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Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1695 on: December 31, 2018, 01:01:46 PM »
You're blaming Smith for an awful defence made weaker? After a run whereby we've only lost 1?

He not beyond constructive criticism for me.
Credit where due but also all for critical analysis of how losing position are occuring.

What I say is bizarre how it's not seemed appropriate to just state facts which occurred and no critical comment is allowed.
That not really fair.
Major pluses have occurred but without some causes for concern

Seeing out game and being the team that drops most points is one of them .

Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1696 on: December 31, 2018, 01:04:22 PM »
Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Pretty much with that !
New year wishes to you

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1697 on: December 31, 2018, 01:16:30 PM »
People critical of the manager because we haven't won every game. If the players were good enough to win every game, Bruce would probably still be in the job and we would be mid-table.

The good thing is that we have never looked out of a game. I think there is a harsh view by some on disappointment of not winning games we could have.

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1698 on: December 31, 2018, 01:36:20 PM »
You're blaming Smith for an awful defence made weaker? After a run whereby we've only lost 1?

He not beyond constructive criticism for me.
Credit where due but also all for critical analysis of how losing position are occuring.

What I say is bizarre how it's not seemed appropriate to just state facts which occurred and no critical comment is allowed.
That not really fair.
Major pluses have occurred but without some causes for concern

Seeing out game and being the team that drops most points is one of them .

Stop talking out your hat. Plenty on here criticise him, myself included. I just cannot see why you're falling out of your tree because in his 13 or 14 games he hasn't taken the armband off Chester. Or that you cannot see that having 3 right backs, an unfit right footed centre half, with his injury, in poor form and on the wrong side, in front of a suspect keeper, isn't the easiest situation to manage.

Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1699 on: December 31, 2018, 01:50:33 PM »
He's a head coach and it's constructive criticism.

It's not about haven't won every match.

It's about seeing how can improve and not drop as many points from winning position.

It's about obsevering and debating the pattern of Smith coaching that saw Brentford and villa lose winning position and or draw matches.

It's fair enough to mention this and actually healthy too.

I not that naive to think football teams won't win every game but that isn't my debate or point.

It's also noted that Smith was a vocal advocate of collective responsibility and having leaders not followers.

I like to see him do this at Villa and am fair enough in proving evidence to suggest he's someone who has said that's how he sees football captaincy yet he has given no explanation to why he hasn't implemented this idea .

Anyway it's good that their is such positivity but having frustratingly seen wolves beat spurs 3-1 at Wembley and also beat Chelsea and see that development occur in a short period I can't help being aggrieved Villa be in such a position.

I see Smith like Wilder at sheff united but at a club with a major reputation , expectation and budget.

The great thing is we can build and he will have his way of playing and hopefully developing both squad and his own coaching .

The concern is we are now settling and being content and the long game is being played .
It's not just me but speaking for me I only known premier league and villa being a top club.

I'm of a generation ,and I believe this is a general society, as much as it's the current and now comon football desire that near instant success and gratification is wanted , expected and demanded.

If success isn't now being pertained then entertainment is expected which equals goals and attacking foot ball.

I think we ll see a continuous move towards attacking and goals in football. The idea of the old dinsouar manager mainly being shifted out. Mourinho looks way past what man united and football consumers want these days

The supreme beauty of Smith appointment is he ticks every nox going in current climate of what's wanted
Being a villa man makes it sweeter and he will get all the time in the world.

I guess I just want villa to be the best in England , Europe and the world and want to be up there and not in championship game

I may now have to settle for attacking football with lots of goals in every match .

I see football being like this anyway so I rather sets sights higher. As expecting entertaining matches with goals


Football has changed and it's an entertainment  as that's what most fans want and new consumers and generations !

In 2019  VAR will bring more penalties to the football party and clear up incident like those hand balls and the incompetent refs.

 But that's premier league that's where we all want to be

Happy new year and up the villa.


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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1700 on: December 31, 2018, 01:52:36 PM »
Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Pretty much with that !
New year wishes to you
And to you Mr Skills.

Offline footyskillz

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1701 on: December 31, 2018, 02:04:30 PM »
You're blaming Smith for an awful defence made weaker? After a run whereby we've only lost 1?

He not beyond constructive criticism for me.
Credit where due but also all for critical analysis of how losing position are occuring.

What I say is bizarre how it's not seemed appropriate to just state facts which occurred and no critical comment is allowed.
That not really fair.
Major pluses have occurred but without some causes for concern

Seeing out game and being the team that drops most points is one of them .

Stop talking out your hat. Plenty on here criticise him, myself included. I just cannot see why you're falling out of your tree because in his 13 or 14 games he hasn't taken the armband off Chester. Or that you cannot see that having 3 right backs, an unfit right footed centre half, with his injury, in poor form and on the wrong side, in front of a suspect keeper, isn't the easiest situation to manage.

Adsy baby !
It's more complex than only having chester as capatin.

I have an issue when someone (Dean Smith) openly talks and advocates an idea and vision, In this case captaincy,  and doesn't implement said idea.

The paradox is that's weak leadership .
Lose respect

I don't know story at Villa that's why I opened it as debate.

Because maybe the players weren't liking Idea or JT or someone .

However as head coach and how he has excellently articlulated his ideas on collective responsibility then it would have been super great if he gave Grealish, Mcginn and others a captaincy match.

I can't be fairer than saying that as that what smith believes - collective responsibility .

Happy new year and I'm done talking Smith . Enjoy yourself this eve and positive for tomorrow.

I respect you ads ! Enjoyed majority of your posts and comments 2018 so continue 2019 we may differ with depth of views or analysis but I hope made clear I disappointed hearing Smith say he likes creating leaders not followers and it never materialized at Villa.

