Tyrone Mings

[Drummond]

He’s also done a lot of very good things. His errors certainly stand out and more so for a defender. Last night we could also question where Targett was or why nobody else picked up Martial’s run. It wasn’t all Mings’ fault.

Good points.

El Ghazi didn’t track back, Targett got done by the clever Rashford flick, Tyrone got done by the flight of the ball and Konsa wasn’t tracking Martial.  Blaming Mings is scapegoating of the highest order. It was a soft goal all round.

Surprised you didn't mention McGinn letting Pogba chip the ball over him in midfield to start the move...

It wasn't Cafu that skated down our wing though, it was the bang average AWB who can't cross a decent ball to save himself. There is one forward in the box. Mings is in a decent starting position at the front post but instead of opening out his body for a routine clearance with his right foot, he tries a circus act of a header which he makes a mess of and costs us a goal. At the root of this is once again his complete inability to trust using his right side. It's the reason he won't ever be a top defender, he is as one sided as Conor Hourihane is. Most of his mistakes are down to the lack of trust he has on using his right foot to even clear the ball, not to mind using his foot he isn't even comfortable turning his body onto his right side, it's like he loses balance when he tries. That's not easily fixable.

So the defender should have kicked it clear but the attacker was right to head it in?

[Allan C]

Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

Tyrone has been in the team for 25 of our 26 points.
Of the 5 games we've lost (that Tyrone has played) it's arguable that we should have got results in 3 of those games, but for sh-t refereeing/var decisions. I didn't see the Soton match, but the only game we were fairly beaten in imo was Leeds and most of the Villa players were to blame then.
Some people just can't help their scapegoating tendancies.

[Lastfootstamper]

Something that our opponents the other night managed to do that we've stopped every other team from doing almost entirely was get their wide men to hit the byline. We'd previously ensured crosses come from behind attackers, delivered from 25 or 30 yards out, meaning they have to do all the work to get any effort goalwards while competing with our defenders who can attack the ball while facing the right way. Look at how few corners we concede. They got in far, far too easily down the sides.

And I don't think he's fallen, he's better than he was last season. The reason he's not our best defender any more is because of Konsa's extraordinarily greater improvement.

[Moonraker]

Absolutely right Lastfootstamper, absolutely right.

[passport1]

Yes we have always liked  to find a scapegoat in our team however well we have been playing. The error if indeed there was one was the fact that McGinn was providing the cover on the cross and basically running in treacle. A faster player may have got a block in but that is where the damage was done.

[Flamingo Lane]

I've stayed away from here since the game, as I didn't want to have to keep reliving the disappointment.  Still however, when I think about their first goal, all I can see in my mind is Traore's free kick sailing into the stand.

[rob_bridge]

Yes we have always liked  to find a scapegoat in our team however well we have been playing. The error if indeed there was one was the fact that McGinn was providing the cover on the cross and basically running in treacle. A faster player may have got a block in but that is where the damage was done.

All clubs fans like a scape goat - even Liverpool late 80s had Barry Venison. Other than the United treble winning side or Arsenal's invcibles seemingly.

He was at fault for the goal but was a little unlucky and others were also not as sharp as they could have been. It was also a well worked goal

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t think he was at fault for the goal. There were several components that led to the goal, and he could have done better in cutting out the cross. But for me that doesn’t make him at fault any more than some of the other events that led to it.

[fredm]

The goal came about primarily because we did not track the runner out wide who eventually put the cross in.  With our policy of playing the full backs fairly tight into the centre of the field other teams know there is space out wide to get runners into.  Therefore it is imperative that these are tracked.  If no one tracks them, then we are in trouble.

[Mister E]

The goal came about primarily because we did not track the runner out wide who eventually put the cross in.  With our policy of playing the full backs fairly tight into the centre of the field other teams know there is space out wide to get runners into.  Therefore it is imperative that these are tracked.  If no one tracks them, then we are in trouble.

You're right but the Pogba flick over McGinn's head followed by a very crisp 1-2 beat our defence. It happens.
Mings could have done better but the fact that Martial cleverly anticipated the ball meant that Mings' clearance hit him. Unfortunate.

It may sound flippant, but these things happen. Far more frustrating was the 'penalty' given away.

[Gerrin]

Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team

It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.

[brontebilly]

Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team

It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.

Burnley...and that was one of his better games this season. Destroyed by Bamford v Leeds was probably the worst. Destroyed by Wellbeck too. At fault for the Salah goal v Liverpool. Poor in the defeats v West Ham and Southampton. I seem to recall a brain fart v Arsenal when he went running with the ball across the box that nearly led to a goal. Sent off v Palace. It's long past the stage of odd errors with Mings.

[Gareth]

Ahh how the mighty have fallen. From “confirmed as even more awesome” to “not even the best central defender at the club” As has been pointed out on here he wasn’t the only one at fault for the goal. The cross was at an awkward height and IMO he made the right choice by attempting to head clear. It didn’t work but there have been hundreds of occasions when it did. If you want to see an overrated CB then look no further than the lumbering idiot at the other end that night. I know who I’d rather have in our team

It is a shame he's getting a hard time at the moment, for me he'll always be awesome, just for the promotion run. He made a huge difference, I think he's still finding his feet in the PL though, everyone is prone to the odd error. The mistakes that annoy me are the ones like his spat with Zaha, that was stupid. And the one, forgot which game, where he went down outside the opposition box looking for a foul and stayed down. While the other team almost went up the other end and scored.

Burnley...and that was one of his better games this season. Destroyed by Bamford v Leeds was probably the worst. Destroyed by Wellbeck too. At fault for the Salah goal v Liverpool. Poor in the defeats v West Ham and Southampton. I seem to recall a brain fart v Arsenal when he went running with the ball across the box that nearly led to a goal. Sent off v Palace. It's long past the stage of odd errors with Mings.

I would disagree, the 40 minutes v Palace were poor but other than that he is a normal defender in a key position, wins some & loses some challenges.  After the promotion 6 months where he was immense against Championship strikers and got his cult hero status the expectation level was through the ceiling. 

For me if England had a couple of quality centre backs (we have none) he would be nowhere near the international team but he is at least as good as the others selected. 

I think when we defend as high up the pitch as we have this season and you are a centre half who is moderately quick not jet heeled like a Des Walker was there are going to be times, particularly on the turn that you are going to be caught out.

Hause will never be a first choice in this league because he isn’t good enough with the ball at his feet, if you want a defender off the bench when under the cosh he is great but not week in week out.

Mings like Targett could do with genuine competition for the shirt but at the moment they are both comfortably in possession for me.

[mike]

After the Beeb positivity he also gave t a good write up in the Guardian today, even though they acknowledge his role in the goal. We moan about the press not recognising our players then disagree with them when they do! By the by, I’m impressed they highlighted Villa rather than the other team.