collapse collapse

Please donate to help keep this site going.

The Fanzine

Heroes & Villains Fanzine

Get your fix of all things Claret & Blue by subscribing to the online version!

* H&V Best Of

Recent Posts

Follow us on...

Author Topic: Dean Smith - Confirmed  (Read 464416 times)

Offline Drummond

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 17832
  • Age: 48
  • GM : 11.10.2020
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5190 on: December 11, 2019, 08:13:45 AM »
The other view of course is that we were made to look shit rather than being shit. That can happen to any team when they face a top side on form.

Keep the faith folks.

Offline Nelly

  • Member
  • Posts: 2967
  • Location: Birmingham
  • GM : 02.12.2016
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5191 on: December 11, 2019, 09:48:37 AM »
The other view of course is that we were made to look shit rather than being shit. That can happen to any team when they face a top side on form.

Keep the faith folks.

Amen to this. With Villa being as competitive as we have been, I wonder if the bar has been set too high, too quickly? When we came up the general feeling seemed to be that Smith should have this season and some even suggested should we go down, he should remain manager. Now, after playing the best teams in the league. he may have taken us as far as he can?

We've got a long way to go and are still a work in progress. Lets get behind the club and manager.

Offline Risso

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 56170
  • Location: Northants
  • GM : 28.02.2021
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5192 on: December 11, 2019, 09:49:35 AM »
I've never thought that he should be kept on if he takes us down.  That would be unacceptable.

Offline ChicagoLion

  • Member
  • Posts: 9780
  • Location: Chicago
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5193 on: December 11, 2019, 09:57:03 AM »
I've never thought that he should be kept on if he takes us down.  That would be unacceptable.
It has worked for some teams particularly when they have not spent after promotion and half expecting to yo yo.
You could easily see Norwich for example sticking.
Not sure it would be the right thing for us though, I do not think relegation is in the plan.

Offline Hookeysmith

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9178
  • Location: One hand on the handle of the mad / sane door
  • GM : 26.01.2021
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5194 on: December 11, 2019, 01:36:43 PM »
I know we only have (like everyone else) a squad of players that cannot change until Jan but I would like to see some variation to the set up - either before or during the games depending on how it is going.
There are slight changes at present but nothing dynamic or innovative.

I genuinely think we have the right personnel to play an exciting 352 and especially as Dean is more of an attack minded coach I really think it could work

                               Heaton

            Konza         Engels          Mings

Guilbert                                                   Targett

          Nakamba     McGinn       Hourihane

                             Jack

                   Wes / Kodj / Davis / Another


If we need to close a game out then a simple change back to 442 or 433 (as we have like for like players) can be made quite easily

Offline Vill I An

  • Member
  • Posts: 1042
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5195 on: December 11, 2019, 03:02:24 PM »

I know we only have (like everyone else) a squad of players that cannot change until Jan but I would like to see some variation to the set up - either before or during the games depending on how it is going.
There are slight changes at present but nothing dynamic or innovative.

I genuinely think we have the right personnel to play an exciting 352 and especially as Dean is more of an attack minded coach I really think it could work

                               Heaton

            Konza         Engels          Mings

Guilbert                                                   Targett

          Nakamba     McGinn       Hourihane

                             Jack

                   Wes / Kodj / Davis / Another


If we need to close a game out then a simple change back to 442 or 433 (as we have like for like players) can be made quite easily



Dean's 3 at back would have to be some type of 3-4-3.
I just don't see him adhering to any policy where 3-5-2 could essentially bring in to play 5 at the back scenarios. Its not how he operates.

I had and take consideration with you on 3-5-2 now with Mings out .
However the set up of squad despite having 2 capable wing backs would mean little use for some wide forwards.

I think really Deanos attacking 4-3-3 which does allow for risks both forward and back is where he's at.

What has been concerning of late is the goal opportunities open play for midfielders . The controlling of the ball and passing by them and getting beyond and into the penalty area by the 2 advanced midfielders . The goal threat and support isn't evident enough to both Wesley and as midfielders taking risks and seeking out opportunities

Some of that has come with the caution but it's far more progressive than the pragmatic approach under Bruce.
Maybe their is a need for a midfielder or 2 in the window who is able to drive it as well as get box to box.

3-5-2 though I like to see that however it would be som admission by Smith and a big change at big stage is season.

