I'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
I was relieved when we didn't go for Thierry Henry when the rumours were circulating in the summer, and it's still a no from me. The only managerial experience he's had is a couple of years as second assistant to Martinez for Belgium, and recent reports suggest he blew his chance with Bordeaux with excessive wage demands. Looks like he doesn't want to prove himself by learning his trade at a lower level club.
Sooner or later you have to feel that Eddie Howe would want to manage a bigger club than Bournemouth. He gets them playing attractive football and, with all due respect to Bournemouth, he has made a very small club pretty secure in the PL with a limited budget. Ticks all the boxes for me
Or maybe Mendes can find us another Nuno
None of my business I know, but why not David Warner ?
If your new owners are as rich and ambitious as they're supposed to be (Tony Xia?) he might be tempted by a shedload of cash and the medium term prospect of crossing swords with his old mate Klopp on a more equal basis than Huddersfield could ever dream of. It might also be a good time for him to bail out of Huddersfield before it inevitably goes tits up.
Personally I hope you get Brendan Rodgers, he's an even bigger Fkin egomaniacal wanker than Martin O'Neill and Tim Sherwood combined.
Somebody I've never heard of would be my choice.What , like Bielsa you mean ? ;)
Does Dean Smith actually buy the players at Brentford ?
I was under the impression they adopt a different way of working and he just gets on with what he's given.
Not a big enough name/presence for me personally, and i do suspect if he had zero Villa connections (however vague) nobody would even mention his name when talk of a new Villa manager being needed came up. I'm surprised we haven't had a clamour for Mellberg as well.
Some players can't hack the expectation levels when they join us, they shrink with the weight on their shoulders, and i wouldn't want to destroy his career if he couldn't hack it either. We're almost a poisoned chalice as it clearly takes a certain kind of man to do the job, one with incredibly thick skin and a deaf ear to all the groans. Nobody is going to come in and get 'time' either. So that narrows down the field as far as i can see it.
If Bruce goes we need a confident balls out character, who's already done it who isn't afraid to ruffle a few feathers IMHO
I want Juan Carlos Osorio Arbeláez.
Loved the story about him living in England and learning about the game here.
Liked the football he had his team's playing.
I believe he's a free agent after leaving his post as the Mexico manager.
Somebody I've never heard of would be my choice.What , like Bielsa you mean ? ;)
Juan Carlos Osorio Arbeláez has gone to the top of my list.
I want him.
I want Juan Carlos Osorio Arbeláez.
Loved the story about him living in England and learning about the game here.
Liked the football he had his team's playing.
I believe he's a free agent after leaving his post as the Mexico manager.
Like this one, totally left field, he would certainly handle the pressure after managing Mexico!
I want Juan Carlos Osorio Arbeláez.
Loved the story about him living in England and learning about the game here.
Liked the football he had his team's playing.
I believe he's a free agent after leaving his post as the Mexico manager.
Like this one, totally left field, he would certainly handle the pressure after managing Mexico!
Yes, get him in!
just think what a manager with a brain could do!
Can we please stop mentioning Brendan Bloody Rogers. As someone mentioned a while back, this was the man who got out thought by Tim Tactics Sherwood at Wembley.
According to my Kopite mate he can’t organise a defence for anything.
just think what a manager with a brain could do!
Iain Dowie has a masters in engineering.
i'd start by offering Wenger a 5/6 year deal and try and sell him the Villa project
total control, and the start of the Villa engine as it should have been
could always say no but it's worth sounding out first
Villa are the closest club in stature history and size to Arsenal he's available you can't lose anything by sounding him out
time to set the bar high
Dwight Yorke
Only joshing
Quique Flores. Got shat on at Watford, he loved managing in England and he knows how to dress himself.
Quique Flores. Got shat on at Watford, he loved managing in England and he knows how to dress himself.
Seconded.
Definitely not Henry either. We've tried the fanboy approach and it doesn't work.
i'd start by offering Wenger a 5/6 year deal and try and sell him the Villa project
total control, and the start of the Villa engine as it should have been
could always say no but it's worth sounding out first
Villa are the closest club in stature history and size to Arsenal he's available you can't lose anything by sounding him out
time to set the bar high
None of my business I know, but why not David Warner ?
If your new owners are as rich and ambitious as they're supposed to be (Tony Xia?) he might be tempted by a shedload of cash and the medium term prospect of crossing swords with his old mate Klopp on a more equal basis than Huddersfield could ever dream of. It might also be a good time for him to bail out of Huddersfield before it inevitably goes tits up.
Personally I hope you get Brendan Rodgers, he's an even bigger Fkin egomaniacal wanker than Martin O'Neill and Tim Sherwood combined.
Isn't he currently banned for ball tampering?
Surely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Nice one AlexSurely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Eh?
All the back four had played in their positions before, three in their 'correct' positions
The midfield all played in their correct positions
RHM played in his correct position
Axel played in a position he's played in at Man Utd also
i'm all for making bold claims but unless i've read the team completely wrong nobody was out of position last night apart from Bree, and he got MOTM
Surely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Eh?
All the back four had played in their positions before, three in their 'correct' positions
The midfield all played in their correct positions
RHM played in his correct position
Axel played in a position he's played in at Man Utd also
i'm all for making bold claims but unless i've read the team completely wrong nobody was out of position last night apart from Bree, and he got MOTM
What is also relevant is that he signed 8 of the 12 that played last night.As he regards himself as a motivator who gets players to roll up their sleeves and put their boots on,the embarrassment ,as he called it,is a damning indictment of his methods.It's time that he put his boots on and went walking.Nice one AlexSurely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Eh?
All the back four had played in their positions before, three in their 'correct' positions
The midfield all played in their correct positions
RHM played in his correct position
Axel played in a position he's played in at Man Utd also
i'm all for making bold claims but unless i've read the team completely wrong nobody was out of position last night apart from Bree, and he got MOTM
Nice one AlexSurely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Eh?
All the back four had played in their positions before, three in their 'correct' positions
The midfield all played in their correct positions
RHM played in his correct position
Axel played in a position he's played in at Man Utd also
i'm all for making bold claims but unless i've read the team completely wrong nobody was out of position last night apart from Bree, and he got MOTM
Surely everyone was crapola last night due to the fact that nobody was in a position they knew/enjoyed. I mean what was he thinking? If he was making a point I'm not sure what it was...
Eh?
All the back four had played in their positions before, three in their 'correct' positions
The midfield all played in their correct positions
RHM played in his correct position
Axel played in a position he's played in at Man Utd also
i'm all for making bold claims but unless i've read the team completely wrong nobody was out of position last night apart from Bree, and he got MOTM
If we're going full-Mendez, Rui Vitória at Benfica.
Has won four leagues in a row there, but might not have the kind of profile (yet) to get a topflight job in England. Compare to Nuno Espírito Santo at FC Porto, who -in his last season there- won phuck all. Which with Porto's natural advantages takes some doing.
Can we please stop mentioning Brendan Bloody Rogers. As someone mentioned a while back, this was the man who got out thought by Tim Tactics Sherwood at Wembley.
According to my Kopite mate he can’t organise a defence for anything.
I'd like Howe or Dyche. I don't think we'd get them.
Second choice would be Arteta or Rodgers.
Sadly, I dont think anything will happen till a CEO is appointed.
I'd like Howe or Dyche. I don't think we'd get them.
Second choice would be Arteta or Rodgers.
Sadly, I dont think anything will happen till a CEO is appointed.
I don’t agree on the ‘sadly’. The relationship between manager and CEO is surely key and appointments need to be made top down to enable a way forward to be agreed.
I'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
Christ I'd quite like the disaster of 3 consecutive top 6 PL finishes !
I'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
Christ I'd quite like the disaster of 3 consecutive top 6 PL finishes !
With hindsight, in my opinion, MON was the start of the decline. He binned a lot of promising youngsters (see how many of them went on to build careers elsewhere - Steven Davis and Gary Cahill stand out) and replaced them with old/high wage players. Plus the downturn in our home form started then; he turned us into a counter-attacking team that did well away but struggled when expected to drive the game at home. The league placing was good - as was were the cup runs - but when he left, he left us in the sh**t.
I want a manager that’s goes for the throat for 90mins.
I'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
Christ I'd quite like the disaster of 3 consecutive top 6 PL finishes !
With hindsight, in my opinion, MON was the start of the decline. He binned a lot of promising youngsters (see how many of them went on to build careers elsewhere - Steven Davis and Gary Cahill stand out) and replaced them with old/high wage players. Plus the downturn in our home form started then; he turned us into a counter-attacking team that did well away but struggled when expected to drive the game at home. The league placing was good - as was were the cup runs - but when he left, he left us in the sh**t.
I've heard it said that a good manager is someone who leaves a club in a better state than when they found it. By that definition, MON failed - as so many others have.
Wow, another MON debate begins.
Anyway, next Manager for Villa? I wonder if we need a young and old combo? Perhaps something like a John Terry/Harry Redknapp type combo, but not Harry Redknapp.
Wow, another MON debate begins.
Anyway, next Manager for Villa? I wonder if we need a young and old combo? Perhaps something like a John Terry/Harry Redknapp type combo, but not Harry Redknapp.
Wow, another MON debate begins.
Anyway, next Manager for Villa? I wonder if we need a young and old combo? Perhaps something like a John Terry/Harry Redknapp type combo, but not Harry Redknapp.
Quite like the sound of that management team apart from John Terry and Harry Redknapp.
Can you imagine if we got Redknapp?
Wow, another MON debate begins.
Anyway, next Manager for Villa? I wonder if we need a young and old combo? Perhaps something like a John Terry/Harry Redknapp type combo, but not Harry Redknapp.
Quite like the sound of that management team apart from John Terry and Harry Redknapp.
Not sure about the John Terry and Harry Redknapp elements in that equation.
Rafa looks like a man who wants out?
Rafa looks like a man who wants out?
Rafa looks like a man who wants out?
the Newcastle performance against Chelsea was a hundred times worse than anything Bruce has produced which is saying something
it was unforgivable and one of the most anti football things I’ve ever seen
of course he might have been making statement to his board and Mike Ashley
I wouldn’t want him for either of those reasons
I'd like Howe or Dyche. I don't think we'd get them.People suggesting Quique Flores are also into something, I’d say.
Second choice would be Arteta or Rodgers.
Sadly, I dont think anything will happen till a CEO is appointed.
Agreed. My ‘sadly’ was to do with timing, not a poke at process.I'd like Howe or Dyche. I don't think we'd get them.
Second choice would be Arteta or Rodgers.
Sadly, I dont think anything will happen till a CEO is appointed.
I don’t agree on the ‘sadly’. The relationship between manager and CEO is surely key and appointments need to be made top down to enable a way forward to be agreed.
Yup, agree. If we're going to do it, let's do it properly.
either way there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of possible options good or bad realistic or dreaming
makes a mockery of the people who say ‘who would replace him’ as if there is no one out there who could possibly do a better job than Bruce
either way there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of possible options good or bad realistic or dreaming
makes a mockery of the people who say ‘who would replace him’ as if there is no one out there who could possibly do a better job than Bruce
I don't think anyone is suggesting there is no-one else who couldn't do a better job, maybe they are just asking who is out there who would come and be an ideal replacement. The thread title gives that away somewhat I think.
I am really conflicted do I want to see us in the PL acting as the drubbing boys for the "big 6" or do I want to see us playing enjoyable, watchable football where we are competitive and challenging? I would like to see a more expansive manager than the must not lose, Bruce anti football approach
either way there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of possible options good or bad realistic or dreamingI don't think it does at all. Most of the suggestions are currently in a job and it's a massive leap of faith to assume any would jump ship just a few weeks into the season.
makes a mockery of the people who say ‘who would replace him’ as if there is no one out there who could possibly do a better job than Bruce
I wouldn't want that saturnine twat anywhere near Villa Park. And I don't care how successful he has been. Cnut.
If Bruce goes we need someone to come in and conjure up a defence from somewhere - are there 3 or four competent out of contract defenders out there?
We need someone the fans would take to immediately. Like Harry Redknapp or Ian Holloway.
On a more serious note, if we do remove Bruce would it be worth giving Brian Little another shot at the job?
We need someone the fans would take to immediately. Like Harry Redknapp or Ian Holloway.Was only talking about Brian earlier.Unfortunately it was in a what has he brought to the table way.
On a more serious note, if we do remove Bruce would it be worth giving Brian Little another shot at the job?
He might be settled and doing well at Brentford, but I'm sure he wouldn't be able to resist. He might not get another chance.If he's good enough he will, somewhere down the line. I just worry that what we'd be asking him to do straight away, i.e. get us up and keep us up, is far too much to expect from a man with his limited experience.
On a more serious note, if we do remove Bruce would it be worth giving Brian Little another shot at the job?
He might be settled and doing well at Brentford, but I'm sure he wouldn't be able to resist. He might not get another chance.If he's good enough he will, somewhere down the line. I just worry that what we'd be asking him to do straight away, i.e. get us up and keep us up, is far too much to expect from a man with his limited experience.
Dean Smith for me. My only concern is Villa is a much different proposition to Brentford and expectation is huge.
With Dean Smith I can't get over the concern that we're over-hyping him because he's one of us.Indeed; despite his record against us.
With Dean Smith I can't get over the concern that we're over-hyping him because he's one of us.Indeed; despite his record against us.
My main worry with Rodgers is that he would consider himself bigger than the job.
Correction: *because* of his record against us. Being Villa and beating the Villa is a real double whammy.Quite. And neither should have anything but the minutest bearing on our selection process, if that.
My main worry with Rodgers is that he would consider himself bigger than the job.
That is a fair point. I reckon Henry would be the same.
As I have said previously, offer Howe the contract of his life and the funds to build what he wants and I'm sure he would take it.
With Dean Smith I can't get over the concern that we're over-hyping him because he's one of us.
Without wanting to sound mean, Dean Smith sounds to me like a Championship appointment rather than an appointment which aspires to getting to the Premier League.
I just don't think Smith would get the time. Bruce has only got this long because he had some sort of reputation.
RDM got no time. An iffy 12months while he sorts the mess out - you'd get that at Brenford, not here.
Without wanting to sound mean, Dean Smith sounds to me like a Championship appointment rather than an appointment which aspires to getting to the Premier League.
I just don't think Smith would get the time. Bruce has only got this long because he had some sort of reputation.
RDM got no time. An iffy 12months while he sorts the mess out - you'd get that at Brenford, not here.
RDM was a chancer who suckered Tony Xia.
I just don't think Smith would get the time. Bruce has only got this long because he had some sort of reputation.
RDM got no time. An iffy 12months while he sorts the mess out - you'd get that at Brenford, not here.
RDM was a chancer who suckered Tony Xia.
well whatever he was, i don't think Smith would get much leeway. People are already talking about the next manager getting us promoted, with another guy's team and half of them we don't even own. He's not going to be building anything for his first season
I just don't think Smith would get the time. Bruce has only got this long because he had some sort of reputation.
RDM got no time. An iffy 12months while he sorts the mess out - you'd get that at Brenford, not here.
RDM was a chancer who suckered Tony Xia.
well whatever he was, i don't think Smith would get much leeway. People are already talking about the next manager getting us promoted, with another guy's team and half of them we don't even own. He's not going to be building anything for his first season
Without wanting to sound mean, Dean Smith sounds to me like a Championship appointment rather than an appointment which aspires to getting to the Premier League.
Without wanting to sound mean, Dean Smith sounds to me like a Championship appointment rather than an appointment which aspires to getting to the Premier League.
Is there such a thing as long term these days, unless somebody like Howe or Dyche gets Bournemouth/Burnley promoted and survives and thrives in the PL? If we think Dean Smith is the man to get us out of the Championship we should appoint him. If we then get promotion and think we need someone like Allardyce to keep us up we should appoint him. If we then think we need someone else to move us forward into a top half side we should appoint them. Watford seem to have done something like that quite successfully. In the words of the legend that was Detective Lieutenant Frank Drebin "It's a long shot, but it might just work".
Look at what Bielsa Marcelo has done for Leeds already and he can't even speak bloody English!
This squad is the envy of the championship, it now needs someone to organise them into a TEAM!
The art is in getting the right manager for the job, preferably one who understands tactics and is willing to embrace the challenge of managing Aston Villa.
Would take any of Rodgers, Bielsa, Dyche or Howe.
No more plodding Championship fodder. We need someone to get us promoted AND help us to strive in the Premier League, long-term.
Absolute no to Dean Smith. Appointing someone just because they are a fan is the sort of moronic shit Newcastle do.
Well he lost Dembele to Lion yesterday to top-off a truly shite transfer window for Celtic and they failed to get into the Champions League again so he may have had his fill of the limitations in managing up there. I guess it depends if winning everything in a league without much competition is enough to keep him motivated.
Would take any of Rodgers, Bielsa, Dyche or Howe.
No more plodding Championship fodder. We need someone to get us promoted AND help us to strive in the Premier League, long-term.
Absolute no to Dean Smith. Appointing someone just because they are a fan is the sort of moronic shit Newcastle do.
How about appointing Smith because he's doing a really good job?
Without wanting to sound mean, Dean Smith sounds to me like a Championship appointment rather than an appointment which aspires to getting to the Premier League.That sounds mean🙂
I don’t think any of those would come. Rodgers would be a good shout when we go up, but not down here. He’s way past that.Why? How?
The first big premier league club to sack their manager will probably be in for Rodgers.What do you mean by big? I don’t think the six in the mix for CL will touch him so who’s next?
I still thing we should go for Wagner.
Dean Smith won't be our next manager - for a start it involves paying out two large compo settlements to Bruce and his team and Brentford. If he goes I'm expecting a forward thinking foreign coach.
Would take any of Rodgers, Bielsa, Dyche or Howe.
No more plodding Championship fodder. We need someone to get us promoted AND help us to strive in the Premier League, long-term.
Absolute no to Dean Smith. Appointing someone just because they are a fan is the sort of moronic shit Newcastle do.
How about appointing Smith because he's doing a really good job?
totally agree I think the job and its weight of expectation would subsume him within a few months
. Bruce is a dinosaur and this division has left him behind.
I think even Sunday morning parks football has left Bruce behind.. Bruce is a dinosaur and this division has left him behind.
he was a dinosaur in 2011
Absolutely not. No gambles or as lower risk as is possible.
We won't be going for a Pochettino/Jokanovic type appontment. Whoever we get in, we'll already know of. That's the Villa way, seemingly.
sadly I think you are right. Dyche Howe Rodgers, someone of that ilk
Absolutely not. No gambles or as lower risk as is possible.
Who would you go for?
I think I am the opposite of your thinking as I am fed up of the same old faces and want someone fresh with innovative ideas to put the spark back into Aston Villa!
I think I have already liked Axl Rose suggestion of the ex Mexico manager (who speaks English), Juan Carlos Osorio Arbeláez.
Absolutely not. No gambles or as lower risk as is possible.
Same reason it overwhelmed Lambert, who went from a swashbuckling attacking manager to an absolute husk, having us play square balls from goal kicks.
I appreciate that. I'd prefer us to make an appointment that was more balls out so to speak. We've got the money and ambition, it would be nice to see us pluck the next Poch and handing a coach with those sort of qualities the keys to this squad, I'd fancy us to to win the while show.
Defensively, we're a bit of a shambles. But you'd think getting them into the auditorium to watch DVDs of the next opponents corners and set pieces and then picking something staggering such as players in the right spot, would see us a lot better off.
This Amazon series of Pep has made me quite jealous.
Dean Smith would cope just fine I reckon. He’s a good, progressive manager and I think he’d get us playing decent football and the results would follow. No point hoping for a Howe or Wagner type if you think a similarly talented manager would flop at Villa.
If there is nobody available, what is the harm in going for a Terry or a Henry for the season, with a review at the end of it?
It simply cannot be any worse than sticking with Bruce and his ridiculous refusal to trust his players to take games to the opposition.
Frank Lampard has started OK at Derby and if we fail to go up, we would have the opportunity to change things next summer.
Dean Smith would cope just fine I reckon. He’s a good, progressive manager and I think he’d get us playing decent football and the results would follow. No point hoping for a Howe or Wagner type if you think a similarly talented manager would flop at Villa.
Howe and Wagner are significantly better managers than Smith IMO. I don’t get the love for Smith, he has done a decent job at Brentford but nothing more. He has hardly done a Warnock and taken them to promotion. Many being swayed by his suport of Villa
Ranieri anyone?
Dean Smith would cope just fine I reckon. He’s a good, progressive manager and I think he’d get us playing decent football and the results would follow. No point hoping for a Howe or Wagner type if you think a similarly talented manager would flop at Villa.
Howe and Wagner are significantly better managers than Smith IMO. I don’t get the love for Smith, he has done a decent job at Brentford but nothing more. He has hardly done a Warnock and taken them to promotion. Many being swayed by his suport of Villa
Ranieri anyone?
I think Smith has done a very good job for a club like Brentford. Three top 10 finishes in a row, while continuously selling their best players is no mean feat at all.
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
And may be be he is fed up of walk over wins every week in SPL.
Terry with an experienced no 2 and DOFNO
Stop talking dirty RCF.And may be be he is fed up of walk over wins every week in SPL.
A bit like Martin O'Neill and Alex McLeish.
Same reason it overwhelmed Lambert, who went from a swashbuckling attacking manager to an absolute husk, having us play square balls from goal kicks.I desperately wanted Lambert but I am afraid he traded his coaching ethics for a piece of silver.
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
re Mendes, someone on Twatter is suggesting we all put our money on Paulo Fonseca.
re Mendes, someone on Twatter is suggesting we all put our money on Paulo Fonseca.
if bruce goes, i'd put my money on carlos carvalhal.
not a client of jorge mendes, but they are close, and there would be no compensation.
re Mendes, someone on Twatter is suggesting we all put our money on Paulo Fonseca.
Decent record, brilliant at Shaktar but doubt he would leave them for us... Unless Mendes told him to of course.
Much more the type we could do with though.
I think we have been stung by the failure of whatever we have tried manager wise post MON (and even that didn’t end well) that whoever we go for when the time comes will cause disquiet amongs some of us and to be honest at the level we are currently at everyone is likely to be a gamble.
All we can hope for is some clear thinking and a plan to support whoever we appoint post Bruce.
I'd give Derek McInnes a go. He's probably done as much as he can with Aberdeen (who were finishing in 8th and 9th under Craig Brown). They consistently finish 2nd and won their first trophy since the mid 1990s under him.Not the worst shout. I did a bit of coaching at the Bristol City academy when he was there. Lots of the full-time coaching staff were positive about him and he was very keen to get the academy set up right and to have every age group playing with a consistent approach (simple stuff really!).
He loses players to the old firm every season and still puts together a good team. Aberdeen IMO were more than a match for Burnley in the Europa qualifiers.
I think unlike Potato he'd also be itching the succeed because of his past record (his time at Bristol City).
That very nice ex Chelsea, ex Holland international who bought us coffee and talked me out of suicide after the play off final would do well I think.
re Mendes, someone on Twatter is suggesting we all put our money on Paulo Fonseca.
I'd give Derek McInnes a go. He's probably done as much as he can with Aberdeen (who were finishing in 8th and 9th under Craig Brown). They consistently finish 2nd and won their first trophy since the mid 1990s under him.Not the worst shout. I did a bit of coaching at the Bristol City academy when he was there. Lots of the full-time coaching staff were positive about him and he was very keen to get the academy set up right and to have every age group playing with a consistent approach (simple stuff really!).
He loses players to the old firm every season and still puts together a good team. Aberdeen IMO were more than a match for Burnley in the Europa qualifiers.
I think unlike Potato he'd also be itching the succeed because of his past record (his time at Bristol City).
He made mistakes but provided he learned from them, that is no bad thing.
He had a mentor, an old manager, which struck me as a very useful thing. Good coaches/managers need to honestly reflect on both the good and bad things that happen and this is much more likely with a trusted voice outside of the coaching clique, i.e. the people who owe their living to the bloke who they need to be honest with.
That very nice ex Chelsea, ex Holland international who bought us coffee and talked me out of suicide after the play off final would do well I think.
I’ve googled ex Chelsea and Dutch International working in a coffee shop and couldn’t see anything.
Who was that?
That very nice ex Chelsea, ex Holland international who bought us coffee and talked me out of suicide after the play off final would do well I think.
I’ve googled ex Chelsea and Dutch International working in a coffee shop and couldn’t see anything.
Who was that?
He's not Dutch Brian, he was born in Brazil.or Italy .........Nero
Costa.
It has to be Cherie Lunghi.
Toxeth O'Grady?Ha ha.
re Mendes, someone on Twatter is suggesting we all put our money on Paulo Fonseca.
It has to be Cherie Lunghi.
Even at her age (66) she might stiffen the defence.
If we really think we could get managers like Fonseca, perhaps a punt for Erik ten Hag manager at Ajax, has worked at Bayern 2nds under Pep and is probably the next "big thing" to come out of Holland. However he signed a 4 year contract last year.
Rumours on Twitter of Terry with Agnew and Calderwood. What does Calderwood bring to the party?
Or Buck who is a real star.He's not Dutch Brian, he was born in Brazil.or Italy .........Nero
Costa.
Take your pick here.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
A propos of nothing, today's the birthday of a manager who got back-to-back promotions in his first two seasons coaching. Yes he's Swedish. And yes he used to captain the Villa. Not that this has anything to do with anything.Not (generally) in favour of appointing former players or people who are fans - but when Mellberg has the experience and credentials, WOW. Just WOW.
It has to be Cherie Lunghi.Gabriella Benson Wiki tells me.
On the basis that I was suggesting Lambert for about two years before his appointment as being a great fit for us and then was pleased when we got Bruce as I thought he would have the necessary nous to get us promoted, I haven't got a particularly good track record in picking the right man. i also don't have the knowledge of who is who across Europe to now offer a left-field suggestion.
However, for what it is worth I think Smith is too much the fans' sentimental choice and I could easily see it ending in tears. I also tend to think that the likes of Dyche at Burnley and Howe at Bournemouth are those right place, right time appointments that don't replicate elsewhere. Experienced DoF and young protégé? Possibly, but when you hear names like Wenger/Henry banded around I then think someone past their sell by date coupled with the inexperienced is not what we want. Rodgers is a good choice as he appears to be a progressive, positive coach, who having been in the Liverpool and Glasgow goldfish bowls is not going to be daunted by the supposed size of the Villa. But, how many Old Firm managers have come south and subsequently pulled up trees? McNeill? Souness? O'Neill? McLeish? Strachan?
In short, I haven't got a clue.
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
I wanted Rodgers the summer everyone else seemed to want Lambert. In hindsight it was never going to happen as he went to Liverpool in pretty much the same week we got Lambert. Whether you want to spin his time at Liverpool as good or disappointing and whether you want to give him credit for his success at Celtic or not I think the most relevant thing for us would be the job he did at getting Swansea up and keeping them up. I also think that he is unlikely to be offered a top Premier League job at somewhere like Manchester United, so I agree his options are probably the likes of West Ham, Newcastle or Southampton (who would only go for him if they are struggling) or maybe he fancies a big Championship job like the Villa.
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
I wanted Rodgers the summer everyone else seemed to want Lambert. In hindsight it was never going to happen as he went to Liverpool in pretty much the same week we got Lambert. Whether you want to spin his time at Liverpool as good or disappointing and whether you want to give him credit for his success at Celtic or not I think the most relevant thing for us would be the job he did at getting Swansea up and keeping them up. I also think that he is unlikely to be offered a top Premier League job at somewhere like Manchester United, so I agree his options are probably the likes of West Ham, Newcastle or Southampton (who would only go for him if they are struggling) or maybe he fancies a big Championship job like the Villa.
I think most would have chosen Rodgers instead of Lambert, but mist realised pretty quickly he wouldn’t be coming to us
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
I wanted Rodgers the summer everyone else seemed to want Lambert. In hindsight it was never going to happen as he went to Liverpool in pretty much the same week we got Lambert. Whether you want to spin his time at Liverpool as good or disappointing and whether you want to give him credit for his success at Celtic or not I think the most relevant thing for us would be the job he did at getting Swansea up and keeping them up. I also think that he is unlikely to be offered a top Premier League job at somewhere like Manchester United, so I agree his options are probably the likes of West Ham, Newcastle or Southampton (who would only go for him if they are struggling) or maybe he fancies a big Championship job like the Villa.
I think most would have chosen Rodgers instead of Lambert, but mist realised pretty quickly he wouldn’t be coming to us
I remember wanting Roberto Martinez, just always liked him and his Footballing style
would still take him now even though he’s in International management and out of our reach
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
I wanted Rodgers the summer everyone else seemed to want Lambert. In hindsight it was never going to happen as he went to Liverpool in pretty much the same week we got Lambert. Whether you want to spin his time at Liverpool as good or disappointing and whether you want to give him credit for his success at Celtic or not I think the most relevant thing for us would be the job he did at getting Swansea up and keeping them up. I also think that he is unlikely to be offered a top Premier League job at somewhere like Manchester United, so I agree his options are probably the likes of West Ham, Newcastle or Southampton (who would only go for him if they are struggling) or maybe he fancies a big Championship job like the Villa.
I think most would have chosen Rodgers instead of Lambert, but mist realised pretty quickly he wouldn’t be coming to us
I remember wanting Roberto Martinez, just always liked him and his Footballing style
would still take him now even though he’s in International management and out of our reach
And didnt win the world cup with the best squad. Plays his best player out of position. Keeps playing baffling tactics. And cant set up a defence. He will fit right in
i know not enough games have been played to really know where teams will finish at the end of the season
but remember that inexperienced, young ex tv pundit who took over at Derby that people thought would struggle badly at first
well he's sitting two points from top in 4th position just now
Why would Rodgers come to Villa? If he did decide to leave Celtic surely it would be back to a Premier League club.Because he’d want to put us where we should be in terms of support, ground, facilities and finances available. It’s a great challenge for a forward thinking manager.
I just can’t see it personally, as much as I would love it to happen...
I think it's doubtful, but you get the feeling he wants to come down south and which big team in the Premier would he get ? None of the top 6, Everton are ok for a manager, so it would be someone like West Ham, Newcastle and would he want to work for their owners.
I wanted Rodgers the summer everyone else seemed to want Lambert. In hindsight it was never going to happen as he went to Liverpool in pretty much the same week we got Lambert. Whether you want to spin his time at Liverpool as good or disappointing and whether you want to give him credit for his success at Celtic or not I think the most relevant thing for us would be the job he did at getting Swansea up and keeping them up. I also think that he is unlikely to be offered a top Premier League job at somewhere like Manchester United, so I agree his options are probably the likes of West Ham, Newcastle or Southampton (who would only go for him if they are struggling) or maybe he fancies a big Championship job like the Villa.
