Tyrone Mings

[N'ZMAV]

But he's an England international centre back?

so was Steven Caulker

[N'ZMAV]

Mings appeared better when Nakamba was in the team. Not sure if the stats back that up?

[Dante Lavelli]

I think Mings deserves the opportunity to play behind a stronger midfield before he’s completely written off.

No idea why, but CB seems to be weirdest position to fill.  Some clubs stumble across unheralded players that just seem to fit (Morgan / Jonny Evans / Matip) whilst others spend millions and never solve the problem.  For example Man City have bought the following.  It’s a long list to find a replacement for the largely unknown Kompany.

1. Dias £60m
2. Ake £40m
3 Laporte £58m (perfectly upgrade by the way)
4. stones £50m
5. Otamendi £40
6. Mangola £40m

[Exeter 77]

The last time we were challenging for Europe our centre backs were Richad Dunne and James Collins. I know things have moved on in 12 years but I think I would prefer Tyrone Mings over both of them.

[john e]

Every centre back will perform better behind one or two really good defensive midfielders
See England’s centre backs in the Euros playing 90 minutes every game behind two really good defensive mids

Personally I’d rather have a really good centre halves that can handle things on their own and use the extra defensive mids for good attacking players to you know push forward and score goals

Not saying we don’t need a good defensive mid but I’m not going all Alladyce/Southgate about it

[purpletrousers]

I know. I’d say Mings has helped us win more points than he has given away and helped us to get to where we are today since he’s arrived.

The criticism I get sometimes, it’s the anger along with the criticism he seems to attract more than anyone else, which I really don’t get.

I know why, and you do too.

The Leeds fans the other night. How many shite centre halves have happily plied their trade in the top flight down the years? I don't recall Richard Stearman, for example, getting serenaded in such a way.

An eloquant black man who is unafraid of speaking his mind and calling out issues is a threat to these ignorant, reactionary pricks.

Perhaps...if it was Harry Maguire I suspect it would have been the exact same though. High profile players always get slagged off more, look at the grief Grealish gets at every away ground. Konsa was having a stinker but wasn't getting serenaded. It's far too easy to throw out the racist angle.

Mings unlike some of the others mentioned, let's things get to him during a game. It's a chink in his temperament. Bamford, Wellbeck, Zaha and Joelinton last season, he hates getting rattled physically or mentally by opposition forwards. The Leeds fans the other night definitely got to him too. After a bad mistake for the first, the smart thing is to settle things down and try sort out with Konsa how to stop the might of Dan James. Let others do the ball playing. Mings did the exact opposite.

I think what was unfortunate for Mings is the interview before the game. As sometimes happens he went out to have a stinker afterwards and the Leeds fans were obviously loving it. Good thing for him is that Saturday is a chance to put things right.

Come off it. It doesn’t even need saying.

Sure being high profile means you become a target, but the way he was targeted.
What was the chant “Tyrone Mings he talks shite” I think?

It stood out like a sore thumb, the very thing to have a pop at him for! If he was as consistent and smooth in his football playing as he is statesmanlike and diplomatic in a correctly challenging way in what he says, we’d be terrified of him being snapped up by a higher flying team in the next window.

I couldn’t help but think every time I heard it, that’s the last thing objectively you’d have a pop at him about (unless you haven’t quite grasped that BLM is inherently saying All LM and frankly are quite likely to be unsettled by an eloquent black man).

You’ve got to hope he can take that kind of wind up as a compliment that he’s ‘living rent free in their heads’ as I believe the modern expression goes, and perhaps to have triggered that fanbase is the top flight equivalent of a musician getting banned from apartheid South Africa, seeing it as a badge of honour.

[Risso]

Come off it. It doesn’t even need saying.

Sure being high profile means you become a target, but the way he was targeted.
What was the chant “Tyrone Mings he talks shite” I think?

It stood out like a sore thumb, the very thing to have a pop at him for! If he was as consistent and smooth in his football playing as he is statesmanlike and diplomatic in a correctly challenging way in what he says, we’d be terrified of him being snapped up by a higher flying team in the next window.