Offline brontebilly

  • Member
  • Posts: 4808
  • GM : 28.06.2019
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5196 on: December 12, 2019, 11:32:08 AM »
I know we only have (like everyone else) a squad of players that cannot change until Jan but I would like to see some variation to the set up - either before or during the games depending on how it is going.
There are slight changes at present but nothing dynamic or innovative.

I genuinely think we have the right personnel to play an exciting 352 and especially as Dean is more of an attack minded coach I really think it could work

                               Heaton

            Konza         Engels          Mings

Guilbert                                                   Targett

          Nakamba     McGinn       Hourihane

                             Jack

                   Wes / Kodj / Davis / Another


If we need to close a game out then a simple change back to 442 or 433 (as we have like for like players) can be made quite easily

Sheff Utd might be the game to try this with Mings out, plus it's how they set up. Midfield is still a real problem area for us though no matter what combination we try. You really need mobile midfield players in that formation to cover the wing backs. We don't have that. Not sure which of Luiz or Hourihane put in a better shift without the ball...

In terms of our own goal threat, we could also try McGinn and Grealish as part of a narrow three to keep their wing backs honest. Their centre backs certainly won't want those two running at them. McGinn did some great work last season on the inside right channel so might be worth trying again. If Chester is any way fit, Id give him the nod over Konsa to be honest, familiar with the formation and Konsa has been hopeless last three games.

---------------Heaton
Konsa/Chester, Engels, Hause
Guilbert, Luiz/Houri, Nakamba, Targett
-----McGinn, AEG, Grealish

Offline in exile

  • Member
  • Posts: 2417
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Tamworth
  • GM : 25.06.2019
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5197 on: December 12, 2019, 11:57:57 AM »

---------------Heaton
Konsa/Chester, Engels, Hause
Guilbert, Luiz/Houri, Nakamba, Targett
-----McGinn, AEG, Grealish
Wouldn't be too far off for me.
Struggling a bit with the back three, would probably keep Konsa over Chester and I would pick Connor over Douglas

Offline manic-road

  • Member
  • Posts: 4378
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5198 on: December 12, 2019, 12:15:02 PM »
I've never thought that he should be kept on if he takes us down.  That would be unacceptable.

Worked well at Burnley, going onto gain European footy.

Offline Three Spires Villa

  • Member
  • Posts: 1256
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5199 on: December 12, 2019, 02:49:31 PM »
Going down should be seen as a failure. If we keep Dean or not, in that circumstance is up to the owners. If it was me, I think I would keep him. However I am a little worried if Dean can cut it as a manager at this level.

Offline Newby

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7092
  • Location: Down south now. Born in Aston.
  • GM : 01.12.2020
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5200 on: December 12, 2019, 06:55:50 PM »
I think the owners will review the situation if we are in the bottom three on January 1st, given we'll have played all the bottom teams by that point.

Offline Ian J

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7428
  • Location: Back home in the Shire
  • GM : 10.09.2020
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5201 on: December 12, 2019, 08:31:43 PM »
SGT nearly took us down after he got us back up, that first season was a right struggle but we persevered and the on nearly went and won the league.

Offline garyshawsknee

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5851
  • Location: Hove via Brighton, via Luton
  • GM : 03.06.2020
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5202 on: December 12, 2019, 08:44:23 PM »
SGT nearly took us down after he got us back up, that first season was a right struggle but we persevered and the on nearly went and won the league.

After Sunday's game I thought thank God there was no internet in 1989, SGT would have been slaughtered.

Online Louzie0

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11178
  • Location: wrangling jellied eels in the Albert Dock
  • UTV
  • GM : 15.02.2021
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5203 on: December 12, 2019, 09:02:13 PM »
The fitness thing allways gets raised after a run of poor results.
Check out the 2 boat race crews after the race.
The victors look like they could row it again, the losers have hands down breathing heavily looking totally shagged out.

Thatís a really good point!
They do.
I agree, you canít underestimate the power of positive thinking, adrenaline and serotonin (if thatís the natural high I mean) when a final assault on the oppoís defence has paid off.
If it hasnít, youíre right, everything negative kicks in.


Offline Three Spires Villa

  • Member
  • Posts: 1256
Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #5204 on: December 13, 2019, 10:16:58 AM »
SGT nearly took us down after he got us back up, that first season was a right struggle but we persevered and the on nearly went and won the league.

After Sunday's game I thought thank God there was no internet in 1989, SGT would have been slaughtered.

Could that argument / point of view, have been used to keep Bruce or Lambert?