I think most would have chosen Rodgers instead of Lambert, but mist realised pretty quickly he wouldn’t be coming to us
I remember wanting Roberto Martinez, just always liked him and his Footballing style
would still take him now even though he’s in International management and out of our reach
And didnt win the world cup with the best squad. Plays his best player out of position. Keeps playing baffling tactics. And cant set up a defence. He will fit right in
i know not enough games have been played to really know where teams will finish at the end of the season
but remember that inexperienced, young ex tv pundit who took over at Derby that people thought would struggle badly at first
well he's sitting two points from top in 4th position just now
i know not enough games have been played to really know where teams will finish at the end of the season
but remember that inexperienced, young ex tv pundit who took over at Derby that people thought would struggle badly at first
well he's sitting two points from top in 4th position just now
Lampard's doing o.k but they were completely outplayed by Leeds. Derby got plenty of good players so they're in their usual play off position that "dinosaurs" like Rowett and McClaren got them to.
André Villas-Boas
does Mendes know him as he is portuguese ?
free agent , still only 40 ,
excellent win rate with all his clubs.
I just think his name suits us as manager .
i know not enough games have been played to really know where teams will finish at the end of the season
but remember that inexperienced, young ex tv pundit who took over at Derby that people thought would struggle badly at first
well he's sitting two points from top in 4th position just now
Lampard's doing o.k but they were completely outplayed by Leeds. Derby got plenty of good players so they're in their usual play off position that "dinosaurs" like Rowett and McClaren got them to.
he got completely out played by Leeds after being there for a couple of games we got completely out played by Sheff Utd with Bruce after about a hundred games
H&V favourite Howard Hodgson was one of the callers on WM last night and mentioned Quique Sanchez Flores as a possible replacement for Bruce. Wouldn't be a bad shout and has experience of managing in this country.
André Villas-Boas
does Mendes know him as he is portuguese ?
free agent , still only 40 ,
excellent win rate with all his clubs.
I just think his name suits us as manager .
That’s not a bad shout actually. I’d forgotten about him.
has Chelts offered any intel ?
has Chelts offered any intel ?
Yes, apparently one his underlings at work is being a twat and/or is taking the piss.
As Brentford seem to be flavour of the month, the man who led the club from League One to promotion to the Championship in the 2013–14 season and finished the following season with the club's best second-tier placing for 80 years is currently out of work, he's not a Villa fan though.
As Brentford seem to be flavour of the month, the man who led the club from League One to promotion to the Championship in the 2013–14 season and finished the following season with the club's best second-tier placing for 80 years is currently out of work, he's not a Villa fan though.
Isn't he out of work because he's done a rubbish job at his last two clubs and left two out of his three clubs including Brentford in somewhat dodgy circumstances though?
As Brentford seem to be flavour of the month, the man who led the club from League One to promotion to the Championship in the 2013–14 season and finished the following season with the club's best second-tier placing for 80 years is currently out of work, he's not a Villa fan though.
Isn't he out of work because he's done a rubbish job at his last two clubs and left two out of his three clubs including Brentford in somewhat dodgy circumstances though?
Quite possibly but I know as much about him as the current Brentford manager, apart from he possibly isn't a Villa supporter.
How about a Sven/Terry combo?
How about a Sven/Terry combo?
Skittles are sweets aren't they? Did you mean Skiffle?
Only worth getting rid of Bruce when there's a better option and the right option.
Rodgers or Benitez please, make it happen.
Rodgers or Benitez please, make it happen.
I would be surprised if Benitez wanted to drop into the Championship again.
Exactly. There's a bit of a myth about Benitez playing swashbuckling forward thinking football. He has pretty much always played a counter attacking style and if Bruce was setting up teams like he is now he'd be getting slaughtered for it. I do like Rafa, but don't expect a huge change in approach if he ever comes.Rodgers or Benitez please, make it happen.
I would be surprised if Benitez wanted to drop into the Championship again.
and the blokes more negative than Bruce right now
I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.
I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.
I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.
I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.
I don't think we've been particularly fickle despite the shitefest that you refer to.
I can't help but think they've got Henry on hold.
I do think though that whoever comes in next, if they are a good match on paper and are generally moving the club forwards in the way we all want, as fans we should be extra patient with them.Well, we gave Lamberk and Fistface plenty of time to succeed - the fans have only just started turning on the latter, despite the dross served out by him.
My worry is that we as a fanbase have been seared by the abject shitefest we've had the misfortune to witness from our last few managers and ownership.
I'm eager and impatient for Villa to step into who we truly are as a club, but it might be a slower road than we can imagine.
I don't think we've been particularly fickle despite the shitefest that you refer to.
We’ve given some of them time, we’ve got rid of others quickly; we’ve tried experience, we’ve tried up and coming; we’ve tried giving the money, we’ve tried austerity. The only thing they have in common is that in recent years they have all failed. That points to a more fundamental problem with our recruiting process. New owners should, in theory, provide a fresh approach but as I said on another thread we do not appear to currently be ready to be able to make such a fundamental change.
Of course, with all that said there could be plenty going on behind the scenes that we are not privy but it’s a gamble.
Sven? No way
Think Dyche has got oodles of time before they'd even consider getting rid. And rightly so
The general point that at some stage a good manager will leave a premier league team is a good one tho
Only worth getting rid of Bruce when there's a better option and the right option.
Benitez isn't an attacking manager but he is a modern one.
I'm interested in this idea that attacking football (or even passing football) = 'modern' football. There are plenty of really attacking, passing-minded managers who have no idea what they're doing in the modern game (Holloway, Mowbray, Tactics Tim), and plenty of defensive or cautious ones who do (Wagner, Benitez, del Bosque even).
I prefer great, sweeping, aesthetically pleasing football as much as anyone else, but the problem here isn't just that Bruce is defensive - it's that he's defensive because his way of setting up defensive football is the simplest thing he can think of, which he does because he's so badly left behind by many even in the Championship. Give me Benitez over that any day.
Edit: should point out that we are, to be polite, incredibly unlikely to get Benitez.
Paulo Fonseca
Paulo Fonseca
Isn't he a client of Mendes?
Paul Lambert please
Paul Lambert pleasewhat is dr jo up to these days>?
Paul Lambert please
I reckon they will go for Moyes, not that I want him!
A lot of much as much around. Quite a lot of names have either succeeded in easy jobs or on the back of a previous custodian. I also would be cautious as to a villa man namely dean smith we would ruin him.
Bruce on the other hand appears to have lost some control and some questionable ins and outs have taken place. Perhaps it is his back room staff that’s needs looking at
As it stands right now I would only make a change if we had some sort of change of direction
Benitez - he's as negative as Bruce.
Brendan could be a shout. We are already have a better squad and potentially more money to spend. He's had his time in Scotland, completed it and now has his rep back. I'm sure he'd prefer a prem job though but if you don't ask.....
Smith is becoming the obvious choice mind.
Going to be Henry.
Going to be Henry.
Yep, think you’re right. Terry on the staff too?
Money speaks all languages.Can we afford to pay big compensation and wages when we're clearly walking an FFP tightrope, particularly after paying Bruce off?
I think the big move for the future manager will come when we get promoted - the lure of Premiership and a shed load of transfer Wonga would entice many, especially as we are seen as a project club with huge history and potential
So even though I cannot stand the bloke I would offer Alladyce a deal with a huge bonus to get us up - THIS YEAR
No deserving a chance if he does achieve it - a simple one season deal - shit or bust
As much as he is also considered a dinosaur he still uses a lot of modern practices to get the best out of each player - whether that be diet, training or statistics.
In a 2 horse race the FA unanimously chose him over fist face - make of that as you will but he must have got over his football philosophy more than SB did or could.
I think he has a big enough ego to do it
I think the big move for the future manager will come when we get promoted - the lure of Premiership and a shed load of transfer Wonga would entice many, especially as we are seen as a project club with huge history and potential
So even though I cannot stand the bloke I would offer Alladyce a deal with a huge bonus to get us up - THIS YEAR
No deserving a chance if he does achieve it - a simple one season deal - shit or bust
As much as he is also considered a dinosaur he still uses a lot of modern practices to get the best out of each player - whether that be diet, training or statistics.
In a 2 horse race the FA unanimously chose him over fist face - make of that as you will but he must have got over his football philosophy more than SB did or could.
I think he has a big enough ego to do it
I think the big move for the future manager will come when we get promoted - the lure of Premiership and a shed load of transfer Wonga would entice many, especially as we are seen as a project club with huge history and potential
So even though I cannot stand the bloke I would offer Alladyce a deal with a huge bonus to get us up - THIS YEAR
No deserving a chance if he does achieve it - a simple one season deal - shit or bust
As much as he is also considered a dinosaur he still uses a lot of modern practices to get the best out of each player - whether that be diet, training or statistics.
In a 2 horse race the FA unanimously chose him over fist face - make of that as you will but he must have got over his football philosophy more than SB did or could.
I think he has a big enough ego to do it
I am not sure about wanting Rodgers.
He's a great songwriter but I always thought it was Bernard Edwards' bass lines which made Chic so great.
Brendan Rogers was once tactically bamboozled by Tim Sherwood. Not for me thanks!
To be honest, I've never seen the appeal of him. Granted, he had 1 good season at Liverpool, but that was with a team that he'd largely inherited, and he struggled as soon as that started to break-up. He also bought Ballotelli. And cam across as a bit of a wally in that documentary that they did.
I am not sure about wanting Rodgers.
He's a great songwriter but I always thought it was Bernard Edwards' bass lines which made Chic so great.
I think Rodgers may consider it in close season if he was offered a huge deal. I would really be surprised if he would jump ship mid season for a club like ours. I also don't think it's a given that the likes of Wilder & Smith would move mid season.
Priority for the new guy must be that he be a training ground manager. Other than that, I haven't a clue. What about Quique Flores? I remember him as a decent manager at Watford, but can't remember why he was left go.
Priority for the new guy must be that he be a training ground manager. Other than that, I haven't a clue. What about Quique Flores? I remember him as a decent manager at Watford, but can't remember why he was left go.
I think he was touting himself around for other jobs in the Spanish league if I recall correctly.
Gus Poyet is an interesting shout from that list.
Money speaks all languages.
Brendan Rogers was once tactically bamboozled by Tim Sherwood. Not for me thanks!
Still not seen any suggestions better than mine of Helena Christensen as manager with Christy Turlington as Director of Football.
Foreign, attractive, football, that's what everybody seems to want, or Sean Dyche.
Still not seen any suggestions better than mine of Helena Christensen as manager with Christy Turlington as Director of Football.
Foreign, attractive, football, that's what everybody seems to want, or Sean Dyche.
I'd buy a season ticket. I'd go on a journalism course so I could go to press conferences and I'd do photography too.
One of my best remembered commentaries. "Morley, he beats Money too easily, Gary Shaw, Withe, and Villa take the lead!!!!!!!!!Money speaks all languages.
'Dicky Dosh' left Solihull Moors after just 26 days with the club bottom of the league, so however many languages he speaks I don't think Richard Money is the answer to our problems.
Does anybody fancy seeing Claudio Ranieri as Villa's new manager?
Yeah mentioned in the Bruce out thread.cheers
Fair play to the poster last night ( forgot who it was ) but said there were rumours that some background staff were getting the " Spanish archer ".
Fair play to the poster last night ( forgot who it was ) but said there were rumours that some background staff were getting the " Spanish archer ".
He said all the coaching staff! I was wondering why they all bothered turning up at VP last night!
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
So was sacking Redknapp when Spurs had just finished 4th.
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
So was sacking Redknapp when Spurs had just finished 4th.
Yeah, and Blues binning Rowett when they were in the playoffs.
Who's laughing now eh?!
I would sack him for even thinking of bringing James Collins back to Villa.Do we know this to be true or was it journalists speculating?
I would sack him for even thinking of bringing James Collins back to Villa.
Rowett was sacked when he was over performing. Bruce is under performing and it's time for a change."No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
So was sacking Redknapp when Spurs had just finished 4th.
Yeah, and Blues binning Rowett when they were in the playoffs.
Who's laughing now eh?!
"No plans to dismiss Bruce at this stage." according to the Telegraph.
At this stage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
But aye, potting him now when we sit on sixth will look a bit odd to the outside world.
So was sacking Redknapp when Spurs had just finished 4th.
Yeah, and Blues binning Rowett when they were in the playoffs.
Who's laughing now eh?!
I'd prefer and think it makes far more sense to measure ourselves against Spurs than that rabble down the road. The Rags are given far too much importance when in reality they're as important a benchmark as Coventry City.
I would sack him for even thinking of bringing James Collins back to Villa.Do we know this to be true or was it journalists speculating?
Give me a AVB/Terry combo now .
Give me a AVB/Terry combo now .
Didn't they hate each other? Terry largely blamed for undermining AVB.
Fred West with Harold Shipman as assistant.
I would be very tempted to give it Terry. I reckon he would galvanise the place and actually make a fist of it.
With the players we have, even allowing for the CB situation, it would be hard to find any manager that could be doing worse than Bruce this season.
I’d take Terry, if working under an established DoF and supported by a decent coaching team.
Gary Rowett might be available soon without us having to pay any compensation. ;)
I'd be hoping for a good calibre European coach. We seem to only go for two types of manager recently; the absolute newbie, cutting his teeth for the first time, or the dinosaur. Neither is the right option for me.
I couldn't name a name, but would hope for someone who has managed for a decade, had success in building up a club with an ethos we can absorb and continue on with. The personality to carry the weight of expectation at Villa and unite the club. Maybe I'm asking too much. Other clubs seem to manage it from time to time.
I'd be hoping for a good calibre European coach. We seem to only go for two types of manager recently; the absolute newbie, cutting his teeth for the first time, or the dinosaur. Neither is the right option for me.
I couldn't name a name, but would hope for someone who has managed for a decade, had success in building up a club with an ethos we can absorb and continue on with. The personality to carry the weight of expectation at Villa and unite the club. Maybe I'm asking too much. Other clubs seem to manage it from time to time.
I'd be hoping for a good calibre European coach. We seem to only go for two types of manager recently; the absolute newbie, cutting his teeth for the first time, or the dinosaur. Neither is the right option for me.
I couldn't name a name, but would hope for someone who has managed for a decade, had success in building up a club with an ethos we can absorb and continue on with. The personality to carry the weight of expectation at Villa and unite the club. Maybe I'm asking too much. Other clubs seem to manage it from time to time.
I'd be hoping for a good calibre European coach. We seem to only go for two types of manager recently; the absolute newbie, cutting his teeth for the first time, or the dinosaur. Neither is the right option for me.
I couldn't name a name, but would hope for someone who has managed for a decade, had success in building up a club with an ethos we can absorb and continue on with. The personality to carry the weight of expectation at Villa and unite the club. Maybe I'm asking too much. Other clubs seem to manage it from time to time.
100% this. We're Aston Fucking Villa! We shouldn't be a training ground for the likes of Henry or Terry, nor should we be settling for the likes of David Moyes or Sam Allardyce who are just plumping up their retirement pots.
Be ambitious and take a punt on someone with the right ethos, who's proven themselves elsewhere. I appreciate it didn't pan out quite how we wanted it to but weren't we the first top flight English club to appoint a manager from outside the UK & Ireland in Dr Jo?
We've got a squad that any other team in the division would willingly swap us for coupled with the 3rd richest owners in English football. That's a pretty good sell to any manager. Go and get the right guy and lets twat this fucking league!
I rate Rodgers as a manager but he is very smug and I wouldn't want him swanning in with a 'I've managed Liverpool and Celtic and I'm doing Villa a massive favour by being here' attitude.
Rodgers will end up somewhere like West Ham.
I don't see him quitting Celtic for a championship job tbh. He could be a good option whenever we're back in the premier league though.
I rate Rodgers as a manager but he is very smug and I wouldn't want him swanning in with a 'I've managed Liverpool and Celtic and I'm doing Villa a massive favour by being here' attitude.In all honesty though, what is the likelihood of him doing that? He may be smug be he's not a rampant egomaniac. He's not thick either.
Rodgers will end up somewhere like West Ham.
I don't see him quitting Celtic for a championship job tbh. He could be a good option whenever we're back in the premier league though.
Is he still going to be in management when he's in his seventies?
I rate Rodgers as a manager but he is very smug and I wouldn't want him swanning in with a 'I've managed Liverpool and Celtic and I'm doing Villa a massive favour by being here' attitude.
I’ve upgraded from “we should keep him” to “would not be unhappy if he left”. Any more games like yesterday and he becomes undefendable. The only reason I’m not 100% for him going is no obvious replacement.
Rogers - could leave Celtic now and surely realise he can’t take them any further.
Benetez - at a basket case club and not adverse to the championship. Would cost a fortune though.
Terry - think we need experience so not for me. At least he knows the squad. Also it makes you wonder why he turned down Moscow and still has no club
Henry - maybe but still a gamble
Mellberg - heart decision but see above.
I think we will get a foreign manager with the tentative Mendes link. My worry is we panic and get an Allerdyce / Moyes / Pardew / McCarthy.
Anyone know if AVB is a Mendes client?
I think that Mendes fella will be having a big say in future appointments at VillaI think that would be good news. We are currently like wolves were under Lambert. What a transformation for them.
I honestly don't know if that's good or bad but it doesn't seem to have worked out to bad for Wolves atm
I’d have Gary Monk. I really would. He has that lot performing way above their worth. Bruce is the exact opposite.
We have a very simple problem. Who is the very best manager we can recruit. The best, not the quickest, not the easiest, not the biggest Villa fan, the best. Then throw whatever money it takes at that manager and get him. Buying a manager out of the top drawer is peanuts compared with buying a player of the same stature. Our nightmare started when we did not make Martinez an offer he could not refuse.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
How about Dean Smith with John Terry alongside?
Terry would still be able to play and have the close knit relationship with the players. A better solution than chucking Terry straight in as Manager.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
Martin O'Neill.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
Martin O'Neill.
Also Big Ron, Brian and Lambert to some extent.
Fonseca
Rodgers
Garcia
Ferreira
Smith
Any of the above
It wouldn't shock me if it was someone like Fonseca tbh.
Good pedigree abroad at Donestk, apparently speaks English and wants to work in English football, was interviewed for Everton job a while ago so I think Mendes will probably be pushing him forward for owners to consider.
Looks like within the last 18 months the stigma of appointing random foreign managers to the championship is lessening when you think of the impact the likes of Nuno and Bielsa have made.
The German coaches at Norwich and Sheff Weds are starting to get consistant results aswell now.
I would go for Fonesca with outsider being Carlos Carvahal. He seems to be popping up in the media again so looks like he wants another job in England and he has got a team at this level into the play offs twice even if they did spend a lot.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
Martin O'Neill.
I would say Carvahal would be a plan B/C fall back if a top target or two knocks us back e.g. knows this level, got a team into top 6 although of course SB did all this previously.
I know he went down at Swansea but they did have some good results early on in his reign, beat Liverpool and Arsenal in his first few games.
If a new manager can come in the next few weeks and hits the ground running we wouldn't be that far off the top 2. We aren't that far off it now despite a very mediocre season so far.
I would say Carvahal would be a plan B/C fall back if a top target or two knocks us back e.g. knows this level, got a team into top 6 although of course SB did all this previously.
I know he went down at Swansea but they did have some good results early on in his reign, beat Liverpool and Arsenal in his first few games.
If a new manager can come in the next few weeks and hits the ground running we wouldn't be that far off the top 2. We aren't that far off it now despite a very mediocre season so far.
Lambert was not an obvious replacement at all imo.
Six months later Southampton appointed Pochettino for example.
Given the level Fonseca is at the moment i'm not sure he's going to be that attracted to us, especially when there is probably bigger fish looking at him.
Given the level Fonseca is at the moment i'm not sure he's going to be that attracted to us, especially when there is probably bigger fish looking at him.
Lambert was not an obvious replacement at all imo.
Six months later Southampton appointed Pochettino for example.
Who no-one had heard of and they got pelters for sacking Adkins. Lambert and Rodgers were the hot properties that summer.
Given the level Fonseca is at the moment i'm not sure he's going to be that attracted to us, especially when there is probably bigger fish looking at him.
Normally I'd agree but with this possible Mendes link that has been floated I wouldn't rule anything like that out.. Neves to Wolves this time last year was equally as unlikely
I’d like Brendan Rodgers but the trouble is it’s gonna be really hard to persuade a decent manager to quit a job during the season.
Lambert was not an obvious replacement at all imo.
Six months later Southampton appointed Pochettino for example.
Who no-one had heard of and they got pelters for sacking Adkins. Lambert and Rodgers were the hot properties that summer.
Yes but once again under Lerner we restricted our managerial search to purely the British game and didn't scour the continent for decent options.
We did flirt a bit with Solskjaer but as he showed at Cardiff english football management was too early for him so that would've been a mistake aswell.
Lambert was not an obvious replacement at all imo.
Six months later Southampton appointed Pochettino for example.
Who no-one had heard of and they got pelters for sacking Adkins. Lambert and Rodgers were the hot properties that summer.
Yes but once again under Lerner we restricted our managerial search to purely the British game and didn't scour the continent for decent options.
We did flirt a bit with Solskjaer but as he showed at Cardiff english football management was too early for him so that would've been a mistake aswell.
Undoubtedly Southampton made the better appointment but it wasn't the obvious one which was the question I was answering originally.
Don't even know who the obvious appointment would be this time. I've got to the point where I think anyone would be better.
I can't believe Carvalhal has been mentioned. He had two attempts at getting Wednesday up, failed on both occasions and then got Swansea relegated.We want someone to get us up and keep us up and in his three seasons in England he has failed in both. This is also a man who has been sacked by four Portugese clubs in Belenenses, Braga, Beira-Mar and Maritimo and left Sporting Lisbon after finishing fourth in what is essentially a three team league, 28 points behind the title winners.
I’d like Brendan Rodgers but the trouble is it’s gonna be really hard to persuade a decent manager to quit a job during the season.
I think Rodgers is one who could be got mid season. Getting no money whatsoever hence McGinn turning them and European football down for us. Although I fail to see what some Scottish titles have done for his reputation since Liverpool got rid of him.
Benitez is definitely gettable too.
I can't believe Carvalhal has been mentioned. He had two attempts at getting Wednesday up, failed on both occasions and then got Swansea relegated.We want someone to get us up and keep us up and in his three seasons in England he has failed in both. This is also a man who has been sacked by four Portugese clubs in Belenenses, Braga, Beira-Mar and Maritimo and left Sporting Lisbon after finishing fourth in what is essentially a three team league, 28 points behind the title winners.
I doubt he's anyone's first choice. He is available though and he's someone I could see being considered if more high profile targets knock us back.
John Terry, player manager.No thanks
John Terry, player manager.No thanks
detestable twat but I sort of agree - give him a short term gig to try and re-stabilize; at the very least I think he'd get us into the play-offs and I have no faith whatsoever that that will happen if Bruce stays on much longer.
detestable twat but I sort of agree - give him a short term gig to try and re-stabilize; at the very least I think he'd get us into the play-offs and I have no faith whatsoever that that will happen if Bruce stays on much longer.
so exactly the same thing that people said about Bruce apart from the detestable bit
this short term quick fix thinking is why we are where we are
I'd like Gary Monk. Maybe because there's nun other available, but the it could be a bad habit.I know your making a joke, but please let's not suggest that ****** even in jest.
The best available seems to be Conte, so go for him. If Leeds can get Bielsa there's no reason why we shouldn't be ambutious.
John Terry, player manager.
I think Conte will settle for nothing less than a role at a chimps league club
.The best available seems to be Conte, so go for him. If Leeds can get Bielsa there's no reason why we shouldn't be ambutious.
Even if he's waiting a month or two for the Inter Milan job to become available?
Please don't. He's achieved fuck all.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
Martin O'Neill.
Big Ron. Brian Little
There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread. Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century. Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration. Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate. It doesn't. Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed? That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?. It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success. And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us. For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.Completely agree. Well said
People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
Absolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?
Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.
Absolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?
Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.
Sheffield United was his boyhood club a la Dean SmithAbsolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?
Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.
If we were going down that road (ie. successful manager from smaller club in our division) Chris Wilder widdles all over Smith. His managerial record over the past few years is pretty phenomenal.
Please don't. He's achieved fuck all.
Agreed. I don’t get the love in for DS
There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread. Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century. Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration. Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate. It doesn't. Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed? That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?. It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success. And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us. For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
I'd go all out for Rodgers.Now.
There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread. Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century. Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration. Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate. It doesn't. Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed? That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?. It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success. And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us. For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.Completely agree. Well said
Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......
There's a lot of flawed and outdated thinking on this thread. Hiring a manager because of previous links to the club s so 20th century. Just because we loved him as a player Mellberg has done nothing to warrant serious consideration. Smith's credentials are better but some still seem to think the fact he's a Villa fan makes him a better candidate. It doesn't. Of all the successful managers in England, how many of them had any links with the clubs they manage or managed? That kind of thinking is as dinosaur as "must have championship experience", "has got teams promoted before" and "who could we get who is better"?. It doesn't have to be an "obvious choice" either. DoFs, directors, and CEOs worth their salt should have a plan in mind and a database of coaches at hand with an idea of which of them might be a good fit for longer term success. And as for "who would come here" we're Aston Villa, not fucking Wigan, we're still a big name in football and many would be honoured to manage us. For me the only criteria are have they shown they can coach teams to play good and successful football consistently. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
I think this.
Have we ever appointed a manager that had been The Obvious Replacement?
Martin O'Neill.
Big Ron. Brian Little
Weren't they all still employed elsewhere at the time we binned the bloke they then replaced?
The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.
Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.
The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.
Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.
To be fair to Allardyce, Everton were an absolute shambles when he took over and personally I thought they looked bad enough to go down. So he made them solid and dragged them up to an eighth place finish. I think he would be able to get us up this season, keep us up next season and probably take us on a bit higher the following year. But I wouldn't hold my breath for much entertaining football along the way.
The only way Allardyce would be even remotely acceptable for me would be a set of exact circumstances. The club knows exactly the direction it wants long term and has a shortlist of managers to do that but know none of them will be available until the summer. Allardyce is told without a shadow of a doubt he is only here this season, maybe put in a bonus of X million for promotion as an incentive to give it his all. That way he'd, hopefully, be focused on winning games and not be as safety first as he was at Everton as he'll get feck all bonus if he draws his way to 9th with us.
Ideally we'd go straight to the long term option, but if that isn't viable right now then i'd honestly take Allardyce just for this season over another game with Bullshitter Bruce in charge.
To be fair to Allardyce, Everton were an absolute shambles when he took over and personally I thought they looked bad enough to go down. So he made them solid and dragged them up to an eighth place finish. I think he would be able to get us up this season, keep us up next season and probably take us on a bit higher the following year. But I wouldn't hold my breath for much entertaining football along the way.
what is the point of football if it's not entertaining ?
Absolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?
Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.
Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.
I’ve bin t Leeds.Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.
WhooshAbsolutely.Amazing is the word I would use for his achievements at lowly Brentford.People seem to think he's done amazingly to keep little old Brentford afloat. Even though they made the playoffs under Warburton.
They should make the play offs every season then on 8k crowds and selling their best players every season?
Even without results he's a guy who can on the training pitch improve players and also over time create a team with an identity, two things the present incumbent hasn't achieved at all.
Did you ignore the whole "Warburton did better" part of my post, or did if not suit your argument?
Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.
Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......
He's managing Brentford, not Chelsea
I understand the London club thing and it is a factor, but not so much when you're talking about a nothing club like Brentford.
I can get the 110 bus to Leeds ...Dean Smith is lucky that he manages a 'London Club'! Agents can get an overseas player to sign for a club in the capital rather than the other cities. Think about it London or Leeds......I'd choose Leeds without a second's thought.
I like Leeds, but that's some imagination you've got there.
There is much wrong with London, and many reasons not to live here, especially if you're not rich. Championship footballers are rich.
My only reservation is that his team is currently coming 6th in a one horse race.
My only reservation is that his team is currently coming 6th in a one horse race.
My only reservation is that his team is currently coming 6th in a one horse race.
I reckon I could get Celtic to 6th, I'm settled here in the north and the bright lights of Birmingham don't appeal so I'm not interested in the job, I'm hoping to get the Newcastle job when Benitez has had enough.
My only reservation is that his team is currently coming 6th in a one horse race.
I reckon I could get Celtic to 6th, I'm settled here in the north and the bright lights of Birmingham don't appeal so I'm not interested in the job, I'm hoping to get the Newcastle job when Benitez has had enough.
Rodgers isn't highly regarded by Liverpool fans yet I thought he did ok there. I am therefore not that convinced. I always take this sort of thing on board as if you aren't too involved with a club then you don't see the bigger picture. Sunderland fans thought they'd hit the jackpot with O'Neil yet most of us could see the future and warned them. Probably also why Bruce will get a job pretty quickly at A.N.Other mid-table Championship team without too much trouble.
He finished second in the league, which in the best Liverpool have managed in a generation. Some of the comments he made after we signed McGinn made me think he might have got pissed off with the Celtic board and might be gettable.
I’d take Ted Rogers, let alone Brendan, over the clown we have today
If Rodgers could be available (I don't think he will be) then he's probably as good a move as we could make at this point. With some cash to spend if we did go up he would probably keep us up as well. To be honest right now I'm almost in the ABB camp - anyone but Bruce.
Beachball?He finished second in the league, which in the best Liverpool have managed in a generation. Some of the comments he made after we signed McGinn made me think he might have got pissed off with the Celtic board and might be gettable.
he would have won it if it was not for a banana
In three years at Liverpool Rodgers finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and got to two losing semi finals, one in each domestic cup. That isn't the sort of three year record that buys you more time at a top Premier League club like Liverpool.
More seriously - Ralph Hasenhuttl is a name we ought look at
The Plymouth Herald says that Andrea Stramaccioni is being considered. I am sure they have a hot line to events in B6 so I convinced. I now just need to figure out who he is.
The Plymouth Herald says that Andrea Stramaccioni is being considered. I am sure they have a hot line to events in B6 so I convinced. I now just need to figure out who he is.
I think he was at Inter a Roma, I remember his name coming up before so I checked who he was, has a decent reputation from what i remember.
Houllier was manager of the France U20 side when he joined Liverpool, I forgot Benitez I must admit. And I never said that but claiming they get the cream of managerial talent whenever things go wrong is incorrect as including Benitez they've done it twice in nearly 60 years.
Don't forget the Peace Cup.
Don't forget the Peace Cup.
Again, I never said we would be competing now. However we have in the past which is the time frame you were using from a few years ago. There were 2 next big things in management in 2012, they signed one and we signed the other. Klopp onwards it's a different ballgame as we had an idiot with a shortlist of one, and it's that kind of thinking that has led to where we are now.
That over the last decade they've won the same number of trophies as small heath shows, to me at least, that they haven't exactly excelled when it comes to managerial choices.
to be better than Bruce is not going to be hard, but I wouldn't want Rogers
always comes over as a bit of a twat and bullshitter I think,
I know that's not a good enough reason but it's good enough for me
Again, I never said we would be competing now. However we have in the past which is the time frame you were using from a few years ago. There were 2 next big things in management in 2012, they signed one and we signed the other. Klopp onwards it's a different ballgame as we had an idiot with a shortlist of one, and it's that kind of thinking that has led to where we are now.
