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type
What a revealing argument that was.
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... whereas MON preferred the 'whack it in to row z' type
He certainly got that with Marlon F Harewood.
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The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?
Tbh, it seemed a bit odd that when we've got bazillions to spend, our first port of call was the little local shop round the corner. I'm not saying he couldn't be a decent signing, but I'm hoping we'll be a bit more exotic in our spending.
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
Attacking full backs are worth their weight in gold these days. Taylor is not an attacking full back.
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There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.
Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.
Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
He'll be fine as competition, he played a lot in the good run at the end of the season, he's played in the PL before, he's not too old and he is an international. Despite all that though we should be looking to buy a better option as there is plenty of room for improvement at left back with us stepping up a division.
Attacking full backs are worth their weight in gold these days. Taylor is not an attacking full back.
He probably doesn't weigh much either.
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Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.
...something about Alexander of Macedonia and Eric Bristow :)
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg/220px-AUT_vs._WAL_2016-10-06_%28116%29.jpg)
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Bash Street Kid - the Welsh Plug.
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)
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worst elvis ever
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Can't believe that Taylor's name has not yet been mentioned. Surely we cannot envisage him in the premiership?
Thank ya very much
Whoever posted Taylor's profile pic on da Wiki, is clearly not a fan :)
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worst elvis ever
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There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.
Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.
Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.
Yes, in the Championship.
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There is a lot of talk about Cahill's age and the fact he has practically sat out the last season.
Exactly what was being said by some about Terry when we signed him and he did well for us.
Terry was 36 when we signed him. Cahill is 33.
Yes, in the Championship.
And in a team who defended deeper and didn't expose his lack of pace so much.
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Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
Was at Villa last week. Went to Spain. Now back. All seems good.
Jacob
@Yaccccccccccc
Replying to @reluctantnicko
Any idea why the jota deal has gone quite?
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The rumoured Jota deal seems to have gone quiet?
Tbh, it seemed a bit odd that when we've got bazillions to spend, our first port of call was the little local shop round the corner. I'm not saying he couldn't be a decent signing, but I'm hoping we'll be a bit more exotic in our spending.
Tbh I thought it was a clever bit of business. £4m + Gardner is basically a free transfer in premier league terms, and it seems to fill a hole that needs to be filled (lack of a backup for Grealish), leaving us with near full funds to improve the first team rather than buy squad players. DS knows him so he's not much of a gamble. Plus as a bonus it gets a player who's not likely to feature off the books.
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The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart? Jeez. Clickbait shite.
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The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart? Jeez. Clickbait shite.
When did we appoint Sherwood as our DoF?
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Apologies if the link isn't appropriate.
We've been linked with Cardiff's keeper:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-8m-transfer-bid-16373085
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The Meaning evil linking us with sicknote Sturridge, busted flush Hart? Jeez. Clickbait shite.
When did we appoint Sherwood as our DoF?
Absolutely!!
Cardiff keeper eh? A more sensible link.
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Always rated him
Must spell doom for kalinic or Nyland or both as I'm sure Steer hard-earned at least a 2nd spot
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Cant wait for our first game of the season when we can show off our revolutionary 8-8-5 formation.
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I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.
I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.
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Would like Etheridge. I'd let Steer keep the shirt too. But we definitely need someone proven to compete with him, IMO
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yeah McCormack's gone.........must have found the gate key at last
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So we need another striker now fat boy gates has gone 🤔
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Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
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I doubt we would release him on a free, we are unlikely to get our money back but would at least get something for him. The only people that would have paid to have McCormack around are the various branches of Greggs.
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Ollie Watkins could do a job for us.
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We made an enquiry about Cresswell but West Ham having non of it apparently.
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Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
There was supposed to be a clause in his contract that if Sheffield United got promoted, they would pay a fee to sign him permanently.
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Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
There was supposed to be a clause in his contract that if Sheffield United got promoted, they would pay a fee to sign him permanently.
Probsbly desperately looking for a loophole
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Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
Hogan is no McCormack. They've been equally shite or us but Hogan wanted to play (and turned up).
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Henry Winter
Verified account @henrywinter
25m25 minutes ago
Love the way Villa know exactly what they want, players out, players to keep, targets, needing to strengthen while keeping core, Mings, El Ghazi plus building around Grealish. Link between Smith/Purslow/owners 👍 #avfc
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Purslow and Smith said last week they would deal with moving players out in the next few days before looking at bringing people in. All seems very much part of their plan.
Etheridge, Steer and Nylund for the keeper roles - Loan or sell Kalinic if we are not sure - he looked out of his depth in the Championship but I am sure someone will pay near enough what we did to take him.
Jota as a backup 10.
Mings, El Ghazi and Hause on perms.
Leaves 2 midfielders, a left back and 2 strikers as a minimum to add seriously good players to have a competitive squad.
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Chalobah and Hayden for centre of the park?
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Nyland didn't exactly impress.
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Purslow and Smith said last week they would deal with moving players out in the next few days before looking at bringing people in. All seems very much part of their plan.
Etheridge, Steer and Nylund for the keeper roles - Loan or sell Kalinic if we are not sure - he looked out of his depth in the Championship but I am sure someone will pay near enough what we did to take him.
Jota as a backup 10.
Mings, El Ghazi and Hause on perms.
Leaves 2 midfielders, a left back and 2 strikers as a minimum to add seriously good players to have a competitive squad.
Buying Kalinic for that money in Jan was crazy considering the state of the team at the time. Presume it was a Suso special ? Would have been a very expensive mistake if we didn't get promoted....
Etheridge would be an excellent buy. Hopefully Warnock might take Hogan or someone as part exchange.
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Chalobah and Hayden for centre of the park?
Chalobah been very injury hit at Watford. Doucoure is the one to get from there.
Hayden just strikes me as an average player who looks better as Newcastle are a defensive minded team in their general approach.
Domestic market is all wrong when he's being quoted for 20m move when there's plenty of good DMs in europe who'd go for much less. Gana for example is a much better player.
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It does look like they think they've bought a turkey in Kalinic doesn't it? I think the consensus is he was more of a suso signing
I think the same may be true w Guilbert. So it would be interesting and possibly a bit alarming if Smith now wants Tavernier from rangers.
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I think it’s way too soon to judge Kalinic. He only came in in January and he’s been injured.
I remember some people were also slating El Ghazi after a shaky start. Sometimes players take a bit of time to settle.
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Nyland didn't exactly impress.
Whilst I agree, he was also playing behind a shit back four. It wasn't until Mings, Hause, Axle, Elmo & Taylor became the settled defence that things settled down.
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Nyland didn't exactly impress.
Whilst I agree, he was also playing behind a shit back four. It wasn't until Mings, Hause, Axle, Elmo & Taylor became the settled defence that things settled down.
that's true but you could also use that for the reason Steer looked better than before
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It does look like they think they've bought a turkey in Kalinic doesn't it? I think the consensus is he was more of a suso signing
I think the same may be true w Guilbert. So it would be interesting and possibly a bit alarming if Smith now wants Tavernier from rangers.
Harsh on Guilbert who has yet to play a game for us but seems to have had a good season in France.Could the truth be that we can now afford to be interested in Tavernier and that offers competition for places and flexibility ,especially as Guilbert has played in different roles in defence.I see this as a positive not something alarming.
It might spel
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If I am being a little brutal I’m not sure any of the 3 keepers particularly inspired confidence going forward - all 3 made top class saves at various times but none of them were commanding of the penalty area when corners/long throws were coming in.
Part of me wonders whether I am too harsh on our keepers since Enckleman’s two brain farts against Small Heath though
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#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account
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They're just saying we are going to be in the Premier League soon.
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They're just saying we are going to be in the Premier League soon.
Awww thought it was going to be the end of the Mings wait, never mind, fancy tweeting something we already know !
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#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account
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The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.
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Yes. And all those 'it's been one week since the playoff victory' tweets. Cringeworthy.
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#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account
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The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.
But also some good stuff as well to be fair.....
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I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.
I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.
Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.
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We made an enquiry about Cresswell but West Ham having non of it apparently.
Didn't he choose West Ham over Villa when he left Ipswich? Not that it should stop us signing him if he is who we want.
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#PL #AVFC
Tweeted by official club account
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The Pravda accounts on Facebook and Twitter have been sending out some cringe-worthy stuff since promotion.
They are doing their job by doing some sabre-rattling and back in the big time boasting. That is pretty much what those mediums are there for. But it isn't for me so I tend to avoid most club Twitter or Facebook stuff.
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All quiet on the western front today!
Strangely so.
Calm before the storm maybe?
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The season only finished last week so things will be quiet.
I am just happy we have released the players we have - partly for the recognition that they won't cut it in the top flight but mainly because the lack of sentimentality and speed of action suggests we have been doing some actual long term planning.
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I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.
I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.
Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.
Fulham only signed one player from a team in the Championship that season - Joe Bryan.
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The two transfers of recent years that I was most worried about when they happened were Kalinic and McCormack. In both cases it was because it felt like we had perhaps overpaid for them, because they aren't young but hadn't yet made the step up to one of the big top-flight leagues, and because the thought process seemed a bit lazy. Kalinic was someone we had been linked with before, and I couldn't work out why we were going back again. McCormack was the 'Championship goal machine' and had transferred for big money before, but had actually only scored regularly for a couple of isolated seasons. Going back further I was worried about Gestede for similar reasons.
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In Kodjia, Hogan, Gestede and McCormack didn't we buy most of the Championships top scorers over the last few seasons?
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I think Tavarnier would be a decent signing and wouldn't cost much, so it'd be low risk.
Then get Tierney from Celtic please.
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Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.
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Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah I know, would be a risk. He does score lots of goals though...
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He has the mentality of disturbed cobra, avoid.
