Tyrone Mings

[jwarry]

I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious

We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him

really cannot see what the delay is

The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.

Yes we will have submitted a desultory bid and now they will just hope someone comes in with a higher bid so we have to match it. I’m afraid it’s going to be a waiting game. The good news is he knows how we play so shouldn’t take any time settling in

[Toronto Villa]

Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.

[paul_e]

Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.

I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I genuinely thought this was to be the easiest and quickest signing we have ever made - it just seemed so obvious

We love him
He loves us
Bournemouth were not interested in him

really cannot see what the delay is

The matching bit obviously meant that Bournemouth were hoping other clubs put in bids for him and drove up the price we would have to match. I’m pretty sure Mings and his agent would have met/spoken with Smith/Purslow before the holidays so and will have signalled their intentions to Bournemouth about the desire to join Villa. Bournemouth won’t be in any rush on this one at all as they will want to firm up their own plans before selling Mings to us. It will happen eventually.

Yes we will have submitted a desultory bid and now they will just hope someone comes in with a higher bid so we have to match it. I’m afraid it’s going to be a waiting game. The good news is he knows how we play so shouldn’t take any time settling in

Is that the story doing the rounds in the Henley tea shops?

[john e]

Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.

I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.

Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons

[paul_e]

Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.

I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.

Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons

I know, I'm just pointing out that offering £12-15m as our opening offer would be wrong, in my opinion.

[john e]

Why will we have offered a desultory offer and not one we feel is market value based on a number of stats? The emotion I hope would have been taking out of it outside of our desire to buy him. But I don’t think we will have gone in at £6-7 million for example, more like £12-15m hoping to find some common ground with how they value a player who hasn’t played a lot for them.

I'd have offered £10m on the basis that they paid less, he's barely played for them, and he's had a lot of injury problems. If they're expecting £15m or more then his performances for us will be responsible for more than half of the fee.

Yep and that’s exactly how loaning players out works
you are basically developing someone else’s player but gain his playing services while he’s there
works both ways as we send players out on loan for the same reasons

I know, I'm just pointing out that offering £12-15m as our opening offer would be wrong, in my opinion.

Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured

he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning

i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me

[danno]

Has there been any word about the sort of fee they are looking for?

[paul_e]

Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured

he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning

i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me

What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.

[AsTallAsLions]

Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured

he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning

i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me

What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.

Half of this is conjecture. You don't know that Bournemouth don't want him, he pulled up trees for us last season and if they do sell Aké then maybe they've earmarked Tyrone to replace him. Equally you don't know that he's not willing to join another club, just because he struck up an affinity with our fans and our great club last season doesn't mean he couldn't bear to go elsewhere. He will do what's right for him and his family, not Villa supporters, and he's got every right to do so. We need to curb the assumptions that he's just hanging around waiting for us to kick the door down and save him from exile, the footballing community has now seen what a great player and character he is, so he will have options.

[wittonwarrior]

I do want him but things seem to be conspiring against the signing so for now thanks for the memories Tyrone

[The Edge]

Talk sport reporting that Man City are lining up a bid for Nathan Ake. If it's true that could wreck our plans to sign Mings. First bit of bad news we've had for a while. Hopefully it's just talk sport talking shite again.

[paul_e]

Your buying the player he is now not the one that played a few times for Bournemouth and got injured

he’s a 20-25m player all day long for me
I’ve said this from the beginning

i don’t blame Bournemouth one bit asking for more money if that’s what they’ve done
I wouldn’t let the bloke go at all if it was me

What has any of that got to do with what our opening bid should be? I don't blame them for asking for more but I'd be upset with Villa if we went straight in for that sum, when the player seemingly has no intention of staying or going anywhere else and the manager doesn't want him. It works for everyone for this transfer to complete so even if they see him as worth £25m I doubt we'll pay anything like that much.

Half of this is conjecture. You don't know that Bournemouth don't want him, he pulled up trees for us last season and if they do sell Aké then maybe they've earmarked Tyrone to replace him. Equally you don't know that he's not willing to join another club, just because he struck up an affinity with our fans and our great club last season doesn't mean he couldn't bear to go elsewhere. He will do what's right for him and his family, not Villa supporters, and he's got every right to do so. We need to curb the assumptions that he's just hanging around waiting for us to kick the door down and save him from exile, the footballing community has now seen what a great player and character he is, so he will have options.

Of course it is, in exactly the same way that it is conjecture that he'll cost £20-25m, or in exactly the same way as suggesting that rumours of them selling Ake could mean they want to keep him. My use of 'seemingly' covered the fact that I was sharing an opinion based on what I'd seen and heard and not on specific quotes. Again, I think it works well for everyone for him to join and that means that his value will be negotiable and will end up as something around 15-17m.

[Risso]

One decent looking journalist on Twitter saying it’s all but done.

[mr underhill]

Only when he's in the shirt at BMH signing the contract will I believe that!