Next manager?

[pauliewalnuts]

There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread.  Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century.  Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration.  Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate.  It doesn't.  Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed?  That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?.     It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an  idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success.  And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us.  For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently.    Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Completely agree. Well said

Totally agree, too.

Please please please just no more of the fucking safe British manager thing.

[pauliewalnuts]

Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......

He's managing Brentford, not Chelsea

I understand the London club thing and it is a factor, but not so much when you're talking about a nothing club like Brentford.

[Legion]

There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread.  Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century.  Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration.  Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate.  It doesn't.  Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed?  That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?.     It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an  idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success.  And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us.  For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently.    Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

I think this.

Spot on.

[Damo70]

Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?

Martin O'Neill.

Big Ron. Brian Little

Weren't they all still employed elsewhere at the time we binned the bloke they then replaced?

We enticed BFR from Sheffield Wednesday and Brian Little from Leicester but I think MON had just taken a year out from football after quitting Celtic to look after his wife who I beleive was undergoing treatment for cancer at the time.

[Steve67]

Correct Damo. Spot on.

[Damo70]

The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.

Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.

To be fair to Allardyce, Everton were an absolute shambles when he took over and personally I thought they looked bad enough to go down. So he made them solid and dragged them up to an eighth place finish. I think he would be able to get us up this season, keep us up next season and probably take us on a bit higher the following year. But I wouldn't hold my breath for much entertaining football along the way.

[john e]

The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.

Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.

To be fair to Allardyce, Everton were an absolute shambles when he took over and personally I thought they looked bad enough to go down. So he made them solid and dragged them up to an eighth place finish. I think he would be able to get us up this season, keep us up next season and probably take us on a bit higher the following year. But I wouldn't hold my breath for much entertaining football along the way.

what is the point of football if it's not entertaining ?

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

The only way Allardyce would be remotely acceptable for me was if they introduced a bonus three points for every pint of wine drunk each week.

[Damo70]

The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.

Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.

To be fair to Allardyce, Everton were an absolute shambles when he took over and personally I thought they looked bad enough to go down. So he made them solid and dragged them up to an eighth place finish. I think he would be able to get us up this season, keep us up next season and probably take us on a bit higher the following year. But I wouldn't hold my breath for much entertaining football along the way.

what is the point of football if it's not entertaining ?

That is obviously what the Everton hierarchy thought. They brought him in to get them out of the shit and once he had done it they replaced him.

[cdbearsfan]

People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.

They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?

Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.

Absolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.

Did you ignore the whole "Warburton did better" part of my post, or did if not suit your argument?

[berneboy]

Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......

I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.

[ChicagoLion]

Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......

I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.

I’ve bin t Leeds.

It takes all sorts.

[ozzjim]

It will all come down to who the new sporting director is. Should it be the fella from Leicester, hopefully he will have a bit more foresight than going for an Allardyce type.

[AlexAlexCropley]

People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.

They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?

Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.

Absolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.

Did you ignore the whole "Warburton did better" part of my post, or did if not suit your argument?

Whoosh

[cdbearsfan]

If I was being whooshed, fair enough. 😊