Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 07:59:31 PMQuote from: Allan C on July 15, 2020, 07:52:24 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??Because if we stay up he'll have done everything asked of him in both of his seasons, with a cup final appearance as a bonus. More importantly, we have to get out of the 'rip it up and start again' mentality of the past decade.If we stay up, we want to move onto the next stage, which is well beyond His capabilities. Stay up this season and we will be struggling again next season With DS in charge
Quote from: Allan C on July 15, 2020, 07:52:24 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??Because if we stay up he'll have done everything asked of him in both of his seasons, with a cup final appearance as a bonus. More importantly, we have to get out of the 'rip it up and start again' mentality of the past decade.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??
So that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 10:36:04 PMBecause it's that easy, which is why everyone does it. Except they don't.No idea what you meanUnder DS Brentford were a middling champs team who never looked like getting to the play offs or getting relegated. They just seemed to play well against us. DS Leaves and within 2 years they are certainly in the play offs and may go up automatically. Pray they do at the expense of the baggies
Because it's that easy, which is why everyone does it. Except they don't.
Thomas Frank was his assistant there with an eye on taking the job for continuity when he went though. And the recruitment at Brentford was never the job of the manager and still isn't, they have a system and metrics to choose their targets.
Quote from: Rudy65 on July 15, 2020, 10:23:20 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 07:59:31 PMQuote from: Allan C on July 15, 2020, 07:52:24 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??Because if we stay up he'll have done everything asked of him in both of his seasons, with a cup final appearance as a bonus. More importantly, we have to get out of the 'rip it up and start again' mentality of the past decade.If we stay up, we want to move onto the next stage, which is well beyond His capabilities. Stay up this season and we will be struggling again next season With DS in chargeI think we ought to get them whether Smith's here or not.
The Bruce revisionism is baffling. Newcastle are currently exactly where they finished under the last guy despite Mr. Potato Head spending 40million on a striker who makes Samatta look prolific.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 10:27:02 PMQuote from: Rudy65 on July 15, 2020, 10:23:20 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 07:59:31 PMQuote from: Allan C on July 15, 2020, 07:52:24 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??Because if we stay up he'll have done everything asked of him in both of his seasons, with a cup final appearance as a bonus. More importantly, we have to get out of the 'rip it up and start again' mentality of the past decade.If we stay up, we want to move onto the next stage, which is well beyond His capabilities. Stay up this season and we will be struggling again next season With DS in chargeYou have no way of knowing that.Of course I don’t know. However I’ve seen enough turgid and clueless displays this season to know DS isn’t the solution. It’s been an awful season Where has been the progress in any section of the team. Yes we got to a cup final beating Liverpool and Wolves reserves along the way and were outplayed at Wembley If we do stay up we need to aim higher Be ruthless and get a better manager from a position of relative strength. Don’t settle for second best
Quote from: Rudy65 on July 15, 2020, 10:23:20 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 07:59:31 PMQuote from: Allan C on July 15, 2020, 07:52:24 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PMSo that's once it's worked, but it's something we have to do.I so wanted this to work with Smith, not because he’s a Villa fan and a “nice bloke” but because his style of play was a vast improvement on what went before. That hasn’t continued in the Premier League sadly but if he showed any sign of an improvement I would love him to stay. I can’t see it though. Can you see where he’s improved?? What are your reasons for retaining him in the Premier League??Because if we stay up he'll have done everything asked of him in both of his seasons, with a cup final appearance as a bonus. More importantly, we have to get out of the 'rip it up and start again' mentality of the past decade.If we stay up, we want to move onto the next stage, which is well beyond His capabilities. Stay up this season and we will be struggling again next season With DS in chargeYou have no way of knowing that.
Quote from: ozzjim on July 15, 2020, 11:19:21 PMThomas Frank was his assistant there with an eye on taking the job for continuity when he went though. And the recruitment at Brentford was never the job of the manager and still isn't, they have a system and metrics to choose their targets. Moneyball has worked so much better for other clubs than it ever has for us
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on July 16, 2020, 08:33:17 AMQuote from: ozzjim on July 15, 2020, 11:19:21 PMThomas Frank was his assistant there with an eye on taking the job for continuity when he went though. And the recruitment at Brentford was never the job of the manager and still isn't, they have a system and metrics to choose their targets. Moneyball has worked so much better for other clubs than it ever has for usI would have thought one of the reasons is you need to do it from a position of stability - drip feed new players into an established squad and let them settle and develop at their own pace. It's just bloody madness to expect to be able to do it when you are replacing half the first team.