The International Cricket Thread

[Monty]

This is an astonishing shitshow. Pope, Curran and Foakes must come in, and Root must be replaced as captain.

What if Jimmy's fit?

Frankly I'd have him in over half the batsmen right now.

[Rory]

No doubt it will have been 'one of those days, shouldn't panic, still a good side, credit to the Australian bowlers, made it difficult for us'. More platitudes.

Root really does irritate me as a captain. There's remaining positive, and there is talking bollocks.

To be fair, footballers and managers do that all the time.  All sportsmen do it.  I remember Jo Konta talking absolute horseshit after she megachoked in the Frecnh Open semi.

They do, and that irritates me too. No need to throw people under the bus or become defeatist, but when there is a problem I like to hear that it is recognised by the coach and captain. And 3 or 4 double figure first innings totals in two years suggests a whopping problem.

[Risso]

Blimey, if Warner’s going to waft like that, maybe there is hope

I don't think we'd get their total if we were batting again now.

The very least that has to happen is Root being dropped as captain.  He needs to go away and join Moeen Ali in thinking about what he's done.

[Rory]

Blimey, if Warner’s going to waft like that, maybe there is hope

I don't think we'd get their total if we were batting again now.

I agree, they've been infected by panic and recklessness. Would love to be proved wrong but I fear the damage is done.

[PaulWinch again]

Mentally destroyed, that stupid review shows it. Root has been a really poor captain.

[taylorsworkrate]

Its harsh to say very average Australia. Yes their batting line up is a bit crap, but the seamers and Lyon are all very good.

Not that good that its remotely acceptable to be rolled out for 67 in very good batting conditions granted.

[PaulWinch again]

I’m raging about how bad the batting is.

[PaulWinch again]

To get out for 60 odd given the position we were in, in these conditions, was completely unprofessional. Doesn’t look too hard for the Aussies does it?

[hilts_coolerking]

As someone on the BBC just said, Australia could probably declare now and win.

[taylorsworkrate]

No doubt it will have been 'one of those days, shouldn't panic, still a good side, credit to the Australian bowlers, made it difficult for us'. More platitudes.

Root really does irritate me as a captain. There's remaining positive, and there is talking bollocks.

To be fair, footballers and managers do that all the time.  All sportsmen do it.  I remember Jo Konta talking absolute horseshit after she megachoked in the Frecnh Open semi.

They do, and that irritates me too. No need to throw people under the bus or become defeatist, but when there is a problem I like to hear that it is recognised by the coach and captain. And 3 or 4 double figure first innings totals in two years suggests a whopping problem.

Root blamed the groundsman for the Ireland debacle, saying the pitch "wasn't up to test standard".

Well we've now been bowled out for 67 in bright sunshine and a flat deck.

[Monty]

The batting was so feckless, as in no fecks were given.

[PaulWinch again]

Woakes has been poor in this Test.

[Rory]

No doubt it will have been 'one of those days, shouldn't panic, still a good side, credit to the Australian bowlers, made it difficult for us'. More platitudes.

Root really does irritate me as a captain. There's remaining positive, and there is talking bollocks.

To be fair, footballers and managers do that all the time.  All sportsmen do it.  I remember Jo Konta talking absolute horseshit after she megachoked in the Frecnh Open semi.

They do, and that irritates me too. No need to throw people under the bus or become defeatist, but when there is a problem I like to hear that it is recognised by the coach and captain. And 3 or 4 double figure first innings totals in two years suggests a whopping problem.

Root blamed the groundsman for the Ireland debacle, saying the pitch "wasn't up to test standard".

Well we've now been bowled out for 67 in bright sunshine and a flat deck.

Yep. On a tricky deck, against some outstanding bowling, you can understand and forgive the odd 150 score. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case against Australia, or Ireland, or West Indies, or New Zealand.

The red flag is the length of our innings - we don't try to tough it out and bat time, we don't play the conditions, we don't scratch our way to 200 in 80 or 90 overs; we just fold.

Being outplayed or having bad days are just part of sport, but it's that lack of application that gets to me. As soon as things get tough it's as if our collective mindset is 'oh well, write this test off and move onto the next one'.

[PaulWinch again]

I keep coming back to what Buttler said after the World Cup. It was something along the lines of ‘if I don’t do anything else in my career I can be happy.’

It may have been throwaway, but speaks to a serious lack of motivation. Combine that with having averaged under 20 this year in Tests you wonder how he’s playing.

[cdbearsfan]

I'd put that down to post-Final euphoria rather than not giving a shit. Refuse to believe that any players don't care about The Ashes. They just haven't been good enough.