Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[VillaTim]

This is Jacob Tanswell in The Athletic today. Wonder if he's had a word with David Ornstein?

Tanswell is the journo who covers Villa for The Athletic.

ASTON VILLA BOSS UNAI EMERY INSISTS HE WANTS JACOB RAMSEY TO STAY AMIDST TRANSFER INTEREST

Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery says he “100 per cent” wants to keep midfielder Jacob Ramsey after recent interest in the midfielder.

The Athletic exclusively reported on Monday that Newcastle United had made an approach, while Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich were also interested.

Ramsey, 22, is an academy graduate and a sale — in the region of £50million — would ease fears over complying with profitability and sustainability regulations (PSR) before the end of the financial year on June 30.

“Jacob Ramsey is a very important player,” said Emery. “He grew up here in the academy. His progression is clear and getting better. I want to keep him here with us.

“Teams maybe involved in the possibility to sign him, because he has big potential with Aston Villa and England, 100 per cent.”

Meanwhile, Emery says he hopes to bring players in, with Villa remaining interested in Middlesbrough forward Morgan Rogers.

“Tomorrow we are playing against Newcastle. That’s the most important than the transfer window. My focus is completely tomorrow Newcastle.

“But the club is working for some players who can leave and if we can add one or two players.”

does the left hand know what the right hand's doing

[Sexual Ealing]

This is Jacob Tanswell in The Athletic today. Wonder if he's had a word with David Ornstein?

Tanswell is the journo who covers Villa for The Athletic.

ASTON VILLA BOSS UNAI EMERY INSISTS HE WANTS JACOB RAMSEY TO STAY AMIDST TRANSFER INTEREST

Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery says he “100 per cent” wants to keep midfielder Jacob Ramsey after recent interest in the midfielder.

The Athletic exclusively reported on Monday that Newcastle United had made an approach, while Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich were also interested.

Ramsey, 22, is an academy graduate and a sale — in the region of £50million — would ease fears over complying with profitability and sustainability regulations (PSR) before the end of the financial year on June 30.

“Jacob Ramsey is a very important player,” said Emery. “He grew up here in the academy. His progression is clear and getting better. I want to keep him here with us.

“Teams maybe involved in the possibility to sign him, because he has big potential with Aston Villa and England, 100 per cent.”

Meanwhile, Emery says he hopes to bring players in, with Villa remaining interested in Middlesbrough forward Morgan Rogers.

“Tomorrow we are playing against Newcastle. That’s the most important than the transfer window. My focus is completely tomorrow Newcastle.

“But the club is working for some players who can leave and if we can add one or two players.”

does the left hand know what the right hand's doing

You do know that publications...you don't, do you? Not worth it. Jesus wept.

[Stu]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

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SUE is absolutely categoric anyway, so I wouldn't be troubled by this specific point on Ramsey, but the wider criticisms of FFP are all valid.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

does the left hand know what the right hand's doing

They share an office. I'd imagine so.

[olaftab]

I'm for any rules that strongly favour us and disadvantage all of our rivals. I would like to push for rules that reflect that state of affairs. Financial Fair Play for You; Not us.

Yes, maybe an exception for clubs that were original founder members of the league that are not moving to new stadiums and don't smell of pork scratchings and foundries.

Something like that?

No, that's too complex. Let's make it simple so it works with no loopholes, exception should be confined to any club located in B6. And I say any club not just Villa to stop wailing of unfairness.

[olaftab]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

Well it is and it's not. It's the only added value other than ticket and merchandise sales a football club as a business creates. All businesses flourish on creating added value. Having said that regulators need to clamp down on fictitious, artificially high non market worth sponsorship deal some clubs are getting away with.

[lovejoy]

Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.

Can’t be right can it?

Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m

Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.

As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.

[ChicagoLion]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.

[Rigadon]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.

Yep.  Pretty shit state of affairs.

[PaulWinch again]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.

Yep.  Pretty shit state of affairs.

Well we can, but if we want to then we need to be more judicious with the players we bring in from other clubs. It’s a choice really.

[The Edge]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.

The alternative is worse. Much worse. The brakes had to be put on clubs being backed by the wealth of oil rich nations hoovering up every available trophy.

[chrisw1]

Yep, devil or deep blue sea.  I prefer our chances with FFP than fighting two Man Citys.  But we have to get our income up without charging £80 for a midweek game (padded 1874 seats in Trinity)

[Ian.]

It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.

I think this is a real shame what his happening. I know it happens in the lower leagues, a young player with potential moves up the chain which then that transfer fee keeps that club afloat for many years, but to be selling our own potential stars to keep FFP in check when we're on the edge of success seems rather tragic.

[Smithy]

Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.

Can’t be right can it?

Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m

Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.

As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.

I read somewhere recently that the average transfer in the Premier League is now 50% higher than it was when the FFP numbers were set.  So I guess it does make sense that £105m figure should probably be brought more in line with where finances are today.  But that would really only benefit clubs with wealthy owners (like us), which I'm sure isn't the intention of the FFP rules in the first place.