Dean Smith - Confirmed

[Footy-Vill]

But it shows a downward trajectory from last Christmas, so you can take games and performances from last season, have things got better, worse or stayed the same?

I believe we beat Cheslea and Spurs our last two matches of the season
So hardly bad form going into this.
In fact showed alot of character after the debacle at Palace to bother with the last two matches that everyone thought Villa would lose.
I think that says something in some ways.
But that's not so much debate now as different squad different coaches but same head coach.

We lost to West Ham last season and we have this they clearly are a bogey side at the moment.
10pts after 10 games this season
Last season it was 18pts after 10 games so we are not doing as well as last season

[Three Spires Villa]

No we are not. With the money spent and players available this squad should not be 3 points of relegation and playing this bad, it just shouldn’t be and you can try to spin it anyway you like, but Deans recent results have been poor.

[passport1]

He's probably a decent Championship manager and  it is unlikely we will see him managing  in the Premiership again after Villa pull the trigger. It would be better for all concerned if he left with some dignity before things start to turn toxic.

[paul_e]

A quarter of the way through, we're shipping goals for fun and we have morphed into a side when we attack that Pulis would have been proud of. We cannot defend, we're wretched on the midfield and we lack any structure. It's fucking appalling when you consider the money spent and the players available.

I want him to succeed, but these losing streaks haunt him and us. We cannot carry him and its time for him to go.

Hard to argue with that. I get all the arguments to keep him and I'd have been making a lot of them a few weeks back but right now the team is so disjointed that I just worry any more games he gets will either make things worse or will see a positive result that papers over the cracks for a while, I just hate seeing us look so lost.

[Demitri_C]

Just read a stat. Smiths won 7 games in 29. How the hell is this man still in a job??

The 6 losses out of 10 I would concede is a little more concerning but am still hopeful with Dean of turning around.

The longer period stat of this 7 wins 29 matches isn't really a fair context as that's over from last season which is completely different.
So not fair to comment or judge on that to me.

Judge him by this season.

The thing is mate we shouldnt really dismiss last season as that shows he has taken poor from last year into this year. 7 wins is woeful. Relegation form.

I mean doesnt inspire much confidence he is going to turn it around ?

[Footy-Vill]

That's a fair point but so much change has happened really difficult for Smithy.
Feel for him.
Get why some are angered by the results and performances but in bigger picture just feel he's the right man and the patience is needed.

Deano is right fit in so many ways and will bring on our quality youth players into first team.
I guess our ascent on the top 4 may take a little longer but overall can be exciting to see this squad and academy come through.

I wouldn't be so hopeful of other coaches coming in doing that whereas Smith is all about development and growing so in that respect replacing him is short termism.
Of course if there's certain targets or remits required for his position. And that certain progression hasn't been achieved either in player personnel , cup victory or league position then that's something to  be reviewed.

To me I've always thought Deano has issue with a squad based game and would use players sparingly rather than rotation he likes to have little change to his starting line up
That is something to be improved upon and probably a real challenge to understand that having never dealt with big squads before.

If Villa were to make a change then what would be required is a coach who rotates and uses a squad but I'm not yet wanting a change.

[Villan82]

Footy, every manager has to deal with those sort of problems. They are paid to deal with them and manage their resources in such a way as to get the results.

He is three years in the job, our third year in the top flight under him, and it is arguably the worst we have looked in those three years. That isn't acceptable.

[Footy-Vill]

Craig Shakespeare what about him what's his influence in all this?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Craig Shakespeare what about him what's his influence in all this?

Coaching the players and advising the manager who takes ultimate responsibility.

[Footy-Vill]

Yet we all know for continuity Shakespeare will be stepping in if Dean was ousted.  Even if short term.
Is that what we want?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Think most people just want to win games. Are you saying managers shouldn’t be replaced because if the timings don’t work out in getting a replacement the current assistant manager might have to take charge for a game? Because if you are that’s bonkers.

[Footy-Vill]

I will just wait now for Friday 5th and Southampton away for anymore on Dean Smith
Up the Villa.

[BC Villain]

Footy, every manager has to deal with those sort of problems. They are paid to deal with them and manage their resources in such a way as to get the results.

He is three years in the job, our third year in the top flight under him, and it is arguably the worst we have looked in those three years. That isn't acceptable.

At the moment, we look every bit as bad as we ever did under Steve Bruce - who was hammered to the point of having vegetables lobbed at him.

[curiousorange]

I really don't understand why as a club, we persist in giving failing managers more time than they really ought to get. How often has it led to an upturn in form? And no, I don't count the covid gap, since that was an unprecedented situation.

[RichardBatchelor]

I really don't understand why as a club, we persist in giving failing managers more time than they really ought to get. How often has it led to an upturn in form? And no, I don't count the covid gap, since that was an unprecedented situation.

But it’s 4 games. This isn’t Lambert.