Dean Smith - Confirmed

[stuart445]

Stuart, you don't run a chip shop by any chance do you?

Applause.

Say what you like but I know I'll give Smith the same treatment as I did with Bruce. Can you say the same??? Or are you a member of you can't be critical of Smith regardless of what he does?

And may I add I have not been critical of Smith I'm actually pleased with what he's done so far and the fact we quickly signed a keeper says to me that he'll get the correct players in January.

What people need to remember is Bruce wasn't sacked because of the style of play he was quite rightly sacked because he stopped getting results.

[john e]

Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Bruce got stick from some right from the get go, if we don't get to the playoffs under Smith do you think Smith will get the same treatment as Bruce.... I think we both know the answer to that is No he won't.

your correct he got stick from me before he walked through the door

I don't like the the football he plays and never have, I knew exactly what he would turn us into and he did,
I would also give stick straight away if we ever appointed Pulis or Allardyce or anyone like them,

if we see Smith building something sustainable for the long term that is the exact opposite to what Bruce did in his two years
if you can't see that and just think it's about results only I can't help you but believe me there is a big massive difference

if Smith doesn't start building something based on good style of attacking football, he will be out of a job like Bruce

How the likes of Bruce and Lambert continue to find work defies believe for me
But I suppose threes plenty out there like you who will go along with the results by stealth record, which I admit is not to be sniffed at but that's the difference between you and I

Something we will never agree on I suspect

[ChicagoLion]

Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Bruce got stick from some right from the get go, if we don't get to the playoffs under Smith do you think Smith will get the same treatment as Bruce.... I think we both know the answer to that is No he won't.

I hope this is not, some never accepted him because he managed that lot.
Very few gave him stick on his appointment and those that did,was because they did not believe that Bruce was the right choice, because of his style and impact on previous clubs and they were right.
I think most will give Smith the time he deserves considering the shit show he inherited.

[LukeJames]

Why give a free pass when the whole intention of shifting Bruce out at that time of season was to still have a chance of being promoted. I can't agree but see your point. This season is not 100% his squad or full season.

However Smith himself would love promotion this season and also he not at a stage of experiments too much maybe that comes late season if villa arent there or thereabouts . However with that squad and the  competition teams I also
feel going to be top end

The big chances' conceded are of concern and I would like if he was at least competitive at top end till season end.

Exactly why give Smith a free pass when no one allowed Bruce a free pass when he was appointed at pretty much the same stage in the season. I'm more than happy Smith is here but let's not have 1 rule for 1 and another rule for someone else let's stay consistent.

Bruce got a free pass for his first18 months from a big majority of our support.

[ChicagoLion]

Stuart, you don't run a chip shop by any chance do you?

Guffaws

[stuart445]

Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Bruce got stick from some right from the get go, if we don't get to the playoffs under Smith do you think Smith will get the same treatment as Bruce.... I think we both know the answer to that is No he won't.

your correct he got stick from me before he walked through the door

I don't like the the football he plays and never have, I knew exactly what he would turn us into and he did,
I would also give stick straight away if we ever appointed Pulis or Allardyce or anyone like them,

if we see Smith building something sustainable for the long term that is the exact opposite to what Bruce did in his two years
if you can't see that and just think it's about results only I can't help you but believe me there is a big massive difference

if Smith doesn't start building something based on good style of attacking football, he will be out of a job like Bruce

How the likes of Bruce and Lambert continue to find work defies believe for me
But I suppose threes plenty out there like you who will go along with the results by stealth record, which I admit is not to be sniffed at but that's the difference between you and I

Something we will never agree on I suspect

Again Bruce wasn't sacked because of the style of football, he was rightly sacked because he stopped getting results. The board and owners may say they want good attacking style but you can guarantee if the results go the same way as Bruce's did this season Smith will go the same way as Bruce.

[Ads]

All managers get my support.

I happen to believe in this one more than any I've seen recently though.

[stuart445]

All managers get my support.

I happen to believe in this one more than any I've seen recently though.

I agree the early signs are positive I hope beyond hope that it stays this way.

[Clampy]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

[john e]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

he's gone

but his unbalanced disjointed squad remains as a constant reminder

[adrenachrome]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

he's gone

but his unbalanced disjointed squad remains as a constant reminder

As the late, lamented Leonard Cohen once said/sung

His body is gone but back here on lawn
His spirit continues to drool

And that was after he had drowned himself in the pool, whereas Brucey shot off to play golf at his palatial mansion in the Algarve.

[Toronto Villa]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

Unfortunately his stench remains Clampy. He's gone but impossible to forget the damage he has done to our club. MON set us back years and we discuss him. Lambert essentially relegated us and ok, he can't stop talking about us. And now Bruce. As a club we have done it to ourselves but these clowns have really screwed us over. It will take a few years yet to repair the Bruce fuckwittery.

[paul_e]

Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Bruce got stick from some right from the get go, if we don't get to the playoffs under Smith do you think Smith will get the same treatment as Bruce.... I think we both know the answer to that is No he won't.

I'm one of the people who criticised him from early on (I criticised the performance against Leeds at the start of December and I genuinely don't think we played well again after that until the end of February), my worry was that he'd fill the squad with players unsuited to the premier league or modern management, he'd put us in constant transition y fucking around every transfer window and we'd ultimately not get where we wanted to be because he was out of date.

Did I get it wrong?

With Smith there's a lot of things I like about him but I worry about how he'll handle things later this season as I don't think he's ever experienced anything like the pressure he'll be under towards the end of the season.

However, if Smith is with us for 2 years and then leaves having ultimately failed I don't think he'll leave us with half a defence and a bunch of 30+ players seeing out their massive contracts and contributing very little, that's why he won't get the same level of criticism.

[Clampy]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

he's gone

but his unbalanced disjointed squad remains as a constant reminder

The defence is a bit of a mess but I wouldn't call the squad disjointed overall. There are still some very good players in it.

[Clampy]

He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Yes, he has but playing devils advocate, people who still bring him up should maybe remember that as well.

Unfortunately his stench remains Clampy. He's gone but impossible to forget the damage he has done to our club. MON set us back years and we discuss him. Lambert essentially relegated us and ok, he can't stop talking about us. And now Bruce. As a club we have done it to ourselves but these clowns have really screwed us over. It will take a few years yet to repair the Bruce fuckwittery.

I think it's also fair to mention the shit load of money Di Matteo and Sherwood spent.