Dean Smith - Confirmed

[footyskillz]

It's really a need for a push to go up this season or we get a basically development team something like a Southampton of premier league who will sell on players .

Or worse (with respect) a Brentford style status of being a well run club that develop players to be sold and being stable in championship.

Interesting points footy. I'd say this though.

Most teams in the premier league to one degree or another have become teams who will sell on players. Mahrez - too big for Leicester, moves onto City, they buy in Maddison who is being linked with Spurs. Everton - bought in Lukaku, too big for them, moves onto United. And so on. Even in their own way Spurs - sold Bale and Modric which financed a number of new young signings.

As to the second, we've just spent £7m on a goalkeeper and £4.5m on a right back, as well as offering £12m for Mepham. I don't think you need worry about us aiming for a Brentford style policy of having to make do with frees and £500k signings to sell on.

The thing is a potential  concern though as yes quite right signings like the 7m Croatian no 1 and 5m french back along with reported bids of 12m were made but failure for promotion would that not see a dumbing down and selling of our assets ??

In respects there can be value to be had with astute smaller price signings .

Smaller wages for players too.

I can genuinely see more of those signings (ironically moving forward) because of failure to go up , the pattern that Dean Smith has in working with less established players

I admire what Norwich have been achieving, the way Sheffield utd play football . And how Frank lampard derby county (as they are now known) have developed .

A fushion of this over time I guess is what can hope for.

The bigger clubs like Leeds and Forest despite being in mix have had to seriously adapt and look to get ready get formula on and off pitch over several years.

Yes I have my cynicizm on the owners intention Its a very good thing they pumped money in to wipe the slate clean and grateful for that and I feel they may not lose interest if they are going down a sustainable route.
My thinking there is they would be fewer millions invested than operating a competitive premier league club.

I suppose there is nt the exact need to generate funds like before if all is correct with owners and ffp ?!

But we could certainly see a big overhaul in summer .
Jedinak, Richards, whelan maybe Hutton off the wage bill too.

Then likes of Kodjia , Chester Grealish(sad face) be sold on. As sellable assets
Adomah and Mcginn too?
Hourihane may be told to go to?

Maybe Hogan too ? Though I think some loan players Bree and Hogan could get reprieve if they 'success' on loan. A hunch more than anything . It may more be oft general case that they are being shifted out

Anyway a lot remains to be seen though the point about non promotion sees less money coming into villa

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

I think there are two problems at Villa.

1. Its a big club is in the sense that there are a lot of people working there. In my own professional career I've seen superstars from small companies come into a big organisation and fail mainly because they just aren't used to having to continually talk to so many people, explain what they're doing and have their ideas discussed by people.

The same is true in reverse. I've seen superstars from big companies come into small companies and strugggle for the opposite reason. Management is not always that straight forward. Of course many people can turn it on wherever they are but thats not everybody - our problem is we're not identifying the right managers and that's problem number 2

2. In the wider sense Villa is dysfunctional and we've forgotten how to do football. Overseas management always causes issues no matter what structure is left in place. Every successful business I've worked in over the last 30 years whether FTSE 100 or one man band would have the owner/CEO or whatever walking around identifying problems. Just because Villa employ lots of people it doens't mean they're the right people. Often people are more concerned with keeping their job rather than doing well at it. The vacuum caused by an overseas owner lets people off the hook.

This isn't me saying that Smith won't do well (although the players are starting to look like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing) but I think we should stop thinking about fu** another season in the Championship but more what's going to change to get us out of the Championship? So far we've lurched from one thing to another and in all that time we haven't brought many of our youngsters through as a regular have we? I just don't think we have a plan.

I get the impression the management at Villa think like a lot of people -  look how big the ground is, we won the European Cup once, why would a team like Brentford/Hudderfield/Norwich etc even be able to compete with us?

[footyskillz]

It's really a need for a push to go up this season or we get a basically development team something like a Southampton of premier league who will sell on players .

Or worse (with respect) a Brentford style status of being a well run club that develop players to be sold and being stable in championship.

Interesting points footy. I'd say this though.

Most teams in the premier league to one degree or another have become teams who will sell on players. Mahrez - too big for Leicester, moves onto City, they buy in Maddison who is being linked with Spurs. Everton - bought in Lukaku, too big for them, moves onto United. And so on. Even in their own way Spurs - sold Bale and Modric which financed a number of new young signings.