That over the last decade they've won the same number of trophies as small heath shows, to me at least, that they haven't exactly excelled when it comes to managerial choices.
Fair enough I guess, but we got the one they didn't want, and we've not been on the same level as them in my lifetime, and I'm 40. See Barry, G. for evidence.
Again, I never said we would be competing now. However we have in the past which is the time frame you were using from a few years ago. There were 2 next big things in management in 2012, they signed one and we signed the other. Klopp onwards it's a different ballgame as we had an idiot with a shortlist of one, and it's that kind of thinking that has led to where we are now.
That over the last decade they've won the same number of trophies as small heath shows, to me at least, that they haven't exactly excelled when it comes to managerial choices.
Fair enough I guess, but we got the one they didn't want, and we've not been on the same level as them in my lifetime, and I'm 40. See Barry, G. for evidence.
Edit: they've signed Suarez, Torres, Salah, Firmino, and Keita during the same spell that we signed McCormack, Hogan, Snodgrass (loan), Joe Cole and Onomah (loan).
But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
The Plymouth Herald says that Andrea Stramaccioni is being considered. I am sure they have a hot line to events in B6 so I convinced. I now just need to figure out who he is.
I think he was at Inter a Roma, I remember his name coming up before so I checked who he was, has a decent reputation from what i remember.
Not according to this write up
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/05/29/do-hes-a-complete-failure-aston-villa-fans-stunned-by-andrea-str/
Pretty much any PL side can get a top notch manager now if they wanted to such is the wages they could pay if they chose to. My point was though that using Liverpool as an example doesn't work that well as they've taken the managers of Fulham and Swansea recently so it's not like they were operating on a completely different level to us at the time. Sadly even fecking Bournemouth probably are at present.
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
to be better than Bruce is not going to be hard, but I wouldn't want Rogers
always comes over as a bit of a twat and bullshitter I think,
I know that's not a good enough reason but it's good enough for me
Amusingly he plays exactly the type of football you're constantly demanding.
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
Nice work, Tom. Go get him!The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
First question - probably this guy:
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
Second question - probably already has!!
I’d take Ted Rogers, let alone Brendan, over the clown we have today
Good shout. He did very well with his groundbreaking 3-2-1 formation back in the day.
In three years at Liverpool Rodgers finished 7th, 2nd and 6th and got to two losing semi finals, one in each domestic cup. That isn't the sort of three year record that buys you more time at a top Premier League club like Liverpool.
8th, 4th and 4th has been enough for Klopp.
I’d take Ted Rogers, let alone Brendan, over the clown we have today
Good shout. He did very well with his groundbreaking 3-2-1 formation back in the day.
If his team talks were as confusing as his prize clues I would rather stick with Steve Bruce. Although it says something about how much people want Bruce replaced when our shortlist includes dead people.
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
First question - probably this guy:
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
Second question - probably already has!!
Just please not the likes of Allardyce, Pardew, Curbishley (whose name always seems to come up in the betting) and others like them. I couldn't bear that.
Just please not the likes of Allardyce, Pardew, Curbishley (whose name always seems to come up in the betting) and others like them. I couldn't bear that.
I know, it's torturous to see clubs like Watford appoint people like Marco Silva while we seem to be stuck leafing through the Least Inspiring Managers Of 2005 catalogue.
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
First question - probably this guy:
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
Second question - probably already has!!
Fuck me can we have him now please - I mean today in readiness for Friday
What a refreshing outlook on football
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
First question - probably this guy:
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
Second question - probably already has!!
Fuck me can we have him now please - I mean today in readiness for Friday
What a refreshing outlook on football
and it another Yes from me
The questions that arise from this are: who is the next Klopp, and could we lure him before they rise above our ability to attract them?But they're Liverpool. If we wanted Fulham's or Swansea's manager at the same time they did (which was, I believe, the case when they/we wanted Rodgers from Swansea) we're not going to prevail.
Even so we were, in fact, shopping in the same market as Liverpool at the time, whereas you said we weren't and couldn't. Admittedly we'd be highly unlikely to attract the calibre of Klopp, especially given the contrasting trajectories of the two clubs since 2012, but just because Rodgers managed Liverpool doesn't make him anything particularly special and certainly not out of our league.
First question - probably this guy:
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
Second question - probably already has!!
Fuck me can we have him now please - I mean today in readiness for Friday
What a refreshing outlook on football
The new Klopp was Tomas Tuchel when he was at Mainz. He’s ended up at PSG, so obviously in a diffenret universe to,the one we operate in now. But if only we hadn’t be so blinkered with the old “PL experience a must” pre-requisite eh.
The new Klopp was Tomas Tuchel when he was at Mainz. He’s ended up at PSG, so obviously in a diffenret universe to,the one we operate in now. But if only we hadn’t be so blinkered with the old “PL experience a must” pre-requisite eh.
The new Klopp was Tomas Tuchel when he was at Mainz. He’s ended up at PSG, so obviously in a diffenret universe to,the one we operate in now. But if only we hadn’t be so blinkered with the old “PL experience a must” pre-requisite eh.
Yep. Equally we might have appointed Solskear, Magath, Garde, Mel, Meulensteen, Zenga, Zola, De Boer.....
I agree with the sentiments, but it is easier to get it wrong than right.
Football Association's technical director Dan Ashworth, 47, is in talks over an equivalent role at Brighton. (The Guardian)
Shame we are not after him. I suspect he'd choose a meat and potatoes type manager that's gone through St Georges. I'd settle for him and Southgate though, admittedly zero chance now.
Sacked by Derby. Relegated last season.
Nah, you're alright thanks.
Sacked by Derby. Relegated last season.
Nah, you're alright thanks.
you could probably say negative things about any manager
Burton getting into the championship was in itself was a massive overacheivement
or are you one of these who just trots out stats but knows absolutely fuck all about football, there's a few about
Sacked by Derby. Relegated last season.
Nah, you're alright thanks.
you could probably say negative things about any manager
Burton getting into the championship was in itself was a massive overacheivement
or are you one of these who just trots out stats but knows absolutely fuck all about football, there's a few about
Why the aggro, old pal? He did well to get them into the Championship, then didn't do quite so well as they got relegated again. And the one time he tried his luck at a bigger team, he failed. He would be a sub-Graham Turner appointment.
We should go for someone amazing. He doesn't fit the bill.
Clough Junior just did another job this time on a premiership team
we never got his dad but i wouldn't be against his Son
meets my two criteria of
1- builds decent teams
2- plays good football
he wouldn't be my first choice but i'd probably take him over Terry or Henry
Clough Junior just did another job this time on a premiership team
we never got his dad but i wouldn't be against his Son
meets my two criteria of
1- builds decent teams
2- plays good football
he wouldn't be my first choice but i'd probably take him over Terry or Henry
I thought Nigel Clough was a pretty decent footballer and you can see how he likes to get his teams to play but I think managing us would be too big a step up. It's a no from me.
Clough Junior just did another job this time on a premiership team
we never got his dad but i wouldn't be against his Son
meets my two criteria of
1- builds decent teams
2- plays good football
he wouldn't be my first choice but i'd probably take him over Terry or Henry
Nah been about far too long without any run of success & a crack at bigger club, Sheff Utd is about his level.
Personally, whoever is Villa manager - they get a contract to Summer 2019. You get the club promoted, or you're gone. If the club goes up, then we'll talk about a longer contract (maybe 2 years, with a defined goal at the end of that period - maybe reasonable mid-table position, with a squad capable of improving with investment).
Personally, whoever is Villa manager - they get a contract to Summer 2019. You get the club promoted, or you're gone. If the club goes up, then we'll talk about a longer contract (maybe 2 years, with a defined goal at the end of that period - maybe reasonable mid-table position, with a squad capable of improving with investment).
The manager should be picked with the current players in mind, and where the squad needs to be in a couple of years. With that in mind, I'd be completely fine with Allardyce taking on the team right now. He'd probably get the players we have playing reasonably well, and given an instruction to bring in players so that someone like a Dean Smith (who IMO is the wrong manager for Villa right now, we're not in the right place squad-wise) or a 'continental' type to come in and be able to work with the squad they've been given and improve it. I'm sure half the reason the Remi Garde appointment didn't work out was because he was the right man, but at completely the wrong time. That shouldn't happen again.
So, for me - Allardyce for the rest of this season, and potentially another 2 if he gets the club promoted. Then part on good terms, and replace him with someone who's capable of pushing the club forwards.
why do people who've been watching mind numbing shite for years under a series of crap British managers want to watch a bit more
what's wrong with people
why do people who've been watching mind numbing shite for years under a series of crap British managers want to watch a bit more
what's wrong with people
Personally, whoever is Villa manager - they get a contract to Summer 2019. You get the club promoted, or you're gone. If the club goes up, then we'll talk about a longer contract (maybe 2 years, with a defined goal at the end of that period - maybe reasonable mid-table position, with a squad capable of improving with investment).
No manager who is not desperate would go for those terms.
Klinsmann is out of work, although he's probably in his Speedos in California.
Another reason to get Saviour Sam in, he does great stunt aeroplane impressions.
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The Sheffield Wednesday manager at the moment seems to have a team playing some excellent football.
Fuck knows who he is, but he his a million times better than what we have now.
And very shortThe Sheffield Wednesday manager at the moment seems to have a team playing some excellent football.
Fuck knows who he is, but he his a million times better than what we have now.
Cool moustache as well.
Tin hat on, I'd take allardyce right now.
Allardyce is available and is and always has been a better manager than Bruce. Only a suggestion as I feel desperate.
Allardyce is available and is and always has been a better manager than Bruce. Only a suggestion as I feel desperate.Been there done that etc etc .......
First thing they just need to fuck him off, put a fucking traffic cone on the bench instead.I don't think he'll be able to cope with the demands of managing a big club like the Villa.It'll be another Graham Turner appointment.Let's wait till we have a Traffic Analyser in place.
First thing they just need to fuck him off, put a fucking traffic cone on the bench instead.
First thing they just need to fuck him off, put a fucking traffic cone on the bench instead.
I'd prefer a foreign influence, he'd need an assistant like Bibz?
Nangelsman? This year's Tuchel eh?
Fonseca also completely unrealistic
Someone a few weeks ago was suggesting people get cash on Fonseca. Isn't he a client of Mendes?
First thing they just need to fuck him off, put a fucking traffic cone on the bench instead.
I'd prefer a foreign influence, he'd need an assistant like Bibz?
Antonio Coneti is out of work.
For the inexperienced rookie, I would go for Mikel Arteta.
We offer an opportunity to build a club though. Yes, we're in the second tier now, but the money is there to change that rapidly. Ambition doesn't have to mean walking straight into a Champions League job. Our situation is a fantastic opportunity for someone bright and ambitious enough to take it on.
We offer an opportunity to build a club though. Yes, we're in the second tier now, but the money is there to change that rapidly. Ambition doesn't have to mean walking straight into a Champions League job. Our situation is a fantastic opportunity for someone bright and ambitious enough to take it on.
What like Remi Garde?
We offer an opportunity to build a club though. Yes, we're in the second tier now, but the money is there to change that rapidly. Ambition doesn't have to mean walking straight into a Champions League job. Our situation is a fantastic opportunity for someone bright and ambitious enough to take it on.
What like Remi Garde?
Not now, I think we broke him. But someone of that ilk now would be walking into a much healthier club than he did.
For the inexperienced rookie, I would go for Mikel Arteta.
We offer an opportunity to build a club though. Yes, we're in the second tier now, but the money is there to change that rapidly. Ambition doesn't have to mean walking straight into a Champions League job. Our situation is a fantastic opportunity for someone bright and ambitious enough to take it on.
What like Remi Garde?
Not now, I think we broke him. But someone of that ilk now would be walking into a much healthier club than he did.
Unfortunately he was the perfect choice at the wrong time.
He would have been perfect for this season, or even last.
I stepped down coaching Bridport U14 and U16 last season, so am available. The bloke in front of me last night seemed to know what he was talking about. I'm sure he would be my assistant. Sorted.
We offer an opportunity to build a club though. Yes, we're in the second tier now, but the money is there to change that rapidly. Ambition doesn't have to mean walking straight into a Champions League job. Our situation is a fantastic opportunity for someone bright and ambitious enough to take it on.
What like Remi Garde?
Not now, I think we broke him. But someone of that ilk now would be walking into a much healthier club than he did.
Unfortunately he was the perfect choice at the wrong time.
He would have been perfect for this season, or even last.
I know some on here would agree, but I genuinely don't get the Garde appreciation.
I've started managing an U13 this season and thus far we are 3 and 0. Scoring 5 in each game. More than happy to help outI stepped down coaching Bridport U14 and U16 last season, so am available. The bloke in front of me last night seemed to know what he was talking about. I'm sure he would be my assistant. Sorted.
I was coach of the St Austin's under 11s in season 1977/78 when we won every match including the Wakefield Metropolitan District Cup.
I'm willing to help. Expenses only so that'll help ffp a bit.
no one is advocating Sam as the long-term answer - it would be a short term expediency for the rest of the season with a big fat bonus for promotion. And no payoff.But why do we not want a long term answer now? I don't want Sam or anyone else like him anywhere near our football club,
Will people please stop thinking we need a manager in the same elk as Fat Sam. Why do we? Have we not bloody learned anything? We have a squad with some very good players, probably the most attacking team in the league. Wolves showed last season you do not need a dinosaur from the English league to get out this horrible league.
When we actually pass it around quickly with intent we’re good ffs.
If the answer is Fat Sam, what the blazing fuck is the question?
If the answer is Fat Sam, what the blazing fuck is the question?
If the answer is Fat Sam, what the blazing fuck is the question?
If the answer is Fat Sam, what the blazing fuck is the question?
Appointing Allardyce would represent a lack of understanding of the position we're in, a lack of understanding of what we need, a failure of imagination, a regressive instead of progressive choice, and short-termism over long-termism.This.
Not that I think they'll do it.
Rui Faria?
Recently left Man U. Wants to become a first team coach. Mourinho is a Mendes client I believe. Knows the English game although not the championship
Don't think hes gone elsewhere
Whoever it is will need to have skin like a rhino and a magic wand
this is Villa - we don't do left field and exotic. Pot Bruce and expect another currently out of work British manager.
Whoever it is will need to have skin like a rhino and a magic wand
Half a brain would be an improvement.
Rowett will be available Monday morning by the looks of things....
O.K maybe not.
I don't care whether he's a Villa fan or not. I care about his ability to cope with the job and I don't think he could.
The thing that seems to weigh against Smith seems to be a worry that the scouting system behind him is the real power behind the throne at Brentford - if that's the case, couldn't we nick the whole lot, Smith included?
The thing that seems to weigh against Smith seems to be a worry that the scouting system behind him is the real power behind the throne at Brentford - if that's the case, couldn't we nick the whole lot, Smith included?
I don't care whether he's a Villa fan or not. I care about his ability to cope with the job and I don't think he could.
also a big worry for me. i think we need someone who's already managed a club with the same expectation levels as ours
i do think it's a huge weight on anyone's shoulders and you need to be a special sort of person to be able to handle it
Howe was terrible at Burnley. Sometimes a manager suits a club.
I think you’re right.Howe was terrible at Burnley. Sometimes a manager suits a club.
I may be wrong but I think I once read that he had some personal issues while at Burnley which made it hard for him to settle - something along the lines of an illness or death in his family, who were all still back on the south coast. He'd barely have been in his mid thirties at the time.
Howe would always be my choice. Chance to manage a potential top 4 side and he's not gonna get that chance from any of them in the Premiership. Won't come mid-season though, and would take a lot persuading to in the summer
Howe would always be my choice. Chance to manage a potential top 4 side and he's not gonna get that chance from any of them in the Premiership. Won't come mid-season though, and would take a lot persuading to in the summer
Sorry, who is the potential top 4 side?! Us?!
Howe would always be my choice. Chance to manage a potential top 4 side and he's not gonna get that chance from any of them in the Premiership. Won't come mid-season though, and would take a lot persuading to in the summer
Sorry, who is the potential top 4 side?! Us?!
If fucking spurs can crash that party, then we can too.
We need to get back in the premier league before we can even ask him the question.
Everton and West Ham jobs will both come up again in next two years most likely. Both spend 100m + each summer now and they'll likely finish in the top 10 so if Eddie Howe is looking for step up I'd say those two would be much more attractive than us.
Eddie Howe is not going to resign and come to a championship club
He just isn't
The need for a boss who has managed a similar club to us means a choice of Big Sam or Rodgers.I can't see Rafa jumping ship just yet or coming to us.I don't care whether he's a Villa fan or not. I care about his ability to cope with the job and I don't think he could.
also a big worry for me. i think we need someone who's already managed a club with the same expectation levels as ours
i do think it's a huge weight on anyone's shoulders and you need to be a special sort of person to be able to handle it
I think he's a good manager and would get the team playing well and winning lots of games. Are we saying that we wouldn't like Howe from Bournemouth either then?
Howe would always be my choice. Chance to manage a potential top 4 side and he's not gonna get that chance from any of them in the Premiership. Won't come mid-season though, and would take a lot persuading to in the summer
Sorry, who is the potential top 4 side?! Us?!
Eddie Howe is not going to resign and come to a championship club
He just isn't
Lucky you weren't in charge of choosing the new manager in 1987.
Eddie Howe is not going to resign and come to a championship club
He just isn't
Lucky you weren't in charge of choosing the new manager in 1987.
The person that was wanted Dave Bassett.
Eddie Howe is not going to resign and come to a championship club
He just isn't
Lucky you weren't in charge of choosing the new manager in 1987.
Howe is in a dead-end. However well he does, he's never going to make Bournemouth into a Top4 side, so he can either hang around bucking the odds in the hope he gets offered the England job in a few years or he will need to move on because the job at a Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea etc.. is never going to be offered. That means realistically a downwards move to a club with more long-term potential with owners and the income streams to challenge at least the likes of the best of the rest. We are one of those teams - still. As i've said earlier, it would have to be sold to him as a long term project rather than a job, but however crap we are now, there is no doubt once in the premiership everything changes- we should be financially better able to compete than 60% of the PL clubs straight away. I'm sure Howe knows that so it all depends on if we can convince him we're the right fallen giant to take a chance on. Anyway, as others have said, he wouldn't come mid-season so pie in the sky really at the present time.
Howe is in a dead-end. However well he does, he's never going to make Bournemouth into a Top4 side, so he can either hang around bucking the odds in the hope he gets offered the England job in a few years or he will need to move on because the job at a Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea etc.. is never going to be offered. That means realistically a downwards move to a club with more long-term potential with owners and the income streams to challenge at least the likes of the best of the rest. We are one of those teams - still. As i've said earlier, it would have to be sold to him as a long term project rather than a job, but however crap we are now, there is no doubt once in the premiership everything changes- we should be financially better able to compete than 60% of the PL clubs straight away. I'm sure Howe knows that so it all depends on if we can convince him we're the right fallen giant to take a chance on. Anyway, as others have said, he wouldn't come mid-season so pie in the sky really at the present time.
Maybe if he hadn't had a crack a Burnley, he might be tempted to come to somewhere like us but I think he'll be at Bournemouth for a while yet. He seems settled there.
Ranieri has had about one success in his last half dozen jobs. It might work, but the odds would be against.
Modern progressive coach
+
Big club experience preferably as manager
+
Prepared to come to second tier club
I reckon if you applied that filter you'd have a pretty small field. I can't immediately think of a single candidate tbh
Two is still "about one". 😊
Two is still "about one". 😊
Well I laughed.
Id take Raineri/Terry at this rate.
Get us up Claudio , use Terry to sort the dressing room out and the defence and then after a year in the prem , pass it on to Terry.
Wont cost us nothing , he has managed big clubs and experience and terry is the younger modern guy who gets respect from the players.
Please , just get thereabouts out of our club.
Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
You should be banned for suggesting Paul Ince. Good grief
Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.Paul Ince HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
I am sure I read Terry about to take U23 team at Chelsea which to be honest would be ideal for him.
Bournemouth up to 7th and dreaming of europe. Why on earth would Eddie Howe walk away from that?
I am sure I read Terry about to take U23 team at Chelsea which to be honest would be ideal for him.
Yeah similar path to the one Gerrard took, get experience leading and managing a team where results aren't everything and after 12-18 months start to look for a senior team.
In fairness, Paul Ince as Villa manager isn't the worst idea ever.
It's second worst behind whoever thought that McLeish was a good idea.
Bournemouth up to 7th and dreaming of europe. Why on earth would Eddie Howe walk away from that?
Modern progressive coach
+
Big club experience preferably as manager
+
Prepared to come to second tier club
I reckon if you applied that filter you'd have a pretty small field. I can't immediately think of a single candidate tbh
ftp://Modern progressive coach
+
Big club experience preferably as manager
+
Prepared to come to second tier club
I reckon if you applied that filter you'd have a pretty small field. I can't immediately think of a single candidate tbh
Japp Stam ticks boxes .
What do you think ?
Its interesting how many people moan about Bruce being cautious and negative then but think that Smith ( who plays attractive passing type of football) will be overwhelmed by the job then follow up with not wanting Allardyce etc( neither do).
we got to get this we are a big club anyone would want to manage us crap out of our heads, we are a championship club its not a blip we are into our 3rd season and if changes aren't made a 4th will soon follow.
I have no idea who will replace Bruce but for god sake lets go for someone hungry passionate not the same old merry go round
Concerning that one of the names linked with the sporting director post left Valencia because, according to a club source, he bought a load of fucking shit players. Brilliant. Only Villa.
Concerning that one of the names linked with the sporting director post left Valencia because, according to a club source, he bought a load of fucking shit players. Brilliant. Only Villa.
Rumours of Jesus Garcia have been dismissed
Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
Chris Hutchins would jump at the chance.Wenger/Henry would fit that remit as well.
As a leftfield choice I think Paul Ince has unfinished business in football management & would be a great appointment.
You're not fucking serious right?
Seeing the broad spectrum of suggestions on this thread highlights just what a thankless task appointing a new manager is. Whoever gets the job will be welcomed by some and faced with indifference/disappointment by others.
Personally, I am past caring and have been for some time. My attitude has been that anyone is better than Bruce and I would have happily taken Henry in the Summer as I doubt very much whether we'd be any worse than we are now, position wise and the football would have been more bareable. Others disagree but if we are going to be mid table, I would at least prefer watching something that resembled a plan. We are no further forward with Bruce today than we were on the day he walked through the door.
I always refer back to the appointment of Ron Saunders and how underwhelmed I felt after all of the Brian Clough speculation. With this in mind, I'm prepared to give any new manager a chance, regardless of his "standing" in managerial circles.
Jaap Stam?
Jesus no
Quique Sánches Flores
Quique Sánches Flores
Si
Sort out the plan first and then appoint a manager who best fits. Clearly, promotion is the aim but what state we would be in when we get there is equally important.Such is the financial gap between the 2 leagues that promotion asap is essential.
Anyone mentioned Wagner recently? Might be available soon....
Sort out the plan first and then appoint a manager who best fits. Clearly, promotion is the aim but what state we would be in when we get there is equally important.
He's currently playing a style of football that would have people on here having kittens.Anyone mentioned Wagner recently? Might be available soon....
There's too much love and respect between Huddersfield and Wagner for them to sack him.
Maybe we're bringing in a new Director and he gets to bring in his manager/coach, hence the delay in Bruce going.
Maybe we're bringing in a new Director and he gets to bring in his manager/coach, hence the delay in Bruce going.
very possible. No point hiring someone who is hopefully modern and progressive and then handcuffing him to this fucking Neanderthal*
*my apologies to any Neanderthal's out there who I might have offended by suggesting Steve Bruce is one of you. It's very possible he is more primitive.
Maybe we're bringing in a new Director and he gets to bring in his manager/coach, hence the delay in Bruce going.I agree.
The first job of any new director of football is to identity what type of football Bruce is trying to impose or if it is actually football at all.Maybe we're bringing in a new Director and he gets to bring in his manager/coach, hence the delay in Bruce going.
very possible. No point hiring someone who is hopefully modern and progressive and then handcuffing him to this fucking Neanderthal*
*my apologies to any Neanderthal's out there who I might have offended by suggesting Steve Bruce is one of you. It's very possible he is more primitive.
ugh ,apology accepted unga munga
Huddersfield play desperately poor football.
Huddersfield play desperately poor football.
They don't really play football at all, they just set out to stop their opponents playing it. I understand why they do it, it's got them where they are, but it is bloody awful to watch.
Huddersfield play desperately poor football.
They don't really play football at all, they just set out to stop their opponents playing it. I understand why they do it, it's got them where they are, but it is bloody awful to watch.
Huddersfield play desperately poor football.
They don't really play football at all, they just set out to stop their opponents playing it. I understand why they do it, it's got them where they are, but it is bloody awful to watch.
Fair comment.
One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
Fwiw, I share your sentiments. I don't care who, I just want a bit of all-round flair back in the Villa bit of my life.
One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
Fwiw, I share your sentiments. I don't care who, I just want a bit of all-round flair back in the Villa bit of my life.
Yeah I nearly crashed the car when I heard McCarthy’s name mentioned.
One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
Fwiw, I share your sentiments. I don't care who, I just want a bit of all-round flair back in the Villa bit of my life.
Yeah I nearly crashed the car when I heard McCarthy’s name mentioned.
Heard that too.
I was just getting over it when someone else phoned in and said lets get Big Sam!
FFS
Sanchez Flores
Brendan Rodgers
Dean Smith
I’d even go for broke and take a punt on Henry
One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
Fwiw, I share your sentiments. I don't care who, I just want a bit of all-round flair back in the Villa bit of my life.
Yeah I nearly crashed the car when I heard McCarthy’s name mentioned.
Lets hope that Mendes is on the blower as we speak.... I can't for one minute imagine that they haven't sounded a few out already.
Sanchez Flores
Brendan Rodgers
Dean Smith
I’d even go for broke and take a punt on Henry
I'm in Glasgow this weekend. I'll share a taxi back with Brendan Rodgers.
Ha me too! And the guy after wanted Allardyce.One for you, s_h; bloke on WM earlier wants Mccarthy.
Fwiw, I share your sentiments. I don't care who, I just want a bit of all-round flair back in the Villa bit of my life.
Yeah I nearly crashed the car when I heard McCarthy’s name mentioned.
Yes same here I really wanted to punch that man. Apparently it’s the players Bruce can’t sort out and our Mick will.🙄
Since Geoffrey has died, Bungle, Zippy and George are all at loose ends. I’d take any of them!
Old boys network no. Someone like Dean Smith for me. I can't imagine we have the finances due to FFP for a so called big name, and every time I see Brentford play whether that be the 90 minutes they outplay us twice each season or highlights from other games I think yeah I fancy a bit of that. I see a pattern and style of play that is good on the eye, and progressive on a minimal budget.
Sure he hasn't managed a so called big club, but we seem do have exhausted that particular route and come up short with predictable appointments that just get us no-where.
If not Dean Smith, then an attack minded manager please. I'm fed up of trying to win games one flaming nil.
Sanchez Flores
Brendan Rodgers
Dean Smith
I’d even go for broke and take a punt on Henry
Old boys network no. Someone like Dean Smith for me. I can't imagine we have the finances due to FFP for a so called big name, and every time I see Brentford play whether that be the 90 minutes they outplay us twice each season or highlights from other games I think yeah I fancy a bit of that. I see a pattern and style of play that is good on the eye, and progressive on a minimal budget.Not Dean Smith for me...luckyish to get a point last night v SHA...there are too many results like that for me to even wish to consider him.
Sure he hasn't managed a so called big club, but we seem do have exhausted that particular route and come up short with predictable appointments that just get us no-where.
If not Dean Smith, then an attack minded manager please. I'm fed up of trying to win games one flaming nil.
Maybe Wes Edens might look to the ex USA coach Jurgen Klinsmann?
Marcos Rose (https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/marco-rose-line-become-next-bundesligas-great-manager/) is certainly worth a look at.
Oh and a fantastic read on his assistant Maric (http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-europa-league/0/blog/post/3472683/fc-salzburg-europa-league-run-and-progress-owes-much-to-rene-maric-and-marco-rose). A trillion light years ahead of our current bunch of chancers.
Interesting the Brentford were also consulting Maric (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/19/chatroom-bootroom-rene-maric-modern-coach-salzburg).
If we're going to build something new, why not aim for the best.
Marcos Rose (https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/marco-rose-line-become-next-bundesligas-great-manager/) is certainly worth a look at.
Oh and a fantastic read on his assistant Maric (http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-europa-league/0/blog/post/3472683/fc-salzburg-europa-league-run-and-progress-owes-much-to-rene-maric-and-marco-rose). A trillion light years ahead of our current bunch of chancers.
Interesting the Brentford were also consulting Maric (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/19/chatroom-bootroom-rene-maric-modern-coach-salzburg).
If we're going to build something new, why not aim for the best.
Please get him in now - I actually got a twitch in my loins reading some of the tactics analysis - not a "up and at em" or "Roll our sleeves up" to be seen
Marcos Rose (https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/marco-rose-line-become-next-bundesligas-great-manager/) is certainly worth a look at.
Oh and a fantastic read on his assistant Maric (http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-europa-league/0/blog/post/3472683/fc-salzburg-europa-league-run-and-progress-owes-much-to-rene-maric-and-marco-rose). A trillion light years ahead of our current bunch of chancers.
Interesting the Brentford were also consulting Maric (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/19/chatroom-bootroom-rene-maric-modern-coach-salzburg).
If we're going to build something new, why not aim for the best.
Please get him in now - I actually got a twitch in my loins reading some of the tactics analysis - not a "up and at em" or "Roll our sleeves up" to be seen
Agreed.
I remember reading about Sarri when he first got the Napoli job and how he used to fly a drone above the players in training in order to gain insight into formation /gaps / movement of individual players etc.
That attention to detail is what we need.
Some fan on TalkShite has just said "Big Sam would be ideal"
Obviously in response to them putting his name forward as the 1st option
Marcos Rose (https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/marco-rose-line-become-next-bundesligas-great-manager/) is certainly worth a look at.
Oh and a fantastic read on his assistant Maric (http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-europa-league/0/blog/post/3472683/fc-salzburg-europa-league-run-and-progress-owes-much-to-rene-maric-and-marco-rose). A trillion light years ahead of our current bunch of chancers.
Interesting the Brentford were also consulting Maric (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/19/chatroom-bootroom-rene-maric-modern-coach-salzburg).
If we're going to build something new, why not aim for the best.
Some fan on TalkShite has just said "Big Sam would be ideal"
Obviously in response to them putting his name forward as the 1st option
Some fan on TalkShite has just said "Big Sam would be ideal"
Obviously in response to them putting his name forward as the 1st option
A manager that sets his team up to play on the front foot (particularly at VP). Who wants to build from the back, with quick possession-based football. When out of possession, we press the opposition high up the pitch. Surely for once, we can get the right man?
