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Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2460 on: January 15, 2019, 03:54:44 PM »
Smith will know more about the players he has now.
Many are contracted until the summer and when you can expect the first big clear out.
There have been some worrying decisions over the last few weeks and he should and has been rightly criticized.
Until he is able to start to build his team then we are just going to have to be patient.

But will the new owners be that patient?!?  Edens is especially known not hanging about

Christian Purslow when asked is promotion this season critical:

“It’s not critical at all. The club was at its lowest ebb the day after the play-off final. A winding up order was served - the club was unable to meet a payment of under £5m to the tax authorities.

“Nassef and Wes sent in tens of millions of pounds directly into the club, clearing the liabilities and effectively creating a clean slate on which to build a recovery for the club.

“We’re not expecting or requiring to get promoted quickly. We’re trying to do things the right way in terms of the people we bring in to run the club and the way we play

As I say I think part of reason Smith was brought in as he's one who would get a longer time to build than a regular .

He's also cheap and works with building and developing players.

I also think having ploughed millions to clean the slate the owners aren't all out on being extra competitive for promotion straight away and want to play the long game .

Signings of intent would have been made otherwise.
And one could argue a major head coach would have been appointed.

It's marketed as "wanting to do things the right way" .

People aren't going to be too upset when it's put in such a way. 
It's a long term development procedure.
But also it's a dumbing down of villa status (realistic or otherwise)

So, there perhaps will be a period of being less competitive at the top level , moves for big signings.

Villa now are really looking to trade off the name in this , what I call,  'development ' era .
As an established and historic club and in the second tier villa will remain an attractive proposition.

There are already people who follow villa who would be ' happier ' and content with championship life .

The longer out of the premier league the more determent it is to the clubs prestige , brand and income .
It's harmful to the worldwide support and size and status of the club.

I see it as there isn't an imminent ambition and drive for success right now , just about "getting things right".

That's ok as previous regime showed relative ambition both in action and words ultimately failing .

It's make sense to communicate a different message whatever the real intentions are.

The way I see , another reason to why the owners and CEO , in part, picked Smith depsite  his lack  of top level experience is because hes essentially resourceful .

Smith will be using his experience of building up a team (but also squad) on a bigger level than previously.

But also the move was to somewhat appease fans in saying indirectly , we may not be promoted but your'll get a head coach who will focus on a clear football identity, a developed team and one of your own.

Whenever promotion occurs my forecast would be  CEO Purslow will move on like he has previous.
Say promotion is his remit he already dampen expectations by saying what hes said by promotion not needed .

I'm sorry that comment for a club the size of Aston Villa was ridiculous and lacks ambition.

Previously owners and people involved spoke business speak like Keith Wyness which supporters and fans were impressed with .

I wasn't impressed just interested similarly I'm less impressed with Purslow .

I'll be impressed when actions start to show the development and success I crave for Aston Villa.

At this moment the squad is really in transition and that should be said.

Like people have said there will be players out of contract and loans ending in season.

Then the rebuild begins.
And will be looking and expected to be competitive to the promotion challenge just because we are Aston Villa first and foremost.


For now I think it's a case of just playing football the Dean Smith way til end of season.

Be wins , be losses.


















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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2461 on: January 15, 2019, 04:03:04 PM »
Give Smith a couple of transfer windows before judging him.

He has a preferred style of play which involves playing it out from the back and retaining possession, but the only defender capable of playing a pass is injured and it's made a big difference.

Once he's had a decent chance to put together a squad of his own choosing, we can start to decide whether he's the right man. Not before.
Re: the point about Deano  wanting us to play out from the back is we don't have the players. On Saturday Whelan received the ball about 25 yards out. Under no pressure he trod on it then stumbled and their player nicked it. Whelan gave chase and gave away a pen. I don't blame Deano I blame the guy who filled our squad with journey men like Whelan and players who he picked up from Barnsley and Brentford. Deano has little choice but to try and impose his brand of football onto players who are just not capable. He will get it right when he can recruit the right players. His time will come. Our time will come. The setbacks and the utter rubbish we've been subjected to for a number of years will make it all the more enjoyable when it does. Keep he faith.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2019, 04:07:59 PM by The Edge »

Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2462 on: January 15, 2019, 04:10:11 PM »
I think that the vast majority of people recognise that he's a good manager, and needs time to bring his own players in and right the wrongs of the Bruce years. That doesn't make him exempt from criticism when he makes stupid mistakes though.
About right that is.

I argue he was partly brought in as he's less likely to have criticism (as being proved) as the rebuild and development takes place .

It's a rational move as all his pros and cons will be met with differing opinion but he'll be give a super amount of time to get things right


Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2463 on: January 15, 2019, 04:22:26 PM »
Give Smith a couple of transfer windows before judging him.

He has a preferred style of play which involves playing it out from the back and retaining possession, but the only defender capable of playing a pass is injured and it's made a big difference.

Once he's had a decent chance to put together a squad of his own choosing, we can start to decide whether he's the right man. Not before.

But I don't need to judge him on performance when he has his own team and squad as I already like the way smith wants his team to play football.


To me he's  the right man for the development side of things and building .
And the long game.

Have to say he has already been judged continuously in the job.

You and I, like many, have judged him too on his so called preferred playing style .

Also comments have helped reason to why the playing style isnt always being implemented in the team and squad he has picked.


If youre asking is he the right man in getting villa promotion?
Yes we will see about that over time
And that can only be judged on results and as you state a decent chance to put the squad together.

I can see that being 2 years from now which is ok and not ok.