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Alfredo Morelos scores a lot of goals also and Rangers might want to get rid as he is a hit of a hothead tbf. Still very young though, could be picked up cheaply I think.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah I know, would be a risk. He does score lots of goals though...
Even Scott Sinclair gets a few up there.
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I don’t know if he’s already been mentioned or suggested but nearly every time I’ve watched him,I’ve been genuinely impressed with Aaron Mooy. Maybe a little too similar to McGinio but,don’t see that as being a particularl drawback?
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I don’t know if he’s already been mentioned or suggested but nearly every time I’ve watched him,I’ve been genuinely impressed with Aaron Mooy. Maybe a little too similar to McGinio but,don’t see that as being a particularl drawback?
Welcome to the site Aaron :)
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:) First post in as long as McCorfat has scored for us - hence the virginal post count!!
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I've wondered about Mooy as well. He looks like a Premier League player to me, I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer. I'd be happy to have him here.
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I accept it’s all paper bollocks but I like the thought of us raiding every single championship club that’s wronged us over the past 3 years.
I’m picturing that assassination montage at the end of godfather.
Raiding the clubs they had left behind in the Championship was Fulham's tactic twelve months ago. They spent a fortune doing it and went down with barely a whimper.
Fulham only signed one player from a team in the Championship that season - Joe Bryan.
Apologies, you are correct. One Championship player, one who had just been relegated to the Championship with Swansea, one Arsenal squad player, the permanent signing of the on loan Mitrovic and eight other foreign players. Twelve players at a cost of £100 million.
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I've wondered about Mooy as well. He looks like a Premier League player to me, I'd be surprised if he doesn't move this summer. I'd be happy to have him here.
He was probably their best player the season before last but probably not surprisingly he didn't look so good last season. But he could probably bounce back and do a decent job for us like when Gueye went down with us and then moved on to Everton.
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Agreed - and I’m very reliably informed that his attitude is spot on too.Fits the new requirements pretty well.Dont know how much they’d want or expect for him tho’..
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
Never fit and on mega money, a definite NO, we are no longer that club that just wasted money!
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
Ex Villa academy. Could be worth a punt for a short term contract if he doesn't want too much.
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It wouldn't. He'd want a fortune and he's always injured.
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
Good player but never plays due to injury and lack of fitness, a no from me
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Fair point but Cahill 30 too which surprised me with us being linked to him too. Totally against grain of our younger head policy but maybe there might need to be some element of older , experienced, prem std especially as all of those attributes were in a lot of the 8 players we’ve let go
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It wouldn't. He'd want a fortune and he's always injured.
Blimey he was earning about 200k A week there . It to that extent but I wonder if new regime will increase our salary cap now we’ve returned to top flight ?
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Sturridge may only be thirty but his knees are in their late eighties. The guy's broken. I'd be surprised and bloody disappointed if we brought him in to clutter up the treatment table, especially when it's still got the warm indent of Micah Richards crocked arse in it.
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist
When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist
When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.
He had an ongoing problem with one of his hooves.
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Let’s hope we don’t go down the road of injury prone, expensive flops. I trust that Deano will be looking at alternative options rather than players like Sturridge.
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Liverpool confirm no new contract for Sturridge . Not sure he’d fit in with us but was mentioned somewhere yesterday
He'll be 30 in September. I can't see him coming.
Usefull player when fit,
but you'd have to be soft in the head to sign him now on anything other than a pay as you play deal and I'm not sure even though those deals are always talked about that they actually exist
When beelzebub went to Rangers under Souness, it was pay-as-you-play. I reckon that was the only one ever.
Owen Hargreaves was on one at Man City.
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Didn't Asa Hartford have one due to his heart surgery?
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I think they're perfectly legal so long as the player received a base salary if he wasn't able to play at all so as to avoid falling under the minimum wage.
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No to Sturridge. Hopefully we’ve learned our (very expensive) lesson of signing ageing injury prone players.
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Sturridge is an O Neill/Bruce type signing. If he stayed fit and playing 30 games, yes he'd score 15 goals. But that first part is a huge if. We might as well sign Andy Carroll too. I'd rather have Kodjia on the bench as an impact player. Whatever happens we need a new CF for the starting lineup, and one we can feel a bit more assured of as far as fitness.
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
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I would sooner sign Cahill than Sturridge. Despite being older I would back Cahill to be available for most games. Sturridge is quality, even if it just as an impact sub but his injury record is well known and the chances of him becoming the next Paul McGrath and playing week in week out against the odds are very slim. Even if we got Sturridge on loan the loan fee and his wages would be better served being spent on someone more reliable.
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You only have to look back to his loan to the Bitters to see how it would work out...injured in his third game and only played in 6 in 5 months. Pretty sure he spent most of last season out injured too.
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I have a concern that under Lamberk the thought was "fill your squad with championship / league 1 grade players and you will eventually end up there"
I'm all for young and hungry but I also think it needs blending with some premiership experience.
Shelvey from Newcastle anyone?
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
Yes, a good shout. Right age and great potential.
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Shelvey is a good player but a sulky prick. Not sure he’d fit in, attitude wise, although footballer wise, he is the type of midfielder I think would fit with Jack and SJM.
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Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?
As for Shelvey, fuck no.
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As far as Etheridge is concerned, I wouldn't have any dealings with Cardiff City. If we did buy him we should pay the fee to Nantes and tell them to knock it off what they're owed for Sala.p
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with
Very good player, a must bid IMO.
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with
Very good pl4ayer, a must bid IMO.
Agreed.Surprised that he hasn't featured in any transfer speculation.
As regards the striker role,who who is the better,Abrahams or Maupay or someone else who would cost £25m or less ? I would plump for Maupay.
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Jarrod Bowen anyone ? 22, Herefordshire lad, 36 goals for Hull in last 2 seasons, winger to replace Albert in the squad ?
100% i'd be amazed if he isn't already on our radar/list. EXACTLY the kind of player we could do with
Very good player, a must bid IMO.
Bowen is a very very good young player with tons of potential...unfortunately, I think he'll go to a Premier League Club....oh, hang on..... :-)
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My guess would be Tottenham.....sadly
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Read some nonsense (well I hope it is) about us being interested Andre Ayew.
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So, where's Jota then?
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On holiday in Rhyl at a guess.
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Waiting until we are officially PL
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Waiting until we are officially PL
Thursday we do
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My guess would be Tottenham.....sadly
Will they offer Hull 1m plus Onomah?
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Waiting until we are officially PL
Thursday we do
I'm really excited about that date.
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I have a concern that under Lamberk the thought was "fill your squad with championship / league 1 grade players and you will eventually end up there"
I'm all for young and hungry but I also think it needs blending with some premiership experience.
Shelvey from Newcastle anyone?
I agree to some extent, but we are looking at having to build a new squad due to the number of departing players. We should be looking at bringing in a number of players who will be pencilled in as starters and I would hope those players will be of a certain quality. Left back, defensive midfield, striker and wide forward would be positions I would like to see significant investment in.
We do have a few holes in the squad now though and I don’t think we would be able to afford to bring in a high number of top players.
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It's definitely concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players
Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players
Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at
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Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?
As for Shelvey, fuck no.
If you appoint Dean Smith I thibk it's obvious which route you're going down
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Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.
Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
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It's definitely concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players
Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players
Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at
These four would have been perfect for our three years in the championship, rather than thrown in at the deep end with a struggling premiership team. They would have gained confidence and, I'm sure, would have become very good players for us.
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Fully Agree - you could tell Bennet had some quality on the ball, but confidence was shot at the end, i remember Chelsea at home and he started well, one mistake which let them in and he just didnt want the ball. But the 2 games against Cardiff last year i thought he looked good, got forward and put some good balls in
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It's definitely concern. We need 10 to 12 new players. If we're going down the younger player route, that means many will be championship or lesser known foreign players
Having said that, the likes of Maupay, Lolley, etc are top end championship players
Bennett, Westwood, bowery, Lowton and then bacuna, helenius, tonev were more bargain basement than I imagine we're looking at
These four would have been perfect for our three years in the championship, rather than thrown in at the deep end with a struggling premiership team. They would have gained confidence and, I'm sure, would have become very good players for us.
And Westwood player of the season at Burnley last season too
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Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.
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Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.
I do
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Dwight Gale was on my flight back to brum last night. A proven goalscorer in the championship, but I was surprised by his height (only about 5'7" or 5'8"). Didn't come across as a main striker in the prem where most teams only play with 1 up front, seemed ideal maybe playing off a frontman in a 442 Better chance of this happening in the championship rather than the prem.
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Sorry but whatever Westwood does, I still don't see it.
Do we have to point it out ? ;)
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Can we not start signing players who are megastars now, rather than those that have "potential"?
As for Shelvey, fuck no.
If you appoint Dean Smith I thibk it's obvious which route you're going down
Well, not really as he has never managed a club with shitloads of cash to spend before.
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Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.
Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem
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Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.
Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem
I thought it was that their chairman (Huw Jenkins??) pulled the plug on the deal at the last minute (as he did with the Daniel James to Leeds move) because of all of the criticism he was getting from the Swansea supporters?
If he's fit, I agree he'd be a good option in the squad, but feel he's probably more likely to chase a higher salary in Turkey, or somewhere like that.
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Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.
Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
Didn’t Fer fail a medical in Jan? He was at best a squad signing in the Championship, can’t see Dean wanting him for Prem
I thought it was that their chairman (Huw Jenkins??) pulled the plug on the deal at the last minute (as he did with the Daniel James to Leeds move) because of all of the criticism he was getting from the Swansea supporters?
If he's fit, I agree he'd be a good option in the squad, but feel he's probably more likely to chase a higher salary in Turkey, or somewhere like that.
He played one more game this season after we bid for him, at the end of April, therefore he was injured and we dodged a bullet. Well done the medical team.
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The same Medical team that OK'd Tom Carroll
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Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.
I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.