Zidane would do for me
Zidane or Glenn Hoddle
Zidane or Glenn Hoddle
You are obviously having a laff!
can someone with nothing better to do and knows stuff post the managers who are Mendes clients please
i might have a flutter
can someone with nothing better to do and knows stuff post the managers who are Mendes clients pleaseNo surprise all portugese 2 managers running small clubs in Portugal top tier
i might have a flutter
ftp://can someone with nothing better to do and knows stuff post the managers who are Mendes clients pleaseNo surprise all portugese 2 managers running small clubs in Portugal top tier
i might have a flutter
Nuno Capucho he's 46 manger of Varzim contract to 2019
Or
Costinha hes 43 manager of CD Nacional and he's contracted til 2019
Then we have
Paulo Fonseca he's 45 running Shakhtar Donetsk. Managing in champions league 2-2 yesterday .
The other 2 are Mourinho and Nuno .
can someone with nothing better to do and knows stuff post the managers who are Mendes clients please
i might have a flutter
Mourinho, Nuno, Fonseca you already know. Only 2 others, Costinha and Cachupa, neither good enough.
My guess is Rodgers, not that I really want him but seems the safe choice. It would help if we knew who the new Sports Director is going to be.
ftp://can someone with nothing better to do and knows stuff post the managers who are Mendes clients pleaseNo surprise all portugese 2 managers running small clubs in Portugal top tier
i might have a flutter
Nuno Capucho he's 46 manger of Varzim contract to 2019
Or
Costinha hes 43 manager of CD Nacional and he's contracted til 2019
Then we have
Paulo Fonseca he's 45 running Shakhtar Donetsk. Managing in champions league 2-2 yesterday .
The other 2 are Mourinho and Nuno .
thanks footy
didn't he consult with soothsayers and behave abominably towards differently abled people? Hoddle, that is.
Rui Faria must be a big shout?
Rui Faria must be a big shout?
I'd imagine he's a Mendes client. He's also a bit mad. He'd have probably run on the pitch last night and taken the penalty himself, such is his will to win.
please please someone with a fresh approach and a bit of football worth a watch
Someone who can turn the draws into wins.
please please someone with a fresh approach and a bit of football worth a watch
Big Fat Sam's claret and blue army!
Just looked at next manager odds....oh crikey
Rui Faria must be a big shout?
I'd imagine he's a Mendes client. He's also a bit mad. He'd have probably run on the pitch last night and taken the penalty himself, such is his will to win.
Whats the deal with Henry, great player (and cheat) but what does he know about the championship?
And yes i get the irony of us just sacking the "4 times promoted championship specialist ;)
How about Gary Monk - did well with Swansea and it would piss the bluenoses off too!
With the exception of the puacity of centre backs, I'd relish working with that squad.
ome geezer on twitter said weeks ago to get money on Fonseca.
Chuffed to bits with the news today.
Just wait until we announce Alan Pardew.
(The announcement of TSM still haunts me).
Chuffed to bits with the news today.
Just wait until we announce Alan Pardew.
(The announcement of TSM still haunts me).
The slow journey from rumour and disbelief to confirmation and even bigger disbelief that day that was played out live before our eyes on here is my number one H&V memory.
Chuffed to bits with the news today.
Just wait until we announce Alan Pardew.
(The announcement of TSM still haunts me).
The slow journey from rumour and disbelief to confirmation and even bigger disbelief that day that was played out live before our eyes on here is my number one H&V memory.
Lost a lot of money that day as I just couldn't believe that Villa could be that stupid!
JT as player coach alongside Henry would be my bet
Not Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes or any of that ilk please.Absolutely, no thank you. To be honest I’d rather go for a complete unknown gamble than any of the above.
Current odds on Sky Bet
Martin O'Neill 18/1
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
Not Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes or any of that ilk please.Absolutely, no thank you. To be honest I’d rather go for a complete unknown gamble than any of the above.
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
Rogers would only come with Astaire as assistant. Rodgers however would want to bring in Hammerstein.
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
Yes, how many one horse races can you enjoy winning and the boredom of shoeing teams that can't compete financially with non league teams kicks in.
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
Rogers would only come with Astaire as assistant. Rodgers however would want to bring in Hammerstein.
The pitch would be alive, with the sound of music
Not Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes or any of that ilk please.Absolutely, no thank you. To be honest I’d rather go for a complete unknown gamble than any of the above.
I think we need to be realistic - is Rogers really going to come?
Rogers would only come with Astaire as assistant. Rodgers however would want to bring in Hammerstein.
The pitch would be alive, with the sound of music
We would also be able to climb every mountain.
JT as player coach alongside Henry would be my bet
Agree the next man has to come from left field. Absolutely no chance will we go with another meat-and-potatoes chancer like Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, etc.If they do we all need to get down the green grocer ASAP.
Well i want Howe but he won't come mid-season, if at all. After that i'm undecided. Smith well i don't think he's the right choice but i'm not against him as such. Henry doesn't excite me. If we're going down that route i'd rather have Terry as at least he knows the club. After that i don't know, Rogers, Ranieri, both could be okay. Even a complete left-field choice would be okay as long as it showed the club had thought about it. Just as long as its not a predictable lazy choice, i.e. fat sam, moyes.....
The key word for me is identity. We need to play with a clear mind to what we’re trying to achieve and how we’re going to do it.Yep. Identify and intent.
Quique Sánches Flores
i'm lumping on Fonseca because of the Mendez link well a tenner actually at 25's
Fonseca now 5's at Hills
Fonseca now 5's at Hills
If anyone wants to come up with a list of names then we can do a proper poll. Ideally not 20 different names.
It's also a question of whether it's worded "who do you want to be next Villa manager" or "who do think will be etc".
Mick McCarthy "would welcome the chance to talk to Aston Villa" I bet he would!?
I would like to be able to choose who it should be, who we think it will be, who we think Footyskillz will think it should be and which is the best looking candidate, please.
Just narrow it down to sixty or so choices to make the voting more streamlined.
Daft question, has Terry got the relevant coaching badges?
I think it will be John Terry as player manager.
All that Shite CD wanted OUT!
Ranieri with Terry as assistant.
Seen Fonseca cropping up a few times on Twitter this evening. Anyone know anything substantial about him?
He is the only manager ever to have a wine named after him. Cheersh.
2-0 up away in champions league come back by Lyon and were held 2-2 .Seen Fonseca cropping up a few times on Twitter this evening. Anyone know anything substantial about him?
104 games in charge at Shakhtar and won 80 of them, that’ll do.
Seen Fonseca cropping up a few times on Twitter this evening. Anyone know anything substantial about him
104 games in charge at Shakhtar and won 80 of them, that’ll do.
And he played at CB ! Need cover there.
Mellberg mentioned too, another CB
Citeh/ zorro mask thing is about the limit of my knowledge. An 80% win rate is impressive but presumably the Ukrainian league makes the SPL look unpredictable.
Nigel Pearson. We have not had any players strangled for ages. He can start with Bunn.
He is the only manager ever to have a wine named after him. Cheersh.
2-0 up away in champions league come back by Lyon and were held 2-2 .Seen Fonseca cropping up a few times on Twitter this evening. Anyone know anything substantial about him?
104 games in charge at Shakhtar and won 80 of them, that’ll do.
Maybe Paulo was watching events at villa park second half ?
Japp Stam should be considered at least
Japp Stam should be considered at least
Japp Stam should be considered at least
I’d be surprised if it was anyone but John Terry, although them shoeing out all the backroom staff would undermine that belief.
I’d be surprised if it was anyone but John Terry, although them shoeing out all the backroom staff would undermine that belief.
The fact that they've got rid of the lot suggests they know their man and that he'll be bringing his buddies, otherwise we are going to be severely short staffed for a while.
I'm figuring these will be the 12 most popular/likely, all good?
Terry
Fonseca
Smith
Rodgers
Arteta
Ranieri
Allardyce
Kinky Flores
Henry
Moyes
Carvahal
Benitez
rumour it's Wenger and Henry
Japp Stam should be considered at least
For what reason?
God no
Someone have a word !rumour it's Wenger and Henry
I think I would spontaneous combust with happiness if that were true
rumour it's Wenger and Henry
I’d be surprised if it was anyone but John Terry, although them shoeing out all the backroom staff would undermine that belief.
rumour it's Wenger and Henry
I think I would spontaneous combust with happiness if that were true
Likely to be someone not working then
rumour it's Wenger and HenryOops this I'd what I meant I'd said previously. Haven't got hang of this quote or reply thing yet!
Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
Likely to be someone not working then
Or they've been chatting for a while.
Didn't Everton spend about two years trying to get Fonseca and failed?
I'd be very surprised if we were able to given our current standing.
Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
Theresa May, anybody that can dance like that deserves a chance at Villa.
Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
Claudio Ranieri for me.
True gentleman and the author of one of the most memorable achievements in English football.
Fonseca
Rodgers
Garcia
Ferreira
Smith
Any of the above
Just me maybe, but i'm not sure Terry would be prepared to walk over the still prone corpse of Bruce to get the villa job.
2018 - A pattern is emerging.Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
2011 - Appointing McLeish would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Sherwood would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Garde would be monumentally stupid
Acc to Reading fans, he made Bruce look like Pep re: attacking intent - they hated him
Ditto Rogers - Celtic fans I’ve seen hate him as much.
Just me maybe, but i'm not sure Terry would be prepared to walk over the still prone corpse of Bruce to get the villa job.
I think that not only are you over estimating the morals of John Terry but also over estimating the morals of any candidate who fancies a job managing a club like Villa. I believe Bruce and Allardyce are mates and have villas next to each other in Portugal but I'm not sure that would stop big Sam taking the job if he was offered it and I would say the same about Terry. However, my vote has gone to Quique Sanchez Flores.
I'm figuring these will be the 12 most popular/likely, all good?
Terry
Fonseca
Smith
Rodgers
Arteta
Ranieri
Allardyce
Kinky Flores
Henry
Moyes
Carvahal
Benitez
Could we include sol campbell or maybe Dwight Yorke
I'm one for the Rooney rule and including one black , Asian or minority ethnic is only fair
Claudio Ranieri for me.
True gentleman and the author of one of the most memorable achievements in English football.
I still think it will be be a Mendes client. It won’t be lost on the ownership group how well Nuno has done. We need someone who can propel us forward and brings invention to our game. Not some fucking recycled plodder.
There was nothing monumentally stupid about employing Remi Garde. A multi lingual French manager with an outstanding record with a huge club teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The monumental stupidity was giving him zero funds, a snakepit dressing room and one eighth of the time Bruce was given before being ignominiously sacked.Correct on all fronts, the guy was shafted both sides, by the board and players. You have to remember that even at this level, managers and players are all cosseted millionaires, which is why the game is compromised. My 102nd post btw!
Mauricio Pochettino...
Seriously suggested by a Fleet St jorno.
Don't most corpses lie prone? I don't think there's any still about it, in the sense of up to the present time. Of perhaps it was meant to be "still, prone corpse"? Which makes more sense. Or was it actually "still warm corpse"?
There was nothing monumentally stupid about employing Remi Garde. A multi lingual French manager with an outstanding record with a huge club teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The monumental stupidity was giving him zero funds, a snakepit dressing room and one eighth of the time Bruce was given before being ignominiously sacked.Agreed.
Mauricio Pochettino...
Seriously suggested by a Fleet St jorno.
There was nothing monumentally stupid about employing Remi Garde. A multi lingual French manager with an outstanding record with a huge club teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The monumental stupidity was giving him zero funds, a snakepit dressing room and one eighth of the time Bruce was given before being ignominiously sacked.Agreed.
One things certain, the latest bookies odds is a list of names that wouldn’t be linked to any other club in this God-forsaken league.
There was nothing monumentally stupid about employing Remi Garde. A multi lingual French manager with an outstanding record with a huge club teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The monumental stupidity was giving him zero funds, a snakepit dressing room and one eighth of the time Bruce was given before being ignominiously sacked.
One things certain, the latest bookies odds is a list of names that wouldn’t be linked to any other club in this God-forsaken league.Apart from Leeds. They got Bielsa.
Mauricio Pochettino...
Seriously suggested by a Fleet St jorno.
My apologies if already posted but this is a good read
https://theback3.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/paulo-fonseca-a-man-of-style-and-maybe-europes-next-coaching-commodity/
It’s not ridiculous, based only on the absurd wealth of our owners. I’d say we’re still a more attractive option than the loveable geordies were when Benitez joined them.
Abel Ferreria 20/1, the one name on the list I've near heard of. Interested to learn who he's managed.
Abel Ferreria 20/1, the one name on the list I've near heard of. Interested to learn who he's managed.
He directed The King of New York, didn't he?
Is Bilic available?
Abel Ferreria 20/1, the one name on the list I've near heard of. Interested to learn who he's managed.
He directed The King of New York, didn't he?
And Driller Killer.
Serious question. With FFP, can we afford to aim high?
Paolo FonsecaSounds like a south american Drug lord.
Other than committing a Fraud ?Serious question. With FFP, can we afford to aim high?
Is there anything to stop the owners employing a manager and coaches direct and they then work for Villa on a low fee consultancy basis.
Abel Ferreria 20/1, the one name on the list I've near heard of. Interested to learn who he's managed.
Fonseca looks a great option but I'm not sure he'd be available right now.
I've gone with Arteta from the list because he has a fantastic reputation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Fonseca
Says on his wiki that he is the new manager of Aston Villa
Frank DeBoar anyone?Does it come with chips?
Fonseca looks a great option but I'm not sure he'd be available right now.
I've gone with Arteta from the list because he has a fantastic reputation.
He does?
Frank DeBoar anyone?
Who voted for Fat Sam??? Shame on you man.
Has Dwight Yorke thrown his hat into the ring yet ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Fonseca
Says on his wiki that he is the new manager of Aston Villa
Someone's been reading this forum and is on the wind up.
We always do this. We talk between ourselves about who would be ok, good, and great and then appoint someone incredibly dull.
Frank DeBoar anyone?No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Fonseca
Says on his wiki that he is the new manager of Aston Villa
Someone's been reading this forum and is on the wind up.
We always do this. We talk between ourselves about who would be ok, good, and great and then appoint someone incredibly dull.
Piffle and nonsense. We are going to appoint someone absolutely amazing.
I know I said the same the last eight times, but... I don't want to talk about them.
Fonseca looks a great option but I'm not sure he'd be available right now.
I've gone with Arteta from the list because he has a fantastic reputation.
He does?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Fonseca
Says on his wiki that he is the new manager of Aston Villa
Someone's been reading this forum and is on the wind up.
We always do this. We talk between ourselves about who would be ok, good, and great and then appoint someone incredibly dull.
Piffle and nonsense. We are going to appoint someone absolutely amazing.
I know I said the same the last eight times, but... I don't want to talk about them.
We are. We must, we simply can't not. We're going to do the most un-Villa thing in decades.
He's apparently a good coach and could well become a good manager but i'm not sure having an interview can be classed as very nearly getting the Arsenal job.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Fonseca
Says on his wiki that he is the new manager of Aston Villa
Someone's been reading this forum and is on the wind up.
We always do this. We talk between ourselves about who would be ok, good, and great and then appoint someone incredibly dull.
Piffle and nonsense. We are going to appoint someone absolutely amazing.
I know I said the same the last eight times, but... I don't want to talk about them.
We are. We must, we simply can't not. We're going to do the most un-Villa thing in decades.
Yes. Win the FA Cup. It’s our year, again.
He's apparently a good coach and could well become a good manager but i'm not sure having an interview can be classed as very nearly getting the Arsenal job.
Frank DeBoar anyone?No.
So tried to find if Van Bronckhorst was the new hot Dutch coach and came to the 'Telegraph's' '20 seriously underrated coaches who should be in the Premiership'
Well kudos for Nuno. But ...But in the list...apart from Van Bronckhorst.
Lambert (Wolves) and Bruce !!!!!! The article was published in Feb 2017 just when Bruce out discussion was started by Risso.
Also included were Slutsky ex Hull and Alex Neill.
The press or H& V ? Have faith in the 'Mad few'
Matt Law has poured some cold water on the Fonseca link. It is hard to see why he would come here when he could have had West Ham and Everton in the summer.
I am voting Rodgers. I know things have stalled this season at Celtic, but he has done a good job there, had Liverpool playing great football, same at Swansea and is for me, a top 10 premier league manager. He is thoroughly pissed off up there, has won promotion playing football from this league before and I reckon would love our squad right now.
Would have Smith as my second choice, and Terry as my 3rd. I simply don't think we would get our hands on Fonseca sadly.
I've bet on Fonseca so we won't be appointing him.
The poll is for who you want, not who you think will be our manager. I don't think it will be Fonseca but I voted for him.
I've bet on Fonseca so we won't be appointing him.
This is reverse ITK, folks. I can spot it from a mile off. Lump on Fonseca. It'll be Fonseca before the postman comes. Fonseca it is. That's a cast-iron cd guarantee!
He's apparently a good coach and could well become a good manager but i'm not sure having an interview can be classed as very nearly getting the Arsenal job.But it shows that he is prepared to leave Donner Shishkebab FC
I've bet on Fonseca so we won't be appointing him.And here. Hard earned £50 at 9/2.
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Well i've seen the arguments put forward for the various candidates, and now the verdict.
Henry - Great player. Do great players automatically make great managers?
Well i've seen the arguments put forward for the various candidates, and now the verdict.
Henry - Great player. Do great players automatically make great managers?
Appleyard - above applies although he seem to "get" us and doesn't come across as someone slumming it because he wants to manage his idols someday.like DOL, and MON
FSW - Sort of a slightly higher quality foreign Bruce "have coaching certificates, will travel" character
Fonseca - got binned at Porto, looks promising, Not gonna come i reckon
Allardyce - NO, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY
Smith - Dunno. Like his football, worried he'd get eaten alive
Arteta - seems to have a great reputation based on precisely no experience as a manager. Doesn't mean he's shit but who knows.?
Moyes - see Allardyce
Ranieri - Always liked him as a manager, plays good football. gettable. Possible
Rogers - Done well in scotland but who doesn't at an old firm club? to be fair hasn't really failed anywhere.
Carvalhal - Not really sure why he's on this list.
Kinky Flores - great name
A N other - Won everything in the game there is to win. Gettable. The only real choice.
Osorio just might be awesome.
MON took over in 2006 we had just finished 16th..left in 2010 we had just finished 6th.. i may be wrong but i think that qualifies as better state..if it doesn't then i don't mind having a manager that ruins us even moreI'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
Christ I'd quite like the disaster of 3 consecutive top 6 PL finishes !
With hindsight, in my opinion, MON was the start of the decline. He binned a lot of promising youngsters (see how many of them went on to build careers elsewhere - Steven Davis and Gary Cahill stand out) and replaced them with old/high wage players. Plus the downturn in our home form started then; he turned us into a counter-attacking team that did well away but struggled when expected to drive the game at home. The league placing was good - as was were the cup runs - but when he left, he left us in the sh**t.
I've heard it said that a good manager is someone who leaves a club in a better state than when they found it. By that definition, MON failed - as so many others have.
Who is this Smith evrybody is talking about? i have never heard of him and i think the Aston Villa job is to big for him.How can you say the job is too big for him if you dont know who he is?
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Paulo Fonseca would be an amazing appointment for Villa, but my information is that he is not looking to move to England to manage in the Championship. Think Villa will (sadly) have to look elsewhere #avfc
Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
2011 - Appointing McLeish would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Sherwood would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Garde would be monumentally stupid
There was a clip on Talksport this morning of Tom Ross saying that Fonseca was being considered. Think he is the kind of progressive appointment we need at this point, but it seems there are doubts that he would come.
Appointing Terry would be monumentally stupid.
2011 - Appointing McLeish would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Sherwood would be monumentally stupid
2015 - Appointing Garde would be monumentally stupid
That’s unfair in Garde. He wasn’t backed by Lerner so gave up. The other two much worse managers than him.
There was nothing monumentally stupid about employing Remi Garde. A multi lingual French manager with an outstanding record with a huge club teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The monumental stupidity was giving him zero funds, a snakepit dressing room and one eighth of the time Bruce was given before being ignominiously sacked.
Was Osorio the manager for Mexico during this year's world cup? Interesting option. I loved watching them but must be a massive risk
Sanchez Flores or Fonseca would be a great shout and a massive statement of intent, but I can't see it
I like Smith and id like the football. But he's never really won anything or even got a side into the play offs. Is the job too big?
Not an advocate of Henry
Nuno looks like a good manager. I'm sure he could be tempted to come to a big club.
Welcome SamI am afraid that head is not suitable for that body.
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MON took over in 2006 we had just finished 16th..left in 2010 we had just finished 6th.. i may be wrong but i think that qualifies as better state..if it doesn't then i don't mind having a manager that ruins us even moreI'm almost beginning to think the club isn't right for anyone. Since MOM left - the last time we had any semblence of success - everyone has been an unmitigated disaster. Shit, even MON was a disaster.
Christ I'd quite like the disaster of 3 consecutive top 6 PL finishes !
With hindsight, in my opinion, MON was the start of the decline. He binned a lot of promising youngsters (see how many of them went on to build careers elsewhere - Steven Davis and Gary Cahill stand out) and replaced them with old/high wage players. Plus the downturn in our home form started then; he turned us into a counter-attacking team that did well away but struggled when expected to drive the game at home. The league placing was good - as was were the cup runs - but when he left, he left us in the sh**t.
I've heard it said that a good manager is someone who leaves a club in a better state than when they found it. By that definition, MON failed - as so many others have.
I guess if they have someone like Fonseca lined-up and therefore more smarts than i gave them credit for, we will know soon enough. If they haven't appointed someone before the millwall game, then we will know it was the gabbage that did it!
Nuno looks like a good manager. I'm sure he could be tempted to come to a big club.
I wouldn't rule out Rui Faria, if we can't get Fonseca. Mendes will certainly push for him. 17 years working alongside Mourinho can not be ignored with everything they've won together. I wonder if Terry would work with him as Assistant Manager?
I guess if they have someone like Fonseca lined-up and therefore more smarts than i gave them credit for, we will know soon enough. If they haven't appointed someone before the millwall game, then we will know it was the gabbage that did it!
Fuck me, it took is long enough to get rid last time without him being manager.
Didn't Kevin MacDonald pick a fucking McGrath-awful team last time he was given the Villa remote control?
I wouldn't rule out Rui Faria, if we can't get Fonseca. Mendes will certainly push for him. 17 years working alongside Mourinho can not be ignored with everything they've won together. I wonder if Terry would work with him as Assistant Manager?
Faria is an annoying little man he really is with his antics . Good coach but a touchline
antagonist !
Rather have him on our side than against but I don't know if his temperament is suited
Rui Faria: I left Manchester United with a heavy heart but I have a passion to manage
After more than ten years as José Mourinho’s No 2, Rui Faria wants to make a return to football as a head coach, writes Henry Winter.
When Rui Faria announced he was resigning as assistant manager at Manchester United, he talked emotionally of leaving with a “heavy heart”. Four months on, the 43-year-old strides into a hotel near his Surrey home, a mixture of the contented-looking father who has just done another happy school run, the passionate, deep thinker about the game and the ambitious coach weighing up a return to football as a manager. “It was a stop to restart,” Faria says, smiling.
What happened? Over two hours, Faria relates the values his parents instilled in him, the joy of working with driven stars such as Frank Lampard and Cristiano Ronaldo, and 17 years alongside José Mourinho at Leiria, Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid and United, amassing 25 trophies. “When I left with a heavy heart, I am first speaking of the friendship with José, the relationship that, of course, doesn’t finish but it is different,” he says.
“My heavy heart was secondly, of course, leaving United, leaving all the good people there. I’ve always been a humble person with everybody. I gave everyone respect, from the kitchen people, kitman, medical department, everyone, and I was sad to leave. It was not a decision I took overnight, it was a mature decision and I don’t regret it. Life has no rehearsals. You live only once. I was living there every day, maybe more time spent at work than with the family.
“I felt the decision was about my family, they had been very patient with me for all these years and it was time for me to think more of them. I don’t need to go to New York, Barcelona [on sabbatical]. I just wanted to do the basic stuff as a father, have breakfast with them every morning, dinner with them every night, listen to them. I remember moments when I was working and they were speaking to me but my head was in another place, worries with my work, and I knew I was being unfair to them. They are 10, 11, 13 only once and this goes so quickly and you lose everything. I wouldn’t have seen anything if I’d not stopped. I took the opportunity to show them Portugal, they had been in Madrid, Milan or London, but not Portugal. I couldn’t be more happy with my decision.”
Faria thinks of his own childhood. “I grew up with my parents working every day and those important conversations at dinner, talking about my day at school and listening to them giving me advice and principles, like ‘Without working, you have nothing, you need to be a hard worker’, ‘Be always honest’ and ‘Believe in yourself’, words that stayed in my head, that followed me all these years. I would describe myself as honest, with dignity, loyal to the cause and a respectful person. I’m someone who believes in hard work. No one has given me anything. I had to work to where I arrived.”
He thinks of the early years, studying diligently at the University of Porto, writing a thesis on football and contacting Mourinho, who was Louis van Gaal’s assistant at Barcelona at the time. Mourinho admired Faria’s energy, intelligence and ability to think progressively about football and contacted him to work at Leiria. “When José gave me the opportunity it was the result of the work I did at university,” he says. “He saw in me something I could deliver.”
Mourinho saw an aspiring coach, who would acquire his Uefa Pro Licence to add to his sports science degree and was an expert in tactical periodisation (a methodology that combines tactical and physical work). “I played football at a bad level but I could see [solutions]” Faria says. “We train three times a week, so why are we losing time with all this running around the pitch? We should be training specifically for the game. Everything is related with the ball.
“When we came from Porto to Chelsea [in 2004], we came with a philosophy. José was the new man in football that broke all the rules, with fantastic seasons at Porto, winning everything [including the Uefa Cup and Champions League] with a team that is not always fighting for the top competitions, so he is a bit of an outsider and what he did was extraordinary, so he came with that aura and results. People started believing in him from that first impression.”
The Chelsea players accepted their commitment to tactical periodisation. Lampard had been used to running during training, lapping the pitches, until Faria had a polite word. “The concert pianist doesn’t run around the piano to get ready or do push-ups on his fingers,” Faria told Lampard. He smiles at the memory. “I gave Frank an analogy for him to understand that, yes, there is a logic to [tactical periodisation].” Practise, prepare, don’t run yourself into the ground. “Frank was ready to listen and learn, be humble, put team interests ahead of his own interests.”
Faria loved that dressing room with strong characters, such as Lampard, John Terry and Didier Drogba, who absorbed advice. “There is a big change now [in football]. People now question the people in charge. It looks like everybody knows everything so when you ask people to do things, sometimes they doubt what you say. Back then they were characters passionate about their football, hungry to learn and wanting to do well, people like Drogba, JT, Frank and [Ricardo] Carvalho, who came with us from Porto, who knew it already. They looked at José and understood — ‘We follow this guy and good things will happen to us.’ Not just in those years but also afterwards because José built the main team years after he left, they won important things.”
What of the woolly hat, concealing an earpiece so the banned Mourinho could communicate with the bench against Bayern Munich in 2005? “It was just cold that day,” Faria replies diplomatically.
Tactical periodisation continued at Inter. “I remember when we went to Italy and did the first session pre-season and José sent me to the press, and they said, ‘Last season we saw the fitness coach on a bicycle putting the players running around the track here, why don’t you run on the track?’ I replied, ‘For the same reasons that the athletes are not playing football to improve their skills.’ They started laughing. Nobody had stopped to question [heavy running] in the past.”
At Madrid, Faria spoke to Ronaldo about his heavy gym work. “I said, ‘With this, you’re going to lose mobility and agility and a guy like you is about speeding with the ball, you have a lot of skills to dribble.’ But I never say stop. I just opened their minds to a different approach.
“I’ve worked with a lot of good professionals but Ronaldo is maybe the best with his desire always to be better every day. We could arrive at the training ground at 4am after a flight and he wanted to do cold water, warm water, and ask for someone to give him a massage. He could finish a session and be one hour doing free kicks or doing an action, coming inside to shoot. As a kid at 12 to leave Madeira to go to Sporting [Lisbon] because he had a dream, a passion . . . and he has built a career on passion and hard work. I respect him so much.”
Yet Madrid was difficult in many ways. There were issues with the dressing room and Faria occasionally falling foul of officials, a theme that briefly continued on his return with Mourinho to Chelsea. It was April 19, 2014, at Stamford Bridge and Mike Dean had just awarded Sunderland a penalty that Fabio Borini converted to win the game. “We were fighting for the Premier League and that penalty, minute 82, was changing our possibilities to keep fighting for the title,” he says. “It was a decisive moment for us. I went to the tunnel — it is not allowed — to watch on TV and had the feeling it was not a penalty. My position was to tell the fourth official [Phil Dowd] it is a wrong decision.
“It’s not something I’m proud of but people try to pull me back, take my arms and that creates an image of somebody who’s lost his mind. I never had a bad intention except to express my opinion. I can’t erase the image. It was not so good for me, a six-match ban [reduced to four]. But I’m proud I defended the players’ interests.”
A week later, Chelsea were at Anfield. “It was the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. There was a will for Liverpool to be champions. On TV, everything was ‘Liverpool here, Liverpool there’. It was like there are no other teams in the Premier League so we were feeling, ‘Is [the title race] done? There are still some matches to go.’ We won 2-0. That is why football is beautiful. You can’t predict what will happen.”
He will be at the Bridge today, watching Chelsea take on Liverpool. “Liverpool and Chelsea became the new rivalry, fighting for the league, in the Champions League, so many stories around this fixture — the ‘ghost goal’. It’s an important, big match.”
Refreshed by his break, Faria wants to return to the game. “I have a passion to get into management. Being assistant for so many years, working with the best, in the best clubs in the world with someone who lives football 24 hours a day like José does, you are influenced by the desire to lead, start a project and coach.
“Being José’s assistant for so many years, I couldn’t be an assistant to somebody else. Working with José is the best experience you can have. José is maybe the only manager when he takes a club that there’s a demand on him immediately for silverware. Other managers in different clubs can be there for four or five years, not winning anything, and people like them and are happy with what they deliver to the club. There are managers who have special pressure on them and others who don’t. It’s difficult now. The Premier League is so competitive. Manchester City bought four defenders for £300 million and if they don’t do well the next year, they just sell them and replace.
“José’s a special person and a special professional. He loves what he does 24 hours a day, his motivation levels are incomparable. He is demanding but the more you deliver, the less he asks of you. You can get knowledge from a school but wisdom comes with experiences and I don’t think there’s a manager in the world with the experience José has and the wisdom.
“You don’t just erase what he did in football. People should respect José more than they do. If they showed more respect, maybe people would have a different person towards them. When you feel you’re not being respected you have a tendency also to answer the same way. And José sells [newspapers] like no one. If you’re a manager who hasn’t worked for a while and wants to get on the front page of the paper you just say something bad or critical about José and it will be front page.”
