Dean Smith - Confirmed

[brontebilly]

Lose next one and that should be it for him.

It should be it for him now.

It should be but to be fair...a lot has gone wrong of late including yesterday with Martinez, Ramsey's injury, covid again

It usually happens managers at the end but they start panicking and doubting themselves. Young for Ramsey was a panic decision, Young was terrible v Brentford in a midfield three so that was never going to work. Despite Villa Park probably going into meltdown, the pragmatic decision there would have been to bring Mings in and switching to a 5.  Could have then looked to switch Young in for Targett as a LWB later in the game.

Arguably taking off Buendia instead of Bailey was another poor one. Bailey vindicated Smith's comments pre game that he wasn't fully fit with his performance. Buendia wasn't great but did have an assist. Smith was forced to take off Bailey anyway soon enough afterwards as he was gassed. Again supporters wouldn't have been happy with Bailey being hooked at the time but I think Deano doubted himself on it so took the easier option.

It's a really tough one for Smith on Friday night. Targett and Hause both lost their minds late on yesterday, Buendia acting up again, Bailey clearly not fully fit. More covid problems, Ramsey injured, other players injured with muscle injuries (sign of a shambolic pre season for me).

We can only hope Mings gives his all this week at training and tries to pull the players together. Hope Luiz and Sanson are fit. 433 again and go out fighting for the manager that gave loads of them their big chance in this division. I really hope we don't have a shambolic last stand like Lambert in the rain at Hull as Smith doesn't deserve that.

[Footy-Vill]

Bailey stayed on so he could get our team up the pitch with his pace.
An option as a out ball
An attacking threat
And as we discover he's one of the long throw specialists in loose terms
That made sense to me to keep him on

[ChicagoLion]

I'll lose hope in Smith if we end up shoving one of the centre halves up front.
There's a breaking pont for us all.
I one for football and skills and quite frankly the throws are not needed clearly its not Dean Smith idea and his liberal leading and allowing coaches to implement methods is causing Smith issues.
I doubt he wanted the 3 at the back and would fanthom Shakespeare is the catalyst for that one so really Deano not being helped by these coaches around him.

So who is making these decisions then, has Smith been body snatched by Dave Bassett?

[Footy-Vill]

Have to factor in for all Deans emotional control being a fan and supporters of the club he managers can also hinder as much as help

Thinking in as much as he wants to do well so much and is having impact  badly

[Mister E]

Bailey stayed on so he could get our team up the pitch with his pace.
An option as a out ball
An attacking threat
And as we discover he's one of the long throw specialists in loose terms
That made sense to me to keep him on

The way Bailey was seemingly advised to play yesterday meant that his influence was limited: stuck out on the left winger meant he was very easy to mark. He should have been given a roving role where his close control and pace might have had more impact.

[ChicagoLion]

Have to factor in for all Deans emotional control being a fan and supporters of the club he managers can also hinder as much as help

Thinking in as much as he wants to do well so much and is having impact  badly

On that basis we can allow Smith to carry on regardless.

[VinnieChase84]

Was having a very decent chat with some fans at HT yesterday in concourse. For me its pretty simple. Players have a ceiling to their ability. You have players to get you promoted, some to keep you in the league then you need better to elevate that further. This applies to managers as well. The bigger our squad gets, the more vast it gets with bigger players the more he looks lost. I love the bloke and for what hes done for us i will always have fond memories of him. I dont want that feeling to be tarnished further if he sticks in and it turns more sour. For me its time for a parting of ways and we both move on.

Question that also came up is this. Name one manager whose left us and gone onto a bigger job? Not happened since GT! Surely that says something

[Villan82]

I have said it a few times but for me it is the defeats that raise doubts about Smith. Many usually retort 'draws are no good'. But that is nonsense. Since coming up to the top flight we have lost a high percentage of games each year. I wish we could dig out a point more often. We are left empty handed too often with Smith. I still can't believe we lost the Wolves game from being 2-0 up with ten minutes left.

[john e]

Was having a very decent chat with some fans at HT yesterday in concourse. For me its pretty simple. Players have a ceiling to their ability. You have players to get you promoted, some to keep you in the league then you need better to elevate that further. This applies to managers as well. The bigger our squad gets, the more vast it gets with bigger players the more he looks lost. I love the bloke and for what hes done for us i will always have fond memories of him. I dont want that feeling to be tarnished further if he sticks in and it turns more sour. For me its time for a parting of ways and we both move on.

Question that also came up is this. Name one manager whose left us and gone onto a bigger job? Not happened since GT! Surely that says something

It says that we have appointed some right piss poor managers

[LeeB]

Was having a very decent chat with some fans at HT yesterday in concourse. For me its pretty simple. Players have a ceiling to their ability. You have players to get you promoted, some to keep you in the league then you need better to elevate that further. This applies to managers as well. The bigger our squad gets, the more vast it gets with bigger players the more he looks lost. I love the bloke and for what hes done for us i will always have fond memories of him. I dont want that feeling to be tarnished further if he sticks in and it turns more sour. For me its time for a parting of ways and we both move on.

Question that also came up is this. Name one manager whose left us and gone onto a bigger job? Not happened since GT! Surely that says something

It says that we have appointed some right piss poor managers

Yes, and it's why I'm reluctant to get shot now.

[VinnieChase84]

Smith WAS the right manager choice for NSWE/CP. So they have a 1/1 apt record so maybe we should have some faith they get 2/2 spot on

[Risso]

Was having a very decent chat with some fans at HT yesterday in concourse. For me its pretty simple. Players have a ceiling to their ability. You have players to get you promoted, some to keep you in the league then you need better to elevate that further. This applies to managers as well. The bigger our squad gets, the more vast it gets with bigger players the more he looks lost. I love the bloke and for what hes done for us i will always have fond memories of him. I dont want that feeling to be tarnished further if he sticks in and it turns more sour. For me its time for a parting of ways and we both move on.

Question that also came up is this. Name one manager whose left us and gone onto a bigger job? Not happened since GT! Surely that says something

It says that we have appointed some right piss poor managers

Yes, and it's why I'm reluctant to get shot now.

Completely different circumstances. We’ve got “money almost no object” owners for the first time. We had the last few years of Doug getting more and more left behind by much richer owners, then Lerner gave it a go at the start, but wasted it on O’Neill and soon ran out of free cash. Then obviously we had the disaster that was Xia. If we accept that Edens and Sawiris have hardly put a foot wrong since they arrived, then why do you think they wouldn’t be capable of replacing Smith?

[VinnieChase84]

I really don't understand why as a club, we persist in giving failing managers more time than they really ought to get. How often has it led to an upturn in form? And no, I don't count the covid gap, since that was an unprecedented situation.

But it’s 4 games. This isn’t Lambert.

39 points from 102 available

[chrisw1]

If he's going after Southamption anyway I'd get rid now to see if we can get a reaction from the players on Friday and then appoint someone over the break.

[brontebilly]

Was having a very decent chat with some fans at HT yesterday in concourse. For me its pretty simple. Players have a ceiling to their ability. You have players to get you promoted, some to keep you in the league then you need better to elevate that further. This applies to managers as well. The bigger our squad gets, the more vast it gets with bigger players the more he looks lost. I love the bloke and for what hes done for us i will always have fond memories of him. I dont want that feeling to be tarnished further if he sticks in and it turns more sour. For me its time for a parting of ways and we both move on.

Question that also came up is this. Name one manager whose left us and gone onto a bigger job? Not happened since GT! Surely that says something

We have been a career killer for most of our previous managers.