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any truth in Valentin Rongier or just click bait
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
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I just hope that we cut out all the loaning bollocks that we've done for the past 7-8 years. It can be a good think if you're hard up for cash and trying to battle relegation or get promoted but otherwise it would be nice to have a full squad of proper Aston Villa players from next season starting with err, the 5 players we had on loan last season. If the only way to get Mings next season is to have him on loan I'd take it but otherwise want permanent deals. I know the loanees played a big part getting us up but if we'd missed out again and had none of them back for next season we'd have been proper fucked.
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any truth in Valentin Rongier or just click bait
Rumour/Clickbait sites can't even make up their minds whether he plays for Nantes or Nice
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Read somewhere that we only have until tomorrow to take up the option on Hause (£3m which seems a good price). As I hopefully this one will happen soon. Still no sign of the Jota deal being announced.
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Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot? He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.
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Moreno can run fast. That is all. He is shite defensively, his positional sense is crap, and he gets caught on his heels all the time. I just don’t think he can read the game. His final ball is so inconsistent too. Apart from that....
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Sky reported at about 11 the Jota siging is imminent. So expect him to sign for getafe within the hour
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Moreno can run fast. That is all. He is shite defensively, his positional sense is crap, and he gets caught on his heels all the time. I just don’t think he can read the game. His final ball is so inconsistent too. Apart from that....
That's me told then.
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
Ed Wesden's Garden Centres, for the completely arm's length and totally market going rate of one bajillion pounds.
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....
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Don Amott, King of Caravans
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Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.
I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.
Does it have a Saniflow 33?
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Must be a slow news day!
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So, is this Jota any good then?
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Sky reported at about 11 the Jota siging is imminent. So expect him to sign for getafe within the hour
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11735282/aston-villa-to-sign-jota-from-birmingham-with-gary-gardner-to-join-blues
Aston Villa are set to sign Jota from Birmingham, with Gary Gardner heading to St Andrew's, Sky Sports News understands.
Jota played for Dean Smith at Brentford before moving to Birmingham in a club-record £6m deal in the summer of 2017. The Spaniard scored eight goals in 75 appearances for the Blues.
The 27-year-old could act as a replacement for Albert Adomah, who was released by Villa after his contract expired at the end of this season, along with the experienced Mile Jedinak, Alan Hutton and Glenn Whelan.
Gardner will move in the opposite direction on a permanent deal after spending last season on loan at Birmingham, where he scored two goals in 42 appearances for the club.
The 26-year-old midfielder will follow the footsteps of his older brother Craig who made the same move nine years ago.
Blimey, is it 9 years since Gardner Sr. left Villa
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Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....
One of Sawiris' interests (it might be OCI?) has a fifty percent stake in the BESIX construction group. I always thought that would be a great sponsor for Villa, given the postcode.
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Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.
Agreed, really enjoyed this. It's good to hear an neutral, educated POV on our situation and they bring up a lot of fair concerns (i.e, the defence).
It's available on Spotify for anyone looking for something to listen to on the commute.
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I see that Christian Eriksen want to leave Spuds to try his chances at a bigger club. I'm thinking Andre Green plus £3m should do it for Levy
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20 year old son bumped into the England players at St George's last night. Got a nice selfie with Tammy, told him we were at Wembley and begged him to stay at Villa. Only reaction was a big Tammy smile. Not sure anything can be read into that! Son thought he was a great bloke, as were Loftus-Cheek and Mason Mount as it happens!
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No sign of 32Red or Unibet on the official site anymore.
New shirt sponsor incoming?
Hopefully it'll take the form of some way for the owners to pour money into the club.
Lafarge Cement. The sponsor we’ve always wanted....
Sofa King
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The talk is it's Donkey Gardner and less than £2m for Jota. I'll take that as it's the rags getting it from us for a 3rd time now.
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So, is this Jota any good then?
He was good at Brentford and he ran rings around us once or twice. However it was for a team where expectations are necessarily lower and he played in fits and starts at Blues.
They may not have played to his strengths but equally you need to play to your own strengths so maybe Smith can get more out of him.
It seems like an ok deal without much outlay for us.
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So, is this Jota any good then?
He was good at Brentford and he ran rings around us once or twice. However it was for a team where expectations are necessarily lower and he played in fits and starts at Blues.
They may not have played to his strengths but equally you need to play to your own strengths so maybe Smith can get more out of him.
It seems like an ok deal without much outlay for us.
I agree. I'd rather have Jota as an option than a largely ineffective and somewhat agricultural GG (plus 2m)
Nobody thinks this signing is one to fill any of the crucial squad gaps we have but we've swapped a non contributing squad member for one with a bit of flair.
Fine by me.
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Surprised we haven’t gone back for Fer as he’s on a free. Not a massive fan of him but he could bolster the he squad a little and Smith obviously likes him.
Chalobah and Fer to replace Jedinak and Whelan seems like an obvious move
Fer will be thirty in a couple of months. He is also a 'Fer-king jinx' having been relegated from the Premier League with Norwich, QPR and Swansea.
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Signings will be slow for a couple of weeks.
I've just been told Suso Pitarch has rented Bob Warman's static caravan in Oswestry for a fortnight.
Does it have a Saniflow 33?
I might get myself a replica shirt and have Saniflow 33 printed on the back for a laugh. It would make people think we had signed someone without them knowing.
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Gardner done.
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any truth in Valentin Rongier or just click bait
I had to Google 'Click Bait'.
Apparently he is a right back for Colorado Rapids in the MLS. ;)
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Reasonable, objective assessment of the job required.
Agreed, really enjoyed this. It's good to hear an neutral, educated POV on our situation and they bring up a lot of fair concerns (i.e, the defence).
It's available on Spotify for anyone looking for something to listen to on the commute.
Really good listen.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement
"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement
"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
Don't worry too much, deal done for Jota.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives
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Avfc:
Gardner gone.
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Yeah. Zero chance we’d have let an entire teams worth of players go (however inadequate they might be for the most part) if we then couldn’t buy anyone!
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Jota signed. Welcome and unlock his thread please, Mods 😁
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives?view=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/gary-gardner-announcement
"Undisclosed fee". No mention of Jota. That's pretty worrying, tbh, in light of reports that we're under a soft transfer embargo.
Don't worry too much, deal done for Jota.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/05/first-summer-signing-arrives
Hah! Whoops, all good then, ignore my post ;)
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I wonder if Smith would want to work with Jota again. Not sure what position he plays though.
Not a bad guess.
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Welcome Jota. The first of many signings.
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E&S are claiming we need to sign Hause tomorrow, the deadline in the agreement, if we want him for £3m.
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Hause would be a bargain at £3m...his partnership with Mings looked more solid than Axel and Mings.
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£3m for someone who can play CH & LB!!!?!
Surely an absolute no brainer ?
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Be silly if we don't take that up, after a shaky start he fitted in well. Guess if it were me I'd sign him on the last day though, no point running up extra wages for the sake of it. Hopefully will be signing number 2 tomorrow.
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Hause has great potential. Bargain and able to cover. What’s not to like? I thought he got better and better for us until his injury and was great in his cameo in the POF.
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Hause has great potential. Bargain and able to cover. What’s not to like? I thought he got better and better for us until his injury and was great in his cameo in the POF.
Agreed, not sure why we wouldn't bite for 3m, would seem silly not to given our threadbare squad. I like him and hope we bring him back.
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Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot? He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.
Please no to Moreno. We want players on the way up not having just left the European champions
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E&S are claiming we need to sign Hause tomorrow, the deadline in the agreement, if we want him for £3m.
John Percy
Verified account @JPercyTelegraph
3m3 minutes ago
#avfc have triggered the option to sign #Wolves defender Kortney Hause on a permanent deal. Fee of around £3m #wwfc
6 replies 20 retweets 40 likes
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Good stuff, bargain.
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Two decent squad options for £5m, plus deadwood like Gardner off the books.
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Great news imo.
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It really has been nothing but great news for a 10 days now
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I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
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I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
And Mings!
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And Gary Penrice.
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£3m for someone who can play CH & LB!!!?!
Surely an absolute no brainer ?
Relatively young as well. Would be £3m well spent.
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Is Moreno, who's just been released by Liverpool, worth a shot? He's sort of the anti-Neil Taylor, i.e. bit dodgy defensively but loves to bomb forward.
Please no to Moreno. We want players on the way up not having just left the European champions
It's a no from me, also. He did that stupid dance with Sturridge.
Maybe that's why they were both released at the same time.
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Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
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Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
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I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
I don’t think we will....Jorge Mendes has bigger ideas
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I wont be happy until we sign Anwar El Ghazi
I don’t think we will....Jorge Mendes has bigger ideas
If there's a clause in the deal to sign him as reported by some outlets then he can't really stop it? He'd have to convince Anwar to reject a contract offer which I doubt El Ghazi would do, but what do I know.
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Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
I have no problem if Smith is buying known quantities at 'Poundland'. Jota and Hause are known quantity.
I'm sure he and Jesus also appreciate the need to buy players that will add some spice and flair to the solid, reliable squad players.
We're 10 days in ....
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Early days I know but I'm a little uneasy that after the big talk about making a big impact we still appear to be shopping at Poundland yet again. Hopefully it's just speculation by uninformed journos. Time will tell
I have no problem if Smith is buying known quantities at 'Poundland'. Jota and Hause are known quantity.
I'm sure he and Jesus also appreciate the need to buy players that will add some spice and flair to the solid, reliable squad players.
We're 10 days in ....
Agreed.
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yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.
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yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.
We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.
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I think that it's worth remembering that many players will still be sunning themselves on a beach somewhere. There's plenty of time for signings and June is always a quiet month. I imagine that things will pick up once teams are back in for pre-season.
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yes, I can't tell you how irritated I am that we're yet to sign Messi in the first week of June. Really poor form.