I couldn’t help but think every time I heard it, that’s the last thing objectively you’d have a pop at him about (unless you haven’t quite grasped that BLM is inherently saying All LM and frankly are quite likely to be unsettled by an eloquent black man).

You’ve got to hope he can take that kind of wind up as a compliment that he’s ‘living rent free in their heads’ as I believe the modern expression goes, and perhaps to have triggered that fanbase is the top flight equivalent of a musician getting banned from apartheid South Africa, seeing it as a badge of honour.

At the risk of being accused of bringing it up again, it was "is fucking shite" not "he talks shite."

[purpletrousers]

Ha! Well then ignore my post entirely 😅

[john e]

Ha! Well then ignore my post entirely 😅

Ignore what mate

[purpletrousers]

Ha! Well then ignore my post entirely 😅

Ignore what mate

Always interesting what we hear/when we mishear things, I was sure I was hearing “talks shite” which caught my ear as I thought he was being targeted for his views. “Is” rather than talks is at least occasionally accurate.

I have a lot of love for TM as a man, for his openness about mental health challenges and efforts, his principles making kids football a fun thing, on BLM etc exemplified by his tweeted response to Priti Patel’s hypocrisy.

He’s the sort of man who could be, perhaps is an icon/role model.
If he made less clangers to go with the on pitch successes legend status is there for him.
Wherever it goes from here an essential part of our rise.

[Simon Page]

Laursen, Mellberg, Teale, add your own. All have achieved mythical status with their occasional brain farts and bad games forgotten. I hope this level of forensic attention on anything Mings does wrong doesn't stop him joining them. If we get a centre back in who shows he makes fewer errors and still performs at top Premier League levels, then we can think about cashing in on Tyrone. Until then, he'll more than do for me.

[Toronto Villa]

I agree Simon. Today we watch football and everything I suppose in the minutest of detail. We have numerous angles and replays of every event, scrutinized on social media and places like here. But even  the greats made mistakes. We just don’t always remember them or a way of easily recalling them. Mings isn’t one of the greats but he’s certainly a very good CB at PL level who makes the odd error in amongst some excellent commanding play. He needs better protection as much he needs to improve aspects of his game. A proper DM will help a lot in my opinion and improving his relationship with Digne on that side.

[Footy-Vill]

Mings is a good or at least as error prone as Harry Maguire.
Both aren't world class and have seen both Maguire and Stones repeatedly make basic and poor football errors including being sent off for poor defending and positional play as well as missing kicks and back passes.
All 3 are as good and as bad as each other.
Eric Dier no different.

Maguire goal scoring threat and Stones , even Dier is greater than Mings but as for football ability he's on par and the England Squad and Gareth Southagte has shown that. So he's the same as them prem league player but without Champs league experience just that he was released as a young player and hasn't had it as straight forward as them.
Probably why he hasn't been able to develop his goal scoring side.

So we can't really name any better England centre half than Mings can we and we have him!
 

[Risso]

I agree Simon. Today we watch football and everything I suppose in the minutest of detail. We have numerous angles and replays of every event, scrutinized on social media and places like here. But even  the greats made mistakes. We just don’t always remember them or a way of easily recalling them. Mings isn’t one of the greats but he’s certainly a very good CB at PL level who makes the odd error in amongst some excellent commanding play. He needs better protection as much he needs to improve aspects of his game. A proper DM will help a lot in my opinion and improving his relationship with Digne on that side.

His errors didn't need over-analysing on Wenesday against Leeds, his poor play directly contributed to the three goals we conceded, none of which were as a result of anything especially good by the opposition. He's been doing it all season, even Smith got pissed off and dropped him, which is quite a rare thing to do to your captain.

[Toronto Villa]

My comments were not specific to his last game which was bad. No sugar coating it. It’s about the criticism he gets generally which is often over the top. He does more very good things than very bad things but the very bad things often lead up chances or goals and naturally gets magnified.