Faria cannot hide his frustration at players not sticking to club rules. “Today there is this hunger of showing on Instagram and Twitter a video of a player working with a personal trainer at home. This is the worst thing that can happen at the highest level of competition. You have a programme in the club, people managing your health and suddenly you go home and tell a guy you want to be stronger. OK, he gives him more strength but it’s not considering what’s being done at the club or the fatigue of the player and it’s bad for you. It’s a modern disease.”
As well as talking so lucidly, Faria is a copious compiler of notes. “I am a man of the pen and paper,” he says. “I have pages of exercises, a question from a player, a question from the manager, so I am building up with my experience a special knowledge.” A knowledge he will bring back to the dugout as a manager.
Trophy haul as Mourinho’s No 2
Porto
Portuguese League 2003, 2004
Champions League 2004
Uefa Cup 2003
Portuguese Cup 2003
Portuguese Super Cup 2003
Chelsea
Premier League 2005, 2006
League Cup 2005, 2007
FA Cup 2007
Community Shield 2005
Inter
Serie A 2009, 2010
Champions League 2010
Italian Cup 2010
Italian Super Cup 2008
Real Madrid
La Liga 2012
Spanish Cup 2011
Spanish Super Cup 2012
Chelsea
Premier League 2015
League Cup 2015
Man Utd
Europa League 2017
League Cup 2017
Community Shield 2016
Didn't Kevin MacDonald pick a fucking McGrath-awful team last time he was given the Villa remote control?
I was trying to think about something along those lines last night. The last time he was in charge for a game he pissed the fans off somehow - was it just team selection?
I know. Hilarious ain't it.Nuno looks like a good manager. I'm sure he could be tempted to come to a big club.
I’ve been using that line with my tatter mates and family since the dismissal, there have been some spectacular bites and mouth frothing.
Didn't Kevin MacDonald pick a fucking McGrath-awful team last time he was given the Villa remote control?
I was trying to think about something along those lines last night. The last time he was in charge for a game he pissed the fans off somehow - was it just team selection?
It was after Sherwood was sacked and the team he put out was a disgrace...left out all the new (foreign) signings IIRC - Saints away in the Cup?
That lineup. JesusDidn't Kevin MacDonald pick a fucking McGrath-awful team last time he was given the Villa remote control?
I was trying to think about something along those lines last night. The last time he was in charge for a game he pissed the fans off somehow - was it just team selection?
It was after Sherwood was sacked and the team he put out was a disgrace...left out all the new (foreign) signings IIRC - Saints away in the Cup?
Yep, his line up was met with universal derision on here:
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=54973.0
The post-match comments were even worse.
Hope he's not as much of a twat about things this time.
Risso's great line for that game still makes me chuckle.Great stuff! Needs quoting.
"Why am I watching this shite? I could be doing something more pleasurable like ironing my bollocks."
A great line that passes the testes of time :)Risso's great line for that game still makes me chuckle.Great stuff! Needs quoting.
"Why am I watching this shite? I could be doing something more pleasurable like ironing my bollocks."
Wilder from Sheffield United?
The guys who own the kebab shop by witton station.
Come on, who's voted for Allardyce ?
Own up
Wilder from Sheffield United?
I was talking to the owner of Northampton Town a few weeks ago, and he said everything started to go for wrong for them when they lost Wilder. A brilliant manager in his opinion.
The fact that KMac is still here, despite being here throughout all the shite, despite the bullying allegations, despite to be honest not having a great record of producing U23s that make it to the first team, concerns me somewhat. It's a bit harsh, but after all the decontamination since we got relegated it's like there is still a barrel of old dysfunctional Villa toxic waste lying around that people forgot about. It doesn't remove the nagging feeling I have that there is still something fundamentally wrong at the club that hasn't been exorcised and that a new manager/head coach may not be able to bring about the sea-change we all hope for.Some valid points here.
The fact that KMac is still here, despite being here throughout all the shite, despite the bullying allegations, despite to be honest not having a great record of producing U23s that make it to the first team, concerns me somewhat. It's a bit harsh, but after all the decontamination since we got relegated it's like there is still a barrel of old dysfunctional Villa toxic waste lying around that people forgot about. It doesn't remove the nagging feeling I have that there is still something fundamentally wrong at the club that hasn't been exorcised and that a new manager/head coach may not be able to bring about the sea-change we all hope for.
Just checking who Appleyard is or is it meant to be Michael Appleton?
So who do people think might get the job? I checked an odds website this morning (last night in UK) dean smith was 7/4, fat Sam next favourite,then I think Henry was 5/1, Martinez 7/1followed by the usual procession.
Had to put up with my pisstaking qpr mate sending me pics of various managers on the phone including fat Sam, Moyes, pardew and I actually laughed out loud when I saw the obligatory harry redknapp in his Range Rover ‘pulling into villa park’!
Terry seems to be being backed by some punters too. Wouldn’t be a bad shout, but can’t see it happening.
I can't see Artera leaving Man City this season so of the rookies I'd go for Henry - he's also available right now.
Has anyone suggested the Terry Henry combo yet ? Sorry !
I think the main barrier to us getting managers currently employed would be compensation. For example, what would it take to prise smith, and presumably his staff, from Brentford, a club realistically in with a shout of getting into the money league next season? I’ve no idea, but it wouldn’t happen cheaply is my guess and aren’t we still bound by ffp, even hen it comes to non-playing staff? I don’t know.
I can't understand why so many want Henry. He was the Belgium forwards coach, that's it. A handful of training sessions to his name.
Talksport. Now.Who's that speaking??????
I think the main barrier to us getting managers currently employed would be compensation. For example, what would it take to prise smith, and presumably his staff, from Brentford, a club realistically in with a shout of getting into the money league next season? I’ve no idea, but it wouldn’t happen cheaply is my guess and aren’t we still bound by ffp, even hen it comes to non-playing staff? I don’t know.
Compensating clubs is exempted under the FFP rules. So there is no reason why we shouldn't go for a manager who is currently employed elsewhere.
Talksport. Now.
Talksport. Now.
Missed it. What did you say?
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.
I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.
Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.
It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.
I can't understand why so many want Henry. He was the Belgium forwards coach, that's it. A handful of training sessions to his name.In the same way that Derby appointed Lampard ,Germany gave Beckenbauer his first managerial post .
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.
I can't understand why so many want Henry. He was the Belgium forwards coach, that's it. A handful of training sessions to his name.In the same way that Derby appointed Lampard ,Germany gave Beckenbauer his first managerial post .
International stars often work with the great coaches of the era.Henry has played under Lippi,Ancelotti,Wenger,Rikjaard and Pep.
It doesn't mean that he will become a good manager but it's a great advantage to have those coaches as your mentor.
A rigorous interview ,as in any job,should flesh out his suitability but to rule him out would be foolish.Is there also the image of Henry as a player which makes him appear to be less suitable than the more macho Terrys and Lampards ?
Sir Brian would have seemed to be one of the least likeliest to go into management from the Saunders era.
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.Actually,it might be a very interesting meeting,as no doubt some voted for kinky.
Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.
I voted for Flores when slightly spiffo last night. I think it was Aftab who put his name in my head - I had forgotten his achievements at Watford but he ticks the achieved promotion and exotic boxes. I was also discounting those I think we have no chance of attracting or who I don't want.
Bielsa does too.I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.
I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.
Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.
It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.
Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.
I enjoyed your interview segment, David. Echoed my thoughts to a nutTalksport. Now.
Missed it. What did you say?
Right time to go, unbalanced signings, no idea of tactics, stopped us losing but couldn't get us winning, Rodgers my choice.
I ticked Flores for the reasons you both mention above.Who are the other ten people who, like me went for Flores? We could all get together and form a fan club. It would be like that episode of Frasier when there was a rather pathetic meeting of the Frasier Crane fan club in his apartment.
I voted for Flores when slightly spiffo last night. I think it was Aftab who put his name in my head - I had forgotten his achievements at Watford but he ticks the achieved promotion and exotic boxes. I was also discounting those I think we have no chance of attracting or who I don't want.
The Villa job is a big job with big pressure. A big part of my thinking was that I doubt that would intimidate Flores, who has managed clubs like Valencia, Athletico Madrid and Benfica. Clubs where you are expected to be in the top places in the league, like we want to be in the championship.
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.
I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.
Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.
It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.
Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.
Fonseca has seemingly been ruled out by his own choice, not a shock really.
Still think Rodgers would be the best bet, a decent offer could get him I am sure.
The claret and blue specs in me keep secretly hoping Smith takes it, and makes us great. The dream of a Villa man leading us to promotion playing good football is a really enticing prospect. My concern is the infrastructure Brentford have built means he is a cog in a bigger system though.
I think we will end up with Henry though. Then it will come down to who his number 2 is, and who the sporting director is to make it work. I think I would sooner have Arteta though if going for an unproven.
I did read somewhere (can't remember where sorry) that one of the candidates for the TD role is Spanish. If true, a link up with Sanchez Flores would be good IMO.
Damo - where is this fan club's first meeting?
I would love a proper student of the game. Someone who really studies tactics, the opposition, individual performance; you know, like managers are supposed to do. Someone who could innovate, mix things up, impact a game with a few instructions from the dugout, and someone that turns up to training.
I don't really know enough about most of the candidates to have a favourite. Obviously the Sam, Moyes lot are a definite no, and some will just be out of our reach. I can't make my mind up about Dean Smith; in some ways it could be brilliant. He plays attacking football (which would surely suit our squad), he's young and a Villa fan, which although it shouldn't even enter our thoughts when making such a huge decision, does inevitably make me like him a bit more (a bit like that bloke from the old BT adverts). However, it could all end up very Paul Lambert. There's no way of knowing whether the job would be too big for him.
Of the rookies, Arteta seems the most highly rated, and seems to be learning from the best - but obviously this would be a huge task for a first management job. Henry too, has gone out and got some experience, but would be a bigger risk. Terry has no experience, and I understand he hasn't even bothered to get his coaching badges yet, so I don't think anybody at the club would have seriously have considered him. I have major doubts as to whether he will make it as a manager anyway, because quite frankly, I think he's a moron. And football has moved on from people like him being a successful manager.
It certainly feels like there is much more choice this time around, which can only be a good thing. I also think that the board have had this in the back of their minds since the day they took over so I'm confident they're going to get this one right. The summer signings all seem to have been focused on a young, quick, attack driven team; they now just have to put the final (pretty massive) piece in place to make it all fit together.
Big Sam ticks all the boxes you request in your first paragraph but then you rule him out in your next paragraph.
Hmmm, you may have got me on a technicality... I guess I should have included someone that plays exciting, attacking football. That's the only way to get a tune out of this squad, I reckon, and I don't think BFS would be particularly well suited to that. And, having suffered some eye-watering football over the last couple (or ten) years, I think we've all earned some flair and fun. Which surely does rule him out.
Flores could be the answer...? (I don't know much about his style of football, so happy to be corrected there!)
I did read somewhere (can't remember where sorry) that one of the candidates for the TD role is Spanish. If true, a link up with Sanchez Flores would be good IMO.
Damo - where is this fan club's first meeting?
My place, but I will have to ask for my wife's permission first. If she says no I will ask my mum and dad if we can all go to their place. I will buy some 'nibbles', but if it is at my parents house they go to bed early so we would have to be finished by about ten.
The appointment will depend on who has been chosen as DOF I would think.
It could be Wenger and Henry as assistant manager, as I think Henry as manager is too high a risk.
The appointment will depend on who has been chosen as DOF I would think.Somewhat!
I've just been reading his managerial record on Wiki (Kinky Flores that is) and it does seem to be a bit of a mixed bag.
I still like the idea of AVB. He's not in work either.
It could be Wenger and Henry as assistant manager, as I think Henry as manager is too high a risk.
I've just been reading his managerial record on Wiki (Kinky Flores that is) and it does seem to be a bit of a mixed bag.
I still like the idea of AVB. He's not in work either.
Come on, who's voted for Allardyce ?
Own up
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/Noticias/Ver/752890
English translation has someone close to Fonseca saying swapping a CL club for s championship one not an option.
Bruce had been promoted four timesYou don't say? Never heard that before!! ;D ;Dand relegated twicewhen he joined us.
I've just been reading his managerial record on Wiki (Kinky Flores that is) and it does seem to be a bit of a mixed bag.
I still like the idea of AVB. He's not in work either.
I heard that AVB comes from a wealthy family and sees himself as a bit of a renaissance man. Football was interesting to him for a while, but last I heard he fancied himself as a rally driver or some such. Therefore I doubt he'd have the hunger to put up with a season of slog in the Championship.
And was there or thereabouts for the England job.Bruce had been promoted four timesYou don't say? Never heard that before!! ;D ;Dand relegated twicewhen he joined us.
Next manager markets usually get suspended overnight.
If it's close to being announced I would imagine it would be Henry but I was expecting them to get someone in with more of a track record.
I've just been reading his managerial record on Wiki (Kinky Flores that is) and it does seem to be a bit of a mixed bag.
I still like the idea of AVB. He's not in work either.
Personally I wouldn't want AVB. I think any manager who has been around a while will have a mixed managerial record. Bruce had been promoted four times and relegated twice when he joined us.
I've just been reading his managerial record on Wiki (Kinky Flores that is) and it does seem to be a bit of a mixed bag.
I still like the idea of AVB. He's not in work either.
Personally I wouldn't want AVB. I think any manager who has been around a while will have a mixed managerial record. Bruce had been promoted four times and relegated twice when he joined us.
Can you imagine Villas-Boas having to work with our defence?
They'd have to widen the league table in all the papers to fit four-digit numbers in the goals against column.
Who on earth voted for Moyes and Allardyce? Haha.
So does David Moyes.Who on earth voted for Moyes and Allardyce? Haha.
I think back wistfully to when Moyes was everyones first choice every time a manager was sacked
Who on earth voted for Moyes and Allardyce? Haha.
I think back wistfully to when Moyes was everyones first choice every time a manager was sacked
Could be worse .....imagine Fry and Rednapp being consideredWho on earth voted for Moyes and Allardyce? Haha.
I think back wistfully to when Moyes was everyones first choice every time a manager was sacked
Moyes, Allardyce & Bruce belong in the Jurassic time zone....
Next manager markets usually get suspended overnight.
Isn't that an old Lonnie Donegan song?
Could be worse .....imagine Fry and Rednapp being consideredWho on earth voted for Moyes and Allardyce? Haha.
I think back wistfully to when Moyes was everyones first choice every time a manager was sacked
Moyes, Allardyce & Bruce belong in the Jurassic time zone....
Moyes now favourite according to SkybetI hope they are taking the piss, or you are.
Next manager markets usually get suspended overnight.
Moyes now favourite according to SkybetJust saw that. Please no. The owners wouldn't be that stupid would they?
How the feck is Moyes now favourite.
Paulo Sousa has just left his club in China.Very interesting.
Paulo Sousa has just left his club in China.Very interesting.
Is there a Mendes connection?Paulo Sousa has just left his club in China.Very interesting.
Failed to win promotion from this division in 3 attempts with 3 different clubs, Leicester sacked him after 3 months. He'll definitely fit in.
Paulo Sousa has just left his club in China.Very interesting.
Failed to win promotion from this division in 3 attempts with 3 different clubs, Leicester sacked him after 3 months. He'll definitely fit in.
If it isn’t Thierry Henry I’ll eat Paddy Ashdowns hat.Or Bruce's cabbage.
If it isn’t Thierry Henry I’ll eat Paddy Ashdowns hat.And I'll eat Theresa Mays p#@$y !
Pass the mind bleach!If it isn’t Thierry Henry I’ll eat Paddy Ashdowns hat.And I'll eat Theresa Mays p#@$y !
Brendan having another mare this evening. Could he walk out?What's gone wrong for him up there? Genuine question; I don't follow Scottish football.
Brendan having another mare this evening. Could he walk out?
If it isn’t Thierry Henry I’ll eat Paddy Ashdowns hat.And I'll eat Theresa Mays p#@$y !
Brendan having another mare this evening. Could he walk out?What's gone wrong for him up there? Genuine question; I don't follow Scottish football.
Brendan having another mare this evening. Could he walk out?What's gone wrong for him up there? Genuine question; I don't follow Scottish football.
Ta.Brendan having another mare this evening. Could he walk out?What's gone wrong for him up there? Genuine question; I don't follow Scottish football.
No investment, and the squad have peaked.
My lad who lives in Manchester told me yesterday it would be Moyes as he had already met with the Villa people, don't know where he got this information from
I just laughed at him and said he isn't even in the running
Nearly odds on favourite tonight. Gulp
My lad who lives in Manchester told me yesterday it would be Moyes as he had already met with the Villa people, don't know where he got this information fromAn old article was tweeted as a joke on twitter from 2016 when itvwas reported that Tony Xia had met with Moyes. It was probably that
I just laughed at him and said he isn't even in the running
Nearly odds on favourite tonight. Gulp
My lad who lives in Manchester told me yesterday it would be Moyes as he had already met with the Villa people, don't know where he got this information from
I just laughed at him and said he isn't even in the running
Nearly odds on favourite tonight. Gulp
I don't think it will be Moyes in a month of Sunday's.
My lad who lives in Manchester told me yesterday it would be Moyes as he had already met with the Villa people, don't know where he got this information from
I just laughed at him and said he isn't even in the running
Nearly odds on favourite tonight. Gulp
I don't think it will be Moyes in a month of Sunday's.
Better fucking not be.
The problem I have with Rodgers is I can't forget the fact that Tactics Tim out tacticked him at Wembley, and even Lambert managed it at Anfield.
I'd take him over Moyes every single day of the week though.
Somebody dead you think then Hilts?Herbert Chapman with Field Marshall Montgomery as DoF. You heard it here first.
If we were able to get Rodgers I look forward to our own version of this. Possibly with Ron Atkinson calling him a fucking dirty bogtrotter or something if we've lost.
(https://imgur.com/nP613Me)
If it's going to be one of the usual suspects off the manager go round they often meet in The Crown in Southwold, primarily because the grub is fantastic, it's two yards away from Adnams brewery and the residents think Bobby Charlton is England captain. They sit in plain sight. I will let you know if I see anything. Peter Reid is invariably with them. He is probably the venue fixer.
It won't be Moyes.
It won't be Moyes.
Stop this! I’m getting very very worried now.It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
McLeish isnt going to be Villa manager any more than Barbara Streissand.
If you think Randy would offer the job to McLeish then you are retarded.
It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
Moyes new favourite on SkyBet 🤦🏻♂️
just a bit of a tangent question does anyone no if uncle Doug will have a say in the next Manager?
Ex Arsenal dream team of Tony Adams and Sol Campbell.
I don't think you are allowed to say that Paddy. Say kilts then it becomes Cambellian
It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
Itk?
Peter Withe would do it for free.
It won't be Moyes.
Any kind of ITK there? Looking for reassurance...!
It won't be Moyes.
"It won't be McLeish"*
*Not a personal dig. I have no idea whether you, or anyone else, wrote that at the time.
People here will concur I told them McLeish had the gig on the Saturday lunchtime. He didn't quit with that lot until the next afternoon.
It won't be Moyes.
Any kind of ITK there? Looking for reassurance...!
I don't know who will get it. I do know it won't be him.
If Fonseca has ruled himself out, he should be removed from the poll and have his second preferences spread between the other candidates.
Get your finger out, PWS.
Peter Withe would do it for free.
He wouldn't. He wants paying to open an envelope.
All the money today seems to have gone on David Moyes, who is now odds on favorite with betfair and PaddyPower and Paul Cook, who has come from nowhere to become third favourite behind Moyes and Henry.
All the money today seems to have gone on David Moyes, who is now odds on favorite with betfair and PaddyPower and Paul Cook, who has come from nowhere to become third favourite behind Moyes and Henry.
John Lydon as his assistant?
I remember reading on a Liverpool forum after he'd gone that his biggest flaw was not being able to organise a defence.
Cant find any links re Fonseca ruling himself out . Nothing about Moyes eitherYep , where has Zorro said no?
Another O'Neill might be too much for some people here!
Cant find any links re Fonseca ruling himself out . Nothing about Moyes eitherYep , where has Zorro said no?
News circulated this Thursday in England, notably by the newspaper "Birmingham Mail", pointed to the interest of Aston Villa in Paulo Fonseca. However, a close source of the Portuguese coach denied A BOLA that this is even a hypothesis on the table, even because Paulo Fonseca does not consider exchanging a team that participates in the Champions League for an English 2nd Division.
It should also be noted that the news circulated gave account of the involvement of businessman Jorge Mendes in this alleged attempt by the heads of Aston Villa, but Paulo Fonseca is represented by Marco Abreu.
Dean Smith wants it. 100%Doesn’t he just!
I know some Liverpool supporters who said he was okay but had his glass ceiling. Sounds a bit like MON. We don’t want another goodish but ultimately limited manager.
They were more commenting on his ability for his tactics and out thinking the opponents. They all agreed he was very decent but the second place was more due to Suarez. It wouldn’t be the end of the world if we went for Rodgers but I wouldn’t be that excited either. I’d rather gamble with Smith or Fonseca or Henry.I know some Liverpool supporters who said he was okay but had his glass ceiling. Sounds a bit like MON. We don’t want another goodish but ultimately limited manager.
Yes. But the ceiling for Liverpool that he couldn't break through was winning the Premier League / being successful in the Champions League. We're looking for a manager to get promoted and reestablish us in the Premier League while putting in place a clear style of play. He's more than good enough for what we'd need over the next five years or so.
They were more commenting on his ability for his tactics and out thinking the opponents. They all agreed he was very decent but the second place was more due to Suarez. It wouldn’t be the end of the world if we went for Rodgers but I wouldn’t be that excited either. I’d rather gamble with Smith or Fonseca or Henry.I know some Liverpool supporters who said he was okay but had his glass ceiling. Sounds a bit like MON. We don’t want another goodish but ultimately limited manager.
Yes. But the ceiling for Liverpool that he couldn't break through was winning the Premier League / being successful in the Champions League. We're looking for a manager to get promoted and reestablish us in the Premier League while putting in place a clear style of play. He's more than good enough for what we'd need over the next five years or so.
Alan Curbishley must be worth a fiver each way?
Dean Smith wants it. 100%
John Carver, Paul Ince, Brian McDermott, Ian Dowie, Brian Laws, Micky Adams, Aidy Boothroyd, Mark McGee, Chris Hutchings.
Take your pick from those mouth watering options.
John Carver, Paul Ince, Brian McDermott, Ian Dowie, Brian Laws, Micky Adams, Aidy Boothroyd, Mark McGee, Chris Hutchings.
Take your pick from those mouth watering options.
Some more of these uk delights
Alan Shearer
Alan Buckley
Billy Davies
Gary Neville
Stuart Pearce
Gary Megson
Dave Jones
Dave Bassett
Simon Grayson
Ricky Sbragia
Graham Westley
Gramae Souness
Glenn Roeder
Nigel Spackman
And weasel features Steve Cotterill
I wouldn't mind Lennon, a packed Villa Park, imagine all the people.:D :D
I can’t say why for professional reasons but if you’ve got a few quid spare, you’ll pay for Xmas with a few quid on Peter Reid
I’m deleting this in 10 mins to protect the source.
Surely it’s not a proper Villa manager search poll without Curbs on the listTold not to apply until he can pronounce Birmingham.
Sammy chung.
Whoever the owners go for (and we all have our own preferences ) we all need to get right behind him and the team because the important thing is getting out of this division , the time for moaning etc is over we got shot of Bruce now we need to pull together
You've forgotten the mahogany messiah Phil Brown.John Carver, Paul Ince, Brian McDermott, Ian Dowie, Brian Laws, Micky Adams, Aidy Boothroyd, Mark McGee, Chris Hutchings.
Take your pick from those mouth watering options.
Some more of these uk delights
Alan Shearer
Alan Buckley
Billy Davies
Gary Neville
Stuart Pearce
Gary Megson
Dave Jones
Dave Bassett
Simon Grayson
Ricky Sbragia
Graham Westley
Gramae Souness
Glenn Roeder
Nigel Spackman
And weasel features Steve Cotterill
i realise my plea for us all to pull together has flaws ...Whoever the owners go for (and we all have our own preferences ) we all need to get right behind him and the team because the important thing is getting out of this division , the time for moaning etc is over we got shot of Bruce now we need to pull together
Agreed.
Unless it's the Wally, Curbishley, Moyes or Pardew. If it's one of them, Risso can open the relevant thread.
It does, we’ve suffered to much dross at management level over the past few years.i realise my plea for us all to pull together has flaws ...Whoever the owners go for (and we all have our own preferences ) we all need to get right behind him and the team because the important thing is getting out of this division , the time for moaning etc is over we got shot of Bruce now we need to pull together
Agreed.
Unless it's the Wally, Curbishley, Moyes or Pardew. If it's one of them, Risso can open the relevant thread.
BUT....all the pissy-fitting in the world wont change it once appointed so even if its Moyes or Allardyce we should stick it to the bloody media and get behind them (For at least 10 games, then wish death upon them and throw vegetables at them. unless they have managed anyone within a 10mile radius of birmingham, then they get 5 games and we wish death upon their whole family)It does, we’ve suffered to much dross at management level over the past few years.i realise my plea for us all to pull together has flaws ...Whoever the owners go for (and we all have our own preferences ) we all need to get right behind him and the team because the important thing is getting out of this division , the time for moaning etc is over we got shot of Bruce now we need to pull together
Agreed.
Unless it's the Wally, Curbishley, Moyes or Pardew. If it's one of them, Risso can open the relevant thread.
I can’t say why for professional reasons but if you’ve got a few quid spare, you’ll pay for Xmas with a few quid on Peter Reid
I’m deleting this in 10 mins to protect the source.
Your sauce is screwed mate.
David Moyes is near on evens at all the bookies
there is something in this,
i'm not saying he will be the next manager but its more than a few people putting a tenner on to back him down to 6/5
i'm still in pant wetting mode
David Moyes is near on evens at all the bookies
there is something in this,
i'm not saying he will be the next manager but its more than a few people putting a tenner on to back him down to 6/5
i'm still in pant wetting mode
Well if you're not saying that, what are you implying?
It was mentioned earlier that this is going to be a very, very small market for the bookies, and it's really not going to take much more than a few people putting a tenner on to back him down to 6/5
Relax, stay dry, not gunna happen.
*kisses fingers, touches framed McLeish photo*
If Mendez is involved and fonseca is his client.....
Dean Smith's interview seems to me to be him saying if it was offered to me I'd have it in the blink of an eye.
If Mendez is involved and fonseca is his client.....
He is involved I suspect. But he's not one of his clients.
If Mendez is involved and fonseca is his client.....
He is involved I suspect. But he's not one of his clients.
Oh I just read he was
Dean Smith's interview seems to me to be him saying if it was offered to me I'd have it in the blink of an eye.
My take too. For now I'm Brentford manager. If offered he'd walk here
Keep calm comrades, it is going to be an amazing appointment!!
Moyes did not want us when we wanted him and was contemptuous of our approaches. He can do one.
It had better not be David fecking Moyes. I'd actually take Allardyce and maybe even McCarthy over him.I absolutely don't want it to be Moyes, but I've no idea what he's done to be lumped in with the likes McCarthy, Pardew etc? Everton were a very decent side and we've seen subsequently what a poisoned chalice post Fegie Man U was and Sunderland was always a lost cause.
Alan Nixon
Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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Heard of three major names who think they have a chance ... bizarre.
It's Morenio isn't it?Keep calm comrades, it is going to be an amazing appointment!!
Come on Mr/Mrs Spires, let's not leave it there...
Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Alan Nixon
Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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11h
Heard of three major names who think they have a chance ... bizarre.
I take it that's Moyes, Mick and another who think they have a chance when they don't?
It's Morenio isn't it?Keep calm comrades, it is going to be an amazing appointment!!
Come on Mr/Mrs Spires, let's not leave it there...
It's Morenio isn't it?Keep calm comrades, it is going to be an amazing appointment!!
Come on Mr/Mrs Spires, let's not leave it there...
Its Mr Three Spires Villa, and its not Morenio. Just for clarity I havent got a clue! Just hopeful ha ha
Jose?
If Mendez is involved and fonseca is his client.....
He is involved I suspect. But he's not one of his clients.
Oh I just read he was
And hasn't he already said he's not swapping CL football for The Championship?
Mourinho even lolIt's Morenio isn't it?Keep calm comrades, it is going to be an amazing appointment!!
Come on Mr/Mrs Spires, let's not leave it there...
Alan Nixon
Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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11h
Heard of three major names who think they have a chance ... bizarre.
If Mendez is involved and fonseca is his client.....
He is involved I suspect. But he's not one of his clients.
Oh I just read he was
And hasn't he already said he's not swapping CL football for The Championship?
Smoke and mirrors, mate, all smoke and mirrors...
Please god, not another dour Scotsman.Also rules out K.Mac judging by his demeanour at the press conference this morning.
I think I would really consider taking up rail timetable collecting or something if Moyes was given the job.
Allardyce absolutely, McCarthy no thanks. Seeing Darren Moore pick up manager of the month after nearly keeping baggies up last year combined with Lampard producing the goods at derby has got me back to thinking a punt on one of the lads with little experience is as good an option as most. Arteta, Henry, Terry have all worked with the best in the world.
.
I was even thinking how good it would be to get in Arsene Wenger as technical director and Henry or Arteta as 1st team coach
Please god, not another dour Scotsman.Also rules out K.Mac judging by his demeanour at the press conference this morning.
I think I would really consider taking up rail timetable collecting or something if Moyes was given the job.
I know he is disappointed his mates have gone (he said it) and I know it’s not his main job, but bloody hell, let’s try and show just a little bit of enthusiasm FFS.
Well i think we can put to bed the theory they had someone lined-up unless they announce someone today.
Well i think we can put to bed the theory they had someone lined-up unless they announce someone today.
It had better not be David fecking Moyes. I'd actually take Allardyce and maybe even McCarthy over him.I absolutely don't want it to be Moyes, but I've no idea what he's done to be lumped in with the likes McCarthy, Pardew etc? Everton were a very decent side and we've seen subsequently what a poisoned chalice post Fegie Man U was and Sunderland was always a lost cause.
Is there anyone stationed at BHX checking incoming flights?
Klinsmann ?Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Klinsmann ?Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Well i think we can put to bed the theory they had someone lined-up unless they announce someone today.
Not necessarily. They may have wanted to leave it a few days to let the dust settle after Bruce's sacking and possibly to make it look like they didn't actually have anyone previously lined up.
Well i think we can put to bed the theory they had someone lined-up unless they announce someone today.
Why?
It would onlynhave been immediate if the one lined up was out of work.
There’s also the possibility if it’s an existing manager they wait until after the weekend so they can focus on the game. That being us for our game and any incoming manager on theirs.
Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Why?
People talk all the time. It might not be quite cricket, but I doubt we ever make a bid for a player without speaking to the agent first.
It’s Moyes isn’t it.
It’s Moyes isn’t it.
Klinsmann ?Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Dalglish?????
No, sorry, my mistake, I thought you said Klansman.
Klinsmann ?Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Dalglish?????