We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.
too old
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We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.
too old
More Premier League experience than Messi though. ;)
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We switched our target from Messi...it's now some Portuguese fella that scored a hat-trick last night...he's meant to be half decent.
too old
More Premier League experience than Messi though. ;)
oh go on then
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For the time being this is the level I expect anyway. As long as the right areas are covered with players of thd right attitude that Smith knows he can get a tune out of, we'll be fine. Smith will be looking to build a 'team' at this point and I think anyone expecting the equivalent of Robinho, Silva, Toure etc at this point will be disappointed.
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Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t they?
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All valid points chaps. I'm sure it will be fine it's just I shudder at some of the names mentioned which is probably just journos speculating because they have no idea, like the rest of us, what is really going on.
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All valid points chaps. I'm sure it will be fine it's just I shudder at some of the names mentioned which is probably just journos speculating because they have no idea, like the rest of us, what is really going on.
Breathe in the excitement mate. We will always get linked with the great and the shite as journo's have inches to fill.
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Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
That doesn't really mean anything though. You could spend £90M and have a great season. Equally you could spend buttons and get relegated. Just depends who you buy.
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Calm , it is just over a week , Fulham spent 90 mil and it did them no good at all
That doesn't really mean anything though. You could spend £90M and have a great season. Equally you could spend buttons and get relegated. Just depends who you buy.
Exactly, it's about managing your purchases and having a strategy.
Fulham failed as they ripped out what made them good last season and couldn't replicate the spirit and elan that went with it. They also could stop conceding goals.
I have faith that we will bolster the squad and make three crucial signings who front, in midfield and in defence who will raise the bar of our quality.
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I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit. That said I hope, and expect, we will get a few in with either PL or top level European league experience.
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Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t they?
The key difference is they both don’t need to sign players, they could go with largely the settled sides that got each of them promoted.
We have to sign pretty much half of a first team squad as we’ve released so many and 4 of our key players were loans.
It’s vital we do our business early to get the new players ready and the new team working together.
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I'd like us to open talks with Joe Bryan at Fulham, then drop him like a stone at the eleventh hour.
...and yes, I am being petty.
UTV
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Jeez the season only finished 2 weeks ago for us. 4 weeks for Sheffield and Norwich and unless I’ve missed something I think they’ve only signed one player (Patrick Roberts) between them haven’t they?
Patrick Roberts is a good player, would have liked him at Villa under Dean
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I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit.
That doesn't necessarily preclude big name signings.
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I'd like us to open talks with Joe Bryan at Fulham, then drop him like a stone at the eleventh hour.
...and yes, I am being petty.
I want to see smith running off down the car park
UTV
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another rb mentioned around clickbaits
Daniel Opare for 500k
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another rb mentioned around clickbaits
Daniel Opare for 500k
Brilliant for me on Champ Manager about 3 years ago
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Is he a bit like Nani?
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Is he a bit like Nani?
mines dead so not sure
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And Gary Penrice.
Sorry but I'm too old now I'm afraid!
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Stuart James reporting in the Guardian that we've triggered El Ghazi's 8mil release evaluation and he's set to become our second signing of the summer.
Aston Villa will complete the signing of Anwar El Ghazi from Lille in the next 24 hours after triggering the option to buy the 24-year-old winger following his successful loan last season. Villa agreed a fee when El Ghazi joined on loan last August – understood to be £8m.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/06/aston-villa-sign-anwar-el-ghazi-lille-loan
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Looks like Tammy and Axel aren’t coming back, judging by their social media posts today.
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Was always going to be difficult getting those two in, for different reasons. As much as I'd have liked to get them in, i think (hope) both are replaceable. Thanks for their part in our promotion, and all the best (except when playing villa).
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Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.
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If it's true, I'm disappointed but not surprised. Chelsea have their embargo thing and Man Utd rate Tuanzebe. Maybe this brings Maupay into the picture. I must say I hope we're looking further afield than just players who have worked with Dean before.
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Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.
His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.
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Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.
His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.
Christmassy though.
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Villa Report on Twitter saying L'Equipe is linking us to Baptiste Santamaria. No, nor me.
His name isn't quite religious enough for my liking.
That's true. If he arrives we can perhaps start calling him Confession.
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Another swap, this time with Kodjia?
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Another swap, this time with Kodjia?
There's been a lot of outgoings, we need to build up the squad now
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Another swap, this time with Kodjia?
Why do you think that?
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El Ghazi, Hause and Mings will get done and there might be some mileage in the Etheridge links. Also Sawyers from Brentford. I presume we will chuck a fair few quid at a striker or two as well.
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Both Tammy & Tuanzebe will struggle for game time at Chelsea and Manchester United. With time they may be good enough but not yet. I'm not devastated if they don't come back as I think it would both expensive and a risk. I'm not sure Tammy is the type of forward Dean looks for.
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I don't really expect we'll make many or even any big name signings - may one, max two. The intention seems to be to build a solid squad with some depth, of players with quality who will be able to play the Smith way, good on the ball, work hard off it, and to coach them into a cohesive unit.
That doesn't necessarily preclude big name signings.
I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
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I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
Fair enough. I think that's limiting our chances though.
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Tammy came through the ranks there and -if he has any chance at all to make the grade with a top 4 team - he has to grab it. Hard to call exactly how Chelsea will go re transfer ban and new manager. If it was someone like Lampard, for example, he might be more inclined to give their loan stars a chance.
If not, it might be one to revisit in Jan or even next year. He won't be past his best in 12 months.
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I just hope our squad is better than the one that gained promotion when the 10th August is upon us....
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Axel and Tammy are good enough for an emerging Villa but not for their established clubs. I’m really grateful for their efforts in getting us up but am not too disappointed that they are not coming back. I appreciate this view is not a shared one!
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Another swap, this time with Kodjia?
Why do you think that?
I may be mis-remembering but Angers wanted Kodj in Jan IIRC
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Concerned about centre-forward if Tammy doesn't arrive. I was hoping someone like Maupay or Adams would come in alongside him. Centre-forward is the one area we need someone we know we can depend on.
Saying that, if Mings, Hause, El Ghazi and Jota are in by the end of next week, that puts us in a good position IMO. LB, CB, DM, CM, Winger and 2 x CF as a minimum. A RB and GK if we can get the right ones too. 7-9 more needed.
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It’s a balancing act. I’m glad we’re signing(where we have the chance) the loan players who added value. This helps ensure the core spirit of the squad is retained. We can then add a few additions of real quality hopefully.
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I didn't say it precluded them Hilts, I just don't get the impression Smith and Purslow will go too far down that route based on what they and Edens and Sawiris have said.
Fair enough. I think that's limiting our chances though.
I'd agree, it's a risk, but that seems to be the approach they want to take, this stat based whatever-nomics approach.
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wes morgan leicester
I reckon
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wes morgan leicester
I reckon
That sort of deal would be completely out of kilter with what Smith and co have suggested so far.
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Mings, Cahill, Maupay, Bowen
After that i think we will pull a few European names in
Other options I could see - Tomori, Konsa, Benrahma
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Tammy and Axel are obvious loans in my opinion.
They’ll do pre-season at their parent clubs and then arrive last back at Villa as the ‘window slams shut’. Not sure either are ready for Man U/Chelsea but equally they’re potentially too good to be sold so loans are the obvious solution.
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Is there a limit to the number of loans you can have in the PL?
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Is there a limit to the number of loans you can have in the PL?
I think it's 2 domestic loans.
I agree. Especially Axel. He'll spend pre-season with them, they'll bring in a couple of expensive centre halves and then he'll realise he isn't getting a sniff and be loaned again. Tammy depends on Chelsea's transfer ban.
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Tammy and Axel are obvious loans in my opinion.
They’ll do pre-season at their parent clubs and then arrive last back at Villa as the ‘window slams shut’. Not sure either are ready for Man U/Chelsea but equally they’re potentially too good to be sold so loans are the obvious solution.
I would take Tammy’s post today to mean that the chances of him coming back are close to zero.
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What did it say?
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tammyabraham1
Verified
Where do I start. Firstly I want to thank everyone @avfcofficial for a unforgettable season ❤️ felt the love and support from the get go & we did it together! This club will always have a place in my heart. @avfcofficial welcome to the premier league 🤘🏾😘❤️ #UTV #TA18
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That does sound like a goodbye. Disappointed but not gutted.
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That does sound like a goodbye. Disappointed but not gutted.
Shame, but not entirely unexpected.
Thanks for everything and all the best Tammy!
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That does sound like a goodbye. Disappointed but not gutted.
Shame, but not entirely unexpected.
Thanks for everything and all the best Tammy!
It'll be fine. When he scores 25 for Chelsea next season, we'll buy him next summer for our Champions League campaign instead.
We'll just have to pay a bit more is all.
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It may well be goodbye for now.
But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.
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It may well be goodbye for now.
But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.
This season.
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It may well be goodbye for now.
But when's the last time Chelsea brought a youth prospect through? It may not be this window, but I would be amazed if Abraham is still at Chelsea in 12-18 months time.
This season.
You mean Christensen? I did think about him but I couldn't remember if he was a youth player or they'd brought him in.
Or Hudson-Odoi who wants to leave because of lack of chances?
Either way, their record of bringing players through isn't great and I stand by my prediction...!
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Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.
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Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.
Fair enough, I'll give you that one.
On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)
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Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.
Fair enough, I'll give you that one.
On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)
Final year of his contract and they're getting 88 million for him, no brainer.
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Hudson-Odoi, an 18 year old making 24 appearances in all comps is bringing through a youth player.
Fair enough, I'll give you that one.
On another note, isn't Chelsea selling Hazard heading into a transfer ban a bit odd? Are they that confident it'll be overturned? (general question, not specifically to PWS!)
Final year of his contract and they're getting 88 million for him, no brainer.
