Dean Smith - Confirmed

[PeterWithesShin]

Again, as it's 1 post up, he didn't leave a job to join us.

To simply it, how many 34 year old players does anyone think are better paid than him in this division?

[john e]

i know he’s not a manager but didn’t Hutton have better money options but chose to sign with us

If we'd offered 5K a week and someone had offered him £50k a week, do you think he'd be with us? There's a difference between accepting a bit less money but still being paid very well and having a competitive wage, to being underpaid the going rate but working for us just because we're Villa.

I thought I and I might well be wrong because wages and contracts are not my thing, that he had had better monetary offers from elsewhere and chose to stay with us

whether the difference is large or small it's still unusual in modern day football
if its even true of course

The bit less is the key thing, do you think Forest, or anyone, offered say 20K+ more a week than we did?
There's also a big difference in staying somewhere you're happy at for a bit less money at the end of your career and being in your prime and taking a pay cut to move clubs.

no I agree with you
Im not arguing against I was just racking my brain to find if any one in football has ever taken less and he's the only one I could come up with in recent times

although if you look at it the other way round I remember when we were looking for a new manager and names like Eddie Howe were mentioned people did say why would he drop down to us and we had no chance
well there's your answer offer him a big bag of money

[PeterWithesShin]

Richards supposedly turned down more money to join us instead of Sunderland but he was still joining us on 60-70K a week, and technically he didn't leave a job to join us. He just used common sense of not wanting to play up there. Sadly.
Ultimately they are all part mercenary as the money paid does play a part, as much as Villa was a draw to him i'd fancy he's now one of the highest paid managers in this division.

[Border villan]

Again, as it's 1 post up, he didn't leave a job to join us. J

To simply it, how many 34 year old players does anyone think are better paid than him in this division?

He is 33 as his birthday is on Friday. Try to be accurate.

[PeterWithesShin]

Good grief.

[VILLA MOLE]

Richards supposedly turned down more money to join us instead of Sunderland but he was still joining us on 60-70K a week, and technically he didn't leave a job to join us. He just used common sense of not wanting to play up there. Sadly.
Ultimately they are all part mercenary as the money paid does play a part, as much as Villa was a draw to him i'd fancy he's now one of the highest paid managers in this division.

wow I ha forgotten about him again ,I wonder if he was there yesterday?

[Ian.]

Good grief.

Naughty boy

[London Villan]

I wonder if Deano has even seen him.  What a waste a talent, money and a career.

[Toronto Villa]

Hasn’t pretty much everyone wanted a progressive manager? Who has argued against a progressive manager? I think what has happened is most people got behind whoever was appointed because what choice did we have and by that point ultimately there were no alternatives once the appointments were made.

It’s wonderful that Dean Smith embraces modern concepts and wants to not only improve the team but himself. It’s really the least we should expect a manager to do as part of his professional development. That so many don’t, especially British managers shows exactly why we have been left behind as a nation.

I’ve been impressed him so far (as we all have) but it won’t always be smooth sailing. It will be great to see how this season pans out and then if he is able to compete at the top level. Given the right support he can do well. Look at someone like Eddie Howe at a much smaller club. Dean Smith won’t take this for granted like Bruce did. Bruce felt he had arrived. Dean Smith wants to keep improving and that is very encouraging for all of us.

I don't think that first line is true at all. Plenty of people have argued for us to go after people like Bruce, Fat Sam and Moyes when we've been looking, those types of managers always get a decent amount of support on the polls here and on the radio phone-ins, etc. Some people just want the safest option and generally that gets you managers who have an established style and aren't really going to do anything different.

Someone wanting Sam Allardyce because he has a record of rescuing bad situations and therefore potentially turning us around in the short term doesn't exclude that individual from ideally wanting a progressive manager. An Allardyce in his years at Bolton was considered a progressive manager and one of the first to embrace data and analytics.

[paul_e]

Hasn’t pretty much everyone wanted a progressive manager? Who has argued against a progressive manager? I think what has happened is most people got behind whoever was appointed because what choice did we have and by that point ultimately there were no alternatives once the appointments were made.

