Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread

[Steve67]

So we swap Lovre with Valentin.

Well played sir!

[brontebilly]

I have to say as much as I am keen to see us making signings I can’t fail to be amused when I read some of the absolute garbage written on Twitter under #avfc - some of it outdoes the nonsense on sha forums :-) ‘pay whatever for Mings’, ‘why just crap from Championship’,’just swap him for him’,’get on with it Villa’

For me I fully trust the mgmt and will happily back whatever signings they chose to make, personally I actually don’t see a huge deal of difference between standard of good Championship sides and those 8th downwards in Premier League - sides like Watford with Cathcart, Deeney, Hughes - Leicester when they came up with Vardy, Drinkwater, Morgan - Burnley with Mee, Heaton, Tarkowski - Bournemouth with Cook, Francis, Daniels, Wilson - Brighton with Dunk, Duffy - skimming off the best that the Championship has to offer & moulding them into a team with good coaching and team spirit is fine, I would expect to see a couple of signings from the continent also to supplement those players....you know, like the 22m striker we’ve already signed.

Can’t say i’ve even noticed Webster (in fact it was after Christmas before realised Flint wasn’t at Bristol anymore and Baker wasn’t a starter!) but if Dean & co have seen something they can work with that’s fine.  Phillips & Butland a little more and would be quite happy with both.

Our current squad has a number who would struggle at an ambitious championship club I'd suggest. Without the loanees and the genius of Grealish and McGinn, you are looking at a mid table championship squad at best.

Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).

Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.

[Ads]

Our planning wasnt weeks behind. Smith confirmed we had made two plans.

[Mister E]

.... Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).
Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.

Your first para above is a statement of the bleedin' obvious for most of us.
As Ads says, there was some scenario planning going on apparently, and they have cracked on and done the deals that were there to be done, with 4 players coming in. I suspect the reality is that the club honestly did not expect to get promotion at Smith's first attempt, and so - yes - there is some catch-up. However, most clubs start trading in earnest after the June 30th deadline passes.
As for Mings: Bournemouth are doing what all well-run clubs would do - playing the market. I'm sure they know that Mings will eventually come to B6 but if Ake is also 'in play' they will want to leverage as much from both players so that they themselves can get decent replacements in. Purslow / Jesus will be playing similar games in scouting alternatives for  Mings and making sure Bournemouth know that.
And your comment re Vardy: I agree we could do with one, and I hope that one is being scouted!
The 2 absolutely key acquisitions are a LB and a DMF: failure to bring at least one of each in and we certainly will struggle.

[paul_e]

.... Quick scan suggests the following have little or no business playing somewhat regularly in the top division: Kalinic/Nyland, Bree, Taylor, Chester (if injuries are as bad as feared), Lansbury, Green, Kodjia, Hogan, Tshibola, BB. I'd expect all the "kids" to be put on loan again too. Even Elmo has struggled to make the step up in the top division before. There is no potential Vardy in that list above, no chance. Happy if we use them as trades to get in some decent players. There are some very good players in the championship but we need some experience too (Not jokers like Micah and Lescott).
Transfer business has been slow across the division generally but we urgently need a number of quality players in asap. Our planning was weeks behind everyone else too with the play offs. Mings in particular is a strange one but I can't help thinking maybe Bournemouth are hoping to sell Nathan Ake for big money in Mings position.

Your first para above is a statement of the bleedin' obvious for most of us.
As Ads says, there was some scenario planning going on apparently, and they have cracked on and done the deals that were there to be done, with 4 players coming in. I suspect the reality is that the club honestly did not expect to get promotion at Smith's first attempt, and so - yes - there is some catch-up. However, most clubs start trading in earnest after the June 30th deadline passes.
As for Mings: Bournemouth are doing what all well-run clubs would do - playing the market. I'm sure they know that Mings will eventually come to B6 but if Ake is also 'in play' they will want to leverage as much from both players so that they themselves can get decent replacements in. Purslow / Jesus will be playing similar games in scouting alternatives for  Mings and making sure Bournemouth know that.
And your comment re Vardy: I agree we could do with one, and I hope that one is being scouted!
The 2 absolutely key acquisitions are a LB and a DMF: failure to bring at least one of each in and we certainly will struggle.

I agree on those 2 if Mings happens (which i'm confident it will), Mings, or another centre back is the most important signing. Hause and Chester are literally the only centre backs we have in the senior squad. If either of them were to get injured right now then we're either playing Bree or putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman. With Chester's injury problems we probably still need another one with Chester and the 3 I named then becoming the backup options. Harsh on Chester but if he's as badly broken as it seems then he's not going to play regularly enough to offer much more.

[Damo70]

£50 mil for a kid I doubt anyone has ever heard of is ridiculous.

I reckon anyone with even a passing interest in football will have heard of him.

I genuinely hadn't heard of him until today.

I imagine I probably watched at least one Crystal Palace match last season but I don't remember it.

I also hadn't heard of Richarlison until he signed for Everton.

Watching Palace on MOTD last season was like groundhog day. Zaha goes down in the area penalty given, Zaha goes down in the area penalty given, Zaha goes down in the area penalty given.....

[cdbearsfan]

Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

[Damo70]

Some rumours of Kalinic to Nantes with Valentin Rongier coming to us. Skilful midfielder

We should take him on a temporary basis. It would be great to see 'The Loan Rongier' in a Villa shirt. Hi Ho Aston Villa!

[AsTallAsLions]

Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.

[LeeB]

Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.

More like £100m plus.

[cdbearsfan]

I'm willing to offer £10 million plus Hogan.

Have we got a deal?

[maidstonevillain]

Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

Easily 70m.

More like £100m plus.

Of which Man Utd get 25%.

[cheltenhamlion]

Hmm... How much would Zaha cost us?

About £80m if the BBC were correct yesterday in their link with him and Arsenal.

[Mister E]

... putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman.

I thought Suliman had been released?
Agree with the rest.

[paul_e]

... putting a lot of faith in Revan and Suliman.

I thought Suliman had been released?
Agree with the rest.

I didn't think so but I might be wrong.