Quote from: dcdavecollett on July 18, 2020, 05:27:14 PMWould this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?Or was he coached into the England side by John Terry?
Would this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?
We have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 18, 2020, 06:06:55 PMQuote from: dcdavecollett on July 18, 2020, 05:27:14 PMWould this be the same Tyrone Mings who has been coached by Dean Smith into the England side and who richer clubs may now want to buy?Or was he coached into the England side by John Terry? or was there just a lack of top quality England defenders?
Quote from: Newby on July 18, 2020, 09:14:06 AMWe have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.How much of that is down to coaching and how much is "He's shit get rid of him" after five minutes?
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2020, 06:13:55 PMQuote from: Newby on July 18, 2020, 09:14:06 AMWe have to remember though, that our recruitment record is a joke, or, I should say, our coaching of players purchased has been a joke, and other managers will see the opportunity in Mings to get him coached properly, put proper players next to him, and watch him flourish, a la Gueye, Traore, Veretout, Ayew, Stevens, Hogg, Gollini. I will leave it there because there are so many of them.How much of that is down to coaching and how much is "He's shit get rid of him" after five minutes?This is exactly what has been grinding my gears for years. Good coaches will see the potential and spend time with players developing them. As you say there are so many examples that it really calls into question the quality of the coaching set up. There's far too much of the "he's shit get rid" mentality.
He only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching.
Quote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 07:36:56 PMHe only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching. Finally, some perspective. The abuse Tyrone is getting is way over the top. He's made mistakes but I'd much rather be with him than without him, and we were a lot worse defensively when he was out. When did everyone become so eager to turn against our own players?
Quote from: Olof's Beard on July 18, 2020, 08:32:18 PMQuote from: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 07:36:56 PMHe only started playing centre back regularly in the championship with us. Since then he has massively helped us win promotion, got in the England team and had some good games at this level. The keeper changing behind him since Christmas hasn't helped, the changing of centre half partners hasn't either, or indeed full backs outside him in his first season in that position at this level. Hes not been as bad as some make out, and has not been as good as he was in the league below. As far as coaching goes, Konsa has improved as the season has gone on, as has Luiz. Grealish looked incredible in the first few months of the season. Point being some players have improved, some have fallen away, but I don't think it is all down to the coaching. Finally, some perspective. The abuse Tyrone is getting is way over the top. He's made mistakes but I'd much rather be with him than without him, and we were a lot worse defensively when he was out. When did everyone become so eager to turn against our own players?Yes I think the Tyrone stuff has been stupid. Overall in his 18 months at the club he’s been a cracking player. I’d be delighted if he remained here.
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