Ah, didn't realise he was almost out of contract. I suppose they might have one of the 1272 players they have out on loan earmarked as a long-term replacement
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Isn't abramovich doing a bit of a mini-lerner, so they're not the financial force they once were?
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Isn't abramovich doing a bit of a mini-lerner, so they're not the financial force they once were?
Starting to get that impression with him. Can't do the ground as cost well over a billion.
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Maxi Gomez (Celta Vigo) linked by his old club chairman in Uruguay.
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Maxi Gomez (Celta Vigo) linked by his old club chairman in Uruguay.
He had a great season in Spain in 17/18, goals dried up a bit this year but mobile targetman striker who'd do well in England imo so would be happy with this. In Uruguay squad for Copa America aswell.
Christian Stuani since he's left Boro has had a ridiculous scoring record for Girona so he's another I wouldn't be against us looking at although he is 32 so dosen't really fit the new policy.
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Just offer Forest and Brentford the right money for Lolley and Maupay. I'd like to see us bid for Tomori from Chelsea....
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Presume Hogan is next for the old heave ho ?
Am I alone in hoping there was something in the loan move to Sheff Utd with them having a buy clause inserted should they gain promotion?
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Bradley Dack’s worth a look.
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Signing a couple of centre forwards is essential now that Tammy looks to remain at Chelski and we don’t have any proven goal scorers on the books (given that neither Kodjia or Davis will be good enough in the Premier League). There is also a genuine argument and concerns that Tammy isn’t clinical or physical enough for the PL either so hopefully better options will have already been identified.
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We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.
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We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.
Sorry, but that's a no from me. He hardly scores for a start.
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He's a big lump. Never rated him, thought Albion got the better end of the Rondon/Gayle swap and I'm not that mad on him either.
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He's a big lump. Never rated him, thought Albion got the better end of the Rondon/Gayle swap and I'm not that mad on him either.
Me neither, I though that swop was the deal of the Summer and it would've worked for Sandwell if it hadn't been for those pesky neighbours.
Arf.
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Tomori was linked to us in the Gruaniad earlier this week.
Dack certainly looked good earlier last season, not sure he carried it through; I thought BR had put a £20m price on his head, though.
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Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
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His scoring record is excellent. 1 in 2.
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Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
He would cost about £50m and would have far better teams than us after him. No chance.
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Definitely sounds like a farewell from Tammy!
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Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.
One of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too. It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.
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Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.
one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too. It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.
Agreed.
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Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.
one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too. It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.
Not since SGT have I been as confident of a Villa head coach addressing this aspect in his transfer dealings.
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I'm not so sure... We'd have needed to buy a striker anyway that addresses Tammy's short-comings - which were evident in the Championship, let alone at the next step up. The challenge will be getting the right player that will score 15+ goals in the Premier League. £30m-£40m probably.
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Tammy will be a big loss, IMO. I know people were quite critical of his goals-per-chance, and also his hold-up play, but at his age, these are only going to improve. He also brought a lot more to to the team - his presence in our box for defensive set-pieces was fantastic, for example.
one of Smith's toughest jobs in this window will be to keep the unity and team-spirit that was such a factor in our promotion. Having already lost Hutton, Whelan & Jedinak, we're going to need some big characters in the dressing-room to fill that void. Tammy was a big part of that too. It makes keeping Mings even more imperative.
Not since SGT have I been as confident of a Villa head coach addressing this aspect in his transfer dealings.
My worry in this regard is that 'Suso' also recognises the importance here. We seem to be scouting all corners of the globe at the moment - which in itself isn't a bad thing - I just hope that we don't just blindly follow the 'money-ball' approach in attempt to source value for money, but actually appreciate that there are other important factors, aside from stats and transfer-fee. Otherwise we might as well have kept hold of Paddy Riley...
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I'm not so sure... We'd have needed to buy a striker anyway that addresses Tammy's short-comings - which were evident in the Championship, let alone at the next step up. The challenge will be getting the right player that will score 15+ goals in the Premier League. £30m-£40m probably.
See, this is where I have to disagree. You say "short-comings" I say "imperfections." I don't think it's fair to say that a 21 year old who scored 26 goals for us last season was evidently anything other than brilliant. If that had been Keinan Davis, we'd all be talking about him as a £50m player.
My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range. Rondon might hold the ball up better, but is no better a finisher, considerably slower and can't see him having the same impact as Tammy within the squad. Ditto Mitrovic.
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My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range.
It's up to someone with a global scouting network at their disposal to answer that. I don't accept there are no alternatives.
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My other concern is that I'm yet to see a credible suggestion for who else we could buy, in the same kind of price-range.
It's up to someone with a global scouting network at their disposal to answer that. I don't accept there are no alternatives.
I don't disagree that there will be alternatives. Possibly even improvements. I'm just not sure whether we should be looking for them at this stage. Abraham - in my opinion - guaranteed to settle-in. Guaranteed to understand what is required of him by the coaching-staff. Guaranteed to have an instant rapport with the supporters. Highly-likely (in my opinion) to score 10-15 goals in the Premiership. Guaranteed to make us better at defending set-pieces.
If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
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If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
Fair enough. It may all be moot anyway because judging by what he posted yesterday he isn't coming here.
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If we were an established mid-table Premier League side I'd be a lot more comfortable with the idea of bringing a relatively unknown striker in from abroad, but as thing stand, I'd be much happier with the idea of spending circa £20m to bring Tammy Abraham in permanently.
Fair enough. It may all be moot anyway because judging by what he posted yesterday he isn't coming here.
Even if Tammy does want to come back and be a regular starter in the Premier League, current circumstances at Chelsea look like meaning that he'll have to spend a season sat on their bench and starting the odd cup game. Quite rightly, his social media posts are phrased to be respectful to both clubs.
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Couple of clickbait sites suggesting we are interested in Uruguayan Maxi Gomez. Don’t know anything about him but seems to fit the profile better ie young and hungry and I see his Wiki has been tampered with😁
He would cost about £50m and would have far better teams than us after him. No chance.
If we sell the club right we'd have every chance.
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Given Juanfran is scouting la liga for us, I wonder if we have brought in Jota with half an eye on buddying New people up when we sign them? Bit of a conspiracy theory but fantastic planning by the club.
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I would have no issue at all if something was worked out for Tammy but I don’t think he’s a Dean Smith type of player. I just think Dean was smart enough to play to his strengths with the players he had and that it was at Championship level. Also the Tammy is just a super character to have around and is very coachable. But I also have no doubt that there are players out there more technically aligned to the way Dean Smith wants to play. Either way I am sure we will be fine.
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Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.
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We need to spend at least that to get a striker good enough to see us top half, I reckon. I've no idea whether said target would be worth that or not.
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We need to spend at least that to get a striker good enough to see us top half, I reckon. I've no idea whether said target would be worth that or not.
To get one who everyone knows is already good enough for the top half, not necessarily for one worth taking the risk on.
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If there is someone out there that fits the new Aston Villa profile, these owners will back the Head Coach.
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Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.
Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
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Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.
Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
Surely signing a top quality player now would give us a better chance of staying up (and subsequently making progress) than not?
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Best way to guarantee our Premier League status is to sign loads of brilliant players. You can't do that on the cheap.
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Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it. He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?
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Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it. He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?
Nothing, would be a good signing. Can see him going on to play for France and still young.
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Gomez would cost maximum 43 million by contract and probably less. That said, I'd be very surprised if we spent 30 million on a single player this window.
Gómez won’t happen. I think we are a year or two away from that kind of signing. I agree with you that we will take a positive but responsible approach to play acquisition this summer and then once established invest appropriately to make progress in the division and hopefully into European competition. Really good players will also have choices and we need to guarantee our PL status first.
Surely signing a top quality player now would give us a better chance of staying up (and subsequently making progress) than not?
With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
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I think we needed better and different to Tammy.
We need pace and Tammy cannot play off the shoulder.
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Spot on Ads. Bit more iron character wise would help too.
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How about a new LB ? Would recommend the one who plays for Marseille. He seems to be quite good.
;D ;D
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How about a new LB ? Would recommend the one who plays for Marseille. He seems to be quite good.
;D ;D
Looked disinterested and shit to me
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We could do worse than Rondon for one if Newcastle are messing around.
Sorry, but that's a no from me. He hardly scores for a start.
12 league goals in just over 30 games for Newcastle last season. When you think premier league top scorers got 22 that's not bad at all in defensive minded team.
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11 league goals, one was the LC. He's an okay player but in 4 seasons in this country he's pretty much 1 in 4 in the league and would be a milk bottle purchase.
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Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it. He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?
Think we're all still stung from Scott Hogan. Much prefer Tammy.
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With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
That's my thinking. There'll need to be 9 players come in for the squad to be the same size as it was last month, which might well happen but I can't see many being over the £10m-£15m mark, purely because it'd cost way too much
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Way to go is to get a development striker in (Maupay) and then international standard striker as your sure bet. Given we could be spending 15-20m on Maupay I'd say a season long loan for experience striker could be way to go despite what Purslow said the other day.
Many premier league clubs finishing in positions we want to do this.
I just worry if we sign Maupay and we immediately make him number one striker it could backfire a little like Gestede although he has more to his game than Rudy.
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With all of the building we need to do I wonder if we will have the capacity for that. If we are able to address all of the essentials and can add one or two outstanding pieces then it would be ace.
That's my thinking. There'll need to be 9 players come in for the squad to be the same size as it was last month, which might well happen but I can't see many being over the £10m-£15m mark, purely because it'd cost way too much
There's still a bit of fat that can be trimmed so I think there'll be plenty to spend on one or two of real quality.
We still have Hogan, Tshibola, Lansbury, Bjarnesson, Bree contracted who contribute very little to nothing.
We need the finance to be concentrated on players who contribute rather than subsidising players who are never going to play, and to stop stockpiling players in one area (goalkeepers/right backs) and balance the squad properly.
