Jacob Ramsey

[kippaxvilla2]

I think a lot is to do with the sudden rise of Rogers - I don't think they were anticipating that when he signed.  And on most measurements he has surpassed Ramsey.

[Clampy]

Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.

[kippaxvilla2]

Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.

Well it was three deflections.

[Brazilian Villain]

Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.

If we'd had Torres then, we'd have lost 8-7. Fact!

[PeterWithesShin]

And we conceded 2, both the fault of Torres.

[rougegorge]

Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.

Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.

Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investments

Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.

Watkins / Konsa / Mings ?

Here are your top 20 (from Transfermarkt - in euros)

1   Amadou Onana   €59.35m
2   Moussa Diaby   €55.00m
3   Ian Maatsen   €44.50m
4   Emi Buendía   €38.40m
5   Ollie Watkins   €34.00m
6   Pau Torres   €33.00m
7   Leon Bailey   €32.00m
8   Diego Carlos   €31.00m
9   Lucas Digne   €30.00m
10   Evann Guessand   €30.00m
11   Jhon Durán   €29.50m
12   Danny Ings   €29.40m
13   Donyell Malen   €25.00m
14   Wesley Moraes   €25.00m
15   Tyrone Mings   €22.30m
16   Darren Bent   €21.50m
17   Philippe Coutinho   €20.00m
18   Bertrand Traoré   €18.40m
19   Emiliano Martínez   €17.40m
20   Douglas Luiz   €16.80m

[Dave]

We now have McGinn or Rogers to play there, neither who are comfortable there.

Did we sell Guessand already?

[SaddVillan]

I'm not buying into all this negativity about Ramsey leaving.  Based on what he's contributed over the last 2 season’s - all we're losing is the square root of bugger all.

Put "he's one of our own" sentiment aside, if he'd been signed on a free as an 18yr old from say Wolves, everyone would be saying that it's a great deal.

My instructions to Monchi & Co: You did it once, now do it again - find another Morgan Rogers. But instead of £12+3m you can have £15+3m this time.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.

Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.

Unfair to compare the two, totally different players.

[VillaTim]

Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.

Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.

Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investments

Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.

Watkins / Konsa / Mings ?

Here are your top 20 (from Transfermarkt - in euros)

1   Amadou Onana   €59.35m
2   Moussa Diaby   €55.00m
3   Ian Maatsen   €44.50m
4   Emi Buendía   €38.40m
5   Ollie Watkins   €34.00m
6   Pau Torres   €33.00m
7   Leon Bailey   €32.00m
8   Diego Carlos   €31.00m
9   Lucas Digne   €30.00m
10   Evann Guessand   €30.00m
11   Jhon Durán   €29.50m
12   Danny Ings   €29.40m
13   Donyell Malen   €25.00m
14   Wesley Moraes   €25.00m
15   Tyrone Mings   €22.30m
16   Darren Bent   €21.50m
17   Philippe Coutinho   €20.00m
18   Bertrand Traoré   €18.40m
19   Emiliano Martínez   €17.40m
20   Douglas Luiz   €16.80m

some names on there you quickly gloss over

[PeterWithe]

I understand the reasons for this but I'm still mightily pissed off, I understood the reasons for Jack going and that was kind of inevitable given where we were and where he went. This just seems so avoidable. I'm not entirely convinced the hierarchies of clubs understand the connection between fans and players who have come through our system, or they understand it well enough and don't care.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

We now have McGinn or Rogers to play there, neither who are comfortable there.

Did we sell Guessand already?

Sent him out on loan.

[Beard82]

Unfortuantely - this is what football has become.  Its shit - and is basically just the latest installment into turning Premier League Football into WWE Wrestling.  It isnt the same sport that any of us fell in love with. 

The problem is it isnt actually a sport anymore, its light entertainment.  Content.  Football isn't measured by homegrown talent, or fairness, or the quality of the game.   Its measured in likes and clicks.  They want any kind integrity removed from it so it can be packaged and streamed to as many people as possible. The world wants to see Man Utd v Liverpool every week.  And we're just bit part players in the story.   

[OCD]

I'm not buying into all this negativity about Ramsey leaving.  Based on what he's contributed over the last 2 season’s - all we're losing is the square root of bugger all.

Put "he's one of our own" sentiment aside, if he'd been signed on a free as an 18yr old from say Wolves, everyone would be saying that it's a great deal.

My instructions to Monchi & Co: You did it once, now do it again - find another Morgan Rogers. But instead of £12+3m you can have £15+3m this time.

I think they might have done it for £22.5m+£7.5m.

[eamonn]

Or more correctly, we'll have the superior Rogers playing for us while they have JJ. Comparing Onana to him is strange as he wasn't signed to do the kind of thing JJ does, or did.

On first glance maybe but Onana was hooked for Ramsey in two of our biggest games last season, PSG at home and ManUre on the last day.

I guess my point is that although JJ's goal and assists return has been patchy he has undoubted ability and a high ceiling with a run of starts and good coaching - like when Unai first came in. He'll probably get that now at Newcastle Ufuckingnited.