For me I would be disappointed in anyone who makes claims , progressive , inspiring or otherwise and doesn't see it thru.
That's me. That's not you in this situation I get it.
(Helps make me think too how others see things )

Up the villa .
I'm done for 18 see you all next year !!

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1702 on: December 31, 2018, 02:04:54 PM »
What Smith has done with this squad is fantastic. What he can do with his own squad really excites me. His first acts of the transfer window is to sign a top keeper and recall Elphick which is exactly what we needed to do early.

I said after a few games of him being in charge was if we don’t go up this season, we’ll go up next season with 100 points.

Offline villa `cross the mersey

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1703 on: December 31, 2018, 02:16:05 PM »
"Adsy Baby" Fucking hilarious Skillz!!
Keep posting - you brighten my day

Offline stuart445

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1704 on: December 31, 2018, 02:40:32 PM »
He's started looking old already, I hope to god that this job isn't a step to far, there's an awful lot of expectation on his shoulders. Is he the new messiah? I have a nagging doubt it's going to be all too much for him.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong.

You are wrong.

For me it's from tomorrow when the judgement starts as the the excuse of not his players won't be applicable.

January is where he can start to shape the squad the way he wants it so that should be where judgment starts. Already signing a keeper is a positive start so that gives me confidence.

Which of his signings are playing tomorrow then?

How much are they ever gonna be his signings anyway?

He's a head coach

The Kalinic was scouted before and someone who was on radar nothing to do with Smith.

Elphick ?! Was that his decision or JT or club to bring him back ?

Basically unless they are Brentford players coming in could well be targets scouted from a well worn list .

The players identify have to fit his footballing philosophy but will this happen now or in summer .

The other elephant in the room is Smith will be loved by some whatever he does because he's villa and because he's not Bruce

That's a dangerous call and game.

Let's be fair and call it how it is.

Dropped points and some tactics , defending and subs have been underwhelming.

Deano is on the right track and think will win more than he loses but he's somewhat naive in his front foot , pressing game .

I respect he has a set system but with the players he could be flexible to play more than one central striker.

You've hit the nail on the head with the because he's one of our own comment. I feel exactly the same some will excuse him of everything because of it. It's kinda like with Scott Hogan some will make excuse after excuse for him I fear the same will happen with Smith. I just hope the difference between Smith and Hogan will be the no need for the excuses

Offline stuart445

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1705 on: December 31, 2018, 02:42:52 PM »
Comparing Smith at this stage with Bruce is nonsense.
Bruce only got stick and from a few when it became obvious he would not make the play offs in his first season.
I think Smith has made some errors but he is operating under some severe limitations thanks to injuries and Bruce having lost the plot.

Bruce got stick from some right from the get go, if we don't get to the playoffs under Smith do you think Smith will get the same treatment as Bruce.... I think we both know the answer to that is No he won't.

Offline Sexual Ealing

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1706 on: December 31, 2018, 02:45:29 PM »
He's gone Stuart. He's gone.

Offline LeeB

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1707 on: December 31, 2018, 02:48:20 PM »
Stuart, you don't run a chip shop by any chance do you?

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1708 on: December 31, 2018, 02:52:59 PM »
You're blaming Smith for an awful defence made weaker? After a run whereby we've only lost 1?

He not beyond constructive criticism for me.
Credit where due but also all for critical analysis of how losing position are occuring.

What I say is bizarre how it's not seemed appropriate to just state facts which occurred and no critical comment is allowed.
That not really fair.
Major pluses have occurred but without some causes for concern

Seeing out game and being the team that drops most points is one of them .

Stop talking out your hat. Plenty on here criticise him, myself included. I just cannot see why you're falling out of your tree because in his 13 or 14 games he hasn't taken the armband off Chester. Or that you cannot see that having 3 right backs, an unfit right footed centre half, with his injury, in poor form and on the wrong side, in front of a suspect keeper, isn't the easiest situation to manage.

Adsy baby !
It's more complex than only having chester as capatin.

I have an issue when someone (Dean Smith) openly talks and advocates an idea and vision, In this case captaincy,  and doesn't implement said idea.

The paradox is that's weak leadership .
Lose respect

I don't know story at Villa that's why I opened it as debate.

Because maybe the players weren't liking Idea or JT or someone .

However as head coach and how he has excellently articlulated his ideas on collective responsibility then it would have been super great if he gave Grealish, Mcginn and others a captaincy match.

I can't be fairer than saying that as that what smith believes - collective responsibility .

Happy new year and I'm done talking Smith . Enjoy yourself this eve and positive for tomorrow.

I respect you ads ! Enjoyed majority of your posts and comments 2018 so continue 2019 we may differ with depth of views or analysis but I hope made clear I disappointed hearing Smith say he likes creating leaders not followers and it never materialized at Villa.

For me I would be disappointed in anyone who makes claims , progressive , inspiring or otherwise and doesn't see it thru.
That's me. That's not you in this situation I get it.
(Helps make me think too how others see things )

Up the villa .
I'm done for 18 see you all next year !!

His comment about captains was at Brentford. I'm sure he would like to do the same at Villa. It takes time to identify leaders. They need to be able to lead and be respected by players to lead them. How long has he had to do this. I'm struggling to think of anybody in the team other than Chester and even he is not an inspirational leader. The problem for so long at Villa has been lack of leadership on the pitch.

Offline Sexual Ealing

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Re: Dean Smith - Confirmed
« Reply #1709 on: December 31, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »
Stuart, you don't run a chip shop by any chance do you?

Applause.

 


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