We've released 10 and are likely to lose 2 loan players, but of those 12 how much did Bunn, De Laet, McCormack, Gardner, Richards contribute. Even Elphick and Jedinak played very few times. Hutton has already been replaced by Guilbert. We've lost 1 goalie out of our 5, and we've lost 2 right backs net but gained a sub-Jack in Jota - a great example of what I mean by proper balance in the squad.
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I would expect Hogan, BB, Tshibola and Bree to all go this summer, either permanently or on loan. Keinan Davis too. I reckon we need at least one new keeper, 2 centre-backs, one left back, 2 central midfielders, one winger and two strikers so that’s 9 as a bare minimum.
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I would expect Hogan, BB, Tshibola and Bree to all go this summer, either permanently or on loan. Keinan Davis too. I reckon we need at least one new keeper, 2 centre-backs, one left back, 2 central midfielders, one winger and two strikers so that’s 9 as a bare minimum.
I don't disagree with that, but we need to continue with this wonderfully ruthless culling of dead weight as well.
We won't need Steer, Kalinic, Nyland, another keeper and Sarkic all in the squad for example. Two senior keepers and Sarkic as back-up (if they think he's good enough, if not another young keeper).
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I imagine Kalinic will go, probably on-loan. Nyland’s not fully fit yet (and still with a big ? hanging over him) so signing Etheridge would just give us 2 decent keepers - an absolute pre-requisite in this league. Kodjia was supposedly close to leaving in Jan- will he be sticking around now?
We’ve no idea whether James Chester will return to full fitness, or form even if he does. Grealish & McGinn aside, there’s very little guaranteed Premiership quality in our squad. I agree that we need a cull of the deadwood, but we also need a major, major recruitment drive.
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I’d sign Tammy plus another striker. I don’t see that it’s one or the other. Tammy has stated before that his favourite position is wide in a front 3 and I think he could be a real asset in that role alongside a more experienced/prolific central striker.
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Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
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No
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Lorente for a season and Maupay might be a decent shout. The former would score in our side the way we get the ball across.
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Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
Hell, no. Richards/Lescott Mark III.
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Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
Wouldn't it rather defeat the point of releasing all our older, no longer good enough for the Premier League players to sign a 35-year old centre half bombed out on loan to Stoke for last season?
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Maxi Gomez just scored for Uruguay.
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Huh, I had no idea that Villa legend Carlos Gil plays for New England Revolution in MLS
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Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
Hell, no. Richards/Lescott Mark III.
No. Not had a good game since we got relegated seemingly.
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I would hope we've moved on from the Williams type shit. It's taken us years to get our own crocks out as it is.
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I like Maupay but cannot get the snidey nasty cowardly stamp he did on SJG at VP last season out of my mind. My dog shit supporting mate reckons he has form and did something similar against them
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Batshauyi on loan might be a shout, albeit a very unimaginative one. Someone like Maupay alongside him seems ideal to mitigate the risk of going all in on Championship players.
Like the look of Tomori to replace Axel
Etheridge coming in to replace Kalinic with Steer holding the shirt sounds smart too.
Like the idea of Lolley and Tavernier. DM someone like Phillips (would be difficult to get now Bielsa is staying) or Chalobah
There's so much work to be done in key areas - CB, LB, DM, CF all need to be hits.
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For once, I am really content to wait and see what Dean and the crew bring in. It's been a long time since I could say this.
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He’ll probably head to Spurs, but Sessegnon would be an upgrade at LB.
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Ashley Williams anyone ? Released by Everton
Wouldn't it rather defeat the point of releasing all our older, no longer good enough for the Premier League players to sign a 35-year old centre half bombed out on loan to Stoke for last season?
Yes but we still get linked with Cahill and he’s in that category... wouldn’t think he’ll drop that much wages though
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Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
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Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.
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Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.
Solitaires the only game in town
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Ashley Williams has had a dreadful time at Everton, he’s gone as a player.
I'd prefer Andy Williams in the back four.
Watching the goals go by.
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Sessegnon is a good shout but does he really see himself as a left back?
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Sessegnon is a good shout but does he really see himself as a left back?
Did not look great once he stepped up to the PL.
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Maupay scored almost as many as Tammy and probably missed far fewer, he also assisted a fair few for team mates. All done in a weaker side than Villa. He has worked with DS before and is a bit of a nasty bastard with it. He costs less than Tammy and is keen to come to Villa. What is not to like about this ?
Nothing, would be a good signing. Can see him going on to play for France and still young.
He's a wonderful player, great technique, fast, hard working, like Tammy get's himself in the right positions but can also score from outside the 6 yard box, good with both feet and his head, overall exactly what any team would want. My only concern is he is a bit too lightweight to play as the lone striker. Put him alongside somebody stronger and we'll score for fun.
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We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.
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We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.
Yes please
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Where did you hear that TV?
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He would be a big upgrade on Albert
https://youtu.be/dLsbT8OgkEQ
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Another Smith player. Pffft.
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We’ve offered up to £12m for Brentford’s Said Benrahma who is a very quick RW but has played on the left and through the middle. Remember him scoring a lovely goal against us. 23 years old and would be a great fit opposite AEG.
Benrahma hasn't scored against us.
Maupay scored all their goals against us last season.
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Where did you hear that TV?
It’s someone I follow on Twitter called AV Agent. He’s pretty much been on the money when he does mention things. So while not 100% (they never are until the shirt stretching happens) there seems a decent chance that the offer has been made.
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Where did you hear that TV?
It’s someone I follow on Twitter called AV Agent. He’s pretty much been on the money when he does mention things. So while not 100% (they never are until the shirt stretching happens) there seems a decent chance that the offer has been made.
Picked up now on Newsnow too. Story copied from the Daily Star from a French outlet. 10m Euros.
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
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Perhaps I'm being a bit impatient but I'll feel better once new signings, especially Mings arrive. The squad looks awfully thin at the moment. I thought I could relax after all the drama and stress of the play-offs!
I'd like our owners to put a marker down with a marquee signing like Gomez. No point pissing around!
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
My thoughts as well. Actually, Dean Smith hasn't worked with him that much, as he only started him 4 times in the league.
I only saw Brentford when they played well but they also had a habit of going on some poor runs. Moreover, playing at Brentford and Villa are necessarily different challenges, as Hogan soon found out; although I think Benrahma is a much better player.
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These sites on Twitter seem to be reporting El Ghazi has signed a 4 year deal. Not sure though, it's all Dutch to me.
https://www.vtbl.nl/nieuws/artikel/4739756/el-ghazi-verlengt-en-blijft-langer-bij-aston-villa
https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=353212
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
My thoughts as well. Actually, Dean Smith hasn't worked with him that much, as he only started him 4 times in the league.
I only saw Brentford when they played well but they also had a habit of going on some poor runs. Moreover, playing at Brentford and Villa are necessarily different challenges, as Hogan soon found out; although I think Benrahma is a much better player.
Smith must have signed him though.
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
I imagine that he had talented players just not enough of them or the squad depth to see it through. But there is no doubt he managed to bring through or acquire a number of very talented players who could make the step up. What will be critical is that we just don’t rely on that approach and that we add 2 or 3 proven quality pieces. We have lots to do so we will need to bring a number of players who will be starting and challenging to start across the PL season.
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Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
I imagine that he had talented players just not enough of them or the squad depth to see it through. But there is no doubt he managed to bring through or acquire a number of very talented players who could make the step up. What will be critical is that we just don’t rely on that approach and that we add 2 or 3 proven quality pieces. We have lots to do so we will need to bring a number of players who will be starting and challenging to start across the PL season.
On this point about Brentford players stepping up, it's interesting that Mepham has not had many games at Bournemouth since his January move. Unless you count 13 as 'many'.
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Isn’t it usual these days that clubs talk to players before they agree the fee? If so, I wonder if the Brentford deal is further down the line?
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Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml
They can fuck that sky high.
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Only got one year left on his deal there, I think?
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He isn’t going to be anything close to that. With all due respect to Brentford but Aston Villa have come calling and we have offered a very good price for player they only got last year for a lot less than that. If they get stupid about it the player will get fucked off so they will end up coming to an agreement. It’s the food chain and it has happened to us and will again.
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
Well we've either been been linked with or had people recommending Maupay, Benrahmi, Sawyers, Henry, Barbet, Watkins and Konsa. Sign them and they practically will have been promoted by stealth.
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I'm sure Dean worked with some good players but like...if they're that good why didn't Brentford get promoted themselves?
Well we've either been been linked with or had people recommending Maupay, Benrahmi, Sawyers, Henry, Barbet, Watkins and Konsa. Sign them and they practically will have been promoted by stealth.
Who knew the secret to the Premier League was buried in Brentford?
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Also - are Pitarch etc doing any work?
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Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.
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Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.
The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
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Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.
The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
I have played Old Acts and can confirm the are not show ponies and a pretty tough bunch.
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Can we not rape and pillage Brentford? There are some skilful lads on the corner of Chiswick High Road just as good.
The Chiswick lads are notorious showponies. It'd be like signing old Actonians.
I have played Old Acts and can confirm the are not show ponies and a pretty tough bunch.
I didn't mean them. I meant old people who live in Acton. They're notoriously flash.
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Looks like he ain’t going to be cheap http://www.brentford-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/brentford_place_pound30m_price_tag_on_said_benrahma_as_premier_league_interest_h_927991/index.shtml
Firstly, that was posted in March and secondly, if you actually read it, it's a load of bollocks.
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Brentford’s model is built on developing players to sell them on for a tidy profit so could happen. At a market price though.