Basically I'm wishing  in January 2020 competitive to the top 2 places in championship.
Though it could take longer

Offline Allan C

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2464 on: January 15, 2019, 04:59:52 PM »
Give Smith a couple of transfer windows before judging him.

He has a preferred style of play which involves playing it out from the back and retaining possession, but the only defender capable of playing a pass is injured and it's made a big difference.

Once he's had a decent chance to put together a squad of his own choosing, we can start to decide whether he's the right man. Not before.
Re: the point about Deano  wanting us to play out from the back is we don't have the players. On Saturday Whelan received the ball about 25 yards out. Under no pressure he trod on it then stumbled and their player nicked it. Whelan gave chase and gave away a pen. I don't blame Deano I blame the guy who filled our squad with journey men like Whelan and players who he picked up from Barnsley and Brentford. Deano has little choice but to try and impose his brand of football onto players who are just not capable. He will get it right when he can recruit the right players. His time will come. Our time will come. The setbacks and the utter rubbish we've been subjected to for a number of years will make it all the more enjoyable when it does. Keep he faith.
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Offline Allan C

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2465 on: January 15, 2019, 05:02:08 PM »
Give Smith a couple of transfer windows before judging him.

He has a preferred style of play which involves playing it out from the back and retaining possession, but the only defender capable of playing a pass is injured and it's made a big difference.

Once he's had a decent chance to put together a squad of his own choosing, we can start to decide whether he's the right man. Not before.

But I don't need to judge him on performance when he has his own team and squad as I already like the way smith wants his team to play football.


To me he's  the right man for the development side of things and building .
And the long game.

Have to say he has already been judged continuously in the job.

You and I, like many, have judged him too on his so called preferred playing style .

Also comments have helped reason to why the playing style isnt always being implemented in the team and squad he has picked.


If youre asking is he the right man in getting villa promotion?
Yes we will see about that over time
And that can only be judged on results and as you state a decent chance to put the squad together.

I can see that being 2 years from now which is ok and not ok.

Basically I'm wishing  in January 2020 competitive to the top 2 places in championship.
Though it could take longer
Another great post

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2466 on: January 15, 2019, 06:55:17 PM »
Give Smith a couple of transfer windows before judging him.

He has a preferred style of play which involves playing it out from the back and retaining possession, but the only defender capable of playing a pass is injured and it's made a big difference.

Once he's had a decent chance to put together a squad of his own choosing, we can start to decide whether he's the right man. Not before.
Re: the point about Deano  wanting us to play out from the back is we don't have the players. On Saturday Whelan received the ball about 25 yards out. Under no pressure he trod on it then stumbled and their player nicked it. Whelan gave chase and gave away a pen. I don't blame Deano I blame the guy who filled our squad with journey men like Whelan and players who he picked up from Barnsley and Brentford. Deano has little choice but to try and impose his brand of football onto players who are just not capable. He will get it right when he can recruit the right players. His time will come. Our time will come. The setbacks and the utter rubbish we've been subjected to for a number of years will make it all the more enjoyable when it does. Keep he faith.
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Indeed, and if anybody watched the recent stiffs game vs Man U you could see the kids are embracing it better than the so called first teamers!

Offline Villa75

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2467 on: January 15, 2019, 09:42:02 PM »
So, the manager has one defined style of play, and imposes this on players he knows are not capable of playing it? How's that likely to turn out?

Not only that. When we're losing, against a shit Wigan side, he decides to bring on the very player least likely to ever be able to play 'his way'?

And that's good management?

I call it not having a plan B.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2468 on: January 15, 2019, 10:10:30 PM »
I've plenty of faith in the guy. I want him to have time to try and turn around years of dreadful appointments and decision making.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2469 on: January 15, 2019, 10:45:43 PM »
So, the manager has one defined style of play, and imposes this on players he knows are not capable of playing it? How's that likely to turn out?

Not only that. When we're losing, against a shit Wigan side, he decides to bring on the very player least likely to ever be able to play 'his way'?

And that's good management?

I call it not having a plan B.

I call it not having a plan B because there is no plan B available as he has inherited a load of shite and we can't afford to buy our way out of it.  Yes, it was a shit decision, but Whelan is all he has at the moment.  Other than Grealish and McGinn, we have no other capable midfielder, not one.

Offline Villa75

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2470 on: January 16, 2019, 06:53:33 AM »
You're calling Whelan "capable"? Capable of what, when we're 1-0 down!?

I'm still hopeful that Smith will turn out to be a half decent manager at this level but, come on, some of his early decision making, and some of our performances have been worrying, to say the least.

Offline sid1964

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2471 on: January 16, 2019, 06:57:11 AM »
Arnie Scharwzenegger was saying the below at a trade conference - so maybe Dean Smith has taken this on board!

If you have a "Plan B", it means you're willing to accept failure in "Plan A". -  you should never have a plan B

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2472 on: January 16, 2019, 07:37:36 AM »
Did anyone catch the Man City Amazon documentary where Pep was talking about ‘plan B’?

It made a lot of sense, at least to me.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2473 on: January 16, 2019, 08:06:38 AM »
That refusal by Arnold Schwartzenegger to accept the concept of alternative attitudes betrays a big clue to his teutonic ancestry.

Offline Pvb1968

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #2474 on: January 16, 2019, 08:22:05 AM »
That refusal by Arnold Schwartzenegger to accept the concept of alternative attitudes betrays a big clue to his teutonic ancestry.
One of the best replies I have ever read. 👏👏

 


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