No, sorry, my mistake, I thought you said Klansman.
Boaby? Jack? Victor? Ask Isa...she'll know!
New Managerwatch: fans going tomorrow will have to study the stands at for any familiar footballing faces and post on here for the rest of us ASAP.
Sounds like it could be One of the Usual Suspects, though.Perhaps Moyes, Mick & Sam will be sitting together just to confuse us all!
Keegan? Appropriate: his teams never had a defence so he'd be a good fit for us! :D
It’s Moyes isn’t it.
Moyes has not been contacted.Where are you hearing this from Ads? Sounds like great news
It's not Moyes. Thank God.
I'm going to stick a reaonable amount on Henry at Corals. See if it affects the odds at all.
Dwight Yorke. He's spouting again...
Moyes has not been contacted.
It's not Moyes. Thank God.
He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
I'm going to stick a reaonable amount on Henry at Corals. See if it affects the odds at all.
Was 5/1, now 5/2!
To sum up then, don't get your knickers in a twist about bookies' odds.
Now, it had better bloody well be Thierry Henry!
Are we allowed to start a Moyles out! thread on the day he's appointed? No fucking way i'm waiting and seeing this time. Wasted 3 seasons that way with Nan's hair
Are we allowed to start a Moyles out! thread on the day he's appointed? No fucking way i'm waiting and seeing this time. Wasted 3 seasons that way with Nan's hair
Ralph Hassenhüttl. Has to be.Ive seen this name floated about. Is he any good?
Are we allowed to start a Moyles out! thread on the day he's appointed? No fucking way i'm waiting and seeing this time. Wasted 3 seasons that way with Nan's hair
Yeah Chris Moyles out !! :D
I don't like the sound of MacDonald saying the manager should be watching on Saturday. That seems to suggest it's an out of work chancer like Henry or Moyes.
Or MacDonald could just be making it up.
He didn't do that bad at West Ham but can understand why anyone would find it an incredibly boring appointment.
I would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
Moyes has not been contacted.
It's not Moyes. Thank God.He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Glad we've cleared that one up then!
Ralph Hassenhüttl. Has to be.Ive seen this name floated about. Is he any good?
It’s Dwight for me. And look who’s recommending him.
Yorke said: “I know I can go in there, play good football and get them promoted. When I see Villa struggling, I want to help. People associate me with Man United but Villa is where it all started for me.
“I’ve got a burning ambition, so much belief and commitment. I’ve got a connection with the fans and surely having that rapport will give you a massive advantage.
Yorke in London last month (Image: REUTERS)
“I’ve seen the club suffer the disappointments, the heartache and the pain. There’s been too many changes, too many wrong appointments for me to turn my back on it.
“We have to make sure Villa gets back where it belongs. It’s a great club. The whole place, the fans, everyone, needs something different, a fresh start and I feel I can give that excitement at the club.
“I’ve got a recommendation from Sir Alex. I’ve got his backing and he says that if I need his support then he’s on the end of the phone. He wouldn’t say that unless he believed I could do the job.
I would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Denis Mukwege is trending on TwitterOh, there's other stuff going on in the world...
I would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Sounds like Mourinho this season!
I'm just sick to the back teeth of being linked with dinosaurs full stop.
I can't think of anyone linked that I'd be overjoyed with but;
Happy enough, sounds like a plan
Benitez
Rogers
Fonseca
Risky but should be an improvement
Henry
Smith
Terry
Err, underwhelmed...
Moyes
Alladyce
Get fucked
Yorke
McCarthy
Hmm... where have we heard that one before.
He also added:
"I’m sitting in Dubai, if you could see the view from my apartment then you’d think I was nuts, but I’d love to get into management. I wouldn’t go anywhere near it unless I thought I could do the job".
Sounds like he has really got his finger on the pulse.
Also, Hassenhüttl was a striker. I'm bored of being bogged down by solid former defenders and workaday once upon a time midfielders.
Ex Players - thanks but no thanks. We are not a basket case but a high profile massive football institute.
My take is that there is no real outstanding character out there who is not in a job. Take Rafa any day, any minute, any second.
I can't think of anyone linked that I'd be overjoyed with but;
Happy enough, sounds like a plan
Benitez
Rogers
Fonseca
Risky but should be an improvement
Henry
Smith
Terry
Err, underwhelmed...
Moyes
Alladyce
Get fucked
Yorke
McCarthy
He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Irrelevant news but I play as defence midfielder and understand about attacking football
He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Another excuse-laden barsteward.
No ta.
If that Nixon fella says there's a big name in the frame that hasn't been publicly mentioned yet it might be:
Koeman (expressed interest before)
Prandelli
or Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
QuoteHmm... where have we heard that one before.
He also added:
"I’m sitting in Dubai, if you could see the view from my apartment then you’d think I was nuts, but I’d love to get into management. I wouldn’t go anywhere near it unless I thought I could do the job".
Sounds like he has really got his finger on the pulse.
Yes Dwight, I do think you're nuts but it's nothing to do with the view out of your window, it's the shit that comes out of your mouth.
I think the recommendation he got from Ferguson was 'never try to become a football manager you flipping lunatic.'
Irrelevant news but I play as defence midfielder and understand about attacking football
Why are you not in the frame then?
I can't begin to think just how far beneath him Moyes would think our job is.I think he would consider it the best possible job he could hope for at the moment. He's been sacked by West Ham and Sunderland FFS.
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Ex Players - thanks but no thanks. We are not a basket case but a high profile massive football institute.
My take is that there is no real outstanding character out there who is not in a job. Take Rafa any day, any minute, any second.
Yes Rafa would be comfortably my first choice of those mentioned. If we could get him.
Dwight Yorke. He's spouting again...
Irrelevant news but I play as defence midfielder and understand about attacking football
Why are you not in the frame then?
You don't know he's not...
I can't begin to think just how far beneath him Moyes would think our job is.I think he would consider it the best possible job he could hope for at the moment. He's been sacked by West Ham and Sunderland FFS.
A real left-field and modern idea: Hope Powell ex England women's?I really hope one day she, or another woman, makes it as a successful manager in the mens game. But I certainly wouldn't want us to be the club that takes the gamble that it's an achievable goal.
QuoteHmm... where have we heard that one before.
He also added:
"I’m sitting in Dubai, if you could see the view from my apartment then you’d think I was nuts, but I’d love to get into management. I wouldn’t go anywhere near it unless I thought I could do the job".
Sounds like he has really got his finger on the pulse.
Yes Dwight, I do think you're nuts but it's nothing to do with the view out of your window, it's the shit that comes out of your mouth.
I think the recommendation he got from Ferguson was 'never try to become a football manager you flipping lunatic.'
I know someone who did a coaching badge with him at St. George's Park a couple of years ago and he didn't even show up on the first day apparently (Sherwood turned up one of the days apparently and during a conversation about conditioning said that he "didn't bother with any of that f@cking b@llocks"). Ex-players like Yorke just want to walk into a big managerial job because of the money and the return to the limelight it would bring them.
If York wants to be a manger.......
well done!If York wants to be a manger.......
It’s a 5-letter name and you get it wrong.....
His spelling of "manager" leaves something to be desired, too.yep, you too. No excuse.
'skillz, it was indeed a frustrated dig at the tired old uninspiring names trotted out, rather than any hard and fast belief or reasoning!
But still, fuck pastels, let's get vivid.
Lang lebe die revolution.
well done!If York wants to be a manger.......
It’s a 5-letter name and you get it wrong.....
Dwight Yorke has thrown his hat in the ring.
I suggest we throw it back at him.
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
Alan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.Louis van Gaal?
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
Surely he’s going for the football fest that awaits.....
It the jump straight to top attitude that bothers me with someone like Yorke (along with the fact that I suspect he'd be shit) and it's why i wouldn't take Terry either. I'm ok with someone who has done an assistant or coaching job and looking for their first manager job though so I'm ok with Henry and Arteta (I think the latter will do well for someone very soon).
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
He'll be lucky to get face value
Dwight Yorke. He's spouting again...
Well done to him for passing his level B coaching badge but if he wants to be Villa manager so badly and apparently has done for quite a while why hasn't he bothered cutting his teeth in management at any level to prove himself. If a fondness for the club was enough to qualify you for the job all of us on here would be on a shortlist along with Tom Hanks, Nigel Kennedy and Prince William.
Marc Overmars currently Ajax Director of Football has tweeted photos of tickets to tomorrow's game..
It's fake.
His spelling of "manager" leaves something to be desired, too.
Moyes has not been contacted.
It's not Moyes. Thank God.He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Glad we've cleared that one up then!
Moyes has not been contacted.
It's not Moyes. Thank God.He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Glad we've cleared that one up then!
ha ha
me and adds have been disagreeing on here for the last two years no need to stop now
Roberto Martinez has said that he is not aware of any contact between us and Henry.I can confirm that I too am unaware of any contact between us and Henry.
Roberto Martinez has said that he is not aware of any contact between us and Henry.I can confirm that I too am unaware of any contact between us and Henry.
The problem is we are not as an attractive proposition as a majority of fans think.
I understand most fans only see the good in the club, that's natural. But there is some huge delusion going on with some of these suggestions.We won'tbget someone like Benitez, Dyche,Howe etc. Why would they leave where they are?
Sad fact is due to half a decade or more of mismanagement, poor decisions etc we find ourselves looking and having to consider not the most sexy or glamourous appointments as the most viable ones.
Roberto Martinez has said that he is not aware of any contact between us and Henry.I can confirm that I too am unaware of any contact between us and Henry.
The problem is we are not as an attractive proposition as a majority of fans think.
I understand most fans only see the good in the club, that's natural. But there is some huge delusion going on with some of these suggestions.We won'tbget someone like Benitez, Dyche,Howe etc. Why would they leave where they are?
Sad fact is due to half a decade or more of mismanagement, poor decisions etc we find ourselves looking and having to consider not the most sexy or glamourous appointments as the most viable ones.
Moyes has not been contacted.
It's not Moyes. Thank God.He’s odds on now
Just heard from my son who has a source who works at Villa and he says it’s definitely going to be Moyes
Glad we've cleared that one up then!
ha ha
me and adds have been disagreeing on here for the last two years no need to stop now
I hope just this once you're wrong, John.
It's not MoyersITK?
The problem is we are not as an attractive proposition as a majority of fans think.
I understand most fans only see the good in the club, that's natural. But there is some huge delusion going on with some of these suggestions.We won'tbget someone like Benitez, Dyche,Howe etc. Why would they leave where they are?
Sad fact is due to half a decade or more of mismanagement, poor decisions etc we find ourselves looking and having to consider not the most sexy or glamourous appointments as the most viable ones.
If, and it's a big if, we aren't in the shit over Financial Fair Play, we are one of the most attractive clubs around. Guaranteed millions in wages. A potentially huge transfer kitty. Famous stadium, large fanbase, massive potential.
Only downside is that, in order to start tapping into that potential, you have to inspire us to finish above pointless teams like Middlesbrough and Brentford, and get us promoted. It's hardly cracking Enigma.
Absofuckinglutely loads of top class managers would be enticed by that, if we make it sound attractive.
Or we could just talk ourselves down, like some of our own fans do, and settle for some shite like Moyes or a total punt like Henry.
if they are dumb enough to employ Dave then they deserve every bit of misfortune going. And attendances of about three.Genuinely this would be the final straw for me.
It's not MoyersITK?
if they are dumb enough to employ Dave then they deserve every bit of misfortune going. And attendances of about three.
I’m reminding myself that we had an imbecile running things back then whereas these new owners surely know what they are doing.You'd have thought so but appointing Moyes would undermine that belief significantly.
People on twitter talking about Paulo Sousa leaving his club in China yesterday and the fact he is a Mendes client. I can’t say I know anything about him.
Hmmmm, just read up about him on Wiki......had more clubs than Tiger Woods......no thanks.
It the jump straight to top attitude that bothers me with someone like Yorke (along with the fact that I suspect he'd be shit) and it's why i wouldn't take Terry either. I'm ok with someone who has done an assistant or coaching job and looking for their first manager job though so I'm ok with Henry and Arteta (I think the latter will do well for someone very soon).
You can see that the likes of Terry, Lampard and Gerrard have the credentials though, leaders, captains, brilliant proffesionals that had long careers at the very top. Yorke made it at the Villa, had a couple of good years at Man Utd and then became something of a playboy footballer in his late twenties onwards. He also never lead or captained anyone as far as I can remember.
Moyes comes pretty close to my least favoured managerial appointment.Come on you have to make them all joint number 1.
Which probably looks like this:
1. Shteve
2. Moyes
3. Pardew
4. McCarthy
5. Allardyce.
"I don't know what Brendan's tactics were, if he had any. Poor defending, lazy passing, no real movement off the ball.
Salzburg were excellent but they are not a big team from a big country."
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
I fear Rodgers may be damaged goods. He got given his arse on a plate last night by Marco Rose's Salzburg. Reading some of the comments post match, it all sounded very familiar:Quote"I don't know what Brendan's tactics were, if he had any. Poor defending, lazy passing, no real movement off the ball.
Salzburg were excellent but they are not a big team from a big country."
More here (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-boss-brendan-rodgers-doesnt-13367873).
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.
I fear Rodgers may be damaged goods. He got given his arse on a plate last night by Marco Rose's Salzburg. Reading some of the comments post match, it all sounded very familiar:Quote"I don't know what Brendan's tactics were, if he had any. Poor defending, lazy passing, no real movement off the ball.
Salzburg were excellent but they are not a big team from a big country."
More here (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-boss-brendan-rodgers-doesnt-13367873).
My only consolation with that is Marco Rose is a brilliant coach but it does raise lots of question marks against Rodgers!
With Yorke he has to start somewhere. And seems well connected within the game
said he spoken to Sir Alex Ferguson and former Villa boss Tim Sherwood for advice.
If other candidates are being touted with little experience such then Yorke deserves an interview and he's probably angling for one. And he talks positively and seems encouraging that he wants to play attacking football I wouldn't rule him out but I think the owners may have a bigger name lined up
Yorke said this
"It's a job I'm 100% interested in. I've made it clear I'd like to speak to the club"
"I've sent in my CV and I'm trying to make contact with the CEO, so I'm doing everything from my side to try and make sure I'm given that opportunity to speak to the football club.
"I've seen managers come and go over the past five years, I feel the club need something new going forward."
I feel I am the person who played for the club, understands the club and understands what the fans are expecting, but most importantly I feel I can bring a winning mentality back," he added.
"I think there is a lack of belief throughout the football club. Anyone who knows me as a person knows I'm very positive, I like to see attacking football, I want to see people playing with a smile on their face."
Paulo Sousa is a just an overseas version of jobs for the compadresAnd Yorke is?
Didn’t he kiss the Man Ure badge once when he scored against us?!
Dwight Yorke, the man so desperate to be a manager that he never seems interested in starting further down the leagues, instead thinks he should be gifted a job at a big club. Twat.
Moyes is starting to drift in the betting now thank god. Let’s never speak of him again!Henry has moved up to 5/4.
Moyes is starting to drift in the betting now thank god. Let’s never speak of him again!
YAY!Quote
Henry has moved up to 5/4.
Oh for fuck's sake.
Rui Faria the latest rumour?
Yorke is as likely to win manger of the year, as father of the year.Whilst the mother is nominated for "Minger of the year"
Nobody really has a clue. That's the key thing here. We'll maybe find out early next week I reckon.
Moyes is starting to drift in the betting now thank god. Let’s never speak of him again!I remember being relieved when McClaren drifted in the betting. Next day McLeish was appointed. Just sayin....
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
Aaron Geeschring I've heard.with his Scottish assistant Jock Stuart Trap
Moyes is starting to drift in the betting now thank god. Let’s never speak of him again!
YAY!Quote
Henry has moved up to 5/4.
Oh for fuck's sake.
That's my fault, I've put 3 quid on Henry
Moyes is starting to drift in the betting now thank god. Let’s never speak of him again!I remember being relieved when McClaren drifted in the betting. Next day McLeish was appointed. Just sayin....
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Whoever we have on our Chopin list I hope it pleases the Holst EndNigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Wouldn't be top of my Liszt either
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Wouldn't be top of my Liszt either
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Wouldn't be top of my Liszt either
No, it would un’ravel’ very quickly
Somebody posted a picture of Ranieri boarding flight to London on twitter.
I'd take that after fearing Moyes today.
Nigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Wouldn't be top of my Liszt either
No, it would un’ravel’ very quickly
Whoever it is I hope the owners are Bizet getting it done
I reckon Zidan is hand delivering his cv.
Ranieri would be fascinating. Wonder if he'd bring Terry with him.That combo sounds wonderful after all the Moyes rumours.
Ranieri? Yes please.
I cant imagine Henry being a good manager.
just keep your hands off our Neil Warnock
Doilch yn fawr iawn
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
just keep your hands off our Neil Warnock
Doilch yn fawr iawn
just keep your hands off our Neil Warnock
Doilch yn fawr iawn
Erm...dammit?
You bar steward I have spilled a mouthful of finest grape juice all over the table.😂Rui Faria the latest rumour?
Sven’s ex girlfriend?
Thanks RCF for the info😆Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Ranieri would be a great appointment in my opinion
it's obvious from all the posts above we need someone who`s composedNigel Kennedy would explode with joy if we got a manager from Salzburg.Or one who got us Bach in the Premier League
Until the transfer window we need a manager who can get the Mozart of the players we’ve already got.
I'd like Dean Smith but not sure he can Handel the pressure.
He'll be on a Haydn to nothing.
Wouldn't be top of my Liszt either
No, it would un’ravel’ very quickly
Whoever it is I hope the owners are Bizet getting it done
Whoever it is should immediately put all of our Goalkeepers on the transfer liszt
I like Ranieri because he's one one of the few on the list who can adapt from having limited players and limited money to having big money and top players. It was always my problem with Bruce in that if we went up he'd play the same way but with 20m players hoofing it instead of 5m ones. Anyway, anyone who can turn Albrighton into a title winner can't be that clueless
Someone with fresh and innovative ideas. Also it’s a squad full of attacking talent, so someone who can utilise that.
Ranieri would be a great appointment in my opinion
Mr Nice but with tactics makes a lot of sense for a season or two. I think the players would like him. He isn't great but seems a natural fit to what we have today. It won't be a revolution but he probably will get the job done.
Ranieri would be a great appointment in my opinion
Mr Nice but with tactics makes a lot of sense for a season or two. I think the players would like him. He isn't great but seems a natural fit to what we have today. It won't be a revolution but he probably will get the job done.
The way he got bombed out of Leicester was a bit of a disgrace. He likes the beautiful game and you don’t turn your nose up at managers who have won the PL in the last few years. It would be great if he also brings in someone to groom to replace him.
Ranieri would be a great appointment in my opinion
Mr Nice but with tactics makes a lot of sense for a season or two. I think the players would like him. He isn't great but seems a natural fit to what we have today. It won't be a revolution but he probably will get the job done.
The way he got bombed out of Leicester was a bit of a disgrace. He likes the beautiful game and you don’t turn your nose up at managers who have won the PL in the last few years. It would be great if he also brings in someone to groom to replace him.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.He is, but there are novices and novices. Terry and Faria are not comparable, for instance. I'd take either above any of the dinosaurs who have managed multiple clubs.
Yep that would be very good. That or Ranieri and Terry. Preferably the former option with Terry coming back to captain us to promotion.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.He is, but there are novices and novices. Terry and Faria are not comparable, for instance. But I'd take either above any of the dinosaurs who have managed multiple clubs.
I appreciate that and wouldn't want either, as while Faria has a lot of experience as a coatHe taught Mourinho how to parka the bus.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.He is, but there are novices and novices. Terry and Faria are not comparable, for instance. But I'd take either above any of the dinosaurs who have managed multiple clubs.
I appreciate that and wouldn't want either, as while Faria has a lot of experience as a coat, he's never had the pressure or been the number 1 decision maker. It's too big a job for a novice.
Terry, Henry, Faria, Arteta, no thank you.
If we are looking for an experienced coat is Kenny Jackett available?
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
A few names appeal to me and others don't but this manager business is a strange thing. Prior to his appointment if someone had said to me Southgate I would have said no thanks...yet their he is now manager of England.....It,s a funny old game
If we are looking for an experienced coat is Kenny Jackett available?
I appreciate that and wouldn't want either, as while Faria has a lot of experience as a coatHe taught Mourinho how to parka the bus.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
Not as much experience as your man, Bruce.
A few names appeal to me and others don't but this manager business is a strange thing. Prior to his appointment if someone had said to me Southgate I would have said no thanks...yet their he is now manager of England.....It,s a funny old game
I thought Wolves were stupid appointing Nuno, who I had never heard of.
Sooner or later we have to get lucky. It doesn't happen very often at Villa, in my time only Saunders, GT1, BFR, Little and MON* have been good appointments. We are due some luck surely.
*Yeah it didn't work out well in the end, but was great for a few years.
yep, i thought they were mental giving him the job
For any of the newbie group, it all comes down to how good the 2 people either side of them are. Henry may be a tactical genius or a brilliant coach, and the managers he has played under and coached with are certainly footballing types, but the assistant manager and the sporting director being right will allow him to do the job. Same for Terry etc.. A good coaching team and sporting director all pulling in the same direction should allow whoever gets it to thrive, no matter their experience.
If we are looking for an experienced coat is Kenny Jackett available?
I cant imagine Henry being a good manager.
You could be right.
I've been impressed with his tactical analysis on Sky.
A few on here have questioned his intelligence - I find him to be eloquent and personable. All things considered, I'd give him a go - I imagine he'd be able to attract decent, young players too.
Yes good call. Has a touch of the Keith Talents.
Mourinho has been a rich mans Pulis for the last 10 years.
His assistant does not fill me with hope.
Faria now gone favourite on SkyBet
de la Ney might be available.
I don't see what's inspiring about Faria.
de la Ney might be available.
We approached De La Soul. They say no go.
Darren Moore anyone?
I don't see what's inspiring about Faria.
Mark Delaney's U23s have just beaten Brizzle 8-0.Only watched last 15 mins but pass ,move and support play was excellent.Evidence of good coaching.
Mark Delaney's U23s have just beaten Brizzle 8-0.Only watched last 15 mins but pass ,move and support play was excellent.Evidence of good coaching.
He's been invovled with our youth teams for quite a while hasn't he after his early retirement?
Would've been nice if maybe he'd got the caretaker gig ahead of McDonald perhaps just to give him something to work towards in the future.
Mark Delaney's U23s have just beaten Brizzle 8-0.Only watched last 15 mins but pass ,move and support play was excellent.Evidence of good coaching.
He's been invovled with our youth teams for quite a while hasn't he after his early retirement?
Would've been nice if maybe he'd got the caretaker gig ahead of McDonald perhaps just to give him something to work towards in the future.
I would have liked Delaney in charge for tomorrows game, possibly cos the time when MON left and we had won first game at VP with the departing James Milner brilliant , we then went to Newcastle. I was in Turkey with lots of friends. Big group of us going up to watch the game in hotel and little bluenose lad came shouting you are 2-0 down Tone. The game had only just kicked off so I said yeh right Ryan. Got into the bar and it was 3-0 and we lost 6-0. Came down to dinner and they had 6 pints of beer for me (it was free, the bluenoses weren't paying)
Odds swinging wildly - odds on favourites today have been Moyes, then Faria now Henry again 4-6The correct answer.
Suggests they dont really have a sccoby
Terry, Henry, Faria, Arteta, no thank you.Whilst not sure about Faria myeself I think it’s a bit unfair to lump him with the other 3. He has been a fully qualified coach for a while now and has been working at major clubs. Terry and Henry are just Marquee names and we would do well to avoid them. Arteta has been going about it the right way but still would be a big gamble.
I don't see what's inspiring about Faria.
I don't mind taking a chance on a newby if he looks like he's got what it takes
my problem with Faria is he's only ever been with Mourinho a winner in the past but with dour stealth football, I just hope he's not going to try and replicate that style or we'll be back to watching paint dry
I don't see what's inspiring about Faria.
Odds swinging wildly - odds on favourites today have been Moyes, then Faria now Henry again 4-6The correct answer.
Suggests they dont really have a sccoby
No one does.
I hadn't realised that the Henry Winter interview that RCF linked to earlier in this thread was so recent. This is going to be the chap, I think.
Not sure what to make of it, if he is. I'll take him over Bruce all day long, however.
I hadn't realised that the Henry Winter interview that RCF linked to earlier in this thread was so recent. This is going to be the chap, I think.
Not sure what to make of it, if he is. I'll take him over Bruce all day long, however.
Reading a bit more about him, I think you might be right SE. There is obviously some kind of link with Mendes at the club and he represents Faria (as well as others it must be noted). There have also been murmurings about the club looking more for a head coach kind of figure as opposed to a more traditional type of manager and he again would fit that bill.
Circumspect evidence I accept, but I have a sneaking suspicion it could be him.
Mark Delaney's U23s have just beaten Brizzle 8-0.Only watched last 15 mins but pass ,move and support play was excellent.Evidence of good coaching.
totally free with this
He's been invovled with our youth teams for quite a while hasn't he after his early retirement?
Would've been nice if maybe he'd got the caretaker gig ahead of McDonald perhaps just to give him something to work towards in the future.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
Ignorance: 100%.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
Ignorance: 100%.
I am warning you your Marco Rose endorsement, mate. Would be a very interesting candidate.
Faria is another novice. No thanks.
Novice? You obviously haven't done your homework. Terry and Henry are the novices, Faria has played a major part in success of Mourinho. Whoever we bring in will be a risk but Faria would most certainly be on my shortlist.
Clubs managed: zero. He's a novice.
Ignorance: 100%.
I am warning you your Marco Rose endorsement, mate. Would be a very interesting candidate.
The bastard keeps winning, especially in Europe. Whilst he does that he's pretty much untouchable. Fuck you, Brendan Rodgers.
Every match report is heartbreaking. I'm beginning to hate him. Saying that, he can't be the only one out there. We just have to stop with the easy options. Rose is drawing far too much attention to his talents. The (talented) twat.
Lots of texts flying around tonight about ‘guests’ arriving in two B’bam hotels.
That is correct but my post is 100% true and accurate all the same.Roberto Martinez has said that he is not aware of any contact between us and Henry.I can confirm that I too am unaware of any contact between us and Henry.
Yeah but you weren't responsible for recently promoting him to Assistant Coach of the Belgium national side. Bobby M was.
Chris Kirkland has called us clowns for sacking Bruce. Dean Saunders saying it's crazy to sack Bruce and he's still the best man for the job. The ex footballer old pals act is making me feel fucking sick. We just need a manager who can play players in their proper positions and fill the gaping holes in our defence and we will be fine. I'm sure that any decent manager would get us promoted. I'm equally sure that Bruce was angling for the reported 1.7 million pound pay off with his bizarre antics this season so the ex footballer clique can go fuck themselves.Dean Saunders who had a win ratio of 25% at Wolves yeah thats a man who knows a good boas when he sees one
DON HOWE now thats a backard stepAlan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Is there anyone stationed at BHX checking incoming flights?Yes and so far my mom looks favourite after quitting her hotel in spain
he did ok??? 29% win rate is not ok in my opinion its crap its the same as lambert less than O'dreary and venglosI would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Do you mean CB at CB ,RB at RB etc?For any of the newbie group, it all comes down to how good the 2 people either side of them are. Henry may be a tactical genius or a brilliant coach, and the managers he has played under and coached with are certainly footballing types, but the assistant manager and the sporting director being right will allow him to do the job. Same for Terry etc.. A good coaching team and sporting director all pulling in the same direction should allow whoever gets it to thrive, no matter their experience.
I think this is one of the reasons that Dean Smith has been so good at that there Brentford, as was Mark Warburton as they have all the right people in the right places.
Agreed mate cant understad this love in for Henry he been an assistant for 2mins and all of a sudden hes he answer to all our prayersTerry, Henry, Faria, Arteta, no thank you.Whilst not sure about Faria myeself I think it’s a bit unfair to lump him with the other 3. He has been a fully qualified coach for a while now and has been working at major clubs. Terry and Henry are just Marquee names and we would do well to avoid them. Arteta has been going about it the right way but still would be a big gamble.
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Saw this on Twitter
he did ok??? 29% win rate is not ok in my opinion its crap its the same as lambert less than O'dreary and venglosI would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
David O'DReary finished 6th 10th 16th with a 35% in ratehe did ok??? 29% win rate is not ok in my opinion its crap its the same as lambert less than O'dreary and venglosI would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Show me any mid table PL manager who does better than 29%? Not an apologist for Moyes but to be fair to him, he rescued West Ham last season with their unbalanced squad. Monumentally underwhelming sums him up and is the wrong person because we don't need rescuing.
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Saw this on Twitter
DON HOWE now thats a backard stepAlan Nixon on Twitter has said that one very serious candidate isn't even in the bookies' favourites.
Villas Boas?
Van Bronckhurst?
Howe?
Did I imagine it or did someone say the other week that the new guy is going to be at today's game? Or that his agent is?
David O'DReary finished 6th 10th 16th with a 35% in ratehe did ok??? 29% win rate is not ok in my opinion its crap its the same as lambert less than O'dreary and venglosI would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Show me any mid table PL manager who does better than 29%? Not an apologist for Moyes but to be fair to him, he rescued West Ham last season with their unbalanced squad. Monumentally underwhelming sums him up and is the wrong person because we don't need rescuing.
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Saw this on Twitter
I thought FFP didn't count when it came to paying compensation to clubs for managers? Would kind of cast doubt over that tweet if that was the case.
I just don't see why Wenger would want that role
Did I imagine it or did someone say the other week that the new guy is going to be at today's game? Or that his agent is?
Kevin Mcdonald mentioned it yesterday apparently.
A Faria and Terry combo interests me. Faria name dropping Terry in a recent interview, saying what a big character he is and how easy he was to coach.
Faria is a committed boffin of football, and typically such people are quieter thinkers whereas Terry clearly has charisma and leadership skills. Between the two you could have a good partnership. The problem is which would assume the main role, plus there would be an absence of real management experience.
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
True, but wasn't Wagner Klopps assistant and he's done pretty well. I think sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyway, my new preference list based on rumours..
1. Wenger DOF, Henry Manager
2. Rafa
3. Faria Manager, Terry Player/Assistant
4. Rogers
5. Fonseca
I woundn't be too disappointed with the most likely option of just Henry coming in as manger on his own but any of the options above would be preferable.
I read somewhere that the reason Faria quit Man Utd was that he wanted to spend more time with his family? The basket case we are would not allow for that surely?Could be a convenient excuse?
Just as well, since neither are associated with this great club anymore.One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
I just think whoever it is, they're not going to want to work with that idiot Calderwood and Stephen "the most punchable face in football" Clemence.
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
The whole backroom staff are Bruce appointments. (Agnew aside perhaps) so makes sense that they go. Plus they were shit.
We need a whole new way forward.
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We need a whole new way forward.
Did I imagine it or did someone say the other week that the new guy is going to be at today's game? Or that his agent is?
