Brentford v Aston Villa post match thread.

[themossman]

Weirdly by having that good spell he has made himself look worse because he’s highlighted his inability to cope with the loss of 2 players.

[Toronto Villa]

Another Classic to add to the ever growing pile of pathetic games 1 win in 13 now.  No doubt Smith will still be defended god knows why given what we are seeing because there isn't even a glimmer of hope of better things to come.

Do fuck off. Nobody needs your fucking gloating and happiness that we lost and suggestion it would have been better under Bruce. It's because of that wanker we are still in this pissing league in the first place and he's left the club full of cloggers and shit players.

Have to agree that 1 win in 13 is unacceptable

Nobody is saying it is. Absolutely not one person. But the last thing I need to hear from is a Bruce apologist. That fat fuck left us in the fucking shit with his obsession with shit, slow, old players who are geared to playing the lump it long game. What you saw tonight is a Brentford side that Dean Smith created. I hope that with the right investment and time we can become a better version of that.

Dean Smith has made mistakes and I won't back him up 100% on all of the choices he's made. He deserves criticism and being a Villa fan should not protect him from that. But the last thing I am going to do is compare him to the fucking dinosaur we had for the previous 2 years who nearly helped us go under.

[pauliewalnuts]

Another truly dismal performance.

Agreed.

Following your comment on the match thread do you want Smith out?

No, do you?

Not at all.

He's got a squad that aren't up to it. That Grealish, Tuanzebe and a fit Chester make such a difference is a huge worry.

We need to change so many players.

Hutton was gash again, Elphick didn't cover himself in glory for the goal. McGinn is on his own. Whelan did well the other day but tonight? Hourihane is about as anonymous a midfielder as I've seen. Green, Elmo, Adomah, El Ghazi? All much of a much. i.e. Inconsistent and unable to play in any dangerous crosses.

What a mess of a squad. That's not Smith's remit, though coaching them is.

We're just so lightweight.

That argument would hold more water if we weren't getting made to look second best against significantly weaker squads week after week, though.

[brian green]

It is hard Aftab because other clubs like Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley and the Dogheads find it so easy.  How can a tin pot team like like Brentford play us off the pitch.  Because they are more, motivated, more committed and more ambitious than we are.

Other than three things, our history, our ground and our incredibly loyal fan base we have nothing..

[stubbsyandy]

Dean needs his own players in. Stupid to suggest yet another change of Manager. The players simply aren't good enough. Overpaid wasters most of them. We have to stick with DS.

Evidence??? Please tell me there is a plan?

Brentford pissed all over us yet again with the team Dean Smith assembled playing a style of football that he imprinted into the whole club. All for a fraction of the money we have spunked over 3 years. I'd call that decent evidence for giving him time to sort out our ageing ,unbalanced squad.

I want him to be the man, but I can't see it right now

[Villafirst]

Be glad when this dire season is over....absolute garbage.

[stubbsyandy]

It is hard Aftab because other clubs like Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley and the Dogheads find it so easy.  How can a tin pot team like like Brentford play us off the pitch.  Because they are more, motivated, more committed and more ambitious than we are.

Other than three things, our history, our ground and our incredibly loyal fan base we have nothing..

I feel your pain BG

[themossman]

The most worrying sign for me is the diminishing returns from McGinn. He’s a great player, a grafter and I’d be surprised if he didn’t respond very well to coaching. Yet he’s looked knackered, frustrated and heavy footed the last few games.

If nothing else, Smith’s failure to rest him in cup games we got stuffed in anyway looks very dodgy.

[pooligan]

It hurts me to say it,but we got what we deserved tonight,nothing.Dean Smith is as far as i am concerned showing the job is to big for him.I expected him knowing everything about Brentford and how they play to be prepared and give them a game.Lets be honest they outplayed us for the whole match.As i said in the match thread he seems to be a stubborn manager and will not change his ways.Yet again he played two wingers who yet again were ineffective and had to be withdrawn.Only he knows why Hourihane  starts match after match .Two wins in 13 matches in what is a poor division is dreadful.

[Risso]

Another truly dismal performance.

Agreed.

Following your comment on the match thread do you want Smith out?

No, do you?

Not at all.

He's got a squad that aren't up to it. That Grealish, Tuanzebe and a fit Chester make such a difference is a huge worry.

We need to change so many players.

Hutton was gash again, Elphick didn't cover himself in glory for the goal. McGinn is on his own. Whelan did well the other day but tonight? Hourihane is about as anonymous a midfielder as I've seen. Green, Elmo, Adomah, El Ghazi? All much of a much. i.e. Inconsistent and unable to play in any dangerous crosses.

What a mess of a squad. That's not Smith's remit, though coaching them is.

We're just so lightweight.

I agree with all that, but it's also why Smith worries me.  He's 'Head Coach' and therefore presumably has less direct input into transfers than Bruce had, but for the last dozen or so matches there's no sign of him coaching any sort of improvement at all.  Persisting with Hourihane in the role he has asked him to do is utter stupidity. I'd rather recall O'Hare and play him for the last lot of matches.  He'd probably look just as lightweight, but at least he'd be getting experience and getting used to the Championship.

[Behind Bluenose Lines]

After 50 years of going I have finally had enough. Fuck off Villa you are shit. You have been shit for years and you will be shit for years to come so just fuck off. I have had enough.

My feelings exactly. Now get a good nights sleep then take your mind off it following Brexit and the antics of Trump for a couple of days. Come Saturday for no logical reason right now we will be up for it to beat the baggies. It's a funny old game. 

this UTV

"Form goes out of the window in a local derby"
I've heard it said.

[Axl Rose]

You can't blame Smith for the players he's inherited or the transfer activity.

Every new manager inherits players at any new club they join. Surely a head coach can do some coaching and get some results? We've been largely dreadful for about two months now.

I'd love to see us playing the football that Brentford play. We need the players to play that system, I know that. But it was suggested on the pre match thread that Brentford are crap. Well, if they're crap, we are... I don't know.

[Brazilian Villain]

Went to work at 6.30am so I could knock off early and watch the game with fellow Villans. I made more of an effort than most of the players. Utter pish, not helped by Spurs fans in the pub celebrating their 3 goals beside us!

[clash city rocker]

It is hard Aftab because other clubs like Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley and the Dogheads find it so easy.  How can a tin pot team like like Brentford play us off the pitch.  Because they are more, motivated, more committed and more ambitious than we are.

Other than three things, our history, our ground and our incredibly loyal fan base we have nothing..

Well fuckin said.

[Matt Collins]

We just need the season over with

Get as much as we we can for Jack

Ditch Hutton, whelan, jedinak, adomah,  el ghazi and try to sell Kodjia and Taylor

Then it really is a major rebuilding job. At least a two year job I think

Hopefully one or two of the kids will be ready next year although I'm not that expectant