As to the second, we've just spent £7m on a goalkeeper and £4.5m on a right back, as well as offering £12m for Mepham. I don't think you need worry about us aiming for a Brentford style policy of having to make do with frees and £500k signings to sell on.

The only non selling clubs are Real Madrid and Barcelona

Sorry when did you write this ??!
Modern football alert and update to an outdated view !!

PSG and Man City I think is what you meant to say.

Only one of the biggest super stars of the game was sold by Barca to PSG .

Neymar moved for a ridiculous sum actually.

Real Madrid sold Ronaldo to Juventus in summer.

How could you even forget the biggest ever world transfer by PSG to Barca near 200 mill for the football and world superstar Neymar?? in
That clearly indicates they are a selling club.


It's relative.

But to make such a cliche statement ,all be it this is a football chat where cliches are oft made, is showing not a great footballing insight to the modern game.

Historically yes but PSG and Man city are the teams which aren't selling clubs.

[footyskillz]

I thought Skillz had  declared he was going into hiding for a while?

Ha yes!
I'm going now and be back after the ' tough ' run in march !
Not a peep from me in meantime

[jwarry]

Interesting comments from Dean yesterday
“We (asked them to do something different) a few games ago, when we played against Ipswich and Reading, we changed the midfield to tighten up defensively.

“I felt we were too open on transitions and that helped.

“What has also helped is having a balance in defence now.”

Think I’d prefer to go back to us being cut open in transition as it was more entertaining!

[mr underhill]

worryingly Dean is sounding more and more incoherent in interviews - a hybrid of TSM2 and Bruce. A win is really needed today.

[XXVilla]

It's really a need for a push to go up this season or we get a basically development team something like a Southampton of premier league who will sell on players .

Or worse (with respect) a Brentford style status of being a well run club that develop players to be sold and being stable in championship.

Interesting points footy. I'd say this though.

Most teams in the premier league to one degree or another have become teams who will sell on players. Mahrez - too big for Leicester, moves onto City, they buy in Maddison who is being linked with Spurs. Everton - bought in Lukaku, too big for them, moves onto United. And so on. Even in their own way Spurs - sold Bale and Modric which financed a number of new young signings.

As to the second, we've just spent £7m on a goalkeeper and £4.5m on a right back, as well as offering £12m for Mepham. I don't think you need worry about us aiming for a Brentford style policy of having to make do with frees and £500k signings to sell on.

The only non selling clubs are Real Madrid and Barcelona

Sorry when did you write this ??!
Modern football alert and update to an outdated view !!

PSG and Man City I think is what you meant to say.

Only one of the biggest super stars of the game was sold by Barca to PSG .

Neymar moved for a ridiculous sum actually.

Real Madrid sold Ronaldo to Juventus in summer.

How could you even forget the biggest ever world transfer by PSG to Barca near 200 mill for the football and world superstar Neymar?? in
That clearly indicates they are a selling club.


It's relative.

But to make such a cliche statement ,all be it this is a football chat where cliches are oft made, is showing not a great footballing insight to the modern game.

Historically yes but PSG and Man city are the teams which aren't selling clubs.

Ronaldo was only sold because they wanted to sell him at the best time for them. I take your point about Neymar. Man City are still a bit of a revolving door. Messi is still with Barca by the way and not with PSG in case you hadn’t noticed.

[curiousorange]

I said this afternoon that I don't want Smith to go, but I don't think I'd notice if he did.

[mr underhill]

I just can't see Smith being given time and money i honestly can't.

[GarTomas]

Most of this squad won't be here next year I hope.

I back Dean to rebuild.

[PeterWithesShin]

He's got the rest of the season to prove he should be given the summer and another transfer window because this is not good enough.

[curiousorange]

The amount of pressure Smith will be under to get it right after giving up half of this season is immense. Gut feeling, but we'll be welcoming yet another neck for the block by October.

[VillaAlways]

I just can't see Smith being given time and money i honestly can't.

He won’t get to the end of the season.

[ChicagoLion]

What are the options.?
This season is now over, so we either start building towards next season with Smith or without him.
Someone has got to clear this squad out and I would hope that a Smith and a Terry know what needs to happen.

[PaulWinch again]

Embarrassing again Dean.