Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[paul_e]

Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.

Who's said he was this season? 20/21 was his breakthrough season and last year was the season where he should've been considered for the young player awards. This year he's an established premier league player and shouldn't be included.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.

Who's said he was this season? 20/21 was his breakthrough season and last year was the season where he should've been considered for the young player awards. This year he's an established premier league player and shouldn't be included.

Erm, that was my point. Not everything is about you, Paul.

[paul_e]

Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.

Who's said he was this season? 20/21 was his breakthrough season and last year was the season where he should've been considered for the young player awards. This year he's an established premier league player and shouldn't be included.

Erm, that was my point. Not everything is about you, Paul.

In all honesty I was wondering if I'd missed something rather than thinking you were talking to/about me.

[chrisw1]

It's amusing to see the uproar about the England squad.  Tbh I wouldn't have picked Ramsey or Watkins either.

[paul_e]

It's amusing to see the uproar about the England squad.  Tbh I wouldn't have picked Ramsey or Watkins either.

Gallagher and Phillips are in the squad, 1 is shit and rarely starts for a bottom half side the other got his first start of the season at the weekend, picking them ahead of almost anyone is bullshit. Watkins is unlucky that he had a patch of form that was directly between 2 squads.

[LeeB]

Fucking hell, Gallagher has been comically bad when I've seen him for Chelsea and Maguire will be lucky to be playing in the top flight when he gets shunted from Old Trafford.

[Somniloquism]

It is against the powerhouses of Malta and North Macedonia. We should be using them like big teams use the early rounds of the cups and blooding players on the cusp of call-ups, not just picking the same-olds.

[chrisw1]

Philips is not in direct competition to Ramsey - he's been picked to play in a double pivot.

Maguire being included is a joke, but he's been picked as a left sided centre back who Southgate trusts.  He's not in ahead of Konsa.

Just because Gallegher probably isn't good enough doesn't mean that Ramsey is (yet).  I think Gibbs White has more reason to be disappointed tbh.

As for Watkins, the truth is when fit Wilson is a better striker.  If Watkins can get back into the form he showed during his purple patch and sustain it, then of course the conversation changes.  But as a Villa fan I've no confidence he can and I don't blame Southgate for thinking the same.

[paul_e]

Philips is not in direct competition to Ramsey - he's been picked to play in a double pivot.

Maguire being included is a joke, but he's been picked as a left sided centre back who Southgate trusts.  He's not in ahead of Konsa.

Just because Gallegher probably isn't good enough doesn't mean that Ramsey is (yet).  I think Gibbs White has more reason to be disappointed tbh.

As for Watkins, the truth is when fit Wilson is a better striker.  If Watkins can get back into the form he showed during his purple patch and sustain it, then of course the conversation changes.  But as a Villa fan I've no confidence he can and I don't blame Southgate for thinking the same.

I can't agree on the bold bit, they've both finished the season strongly but Ramsey does a lot more defensive work and is a more complete midfielder. In a Southgate squad Ramsey would count as a midfielder (competition for Gallagher, Maddison and Eze) but Gibbs-White would be in as a forward (Competition for Grealish, Saka and Foden).

More generally I think you have to remember that in the last 3 months we've scored 21 and conceded 7 goals (in 14 games) and are 3rd in the form table behind Man City and Liverpool (and the latter have played 1 game more). 4 Englishmen have played a big part of that run but only 1 of them has been called up. The others have seen players like Maguire (rarely plays), Phillips (never plays) and Gallagher (is fucking shit) picked ahead of them. I think it's fine for Villa fans to be a bit fucked off about it, especially given the shit with Grealish.

[LeeB]

Yep.

[OCD]

If Mings had been left out, I would been buying into the narrative a bit more. England U21's have the European Championships this summer and having Ramsey and Archer being key players in that tournament will do them better than if Ramsey was chucked on for a few minutes in a game that was already won.

[Sexual Ealing]

Villa fans for ~ 9 months of the year: "I don't follow international football. Club over country every time. I'd prefer our players to not get picked for England - it never ends well for us."

Villa fans when a squad drops and Harry Kane is picked over Brad Young: "that ******, Southgate! Why does he hate Villa so much?! This is a fucking disgrace!"

Every time.

[Simon Page]

I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.

Why is life so hard?

[chrisw1]

I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.

Why is life so hard?

I always think if our players aren't getting call ups playing for us they are more likely to want to move to a club where they will.  It's a double-edged sword, but in the main I'm in favour of them getting called up.

[Somniloquism]

I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.

Why is life so hard?

I always think if our players aren't getting call ups playing for us they are more likely to want to move to a club where they will.  It's a double-edged sword, but in the main I'm in favour of them getting called up.

The trouble is then they are being tapped up by other clubs "teammates" or, more recently, being convinced to move clubs by the national manager.