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They're pretty good at it as well. We were talking about it at work the other day:
Mepham, Woods, Egan, Yennaris, Josefzoon, Jota, Colin, Hogan, Gray, Odubajo, Tarkowski in the last five years or so is the thick end of £75m, on top of what they are likely to get for Maupay and Benrahma (presumably from us)
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Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
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They're pretty good at it as well. We were talking about it at work the other day:
Mepham, Woods, Egan, Yennaris, Josefzoon, Jota, Colin, Hogan, Gray, Odubajo, Tarkowski in the last five years or so is the thick end of £75m, on top of what they are likely to get for Maupay and Benrahma (presumably from us)
Indeed, it looks like this approach has paid for a shiny new stadium all by itself.
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Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Satisfactory, deal of the century, I think we might have to pay someone to take him off our hands.
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Also - are Pitarch etc doing any work?
I'm not sure what you mean?
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Perhaps I'm being a bit impatient but I'll feel better once new signings, especially Mings arrive. The squad looks awfully thin at the moment. I thought I could relax after all the drama and stress of the play-offs!
I'd like our owners to put a marker down with a marquee signing like Gomez. No point pissing around!
I think you are being impatient. As for making a marquee signing, I do think we need to bring in some quality at some point but doing it just to put down a marker is pointless. I'm sure they know who they want.
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I wonder if the likes of O'Hare, Doyle-Hayes and Hepburn-Murphy will be in Smith's plans. Possibly one more loan season for them but in the Championship? (Not with Wednesday or Forest though, someone with a coach).
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I wonder if the likes of O'Hare, Doyle-Hayes and Hepburn-Murphy will be in Smith's plans. Possibly one more loan season for them but in the Championship? (Not with Wednesday or Forest though, someone with a coach).
Brentford?
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They play the right kind of football.
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Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately. Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
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Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately. Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
More realistically, if they want Scott in PX I'm sure he'd be able to recapture some form with Brentford. The Championship is his level.
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Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
On a free? Why not. Never heard of him mind.
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Seeing reports of Todd Kane on a possible free transfer from Chelsea. Spent last season on loan at Hull City. Don't know anything about him, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
On a free? Why not. Never heard of him mind.
https://ninetyminutesonline.com/report-aston-villa-eye-25-year-old-attracted-by-his-versatility/
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We have been linked with -
Neil Maupay of Brentford
Charlie Austin of Southampton
Harry Wilson of Liverpool
Kemar Roofe of Leeds
Maxi Gomez of Celta Vigo
James Justin of Luton.
Said Benrahma of Brentford
And that was just on the Birmingham Mail website!
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Any business with Brentford should include a return of Hogan at the price we paid. That would be a very satisfactory outcome.
Great idea but they're not that daft unfortunately. Their whole club ethos is to pluck the likes of Hogan and sell him on to mugs like Fistface/Wyness for an inflated sum, so they're hardly likely to buy him back when they can just repeat the process with someone else.
More realistically, if they want Scott in PX I'm sure he'd be able to recapture some form with Brentford. The Championship is his level.
I was thinking along those lines. Some of these reputedly better players who will have inflated values can achieve that value in a part exchange. It obviously means Hogan is valued around £10 million for that to happen. In reality he’s £3 - 5 million and their value of whoever is actually half whatever amount they’re after too.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (1)
Sustainability needs to be at the core of any transfer activities which means that the same way that we had two plans (one for staying in the championship and one for going up to the premiership) we need to ensure that we do not gamble in this transfer window. Tony Xia and Keith Wyness gambled on Steve Bruce getting us up, and as a result, we could have gone into administration.
This could have meant us ending up in the 3rd tier or going out of business.
Whether we like it or not we are not yet in a position where we can purchase the finished articles, and as a result, we are going to have to buy players that we can improve which means that if the worst happens, they will have resale value.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (2)
There different models of transfer behaviour in the premiership.
Man U, Man city, model which is to buy what you want when you want.
The Liverpool, Southampton model of by players but do not be afraid to sell your best players if someone comes in with stupid money. (Luis Suarez, Coutinho Luke Shaw, Alex oxalate Chamberlain Gareth Bale, Virgil van Dyke) and trust that your manager and scouting team can replace them.
The Crystal Palace, Burnley, Watford model of growing within your means because you have a small fan base and small stadium and as a result try to pick up one marquee player per season. Plus hold on to your best players even if they want to go.
The West ham model of buy overpriced players who look good on You tube.
The Tottenham model and try to secure the best young talent (even if they are from the championship) and sell them if they do not make the grade.
The Chelsea model (I know they have an embargo) which was to hoover up as many of the best young talent across the world with no intention of ever playing them in your first team. Buying ready-made players and selling on the young players after they have proven themselves on loan.
The Arsenal model, which in recent years seems to consist of buying players with potential at high prices and finding that they have no resale value. Combined with holding onto players until they reached the last year of their contract and then selling them for pennies or letting them walk away for free.
The model we should consider is Tottenham’s model for the next 2 seasons as this will mean our total income will be £300 million (including parachute payments) as this would be the most cautious approach and ensure that we do not run into FFP problems if we are relegated. Going forward, we need to look at the Liverpool model where they have not been afraid to tie up their best players on long contracts and sell them if someone comes in with huge bids. That money is then reinvested into the team.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (4)
I am confused about why people are impatient regarding our transfer situation most of the football world is on holiday. I expect us to confirm all bar 2 of our loan players in the next 2 weeks (when the players start coming back from holiday) and then we should see some free agents come into the club as we need squad players this would then be followed by younger future stars as well as players we have never heard of with potential and right at the end of the transfer window I expect 1 or 2 marquee names so that everybody realises that the Villa are back.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (5)
Why do people who do not enjoy transfer speculation feel it necessary to log onto forums and make comments criticising speculation? If you only want to know when we have confirmed signings, then you should probably stick to Aston Villa’s official Twitter feed.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.
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I see the Villatransfers guy is back on Twitter.....Good to see as he's usually on the money.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (6)
Why do people post that we should make a cheek y bid for players? The only times this works is when you are bidding for something on eBay. It certainly should not be our approach to transfers.
It may be more appropriate to say something like “test their resolve by submitting a bid” or ‘ test the water’
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.
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I think they will invest prudently in a Lambert but better way in the summer and, if we’re looking shaky in January, they will spend a lot of wedge if they think it can keep us up.
Stay up this year and they’ll spend more next year and maybe go for more proven players.
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One factor that I'm sure Dean Smith is considering when he looks at targets is how they would effect our wage structure. Our strength last season was an united squad, the last thing he needs is disgruntled players complaining over money. It will be a fine balancing act but a job he's more than up to.
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LV, agree with much of what you said regarding transfer model. Important for me is that our footballing philosphy and set up works in line with our transfer model. I think our transfer model this summer, in many ways is going to be like the one we saw under Lambert and Sherwood combined. It'll be largely young and hungry and carefully scouted foreign players. Smith like many managers will undoubtedly seek players he already knows too (Jota for one).
IF manager, scouts and our board are all working under a clear plan (which for the first time in over decade I believe they are) then it should hopefully work.
In theory Lamberts first summer could have worked better. For a time we actually got some joy from some of his signings. There was potential. Lowton, Westwood and Benteke in particular. The problem was of course that Lamberk didn't have an idea of how he wanted the club to play, and among we'd changed too much too soon after McLeish's anti-football. From seeds of promise at the tail end of his first season, we regressed because supplementing the right kind of experience among those 'moneyball' players was where he failed. Where top pros like Whelan, Jedi, of that ilk may have benefitted, we were signing Richardson, Cole etc.
The signings Sherwood oversaw, again, in principal could have worked. It's no surprise Amavi, Gueye and Veretout seem to have developed. But then what experience did we supplement that with? Lescott, Richards. And did those players fit in with Sherwoods 'style' of play? Nope. Again the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. In Timmy's case, the right hand had its thumb up his arse.
We then tried blindly cherry picking the championships best for 'name your price', price tags after relegation. Lazy hiring a manager because he'd won the champions league. Then lazily replacing him with Bruce (who gaurantees absolutely nothing more than ship steadying and honest to goodness, getting by in the short term).
So yeah, in footballing terms, Smith is in. He'll try and inject youth in the side. He'll try to get us playing a consistent way, which will be progressive. It may work, it may not, but I would think that we've now got a board in place that will actually take what he's done and hire a manager who could develop and improve (should he go). We need to stop tearing it up and starting again. Every managerial change has brought with it a complete scrap of that 'plan.' Generally development in theory, is lazily replaced with a 'stop the rot, shit em up' dinosaur type. For Houllier we replace with McLeish. For Lambert we replace with the simplicity of Sherwood. RDM was never particularly looking like he had a long term plan, but that didn't work and we went back in time with Bruce.
So with how Smith wants to play, and how the club wants to progress over the next 5 years, we need to be consistent. Liverpool have done this. Man City have done this. Chelsea don't particularly do this, and despite winning things, they tend to be wildly inconsistent now. Man Utd are now essentially repeating much of what we were doing, which is why they're miles off being what they were.
I think Purslow et al have a plan, so I'm confident we'll get this window right.
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Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.
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Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.
'At the end of the day' you're entitled to your opinion.
:D
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Good points London Villan but you were a bit grumpy about them.
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Not having a pop at you supertom because so many people say the same thing but I hate the phrases 'footballing philosophy' and 'young and hungry'.
Footballing philosophy is horrific yes. Almost as bad as the 'football is a simple game' stuff from the other end. Or possibly 'football's all about opinions' is the worst.
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It's a funny old game.
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Football philosophy that passing backwards from a goal kick is a shit*
*TM TSM2
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.
If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up.
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.
Also worth mentioning they struggle to hold on to Managers as well as players!
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
It's also a curse of their buy low sell high mantra (which of course, purely for survival is more than understandable). They get close and when the following season comes and they need to progress to the level of being able to sustain a top 6 push, they've inevitably lost a couple of their better players. It's the sad reality of being a club that size in the Championship, and needing to be compliant with FFP. However, their some luck (with injuries etc) away from being a playoff side. And I'd like to see them do it to be fair.