I read somewhere that the reason Faria quit Man Utd was that he wanted to spend more time with his family? The basket case we are would not allow for that surely?
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
I felt exactly that. It appeared that they had identified the new man, contacted them and ascertained that he wanted his own men brought in. The top managers like SGT, BFR and Brian Little all brought in their own backroom team.
One thing that struck me was we didn't just bin Bruce, we binned his entire staff at the same time.
I wonder if that suggests firstly that we've had someone lined up, and secondly that they've got their own staff lined up?
I felt exactly that. It appeared that they had identified the new man, contacted them and ascertained that he wanted his own men brought in. The top managers like SGT, BFR and Brian Little all brought in their own backroom team.
I initially thought that they had someone lined up and they had had said they didn't want to keep any of them on. Just speculating, but if that was the case and it was someone who was out of work, the appointment would have been made straight away. That it hasn't been suggests they hadn't got someone lined up or the person has a game today to get out of the way first.
I read somewhere that the reason Faria quit Man Utd was that he wanted to spend more time with his family? The basket case we are would not allow for that surely?
Huddersfield had been tipped to be relegated from the Championship.The previous year they got rid of Chris Powell ,midseason I think,and brought in Wagner.Steer was on loan,so I had a look on their forum to see how he was doing ,sad anorak, it was full of comments about how superior Wagner was to Powell.True, but wasn't Wagner Klopps assistant and he's done pretty well. I think sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyway, my new preference list based on rumours..
1. Wenger DOF, Henry Manager
2. Rafa
3. Faria Manager, Terry Player/Assistant
4. Rogers
5. Fonseca
I woundn't be too disappointed with the most likely option of just Henry coming in as manger on his own but any of the options above would be preferable.
Didn't Wagner take Huddersfield up via a play off penalty shoot out after finishing sixth with a negative goal difference? Then just about keep them up last season with very few goals scored and that trend continuing into this season? If we appointed Wagner it seems we would be hoping to scrape our way up through the play offs and then just about survive if we did go up, all the while playing negative football. Basically the same plan we would have had if we had kept Bruce.
Place your bets on Faria and Terry .......let's just say , it's more than just a hunch :)
Henry is now 8/15
If Henry , who do we think he’d bring in as backroom team. Links with Marc overmars , STEVE bould ? Who else ?Might also have a few French contacts.The return of Remi.
Henry is now 8/15
I lost a decent chunk of change laying Alex McLeish at a similar price on Betfair for the Villa years back. Just couldn't believe Lerner was going to do something as stupid as hiring McLeish. In summary, betting on next manager markets is a mugs game.
Henry has always struck me in his media appearance as a Sherwood esque bluffer. He can learn his trade elsewhere.
True, but wasn't Wagner Klopps assistant and he's done pretty well. I think sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyway, my new preference list based on rumours..
1. Wenger DOF, Henry Manager
2. Rafa
3. Faria Manager, Terry Player/Assistant
4. Rogers
5. Fonseca
I woundn't be too disappointed with the most likely option of just Henry coming in as manger on his own but any of the options above would be preferable.
Didn't Wagner take Huddersfield up via a play off penalty shoot out after finishing sixth with a negative goal difference? Then just about keep them up last season with very few goals scored and that trend continuing into this season? If we appointed Wagner it seems we would be hoping to scrape our way up through the play offs and then just about survive if we did go up, all the while playing negative football. Basically the same plan we would have had if we had kept Bruce.
Did I imagine it or did someone say the other week that the new guy is going to be at today's game? Or that his agent is?
You watch everyone shit themselves when the camera pans to the crowd and Terry Hurlock or Brian Horne is spotted.
too right thats why i dont want us to suffer the tedium that moyes will be or any of the other so called safe hands ... im wary about henry due to his non managerial experience ... but whoever we appoint will get my 100% backing until results etc dictate otherwiseDavid O'DReary finished 6th 10th 16th with a 35% in ratehe did ok??? 29% win rate is not ok in my opinion its crap its the same as lambert less than O'dreary and venglosI would be monumentally underwhelmed if it was Moyes.
His record at West Ham :
West Ham United 7 November 2017 13 May 2018 31 9 10 12 29.03
Thats goals / won / drawn / lost / win%
He did okay there but thats the decision west ham made. Keep a guy who may keep you mid-table for 5 years, or try and push on with someone else a bit more progressive. Jury's out at the moment i guess. To me anyway, Moyes carries the scent of failure, probably from seeing his glum mug every 5 minutes after Man U took another beating
Show me any mid table PL manager who does better than 29%? Not an apologist for Moyes but to be fair to him, he rescued West Ham last season with their unbalanced squad. Monumentally underwhelming sums him up and is the wrong person because we don't need rescuing.
Technically better but still monumentally underwhelming
Wenger with Henry as is No 2 would be impressive and let Wenger have is way, let him shape the club, he's as tight as a badgers arse, he doesn't waste money, he can build a team recognizes talent, not frightened to give a player a kick up the backside, regardless of how god like that player thinks he is, recognizes youth talent and the economic growth of a club and whats needed, can't think of another manager that clued up...won't happen though.
Henry, flair, imagination, winning mentality, combine that with Arsene Wenger could be a winning combination.
I really don't think that Wenger will be joining Villa, in any capacity.
Smith is just showing again why he would be a good choice. Done an incredible job there, and would improve us no end.
No-one's mentioned Pardew yet, thank goodness!
Villa winning, new manager at the ground. Clearly it's Kevin Macdonald.
we are shite and frankly anyone considering taking us on needs their bumps feeling
I'm already feeling sorry for whoever gets to inherit the absolute shambles Bruce has left us in.
I'm already feeling sorry for whoever gets to inherit the absolute shambles Bruce has left us in.
Hey Eddie Howe
Fancy leaving Bournemouth in sixth and coming to villa in the lower reaches of the championship with once centre back and a shit keeper?
Yours, deluded of Aston
We shall soon find out (hopefully)Place your bets on Faria and Terry .......let's just say , it's more than just a hunch :)
Is an inkling more than a hunch? A rumour? A friend of a friend?
We shall soon find out (hopefully)Place your bets on Faria and Terry .......let's just say , it's more than just a hunch :)
Is an inkling more than a hunch? A rumour? A friend of a friend?
Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
Hey Eddie Howe
Fancy leaving Bournemouth in sixth and coming to villa in the lower reaches of the championship with once centre back and a shit keeper?
Yours, deluded of Aston
ha ha that would be the equivalent of chucking over one of the most beautiful women in the world for say Camila Parker Bowles
I think with moyes we may get the so called new manager boost but medium to long term can’t see glitter with the ginger one
Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
And waste how much longer treading water ?
We're not going up this season, that's already a given. And as we don't have money to spend next summer or even in January, the last thing we need are older cheque book managers that need to sign players rather than develop/work with what we already have IMHO
Give it someone willing to actually work with what we have and develop from there
I'm pleased to see your conversion.The turnaround of this great club will only happen when we have some decent coaching staff and a manager with some vision and a plan.Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
And waste how much longer treading water ?
We're not going up this season, that's already a given. And as we don't have money to spend next summer or even in January, the last thing we need are older cheque book managers that need to sign players rather than develop/work with what we already have IMHO
Give it someone willing to actually work with what we have and develop from there
But we won’t because the squad isn’t balanced and we can’t address that for months. It’s hit me hard today, very depressed about our prospects. When we were relegated I thought it would take 5-6 years to go back up. Third season in and we are still in a mess. I need cheering up!Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
And waste how much longer treading water ?
We're not going up this season, that's already a given. And as we don't have money to spend next summer or even in January, the last thing we need are older cheque book managers that need to sign players rather than develop/work with what we already have IMHO
Give it someone willing to actually work with what we have and develop from there
We could make play offs easy in this league
We could. Albion's defence is nearly as shit as ours but their manager has realised that rattling in goals means you still win most of your games.
Said it in the post match thread but I’ve changed my mind. I did want a young hungry manager in the Henry, Smith mould but after sitting through that shit, I think we need to go down another route.
Great to see optimism out there. It’s just hit me again tonight that we still have many overpaid players who aren’t much good and ffp hanging over us. New manager will have his hands tied. Mid table at best I reckon.We could. Albion's defence is nearly as shit as ours but their manager has realised that rattling in goals means you still win most of your games.
This
Anyone with any sense would be advised to stay well away from Villa Park, the only thing big about us now is our wage bill.The last sentence is very true.
Its going to take a hell of a lot more than just tinkering with this shower to turn it into a team.
I just can't see who of any quality would want it. We're an established Championship team paying premier league wages.
Great to see optimism out there. It’s just hit me again tonight that we still have many overpaid players who aren’t much good and ffp hanging over us. New manager will have his hands tied. Mid table at best I reckon.We could. Albion's defence is nearly as shit as ours but their manager has realised that rattling in goals means you still win most of your games.
This
We could. Albion's defence is nearly as shit as ours but their manager has realised that rattling in goals means you still win most of your games.
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
Almost every time he's called upon, he's got a free hit. Do it, Kev, go on, twat it, but no.
They might as well let one of us take charge for the day.
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
Almost every time he's called upon, he's got a free hit. Do it, Kev, go on, twat it, but no.
They might as well let one of us take charge for the day.
Exactly. He does nothing at all. Diddly fucking squat.
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes
Anyone with any sense would be advised to stay well away from Villa Park, the only thing big about us now is our wage bill.The last sentence is very true.
Its going to take a hell of a lot more than just tinkering with this shower to turn it into a team.
I just can't see who of any quality would want it. We're an established Championship team paying premier league wages.
In this league,there are a lot of sides with the same sort of potential ;Derby,Stoke,WBA,Boro,the Sheffield clubs,Forest and even Blues,who with good management could look to emulate what Bournemouth and Watford are achieving.Then you look at how massive Leeds and Villa could be.And Villa have some of the richest owners in football.
If FFP had realised some of its worst horrors and we had been forced to sell Chester,Grealish and some other experienced players,would our current league position been any worse under a decent manager who had to play some of the youngsters.
A mess of Bruce's making.But we have got rid of a dinosaur.Time to go forward.
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
The new manager is surely going to one to the conclusion that we will attack better with one or two of our £46m worth of wingers on the pitch and one or two of our strikers, like at the same time.
Revo-fucking-lutionary
The new manager is surely going to one to the conclusion that we will attack better with one or two of our £46m worth of wingers on the pitch and one or two of our strikers, like at the same time.
Revo-fucking-lutionary
Everything bar the back 4 is ready to go
I think the FFP penalty is overplayed, is it likely to be more than 12-14 points? With a proper manager that’s easily recoverable if we’re still in the division next year. Bruce has been costing us 1-2 points in most games this year.
The new manager is surely going to one to the conclusion that we will attack better with one or two of our £46m worth of wingers on the pitch and one or two of our strikers, like at the same time.
Revo-fucking-lutionary
Everything bar the back 4 is ready to go
back 5?
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
When I was googling yesterday in an attempt to find something that'd stop john e worrying himself to death, I saw this BBC headline come up in the 'news' results...
"David Moyes pulls out of running for Aston Villa job".
On closer examination, it transpired that it was dated 2016.
I wonder if whoever you heard from has spotted the same outdated article?
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
I don't get how he can be so good with the U-23s and so criminally abysmal with the first team.
that's because he doesn't COACH the U23 - Mark Delaney does
That was the ridiculous thing today. I know MacDonald is fatally discredited as a first team manager but to set us up like that in a definition-of-insanity, Bruce esque manner was pathetic.
I don't get how he can be so good with the U-23s and so criminally abysmal with the first team.
Delaney should get a chance next time we change managers.
Mac knows he has no chance of getting it full time so I suggest it was an air of getting the game out of the way from top to bottom.
Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes
OK then. David Moyes is really shit and had as much chance of getting the job as me.
Was Christian Purslow at Liverpool same time as Brendan Rogers ?
Was Christian Purslow at Liverpool same time as Brendan Rogers ?
I think when almost 100% of fans polled don’t want you it’s a wise move.Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
Or that he knows he’s got no chance, so he’s trying the save face.
OK BFS for us in that case.Was Christian Purslow at Liverpool same time as Brendan Rogers ?
He's the one that bought in Hodgson
I think when almost 100% of fans polled don’t want you it’s a wise move.Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
Or that he knows he’s got no chance, so he’s trying the save face.
I think I would like Wilder if he would come I think he would I instill a more determined attitude into the team.
A miracle?
Star are running that Rodgers would take it. Doubt we will get anything much better than him, been promoted, big club experience and good football.I agree and even if it is true that he can't organise a defence it won't matter, because we haven't got one.
I think I would like Wilder if he would come I think he would I instill a more determined attitude into the team.
Sheffield United is a club that in recent years has been solidly Championship-level, with occasional forays into the leagues above or below. I like Wilder but all he's really done is to restore their equilibrium. I think we need a bit more at the minute.
Edit: IF he'd come?! He'd fucking well come if we asked him!
I think I would like Wilder if he would come I think he would I instill a more determined attitude into the team.
Sheffield United is a club that in recent years has been solidly Championship-level, with occasional forays into the leagues above or below. I like Wilder but all he's really done is to restore their equilibrium. I think we need a bit more at the minute.
Edit: IF he'd come?! He'd fucking well come if we asked him!
Sheffield United were in League One for 6 years before he went there Nd got them promoted first season. Then he started last season really well before dropping off and you can sees what he's doing so far this.
I think he’d be exactly what we need. Then again I said that about MON, Lambert and Bruce.
I think he’d be exactly what we need. Then again I said that about MON, Lambert and Bruce.
I'd take another three consecutive top 6 Premier League finishes to be fair.
I think he’d be exactly what we need. Then again I said that about MON, Lambert and Bruce.
I'd take another three consecutive top 6 Premier League finishes to be fair.
But with the resources, goodwill and no Man City I think he under performed but that’s been done to death.
https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1048687739242237952
"Thierry Henry emerges as strong contender to become Aston Villa manager after initial talks with the club #avfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/06/thierry-henry-early-favourite-become-aston-villa-manager-initial/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @telefootball"
https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1048687739242237952
"Thierry Henry emerges as strong contender to become Aston Villa manager after initial talks with the club #avfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/06/thierry-henry-early-favourite-become-aston-villa-manager-initial/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @telefootball"
Interesting there about the technical director.
Suggests Henry -if he does go for the job- won't be under Wenger-style figure he already knows.
Personally, I'd go all out for Rodgers if there was any possibility there at all.
-Progressive football
-big club experience
-gained promotion previously
He also didn't have much of a career as a player, which seems to be a prerequisite for any half decent manager. The rest seem to feel the game owes them a living.
Rodgers....great in a one team league.
Strange how as soon as there is some decent competition in that league he is under massive pressure.
Not for me thanks.
Rodgers....great in a one team league.
Strange how as soon as there is some decent competition in that league he is under massive pressure.
Not for me thanks.
And how about getting Swansea up for the first time in decades..
One thing I will say about a novice manager. The last time we had one is the last time we looked a good side, however brief it was.
I wish we could pretend to have an average side while having Sterling, Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho, Skrtel, Sturridge, Kolo and so on in the squad.
https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1048687739242237952
"Thierry Henry emerges as strong contender to become Aston Villa manager after initial talks with the club #avfc https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/06/thierry-henry-early-favourite-become-aston-villa-manager-initial/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw via @telefootball"
Interesting there about the technical director.
Suggests Henry -if he does go for the job- won't be under Wenger-style figure he already knows.
Personally, I'd go all out for Rodgers if there was any possibility there at all.
-Progressive football
-big club experience
-gained promotion previously
He also didn't have much of a career as a player, which seems to be a prerequisite for any half decent manager. The rest seem to feel the game owes them a living.
Great point.
I wish we could pretend to have an average side while having Sterling, Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho, Skrtel, Sturridge, Kolo and so on in the squad.
Gerrard and Toure were more hindrance than help at that point. And that's before you even consider the handicap of having the likes of Mingolet, Johnson and Cissokho. Good attacking options, sure. But they weren't being tipped by many at the start of 13/14 as title contenders.
I wish we could pretend to have an average side while having Sterling, Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho, Skrtel, Sturridge, Kolo and so on in the squad.
Gerrard and Toure were more hindrance than help at that point. And that's before you even consider the handicap of having the likes of Mingolet, Johnson and Cissokho. Good attacking options, sure. But they weren't being tipped by many at the start of 13/14 as title contenders.
Yeah whoever decided Mignolet was worth 9 or 10 million is probably one to swerve.
or just rams home the reason he shouldnt have got it anyway, as he obviously lack the guts for a real challenge (if its true of course)Have heard Moyes has removed his name from the vacancy.
Say what you want about David Moyes but this is an indication of just how difficult the Villa job really is.
Win win all round then
Rodgers....great in a one team league.
Strange how as soon as there is some decent competition in that league he is under massive pressure.
Not for me thanks.
I'd prefer someone that looks at us as a stepping stone, certainly over seeing us as the best they'll ever do, even when we're in division 2. That will make them desperate to succeed otherwise they know there's no chance of ending up were they want.
SGT used us as a stepping stone to the England job. A job he'd never have got if he'd kept us in division 2 for a few years or had us as perennial top flight strugglers.
It's being the big pay cheque and having player/managers not desperate to reach the highest level that is part of the reason we've been shit for so long imo.
I'd rather they not rush it
Hate to split hairs, but Clough was an exceptional player constrained by the circumstances of the day (pre Jimmy Hill and George Eastham) and an untimely injured that ended his career.
And while, we’re at Guardiola and Pochettino were no slouches.
One thing I will say about a novice manager. The last time we had one is the last time we looked a good side, however brief it was.
One thing I will say about a novice manager. The last time we had one is the last time we looked a good side, however brief it was.
Trying to think here, but are you talking about John Gregory?
One thing I will say about a novice manager. The last time we had one is the last time we looked a good side, however brief it was.
Trying to think here, but are you talking about John Gregory?
Sherwood.
Really unsure about Henry.
All feels a bit meh and gives me worries that the season will just slip away.
On what planet are we in a position to scoff at Brendan Rodgers? We are in the gutter right now. Reading aside, which was a bizarre time, he’s got an excellent track record
It’s going to be Henry isn’t it.
Oh isn’t it great being a rich Arsenal fans (Sawiris) plaything. We’re like the Stormy Daniels of the Championship.
When was the last time I was proud to be a Villa supporter? Part of the pride? Another gimmick soundbite. We have no identity, the infrastructure is buggered, even AVTV is crap, our football is shocking, we supposedly have a great academy but where are the Gerrards, Rooney's or Cowans's? We have two new owners, third richest? Yet they must be as frustrated as the rest of us. I don't think we are in any position to scoff or thumb our noses at anyone like a Rodgers or a Smith anymore. The, er 'work' that Bruce put in over the last three months or so has seemingly decayed the club and we are worse now than we were under RDM, imo. The next Manager has so much work to do, the CEO needs to be claiming overtime to put this shit right. This is one of the reasons I don't want a novice, unless they bring in a squad of football people and broom the rest of the old shit out. Start again, and try to make us proud.
It’s going to be Henry isn’t it.
Oh isn’t it great being a rich Arsenal fans (Sawiris) plaything. We’re like the Stormy Daniels of the Championship.
If it's him I'll be behind him 100%.
I'd like to see us play at a higher tempo and with an attacking structure. Bit more balance to the side and keep that defence shielded with territory up the other end.
Yesterday we were so unbalanced in midfield and clueless.
The big worry for me is how Henry or anybody else for that matter gets a tune out of that defence until January. Yes organisation in midfield will help, but even in the context of recent squads, that combination of defenders and goalkeepers is astonishingly bad.
The big worry for me is how Henry or anybody else for that matter gets a tune out of that defence until January. Yes organisation in midfield will help, but even in the context of recent squads, that combination of defenders and goalkeepers is astonishingly bad.
The big worry for me is how Henry or anybody else for that matter gets a tune out of that defence until January. Yes organisation in midfield will help, but even in the context of recent squads, that combination of defenders and goalkeepers is astonishingly bad.
Far from ideal but even Collins would have helped against their big hoofball yesterday.
The big worry for me is how Henry or anybody else for that matter gets a tune out of that defence until January. Yes organisation in midfield will help, but even in the context of recent squads, that combination of defenders and goalkeepers is astonishingly bad.
My concern over Henry is that he is unlikely to build something. It could either be a disaster or if brilliant he won't be around for long. We need a structure set up with an identity. Looking at Wolves with more than a hint of jealousy.
My concern over Henry is that he is unlikely to build something. It could either be a disaster or if brilliant he won't be around for long. We need a structure set up with an identity. Looking at Wolves with more than a hint of jealousy.
Wasn't Allardyce something of a trailblazer, in that he was a very early proponent, in this country at least, of analytics and an holistic approach to coaching?
Shame then that his heroes appeared to be Charles Hughes and Don Howe.
Wasn't Allardyce something of a trailblazer, in that he was a very early proponent, in this country at least, of analytics and an holistic approach to coaching?
Shame then that his heroes appeared to be Charles Hughes and Don Howe.
He was forward thinking with data analytics etc, but don’t think it ever extended to coaching and style of play.
Sunday supplement just briefly discussed it and they were all unnanimous in saying a Henry would be a great apt. Also mentioned the whole pre requisite of needing championship experience is BS.
Sunday supplement just briefly discussed it and they were all unnanimous in saying a Henry would be a great apt. Also mentioned the whole pre requisite of needing championship experience is BS.
I saw a link on villa news now that an 11th hour consideration was patrick Vieira. There was a Nicko claim that a contender had not been mentioned as yet
?????
Easier said than done I know but.....&feature=youtu.be
If the article on the Daily Mail that it will be Henry and Terry is true, then it is a hell of a statement of intent.
If the article on the Daily Mail that it will be Henry and Terry is true, then it is a hell of a statement of intent.
If this is true, then I hope Terry can carry on playing for while. He might be starting to creak around the joints a bit, but he'd still be head and shoulders better than any of our current options.
His leadership qualities would be invaluable. We have missed them this season.
His leadership qualities would be invaluable. We have missed them this season.
How true!
His leadership qualities would be invaluable. We have missed them this season.
How true!
and he knows all the players already to hit the ground running
Are Henry and Terry friends? Seems unlikely given their respective dedication to London rivals. Seems cobbled together to me, if it is going to be Henry let him bring his people in.
Are Henry and Terry friends?Terry knows he is French but doesn’t realise he is black.
Have to say, nothing about the idea of this all-star player-manager supergroup fills me with any confidence at all.No it does not. This will end in tears in a very embarrassing fashion if it happens. We need a proper hard nosed super smart coach not football A list celebs.
Have to say, nothing about the idea of this all-star player-manager supergroup fills me with any confidence at all.
Imagine ending up with Moyes after all this.
It's fucking madness. We shouldn't be anyone's testing ground. We aren't some Mickey Mouse team like Fleetwood or Rangers.
A lot of places are running with the Henry-Terry story the way they did with Henry back in summer. This time I hope they're right. I'd rather Dean Smith but this combo option would be my next choice. Anything to avoid more of the same at this point tbh.
Have to say, nothing about the idea of this all-star player-manager supergroup fills me with any confidence at all.
Have to say, nothing about the idea of this all-star player-manager supergroup fills me with any confidence at all.
With Terry in essence would that not be the same role as he he last season, just now official?
Bruce is an experienced manager and just see where that has got us....possibly the worst defensive unit I have ever seen at villa park.
Bruce is an experienced manager and just see where that has got us....possibly the worst defensive unit I have ever seen at villa park.
So we rule out all experienced managers?
This is a huge gamble if it happens. I would have preferred if he came in with someone in as DOF.
From what I've read, whoever comes in as Manager, Terry is lined up to be Assistant/First team Coach.I can’t believe I would say this, but I really hope so. I was so impressed with him last season. He’s a real winner and loves the game.
From what I've read, whoever comes in as Manager, Terry is lined up to be Assistant/First team Coach.
I can’t help thinking that the former Chelsea number 26 is going to be in the style of the Stuart Pearce management/coaching, all about rolling your sleeves up and showing some PASHUN! That’s the nicest thing I can think of to say about him.
Bruce is an experienced manager and just see where that has got us....possibly the worst defensive unit I have ever seen at villa park.
So we rule out all experienced managers?
This is a huge gamble if it happens. I would have preferred if he came in with someone in as DOF.
I can’t help thinking that the former Chelsea number 26 is going to be in the style of the Stuart Pearce management/coaching, all about rolling your sleeves up and showing some PASHUN! That’s the nicest thing I can think of to say about him.
nah, he's probably the opposite of that. Certainly he was more into the preperation/diet/technical aspects of the game from what i could gather.
Bruce is an experienced manager and just see where that has got us....possibly the worst defensive unit I have ever seen at villa park.
So we rule out all experienced managers?
This is a huge gamble if it happens. I would have preferred if he came in with someone in as DOF.
Not saying rule out experienced managers.just saying that experienced managers are not always the answer.
Have to say, nothing about the idea of this all-star player-manager supergroup fills me with any confidence at all.
I can’t help thinking that the former Chelsea number 26 is going to be in the style of the Stuart Pearce management/coaching, all about rolling your sleeves up and showing some PASHUN! That’s the nicest thing I can think of to say about him.
Terry/Henry would be so persuasive to both attackers and defenders looking to develop that we’d have the pick of the signings in this league.So, do we know whether these two actually get on and whether there is the sort of chemistry that would survive the stresses of being in football management?
https://youtu.be/nykBFlHP23E
This Henry analysis of Barca shows he's got a lot of tactical insight
Appetising too.
Though you can imagine him saying to grealish and Bolasie: don't come too deep, hold your shape, trust your colleagues to find you
Now Alan, Neil, mile - just zip those balls into their feet
No try again
No to his feet mile
No . . . To . .
Jack, Yannick - just drop a bit deeper to pick those balls up
Terry/Henry would be so persuasive to both attackers and defenders looking to develop that we’d have the pick of the signings in this league.So, do we know whether these two actually get on and whether there is the sort of chemistry that would survive the stresses of being in football management?
I can see how they would bring something we've not seen down our way for a long, long time - since the Little, Evans, Gregory management team - but the question remains regarding their compatibility as a management duo.
Radio 5 Live are reporting that it will be Henry with Terry as number two.
I can’t help thinking that the former Chelsea number 26 is going to be in the style of the Stuart Pearce management/coaching, all about rolling your sleeves up and showing some PASHUN! That’s the nicest thing I can think of to say about him.
Surprised there hasn't been more talk of Patrick Vieira to be honest. Also very inexperienced, but more experienced than Arteta, let alone Henry.
Surprised there hasn't been more talk of Patrick Vieira to be honest. Also very inexperienced, but more experienced than Arteta, let alone Henry.
Arsenal seemed to have plucked out a good manager. 9 straight wins.
it's probably worked out well for Henry (if it is him ) that he didn't come in at the start of the season
after a couple of months of going nowhere with Bruce people have had enough and are more willing to take the plunge
if he had got a slow start at the start of the season people would have been saying we should have stuck with the experience of Bruce
He'l get more of a chance this way
as long as we're in the top 2 by Christmas obviously
Look where having ‘experienced’ and ‘knowledgeable’ management has got us.
The time has come for a shake up and fresh thinking.
If we can stay in touch with the top 7 teams until Christmas, while the new people find their feet and the players get used to playing a system, then the second half of the season could be very interesting.
I think Henry n Terry is a bit risky. I can see them getting us promoted, following that up with a league and cup double before fecking off to manage Arsenal and Chelsea. Wankers.
Look where having ‘experienced’ and ‘knowledgeable’ management has got us.
The time has come for a shake up and fresh thinking.
If we can stay in touch with the top 7 teams until Christmas, while the new people find their feet and the players get used to playing a system, then the second half of the season could be very interesting.
Spot on
Arsenal seemed to have plucked out a good manager. 9 straight wins.
He was hardly an unknown, even I had heard of him!
I think Henry n Terry is a bit risky. I can see them getting us promoted, following that up with a league and cup double before fecking off to manage Arsenal and Chelsea. Wankers.
Look where having ‘experienced’ and ‘knowledgeable’ management has got us.
The time has come for a shake up and fresh thinking.
If we can stay in touch with the top 7 teams until Christmas, while the new people find their feet and the players get used to playing a system, then the second half of the season could be very interesting.
Spot on
Agreed - I'm getting excited just thinking about this now. Mind you, I thought RDM and Steve Clarke was a really solid Managerial appointment too!!
Look where having ‘experienced’ and ‘knowledgeable’ management has got us.
The time has come for a shake up and fresh thinking.
If we can stay in touch with the top 7 teams until Christmas, while the new people find their feet and the players get used to playing a system, then the second half of the season could be very interesting.
Spot on
Agreed - I'm getting excited just thinking about this now. Mind you, I thought RDM and Steve Clarke was a really solid Managerial appointment too!!
It did look half decent on paper didn't it. Although I do think long term they would have turned it round and finished in a decent position that season. Unlike this season, we seemed to find ways to throw it away continuously under RDM and patience was very thin.
I think Henry n Terry is a bit risky. I can see them getting us promoted, following that up with a league and cup double before fecking off to manage Arsenal and Chelsea. Wankers.
I'd hate that.
I think Henry n Terry is a bit risky. I can see them getting us promoted, following that up with a league and cup double before fecking off to manage Arsenal and Chelsea. Wankers.
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.
If we had RDM now he'd have got longer. Although I wasn't fond of him there was certainly a feeling that we should have been firmly in first place as soon as we started the season.
I think Henry n Terry is a bit risky. I can see them getting us promoted, following that up with a league and cup double before fecking off to manage Arsenal and Chelsea. Wankers.
I’ll take that
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.
Something like this?
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Radio 5 Live are reporting that it will be Henry with Terry as number two.
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.
To be honest, if talksport said tomorrow was Monday, I’d probably check a calendar first.Radio 5 Live are reporting that it will be Henry with Terry as number two.
Talksport saying earlier that it could be announced as soon as tomorrow.
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.He doesn't have the experience, that's true, but that doesn't mean he's incapable, and he won't get that experience until he's tested. I think two rookies together would make it more of a gamble but I think the sea change it represents makes it a risk worth taking. Besides, I don't think we'll ever be relegated out of this division.
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.
Something like this?
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Wouldn’t the dreams be in his head and the harsh reality of Jedinak back passing the ball to our opponents, or Taylor getting fucking skinned be on the outside. Henry dreaming of Xavi, and having to pick Glenn Whelan...
The problem I have isn't with Henry's ideas, or Terry's abilities. The trouble is that he hasn't been on the side of the line where good ideas have to compromise with reality, and doesn't have the experience to know how and when to adjust when things aren't perfect. If that kind of thing gets out of hand then momentum can go against you very quickly.He doesn't have the experience, that's true, but that doesn't mean he's incapable, and he won't get that experience until he's tested. I think two rookies together would make it more of a gamble but I think the sea change it represents makes it a risk worth taking. Besides, I don't think we'll ever be relegated out of this division.
