Someone saying on the radio earlier that he has a history of being supportive to players from other ethnic backgrounds and working in communities. Perhaps he doesn't feel that the cricket authorities should be ordering the team and him as captain, to do things. I went over there to watch England last year and it was clear that there were major issues between the cricketing authorities and players, which seemingly haven't been resolved since.
Impressive from England again. You’d imagine that if we beat Australia on Saturday we’ll almost be through.
It's pretty pathetic that any player goes out of their way to avoid showing solidarity with victims of racism. It's particularly repugnant given his country's history. It is entirely understandable that South Africa want to show the world that those days are behind them, and he's an arse for opposing their efforts.All players in just about every international sport have been required to stand respectfully during their (and their opponents') national anthem for years. Basically none of them ever seemed to have a problem with their liberty being restricted then.If the tipping Zpoint for him is when his cricket board asks him to show solidarity with victims of racism, including Apartheid, then it is him that is the problem, not the cricket board or the ICC.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on October 26, 2021, 11:52:24 PMIt's pretty pathetic that any player goes out of their way to avoid showing solidarity with victims of racism. It's particularly repugnant given his country's history. It is entirely understandable that South Africa want to show the world that those days are behind them, and he's an arse for opposing their efforts.All players in just about every international sport have been required to stand respectfully during their (and their opponents') national anthem for years. Basically none of them ever seemed to have a problem with their liberty being restricted then.If the tipping Zpoint for him is when his cricket board asks him to show solidarity with victims of racism, including Apartheid, then it is him that is the problem, not the cricket board or the ICC.Turns out that he is mixed race and his issue was with the authorities in SA instructing players that they had to do something. Glad it has been resolved though, as he is a terrific cricketer and the tournament is better with him involved.
Quote from: tomd2103 on October 26, 2021, 11:41:07 PMQuote from: Rory on October 26, 2021, 11:16:55 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2021, 08:51:20 PMQuote from: UK Redsox on October 26, 2021, 01:40:25 PMUnless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327It’s baffling. Whether you think the gesture is worthwhile or not you must feel really strongly about something to remove yourself from the World Cup. I can’t see it meaning anything other than what you’d think it means.Agreed Paul. Unless his entire family were killed while taking mass, I cannot understand his decision.If it's gesture politics, along the lines of 'I don't kneel for any man' then he's hardly Muhammad Ali. It's not as if he's required to sacrifice white children for Kwanzaa.The cricket captain of a country with a deeply racist past (and present) choosing not to make a gesture of solidarity with his teammates and countrymen - well, it's not a good look.I'd be ashamed if Root or Morgan did the same without extraordinary mitigation.Someone saying on the radio earlier that he has a history of being supportive to players from other ethnic backgrounds and working in communities. Perhaps he doesn't feel that the cricket authorities should be ordering the team and him as captain, to do things. I went over there to watch England last year and it was clear that there were major issues between the cricketing authorities and players, which seemingly haven't been resolved since. Thanks for the insight, Tom.You'd think they would've worked this out beforehand. It's not turned out well for them, bit of a PR fuck up.If the BBC are correct, it sounds like it could be a bit of friction between CSA (who allow kneeling, a fist salute or standing to attention) and the ICC (who presumably are requesting players take a knee).
Quote from: Rory on October 26, 2021, 11:16:55 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2021, 08:51:20 PMQuote from: UK Redsox on October 26, 2021, 01:40:25 PMUnless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327It’s baffling. Whether you think the gesture is worthwhile or not you must feel really strongly about something to remove yourself from the World Cup. I can’t see it meaning anything other than what you’d think it means.Agreed Paul. Unless his entire family were killed while taking mass, I cannot understand his decision.If it's gesture politics, along the lines of 'I don't kneel for any man' then he's hardly Muhammad Ali. It's not as if he's required to sacrifice white children for Kwanzaa.The cricket captain of a country with a deeply racist past (and present) choosing not to make a gesture of solidarity with his teammates and countrymen - well, it's not a good look.I'd be ashamed if Root or Morgan did the same without extraordinary mitigation.Someone saying on the radio earlier that he has a history of being supportive to players from other ethnic backgrounds and working in communities. Perhaps he doesn't feel that the cricket authorities should be ordering the team and him as captain, to do things. I went over there to watch England last year and it was clear that there were major issues between the cricketing authorities and players, which seemingly haven't been resolved since.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2021, 08:51:20 PMQuote from: UK Redsox on October 26, 2021, 01:40:25 PMUnless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327It’s baffling. Whether you think the gesture is worthwhile or not you must feel really strongly about something to remove yourself from the World Cup. I can’t see it meaning anything other than what you’d think it means.Agreed Paul. Unless his entire family were killed while taking mass, I cannot understand his decision.If it's gesture politics, along the lines of 'I don't kneel for any man' then he's hardly Muhammad Ali. It's not as if he's required to sacrifice white children for Kwanzaa.The cricket captain of a country with a deeply racist past (and present) choosing not to make a gesture of solidarity with his teammates and countrymen - well, it's not a good look.I'd be ashamed if Root or Morgan did the same without extraordinary mitigation.
Quote from: UK Redsox on October 26, 2021, 01:40:25 PMUnless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327It’s baffling. Whether you think the gesture is worthwhile or not you must feel really strongly about something to remove yourself from the World Cup. I can’t see it meaning anything other than what you’d think it means.
Unless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327
Quote from: Rory on October 26, 2021, 11:47:48 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on October 26, 2021, 11:41:07 PMQuote from: Rory on October 26, 2021, 11:16:55 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2021, 08:51:20 PMQuote from: UK Redsox on October 26, 2021, 01:40:25 PMUnless he has a very good reason, Quinton appears to be a bit of a Kockhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327It’s baffling. Whether you think the gesture is worthwhile or not you must feel really strongly about something to remove yourself from the World Cup. I can’t see it meaning anything other than what you’d think it means.Agreed Paul. Unless his entire family were killed while taking mass, I cannot understand his decision.If it's gesture politics, along the lines of 'I don't kneel for any man' then he's hardly Muhammad Ali. It's not as if he's required to sacrifice white children for Kwanzaa.The cricket captain of a country with a deeply racist past (and present) choosing not to make a gesture of solidarity with his teammates and countrymen - well, it's not a good look.I'd be ashamed if Root or Morgan did the same without extraordinary mitigation.Someone saying on the radio earlier that he has a history of being supportive to players from other ethnic backgrounds and working in communities. Perhaps he doesn't feel that the cricket authorities should be ordering the team and him as captain, to do things. I went over there to watch England last year and it was clear that there were major issues between the cricketing authorities and players, which seemingly haven't been resolved since. Thanks for the insight, Tom.You'd think they would've worked this out beforehand. It's not turned out well for them, bit of a PR fuck up.If the BBC are correct, it sounds like it could be a bit of friction between CSA (who allow kneeling, a fist salute or standing to attention) and the ICC (who presumably are requesting players take a knee).All a bit of a PR disaster. Personally I don't think any team or association should be forcing players to take the knee though. It makes the gesture less powerful if people know that some people are doing who don't really want to, and it brings out the possibility of situations like this. You'd hope that most people would want to because they're decent people, but if they're not, let them out themselves.
I think the Aussie game will be tricky. But they’ve virtually got their Test seam attack playing - they’re brilliant bowlers - but I feel like in short format they can be predictable and got at.