Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[Dave]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.

He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).

Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.

[ozzjim]

Boro rejected £7.5 plus add ons for Rogers. Does strike me as a bit odd that Azaz was allowed to go there for £2.5m and we are being held to the for four Rogers. Not the best planning or negotiation.

[Clampy]

Boro rejected £7.5 plus add ons for Rogers. Does strike me as a bit odd that Azaz was allowed to go there for £2.5m and we are being held to the for four Rogers. Not the best planning or negotiation.

It's because of the sell on fee for Man City I would have thought.

[PaulWinch again]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.

He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).

Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.

We would and that point on the cost of Doug is relevant. We might not get offered the £100m + we might want for Doug, but if we say valued Ramsey at £50m or so we might get offered that.

[paul_e]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

Ramsey is home grown so would be better for accounts being a youth player, and also is not as key to our team as he is nothing like he was last season before the (international duty) injury.

Not really. Luiz signed on a 4 year deal for about £17m so by the time he signed his new contract in 2022 he was 'worth' £4.25m. His new contract was 4 years again so since the summer he's had an amortised value of around £3.18m and it'll be slightly over £2m in the summer which is small enough to be insiginificant in terms of FFP.

[frank black]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.

He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).

Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.

When we’re having conversations like this it’s a wonder why we’re even bothering.

Manager being forced to sell the best players to try and get a team together. I’d trust Unai to have a crack at it, but it must be a temptation to leave when the big opportunity happens.

[VillaTim]

who says he's being "forced to sell" ?

[PaulWinch again]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.

He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).

Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.

When we’re having conversations like this it’s a wonder why we’re even bothering.

Manager being forced to sell the best players to try and get a team together. I’d trust Unai to have a crack at it, but it must be a temptation to leave when the big opportunity happens.

I don’t think it’ll be unique to us though. At least for now the rules have shown some teeth and clubs will be selling players they wouldn’t have wanted to previously. It’s bloody annoying and I don’t want us to sell, but other clubs will be having similar.

[Rigadon]

Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.

I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.

He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).

Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.

When we’re having conversations like this it’s a wonder why we’re even bothering.

Indeed.  FFP is another modern day load of bollox (see also VAR) that hasn’t helped in the way it was (reportedly) intended. 

[chrisw1]

From a purely playing perspective, I'd much rather keep Luiz than Ramsey.  As good as JJ can be, we just don't see it often enough and for me Luiz is probably our most important outfield player. 

But I could see a situation where we would lose Luiz in the next 2 years or so anyway, whereas I imagine JJ would be with us as long as we want him, assuming we're still at or around the top 6.

Either way, I'd be very surprised if we've left ourselves in a position where we need to sell a big player by June.  I'm sure we're tight on FFP, but not that tight. 

[Risso]

It's a ridiculous situation. As an example, we could sell Ramsey for £50m and make that as instant profit. We could then buy a player for £50m on a five year contract (let's assume on identical wages), so the amortisation would be £10m a year. Selling Ramsey would then give us a big boost to profit that would help boost the FFP calculation for any given rolling three year spread with the year of sale in it, and it's only in later years that the £10m would hit.

The reality is though that we've got the same number of players earning the same amount of dosh, so what has forcing us to do this achieved in a financial sense? We haven't been any more financially sensible, we've just sold a youth player and bought another one.

[chrisw1]

You're right Risso, FFP is ridiculous.  Its only saving grace is that without it with Newcastle we'd now effectively have two Man Cities now and no doubt Chelsea would be going again.  With clubs owned by nation states surely owners like ours would just give up.

I think I'd rather we try and claw our way up with a brilliant manager and sensible trading than watch Newcastle do a City.

[SaddVillan]

David Ornstein reporting that Newcastle, Bayern and Spurs are interested in signing Ramsey but he'll probably be too expensive for any of them.

So probably not really news.

Ornstein's a London based rumour monger.

With the transfer window closing, lazy journos start trying to make DFP calculations and from that conjure transfer deals out of fresh air.

In the same article in The Athletic he mentioned Jhon Duran, Connor Gallagher and half of the Chelsea squad plus a few others names.

The only journos I pay any attention to are John Percy and Fab.

[LeeB]

For as much as it's a pain in the arse, it's also keeping a lid on Newcastle and to an extent Citeh which benefits us if we're very smart.

[VILLA MOLE]

At this rate Sky will have to do Repeats on Transfer deadline day .  a look back at the Golden Years