It’s wonderful that Dean Smith embraces modern concepts and wants to not only improve the team but himself. It’s really the least we should expect a manager to do as part of his professional development. That so many don’t, especially British managers shows exactly why we have been left behind as a nation.

I’ve been impressed him so far (as we all have) but it won’t always be smooth sailing. It will be great to see how this season pans out and then if he is able to compete at the top level. Given the right support he can do well. Look at someone like Eddie Howe at a much smaller club. Dean Smith won’t take this for granted like Bruce did. Bruce felt he had arrived. Dean Smith wants to keep improving and that is very encouraging for all of us.

I don't think that first line is true at all. Plenty of people have argued for us to go after people like Bruce, Fat Sam and Moyes when we've been looking, those types of managers always get a decent amount of support on the polls here and on the radio phone-ins, etc. Some people just want the safest option and generally that gets you managers who have an established style and aren't really going to do anything different.

Someone wanting Sam Allardyce because he has a record of rescuing bad situations and therefore potentially turning us around in the short term doesn't exclude that individual from ideally wanting a progressive manager. An Allardyce in his years at Bolton was considered a progressive manager and one of the first to embrace data and analytics.

but there's always a reason to go for a sure thing rather than take a chance. As I say I think there's plenty of fans (but less on here to be fair) who would happily take bruceball for eternity if we won more games than we lost.

[pauliewalnuts]

Hasn’t pretty much everyone wanted a progressive manager? Who has argued against a progressive manager? I think what has happened is most people got behind whoever was appointed because what choice did we have and by that point ultimately there were no alternatives once the appointments were made.

It’s wonderful that Dean Smith embraces modern concepts and wants to not only improve the team but himself. It’s really the least we should expect a manager to do as part of his professional development. That so many don’t, especially British managers shows exactly why we have been left behind as a nation.

I’ve been impressed him so far (as we all have) but it won’t always be smooth sailing. It will be great to see how this season pans out and then if he is able to compete at the top level. Given the right support he can do well. Look at someone like Eddie Howe at a much smaller club. Dean Smith won’t take this for granted like Bruce did. Bruce felt he had arrived. Dean Smith wants to keep improving and that is very encouraging for all of us.

I don't think that first line is true at all. Plenty of people have argued for us to go after people like Bruce, Fat Sam and Moyes when we've been looking, those types of managers always get a decent amount of support on the polls here and on the radio phone-ins, etc. Some people just want the safest option and generally that gets you managers who have an established style and aren't really going to do anything different.

Someone wanting Sam Allardyce because he has a record of rescuing bad situations and therefore potentially turning us around in the short term doesn't exclude that individual from ideally wanting a progressive manager. An Allardyce in his years at Bolton was considered a progressive manager and one of the first to embrace data and analytics.

but there's always a reason to go for a sure thing rather than take a chance. As I say I think there's plenty of fans (but less on here to be fair) who would happily take bruceball for eternity if we won more games than we lost.

I agree and every time we've changed manager in recent years we've had plenty of people on here banging on about Allardyce. Depressingly.

[Colhint]

What I like is the fact that everyone in the squad is worth more now than 7 weeks ago. He has paid is own wages for the next two years.

[Axl Rose]

Again, as it's 1 post up, he didn't leave a job to join us. J

To simply it, how many 34 year old players does anyone think are better paid than him in this division?

He is 33 as his birthday is on Friday. Try to be accurate.

Haha. Oh dear.

[Dante Lavelli]

What I like is the fact that everyone in the squad is worth more now than 7 weeks ago. He has paid is own wages for the next two years.

Great point.  Getting and increasing the value of players is something we have been incredibly shit at over the years.  playing in a manner which attracts attention naturally does this, doing it well even mote so.

I was arguably a Smith doubter when all the names were being thrown around.  Thankfully his coaching has been exceptional and his aura exceeds what I was expecting.  My doubts were always the bits he did not do at Brentford; so the scouting, transfers, sports science, youth teams.  Those doubts still remain however they're tasks arguably outside his responsibility now with the spanish guy, Pitarch (?) at the club. 

In other words, he seems a very good fit for us right now, and if the spanish guy is equally competent then we'll be a good place for a long time.

[Ian.]

I completely forgot about the Spanish fella behind the scenes.