Also worth mentioning they struggle to hold on to Managers as well as players!
Well, you can't fight the big clubs. ;)
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.
If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up.
I'm sure he has true grit
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As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital. The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.
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We were probably losing to a team of bibs and cones by the end.
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As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital. The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.
We did also buy a fair amount of dross.
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'Young and hungry' failed because it wasn't actually a strategy for success, it was an excuse for anticipated failure.
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'Young and hungry' failed because it wasn't actually a strategy for success, it was an excuse for anticipated failure.
In practice it meant 'cheap', which is what it almost always means.
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
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Its was graphite tipped cooling rods in a world of boron. The consequences, inevitable.
There's no substitution for quality and that seldom comes cheap. The expense isn't always in acquisition cost, but the thinking and choosing is equally as important when it comes to signing a player. We lacked the intelligence in this department, so we got Bowery and Bennett and Tonev.
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
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As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital. The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.
We ended Lambert's first season pretty well and I still think had we bought well that summer, things might have been different.
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As stated above, a clear strategy for the club and a transfer policy which supports it is vital. The young and hungry under Lambert was an okay plan but hijacked from within because we had no coaches, even losing ‘bibs and cones’ near the end.
We ended Lambert's first season pretty well and I still think had we bought well that summer, things might have been different.
With respect, I think Lambert's managerial career since leaving us suggests otherwise.
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Few links to Coventry’s Tom Bayliss this morning
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
Not a word of a lie in this.
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Half of the strategy from four years ago doesn't look too bad in hindsight. Guye has done well for Everton and was recently the subject of a 25m bid from PSG, Veretout is supposedly the subject of interest from Napoli and Arsenal for up to 20m, Amavi has been doing well for Marseille, and Ayew has managed to remain at PL level without tearing up any trees. Might have worked if the other half of the equation had not been fuckwit tactics Tim Sherwood and his penchant for elderly/permacrocked centre halves with a shit attitude. And Rudy Gestede.
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The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.
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Half of the strategy from four years ago doesn't look too bad in hindsight. Guye has done well for Everton and was recently the subject of a 25m bid from PSG, Veretout is supposedly the subject of interest from Napoli and Arsenal for up to 20m, Amavi has been doing well for Marseille, and Ayew has managed to remain at PL level without tearing up any trees. Might have worked if the other half of the equation had not been fuckwit tactics Tim Sherwood and his penchant for elderly/permacrocked centre halves with a shit attitude. And Rudy Gestede.
Agreed, wouldn’t mind all of those players back now as they are exactly what we need
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If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.
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They may well be better than they showed us, but I wouldn't want to see any of that 'team' in Claret & Blue ever again.
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The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.
Sherwoods reputation will forever be dictated by his time with us. After galvanising us in the wake of Lambert (Who couldn’t have after that miserable git) he was shown up for what he was at the end of the season, the Cup Final and the start of the following season, a quick fix merchant without an element of nous in either the transfer market, squad, team and in match management and an ability to talk up his abilities far behind what they actually were. Let’s not forget what an idiot he was by taking credit for the shit UK buys he bought in whilst distancing himself from the Veretout, Amavi, Gueye signings. The man was a clown who accelerated our decline ably abetted by Fox and his acolytes.
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The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.
Sherwoods reputation will forever be dictated by his time with us. After galvanising us in the wake of Lambert (Who couldn’t have after that miserable git) he was shown up for what he was at the end of the season, the Cup Final and the start of the following season, a quick fix merchant without an element of nous in either the transfer market, squad, team and in match management and an ability to talk up his abilities far behind what they actually were. Let’s not forget what an idiot he was by taking credit for the shit UK buys he bought in whilst distancing himself from the Veretout, Amavi, Gueye signings. The man was a clown who accelerated our decline ably abetted by Fox and his acolytes.
The classic "Run about a bit" moment at Leicester summed his tenure up for me.
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Hause deal done apparently announcement soon
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It seems we have bid for Benrahma https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11739007/aston-villas-said-benrahma-move-knocked-back-by-brentford
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Having read through the transfer speculation, I have a number of observations, (3)
People keep asking why Brentford have not been promoted if they have such a good side. The answers to the question seems to be that they have a really good first 11 but no strength in depth and as a result on their day there is good as anybody, but a few injuries mean that they are unable to compete. This is why they are building a new stadium to increase their income and to improve their squad strength.
Apparently we are after their winger/striker Said Benrahma, who was one of only four Championship players last season to achieve double figures regarding both goals and assists. He is apparently also known by the grand title of 'The Pearl Of Algerian Football'. Unfortunately my lack of in depth knowledge of Algerian football means I am not sure how big a claim to fame that actually is.
If we do sign him, we must hope that he doesn't clam up.
Will he be able to mussel his way into the team?
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Offer knocked back apparently (sky) they will not sell this summer.
Shellfish buggers.
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Player will want the move. He’ll be a Villa player within the next week or so.
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Offer knocked back apparently (sky) they will not sell this summer.
Shellfish buggers.
Crab news
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Aston Villa have seen a move for Said Benrahma knocked back by Brentford, Sky Sports News understands.
The Bees do not want to sell the Algeria winger this summer and are understood to have made it clear it would take a huge offer for them to even consider his sale.
i.e. up your offer and he's yours!
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he will be desperate to join us, if they don't let him they will have a very unhappy player, he will move whether to us or another premier league team.
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Aston Villa have seen a move for Said Benrahma knocked back by Brentford, Sky Sports News understands.
The Bees do not want to sell the Algeria winger this summer and are understood to have made it clear it would take a huge offer for them to even consider his sale.
i.e. up your offer and he's yours!
Agreed, he’s just a prawn in this
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he will be desperate to join us, if they don't let him they will have a very unhappy player, he will move whether to us or another premier league team.
Let's not sound like Spurs with Jack. I know they're different situations but tbh of there's one thing I've learned from our stint in hell it's how irritating it is when some arrogant PL fan tries to big time you.
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Hake news.
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‘The pearl of Algerian football’
I think the guy’s a diamond; we should jet down there and make it crystal clear to their board that we are not zircon around. They should grow a spinel, tell Ruby and Beryl the tea-ladies to pack his bags, ask Jasper the boot boy to get his kit and get him onyx way up here …
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For cods sake let’s move on.
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I am sure they will not leave him perched on the shelf. Probably angling for another million.
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What’s the odds eel sign, or will another team mussel in.
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this thread is starting to smell
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What’s the odds eel sign, or will another team mussel in.
We may roe back ourselves or it could bass us by
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Pablo Fornals...
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Pablo Fornals...
please elaborate
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Pablo Fornals...
please elaborate
Just a rumour that has started doing the rounds provided by someone who has been known to get things right. Like anything it's just that...a rumour. That we are linked with Spanish or Spanish league players shouldn't be a shock given Pitarch's history and Juanfran on the staff.
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If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.
Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?
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If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.
Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?
Possibly. We blamed the bloke who found the gems and kept the numpties who fired him who saw us disappear down the drain to near oblivion.
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Pablo Fornals...
please elaborate
Just a rumour that has started doing the rounds provided by someone who has been known to get things right. Like anything it's just that...a rumour. That we are linked with Spanish or Spanish league players shouldn't be a shock given Pitarch's history and Juanfran on the staff.
Sign him up
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If those same players were acquired this summer under Dean Smith they'd all flourish in his system. The fact that we identified them and got them in at reasonable prices is impressive and something we need to carry on doing with this staff. The fact that we fucked up the opportunity was very indicative of former PL member Aston Villa circa 2011-2016.
Didn't we sack the bloke who identified them and send him off with a flea in his ear?
Possibly. We blamed the bloke who found the gems and kept the numpties who fired him who saw us disappear down the drain to near oblivion.
That does sound us (until this season).
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Well that would be a statement of intent if true
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I am sure they will not leave him perched on the shelf. Probably angling for another million.
Hopefully we'll pay it. I though he haddock really good season.
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.
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Yes, out of the fifty or so million players he signed, about three turned a profit. We made massive losses overall. And is getting Aston Villa into Europe and losing a cup final really that big an achievement? We were spending more money than any club in the country for large periods of his tenure.
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Pablo Fornals...
please elaborate
thought Arse was after him or even spurzzzz
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.
Yes I agree, and I think most people at the time were fairly happy with MON until the Moscow debacle.
Hindsight is a great viewpoint to have , and I get the lessons learnt, but I would take the football he played in the PL, as it wasn't rubbish and getting to a cup final and into Europe again would be a big thing if we could emulate that on the playing side.
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It was absolutely just a euphemism for 'cheap' from a club regime that treated the fans like idiots as a compulsion.
Not quite. There were tonnes of pearls fed to pigs. And then there was MON who refused to be held accountable for some of the crap he played and bought. Time to move on and never repeat to worship false gods. I hope that Dean Smith, however he does in the future, will never see our club drinking from the slop bucket again.
The crap that MON bought got us into Europe and contesting cup semi finals and a final. And I think we made a tidy profit on Young, Milner and some others when we sold them.
The problem was with the numerous other players he bought who were useless (Heskey), never used (Beye) or both (Shorey) and who we just allowed to run down their contracts and walk away for nothing.
You're right, we did ok those years but the cost was insane.
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Getting Aston Villa into the top six wasn't an achievement. O'Leary, Gregory, Little, Atkinson, Taylor and Barton all did it after Saunders.
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Getting Aston Villa into the top six wasn't an achievement. O'Leary, Gregory, Little, Atkinson, Taylor and Barton all did it after Saunders.
Surely it was an achievement given the money that was coming in and the resurgence of certain teams in that era ?
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The success of those players now is not doing wonders for Sherwood's reputation.
I think pretty much everyone except Tom Fox knew he was a bit of a twat at the time, this kind of thing is just further evidence.
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