Bloke on BBC just now said 5 names we were interested in, of which Henry, Faria and Rogers were among them
Rodgers has ruled himself outTook his time. Perhaps decision is now made.
Lampard was a gamble but he isn't doing too bad.
I get your concerns Monty, but Henry has been coaching for 4-5 years now, so while I understand the concern, I think he will have been through that pain a little.
I get your concerns Monty, but Henry has been coaching for 4-5 years now, so while I understand the concern, I think he will have been through that pain a little.
4 or 5 years, where? Certainly news to me. 4 or 5 months. A 5 minute clip on how Pep worked doesn't do it for me, interesting as it is. We only have to look at the gulf in smart pundits and reality to see the management career of Gary Neville, a player that worked with the best.. and still he was shit.
Maybe tomorrow we'll all remove our beer goggles and things will look more real. It's bloody confusing today.
I get your concerns Monty, but Henry has been coaching for 4-5 years now, so while I understand the concern, I think he will have been through that pain a little.
4 or 5 years, where? Certainly news to me. 4 or 5 months. A 5 minute clip on how Pep worked doesn't do it for me, interesting as it is. We only have to look at the gulf in smart pundits and reality to see the management career of Gary Neville, a player that worked with the best.. and still he was shit.
Maybe tomorrow we'll all remove our beer goggles and things will look more real. It's bloody confusing today.
It's long than that, he was an u19 coach with Arsenal for a while after he retired and then he's been with Belgium for 2 years so he's probably got about 3 years of coaching experience in total.
I get your concerns Monty, but Henry has been coaching for 4-5 years now, so while I understand the concern, I think he will have been through that pain a little.
4 or 5 years, where? Certainly news to me. 4 or 5 months. A 5 minute clip on how Pep worked doesn't do it for me, interesting as it is. We only have to look at the gulf in smart pundits and reality to see the management career of Gary Neville, a player that worked with the best.. and still he was shit.
Maybe tomorrow we'll all remove our beer goggles and things will look more real. It's bloody confusing today.
I get your concerns Monty, but Henry has been coaching for 4-5 years now, so while I understand the concern, I think he will have been through that pain a little.
4 or 5 years, where? Certainly news to me. 4 or 5 months. A 5 minute clip on how Pep worked doesn't do it for me, interesting as it is. We only have to look at the gulf in smart pundits and reality to see the management career of Gary Neville, a player that worked with the best.. and still he was shit.
Maybe tomorrow we'll all remove our beer goggles and things will look more real. It's bloody confusing today.
He became assistant to Martinez in August 2016, so that's two and a bit years.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
Very true but let's not fool ourselves we know what we're getting.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
As concerned about novices as I am, you're right.
I wanted Fonseca, but the issue is by the time he's proven how good he is, somebody else has already given him an opportunity.
And before that was coaching the Arsenal youth team.
I think that there must be a few younger players who'll be glad to see the back of Bruce .Also there might be some young French players who would jump at the chance of working under Henry,perhaps reigniting the deal for U20 stopper,Moukoudi.
I think that there must be a few younger players who'll be glad to see the back of Bruce .Also there might be some young French players who would jump at the chance of working under Henry,perhaps reigniting the deal for U20 stopper,Moukoudi.
Not only French. Henry was/is a god to so many young players. There'd be a very big queue at Bodymoor Heath of kids from all over the world wanting to join our academy.
I really can not see how Henry and Terry will work together but let’s see🤔
I would prefer Smith but it looks like Henry and one of the positives could be in persuading players to join.I think that there must be a few younger players who'll be glad to see the back of Bruce .Also there might be some young French players who would jump at the chance of working under Henry,perhaps reigniting the deal for U20 stopper,Moukoudi.
Not only French. Henry was/is a god to so many young players. There'd be a very big queue at Bodymoor Heath of kids from all over the world wanting to join our academy.
At the end of the day his day to day job is the first team.
Still prefer Smith who has proven quality at this level.
Easier said than done I know but.....&feature=youtu.be
Can't wait to see him try to get some of our players who struggle to complete a five yard pass playing like that. It might be fun to watch, though.
Yes I hope it works like that TV but both are bigger than life characters with huge egos and I am sure not prepared to let anyone else piss on their own patch. It also disturbs me that the idea of this partnership is suggested by Purslow rather that T&A.I really can not see how Henry and Terry will work together but let’s see🤔
Why couldn’t they? One is the manager. The other will be his assistant who is also captain of the team enforcing those disciplines on the pitch until such time we find a suitable replacement. Both highly respected as players, both outstanding in their respective playing positions. If we then get in respected coaches who can implement the vision over time it should work.
Yes I hope it works like that TV but both are bigger than life characters with huge egos and I am sure not prepared to let anyone else piss on their own patch. It also disturbs me that the idea of this partnership is suggested by Purslow rather that T&A.I really can not see how Henry and Terry will work together but let’s see🤔
Why couldn’t they? One is the manager. The other will be his assistant who is also captain of the team enforcing those disciplines on the pitch until such time we find a suitable replacement. Both highly respected as players, both outstanding in their respective playing positions. If we then get in respected coaches who can implement the vision over time it should work.
Easier said than done I know but.....&feature=youtu.be
Can't wait to see him try to get some of our players who struggle to complete a five yard pass playing like that. It might be fun to watch, though.
OK Just on that alone i'm prepared to review my previous misgivings on his managerial abilities and if he does bring Terry back then perhaps it could be a real dream team and we might get to see some footbacl again.....
Easier said than done I know but.....&feature=youtu.be
Can't wait to see him try to get some of our players who struggle to complete a five yard pass playing like that. It might be fun to watch, though.
OK Just on that alone i'm prepared to review my previous misgivings on his managerial abilities and if he does bring Terry back then perhaps it could be a real dream team and we might get to see some footbacl again.....
Terry 'n' Terry I like it.I'm wary, it's very scary Thierry, Terry territory.
Terry 'n' Terry I like it.I'm wary, it's very scary Thierry, Terry territory.
We completely destroyed Wolves at our ground with Steve Bruce as manager. Off course we proceeded to throw it all away in the next game.
Terry 'n' Terry I like it.I'm wary, it's very scary Thierry, Terry territory.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
That's without a doubt true.
The Press 2020:Terry 'n' Terry I like it.I'm wary, it's very scary Thierry, Terry territory.
T 'n' T - an explosive combination!
Only problem I see with Thierry is we have a lot of Irish supporters who will not be very keen after his World cup hand ball.
The thing with Henry is that had he already proved himself as a manager elsewhere we probably wouldn't be able to get him. If we ever want him to manage us, now is the time.
That's without a doubt true.
But you could say the same about any former great player with no managerial experience.
It's exciting. But Rodgers would be a more sensible shout - proven big club experience etc
I think that there must be a few younger players who'll be glad to see the back of Bruce .Also there might be some young French players who would jump at the chance of working under Henry,perhaps reigniting the deal for U20 stopper,Moukoudi.
I forgive him, the fecker.Fair play!
I forgive him, the fecker.And the quickly taken free kick and goal against us courtesy of a nod and a wink from Mark f'ing Halsey!
Did we really interview Moyes and not Rodgers? I do wonder what logic gets applied sometimes.
Did we really interview Moyes and not Rodgers? I do wonder what logic gets applied sometimes.
Seems Terry has retired from playing.
I think Brendan and Dean are happy for us to flirt with them.Not so much Dean. He's got to either get promoted to get into the Premier or keep doing well with Brentford,not easy,to get a post at probably a club that's battling relegation in the Premier league.
Terry has announced his retirement from playing on Instagram
If Henry turns out to be a load of old toilet, where in B6 can I buy a garlic baguette & coquille saint jacques to throw at him?It’s a sign. I grow some garlic and have planted next years crop today. If thing don’t go well I’ll have the produce to sell next to the pork scratching man on Trinity Road.
Did we really interview Moyes and not Rodgers? I do wonder what logic gets applied sometimes.
Maybe we should get Rodgers as manager with Faria, Henry and Terry as coaches. I reckon that'd be a decent set up.Chuck in Moyes, Alladyce and Pardew for experience and we have nailed it.
I just saw Rodgers talking about the club on SSN, and that's the least convincing "I'm not interested" I've ever seen.
I just saw Rodgers talking about the club on SSN, and that's the least convincing "I'm not interested" I've ever seen.
If Henry turns out to be a load of old toilet, where in B6 can I buy a garlic baguette & coquille saint jacques to throw at him?It’s a sign. I grow some garlic and have planted next years crop today. If thing don’t go well I’ll have the produce to sell next to the pork scratching man on Trinity Road.
If the "TnT" combo is genuinely incoming - and I do doubt it, and haver over whether it's a good idea, and hope with all my heart that it comes off in every sense, both now and in a year/two/three's time - then is it fair to assume the man that they will be reporting to has also been recruited and is ready to take his seat on the board?If it's Thierry and Terry,I think Grimandi might be a good bet.Henry wanted him as no.2 at Bordeaux and a few years ago he applied for the DoF role at Arsenal.
You know, the as-yet relatively unspeculated over DoF who will be responsible for the whole "football thing", and is therefore of considerable influence over and importance to whoever gets to wear the training top with their initials on in the dugout.
I do wonder if Faria may be lined up for this role.
I just saw Rodgers talking about the club on SSN, and that's the least convincing "I'm not interested" I've ever seen.
As much as it “appears” that Henry is first choice I’m sure the club would be more than happy if an established manager like Rodgers has privately told them he’d be interested. The Celtic job always feels hollow. The chance to take on the challenge of bringing us up with the prospect of being in the PL with two incredibly rich owners might be very tempting.
Henry/Terry excites me - experience or not, they were both part of football dynasties and at the very top of the game - feel it would really motivate and inspire the team.And to underline that comparison,Jenas and Shearer were praising Ross Barkley's performance on MOTD2. Barkley is quoted as saying that he hadn't been coached much before.
I’d also be happy with Rodgers - a point to prove, for me he started Liverpool’s comeback from mediocrity and would instantly command respect.
And compared to Moyer, Allardyce, Yorke, Pardew, McCarhy etc - different class of football. They will need some time however - I do hope they are given that whomever it is. They start with a very poor overall squad with no balance whatsoever thanks to cabbage
Henry/Terry excites me - experience or not, they were both part of football dynasties and at the very top of the game - feel it would really motivate and inspire the team.
The football would be boring under Faria.
QuoteHenry/Terry excites me - experience or not, they were both part of football dynasties and at the very top of the game - feel it would really motivate and inspire the team.
It might give an initial uplift.
But as we have seen with Roy Keane and countless many others, it's only worth an intro.
If you act like a knob (Keane) or start to phone it in because you believe the job is beneath you (O'Leary) players soon get wise to that. It doesn't matter then what you achieved in your own playing career.
That's why there's a reasonable argument to go with a manager who had an undistinguished playing career. They have innovated as managers because they've had to. And once you start thinking that way, you're always looking to stay ahead of the curve. As opposed to a Strachan/ O'Neill/ Pardew deadhead.
In fairness to Terry, he did seem genuinely popular around the place and was cited by many players as a good example re training and preparation. If he is involved at all, I can't see him giving it any less than 100 per cent.
But the job being what it is is still too big for a pair of novices.
QuoteHenry/Terry excites me - experience or not, they were both part of football dynasties and at the very top of the game - feel it would really motivate and inspire the team.
It might give an initial uplift.
But as we have seen with Roy Keane and countless many others, it's only worth an intro.
If you act like a knob (Keane) or start to phone it in because you believe the job is beneath you (O'Leary) players soon get wise to that. It doesn't matter then what you achieved in your own playing career.
That's why there's a reasonable argument to go with a manager who had an undistinguished playing career. They have innovated as managers because they've had to. And once you start thinking that way, you're always looking to stay ahead of the curve. As opposed to a Strachan/ O'Neill/ Pardew deadhead.
In fairness to Terry, he did seem genuinely popular around the place and was cited by many players as a good example re training and preparation. If he is involved at all, I can't see him giving it any less than 100 per cent.
But the job being what it is is still too big for a pair of novices.
Oh come on. On what grounds do you base your claim that it will only be an initial uplift?
Also, is having a distinguished playing career another reason to lump against Henry, along with no experience? How about his skin colour? I haven't seen that mentioned yet.
The football would be boring under Faria.
I could live with boring..
Porto (2002–2004)
2002–03 Primeira Liga
2002–03 Taça de Portugal
2002–03 UEFA Cup
2003 Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira
2003–04 Primeira Liga
2003–04 UEFA Champions League
Chelsea (2004–2007)
2004–05 FA Premier League
2004–05 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2005–06 FA Premier League
2006–07 League Cup
2006–07 FA Cup
Internazionale (2008–2010)
2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2008–09 Serie A
2009–10 Serie A
2009–10 Coppa Italia
2009–10 UEFA Champions League
Real Madrid (2010–2013)
2010–11 Copa del Rey
2011–12 La Liga
2012 Supercopa de España
Chelsea (2013–2015)
2014–15 League Cup
2014–15 Premier League
Manchester United (2016– )
2016 FA Community Shield
2016–17 EFL Cup
2016–17 UEFA Europa League
The Treble (League, Cup and European trophies)
2002–03 with Porto: League, Cup and UEFA Cup
2009–10 with Inter Milan: League, Cup and UEFA Champions League
Faria can come back when he's won that lot rather just making the tea for the bloke that did :P
Henry and Terry don't strike me as the kind of guys who are likely to get on very well.
You are probably correct Matt but many duos of very different people generate great synergy. Clough and Taylor is the obvious football example. Gilbert and Sullivan hated each other as did Bette Davis and Joan Crawford while Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy were hardly friends. The union of opposites can be very creative.
You are probably correct Matt but many duos of very different people generate great synergy. Clough and Taylor is the obvious football example. Gilbert and Sullivan hated each other as did Bette Davis and Joan Crawford while Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy were hardly friends. The union of opposites can be very creative.Rolls and Royce,
You are the only person who has mentioned that. The ONLY person. It says far more about you than anyone else.QuoteHenry/Terry excites me - experience or not, they were both part of football dynasties and at the very top of the game - feel it would really motivate and inspire the team.
It might give an initial uplift.
But as we have seen with Roy Keane and countless many others, it's only worth an intro.
If you act like a knob (Keane) or start to phone it in because you believe the job is beneath you (O'Leary) players soon get wise to that. It doesn't matter then what you achieved in your own playing career.
That's why there's a reasonable argument to go with a manager who had an undistinguished playing career. They have innovated as managers because they've had to. And once you start thinking that way, you're always looking to stay ahead of the curve. As opposed to a Strachan/ O'Neill/ Pardew deadhead.
In fairness to Terry, he did seem genuinely popular around the place and was cited by many players as a good example re training and preparation. If he is involved at all, I can't see him giving it any less than 100 per cent.
But the job being what it is is still too big for a pair of novices.
Oh come on. On what grounds do you base your claim that it will only be an initial uplift?
Also, is having a distinguished playing career another reason to lump against Henry, along with no experience? How about his skin colour? I haven't seen that mentioned yet.
If it happens I hope it works out and it may at least be exciting for a while. However, if I saw another club appoint Henry and Terry I'd be pissing myself. It'll all end in tears I fear
Is all this just pure speculation at present sorry ? We might not have even started interviewing yet!
It's been reported Henry wants full control over the transfer budget which seems to be the only unresolved issue before announcing his appointment. As to whether they can work together, with so much work to do, I'm guessing they're going to be so busy there'll be little time for disagreements (and I'm sure Terry makes a lovely cup of tea).
I think we already know the impact Terry can have on the team and the squad. It is clear that he (and snodgrass) were the forces that built the team spirit and togetherness we saw last season.
Bloody hell, you could sense that had disappeared within the first couple of games this season.
I am all for a Henry / Terry partnership...bring it on.
What about Rodgers and Terry?
Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.Funny how the news media interpreted that as him 'ruling himself out' isn't it?! It looked like a huge flutter of the eyelids to me.
Yes but don’t you know he was just an assistant? Honestly RCF he’s a novice and we may as well give it to the chap washing the cups at BMH.The football would be boring under Faria.
I could live with boring..
Porto (2002–2004)
2002–03 Primeira Liga
2002–03 Taça de Portugal
2002–03 UEFA Cup
2003 Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira
2003–04 Primeira Liga
2003–04 UEFA Champions League
Chelsea (2004–2007)
2004–05 FA Premier League
2004–05 League Cup
2005 FA Community Shield
2005–06 FA Premier League
2006–07 League Cup
2006–07 FA Cup
Internazionale (2008–2010)
2008 Supercoppa Italiana
2008–09 Serie A
2009–10 Serie A
2009–10 Coppa Italia
2009–10 UEFA Champions League
Real Madrid (2010–2013)
2010–11 Copa del Rey
2011–12 La Liga
2012 Supercopa de España
Chelsea (2013–2015)
2014–15 League Cup
2014–15 Premier League
Manchester United (2016– )
2016 FA Community Shield
2016–17 EFL Cup
2016–17 UEFA Europa League
The Treble (League, Cup and European trophies)
2002–03 with Porto: League, Cup and UEFA Cup
2009–10 with Inter Milan: League, Cup and UEFA Champions League
Alan Nixon is inferring on Twitter that owners fancy Henry but maybe Purslow would prefer Rodgers.I hope Purslow gets his way.
Yeah, heart says Henry, head says Rodgers.Alan Nixon is inferring on Twitter that owners fancy Henry but maybe Purslow would prefer Rodgers.I hope Purslow gets his way.
Yeah, heart says Henry, head says Rodgers.Alan Nixon is inferring on Twitter that owners fancy Henry but maybe Purslow would prefer Rodgers.I hope Purslow gets his way.
Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.And also categorically ruled himself out. Obviously never say never but it seems emphatic to me.
I hadn't seen that one, he dodged the question on the one I saw (sky I guess). Oh well, never say never if he's offered it I think he may be tempted.Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.And also categorically ruled himself out. Obviously never say never but it seems emphatic to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45782436
Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.And also categorically ruled himself out. Obviously never say never but it seems emphatic to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45782436
Rodgers said exactly what he should say. Showed complete respect for his club, made sure his words couldnt be picked to pieces, showed respect and admiration for Villa and ensured that whatever the outcome, he didnt need to commit to anything at this time by rendering the conversation null and void by virtue of the fact he hasnt been approached (officially) A media masterclass which will mean nothing if, as has been reported, he gets an official approach today.Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.And also categorically ruled himself out. Obviously never say never but it seems emphatic to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45782436
Rodgers spoke very encouragingly about the job this morning. Described the Villa as one of top clubs in the country and a job that anyone would want to do he said.And also categorically ruled himself out. Obviously never say never but it seems emphatic to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45782436
You would rule yourself out then? "yes" seems pretty emphatic to me too!
Mick Channon DOF with Alan Ball manager, Channon and Ball.
Mick Channon DOF with Alan Ball manager, Channon and Ball.
Neil Lennon as DOF with Benny McCarthy as coach
Bryant and May,
Usually good for 48 matches and always have strikers in the box
Robert Huth, Mark Pugh, Lee Barney, Charlie Malgrew, Scott Cuthbert, Andy Dibble and Dale Grubb.
Robert Huth, Mark Pugh, Lee Barney, Charlie Malgrew, Scott Cuthbert, Andy Dibble and Dale Grubb.
Robert Huth, Mark Pugh, Lee Barney, Charlie Malgrew, Scott Cuthbert, Andy Dibble and Dale Grubb.
Is the winner. I salute you, sir (or madam)
Absolutely.Robert Huth, Mark Pugh, Lee Barney, Charlie Malgrew, Scott Cuthbert, Andy Dibble and Dale Grubb.
Winner. I think we should end it there
Matt Holland, Adam Crozier and Chris HollandBrilliant👍
Some bloke called David Woodhall on Talksport in a few mins...
If Fred West bought me beer all night I'd consider him a great bloke too!
If Fred West bought me beer all night I'd consider him a great bloke too!
If Fred West bought me beer all night I'd consider him a great bloke too!
When the house was demolished they found three further bodies ....an Austrian , Spaniard and a Finnish girlIf Fred West bought me beer all night I'd consider him a great bloke too!
Well he was an alcoholic. He kept his Tennants under the floorboards.
When the house was demolished they found three further bodies ....an Austrian , Spaniard and a Finnish girlIf Fred West bought me beer all night I'd consider him a great bloke too!
Well he was an alcoholic. He kept his Tennants under the floorboards.
............he was doing foreigners at weekends
Yes but don’t you know he was just an assistant? Honestly RCF he’s a novice and we may as well give it to the chap washing the cups at BMH.
They have to fill air time. Nobody truly knows what is going on beyond those making the decision. So TS and Sky are going to get creative to get people to tune in. 90% will be completely nonsense.
They have to fill air time. Nobody truly knows what is going on beyond those making the decision. So TS and Sky are going to get creative to get people to tune in. 90% will be completely nonsense.
Tune in, and more importantly, use Skybet.
No Martinez if Henry doesn't get it
What does Dave Whelan think?
What does Dave Whelan think?
He broke his leg in the Cup Final you know.
What does Dave Whelan think?
He broke his leg in the Cup Final you know.
Yes I think I may have heard him mention it...
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
There has been a double U-turn today by Talksport then, because after a couple of days of saying Henry/Terry to Villa was pretty much a done deal they suggested earlier that it wasn't likely to happen.
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
Danny Murphy earlier on talk sport suggested Steve Clarke
“I had the pleasure of meeting Steve Clarke. We interviewed him for the Fulham job and he was very good, very focused and single minded,” Murphy said of the 55-year-old Scot.
“After speaking to people at Liverpool and Chelsea (where Clarke worked as a coach), there wasn’t a bad word said. His coaching ability was second to none the only (negative) thing people said was his demeanour, he’s a bit dour.
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
Danny Murphy earlier on talk sport suggested Steve Clarke
“I had the pleasure of meeting Steve Clarke. We interviewed him for the Fulham job and he was very good, very focused and single minded,” Murphy said of the 55-year-old Scot.
“After speaking to people at Liverpool and Chelsea (where Clarke worked as a coach), there wasn’t a bad word said. His coaching ability was second to none the only (negative) thing people said was his demeanour, he’s a bit dour.
Bloody hell, if Danny Murphy's calling you dour it really is time to cheer the feck up.
What’s murphy’s role in selecting managers?
What’s murphy’s role in selecting managers?
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
I'd be surprised if we don't have a manager confirmed before the end of the week.
It's fairly urgent.
I'd be surprised if we don't have a manager confirmed before the end of the week.
It's fairly urgent.
Certainly is. Sky will have run out of names to spuriously throw in the hat by the end of the week. There's only so many managers in the world.
Talksport "we are hearing it is Henry/Terry.........yet to be confirmed....."
It's very unlikely to be confirmed until after the Belgium game a week tomorrow.
When I wonder what the hold up could be I then realise it's not just a manager that needs to be put in place. We also need
Assistant mgr
At least one if not 2 coaches
Goalkeeper coach
Probably a fitness coach
When whoever is announced it is not just a manager but an entire new backroom team. If it is as suggested TH then it's not as if he has a tried and tested team already with him. He would have to recruit from the ground up.
All takes time although I suspect it has been worked on for a good few weeks beforehand
I assume TH isnt working with Belgium anymore.
When I wonder what the hold up could be I then realise it's not just a manager that needs to be put in place. We also need
Assistant mgr
At least one if not 2 coaches
Goalkeeper coach
Probably a fitness coach
When whoever is announced it is not just a manager but an entire new backroom team. If it is as suggested TH then it's not as if he has a tried and tested team already with him. He would have to recruit from the ground up.
All takes time although I suspect it has been worked on for a good few weeks beforehand
I'd be surprised if we don't have a manager confirmed before the end of the week.
It's fairly urgent.
Certainly is. Sky will have run out of names to spuriously throw in the hat by the end of the week. There's only so many managers in the world.
Collymore is quiet...maybe him and Dwight have made a pact to atone for what went wrong at the Villa twenty years ago and come back as a WET dream management duo.
Mutphy is an anti-Villa twat. Speaks the same diatribe as the rest of his media planks.
Maybe out of respect for the Belgian FA we’ve agreed with them to let TH be with the squad and complete preparations and the game. I think Terry announcing his retirement isn’t a coincidence. My guess is by early Thursday this will all be done and dusted.
I think they actually play Friday eveningMaybe out of respect for the Belgian FA we’ve agreed with them to let TH be with the squad and complete preparations and the game. I think Terry announcing his retirement isn’t a coincidence. My guess is by early Thursday this will all be done and dusted.
Thursday!! Can't wait that long
Collymore is quiet...maybe him and Dwight have made a pact to atone for what went wrong at the Villa twenty years ago and come back as a dream management duo.What a nightmare that would be, could see us ending up in league 2 with thoses two in charge.
I'd be surprised if we don't have a manager confirmed before the end of the week.
It's fairly urgent.
Certainly is. Sky will have run out of names to spuriously throw in the hat by the end of the week. There's only so many managers in the world.
Collymore is quiet...maybe him and Dwight have made a pact to atone for what went wrong at the Villa twenty years ago and come back as a dream management duo.What a nightmare that would be, could see us ending up in league 2 with thoses two in charge.
If Henry is the boss and Terry the number two, it might be an idea to bring Petrov in if he has his badges? I also wonder what the likes of Craig Shakespeare is doing at the moment?
We had a player in our youth team who outshone Mr Rooney in the FA youth cup final scoring four ... Don’t you just love the way Villa nurture their young talent ?When was the last time I was proud to be a Villa supporter? Part of the pride? Another gimmick soundbite. We have no identity, the infrastructure is buggered, even AVTV is crap, our football is shocking, we supposedly have a great academy but where are the Gerrards, Rooney's or Cowans's? We have two new owners, third richest? Yet they must be as frustrated as the rest of us. I don't think we are in any position to scoff or thumb our noses at anyone like a Rodgers or a Smith anymore. The, er 'work' that Bruce put in over the last three months or so has seemingly decayed the club and we are worse now than we were under RDM, imo. The next Manager has so much work to do, the CEO needs to be claiming overtime to put this shit right. This is one of the reasons I don't want a novice, unless they bring in a squad of football people and broom the rest of the old shit out. Start again, and try to make us proud.
Lot of good things in this post, but Gerrard and Rooney are once in a generation players.
Sky saying it could be Martinez. God no! File under yesterday’s under achievers.
Sky saying it could be Martinez. God no! File under yesterday’s under achievers.
Sky saying it could be Martinez. God no! File under yesterday’s under achievers.
We are a second division club, he has taken a side to the world cup semi finals. We'd be punching massively above our weight right now.
Steve Bruce was an excellent defender. That defence he was instrumental in putting out at Millwall played like five Larry Graysons, no homophobia intended.
We had a player in our youth team who outshone Mr Rooney in the FA youth cup final scoring four ... Don’t you just love the way Villa nurture their young talent ?When was the last time I was proud to be a Villa supporter? Part of the pride? Another gimmick soundbite. We have no identity, the infrastructure is buggered, even AVTV is crap, our football is shocking, we supposedly have a great academy but where are the Gerrards, Rooney's or Cowans's? We have two new owners, third richest? Yet they must be as frustrated as the rest of us. I don't think we are in any position to scoff or thumb our noses at anyone like a Rodgers or a Smith anymore. The, er 'work' that Bruce put in over the last three months or so has seemingly decayed the club and we are worse now than we were under RDM, imo. The next Manager has so much work to do, the CEO needs to be claiming overtime to put this shit right. This is one of the reasons I don't want a novice, unless they bring in a squad of football people and broom the rest of the old shit out. Start again, and try to make us proud.
Lot of good things in this post, but Gerrard and Rooney are once in a generation players.
I'm starting to think Henry isn't going to happen
Agreed, Rooney was miles better than any one else on the pitch. I remember calling my wife into the room to tell her to 'watch this kid.' She hates football and had no interest whatsoever but I just needed to tell someone. He was that good.We had a player in our youth team who outshone Mr Rooney in the FA youth cup final scoring four ... Don’t you just love the way Villa nurture their young talent ?When was the last time I was proud to be a Villa supporter? Part of the pride? Another gimmick soundbite. We have no identity, the infrastructure is buggered, even AVTV is crap, our football is shocking, we supposedly have a great academy but where are the Gerrards, Rooney's or Cowans's? We have two new owners, third richest? Yet they must be as frustrated as the rest of us. I don't think we are in any position to scoff or thumb our noses at anyone like a Rodgers or a Smith anymore. The, er 'work' that Bruce put in over the last three months or so has seemingly decayed the club and we are worse now than we were under RDM, imo. The next Manager has so much work to do, the CEO needs to be claiming overtime to put this shit right. This is one of the reasons I don't want a novice, unless they bring in a squad of football people and broom the rest of the old shit out. Start again, and try to make us proud.
Lot of good things in this post, but Gerrard and Rooney are once in a generation players.
The Moore brothers outshining Rooney in that youth cup final is one of the great Aston villa myths
I watched the second leg at villa park. Rooney was like a 25 year old playing against school kids
Why are people thinking Henry might happen?
It's all just idle chit chat until he or someone else is stretching a Villa shirt on the front page of the Mail.
Harry Rednapp understands Henry isn't taking the job
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Can’t see Henry coming as it’s a tough gig and would devalue his credentials if doesn’t work out . You can’t shore up a defence without bodies there . Harry R on takksport says he’s not coming but he spoke to JT last night who reckons he’s right in the runningOK it may be just bollocks talk but anyone who has any reservations about the Villa challenge can fuck off. I won't mind Terry coming on his own if we can't get Rodgers.
Sky Bet have suspended betting on Dean Smith. Wonder if someone has lumped a large sum on him? Usually the reason.
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Regardless of what Terry has said can't get shut his wrinkly fuckin mouth
It may be a case that they are negotiating with the relevant parties. I doubt they would have sacked Bruce without having an agreement of some sort in place with whoever they want.
Sky Bet have suspended betting on Dean Smith. Wonder if someone has lumped a large sum on him? Usually the reason.
Sky Bet have suspended betting on Dean Smith. Wonder if someone has lumped a large sum on him? Usually the reason.
Terry now 2/1
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Regardless of what Terry has said can't get shut his wrinkly fuckin mouth
Wheeling the dodgy old dealer out to get his uninformed opinion is typical of Talkshite. Thank feck Dim White's not on this week - as the hyberbole and levels of ITK bullshittery would be unimaginable.
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Regardless of what Terry has said can't get shut his wrinkly fuckin mouth
Wheeling the dodgy old dealer out to get his uninformed opinion is typical of Talkshite. Thank feck Dim White's not on this week - as the hyberbole and levels of ITK bullshittery would be unimaginable.
You mean dodgy old wheeler dealer!
If it’s Terry, I’d much rather it’s Mellberg.Problem is Olof decided to pull out from his Manager/Coach role after achieving great success in his first two seasons and now I understand has been "gardening" for about a year. Also I am sure the Club would have welcomed an application from him but as his name is not there it's fair to assume he has not applied.
Sky Bet have suspended betting on Dean Smith. Wonder if someone has lumped a large sum on him? Usually the reason.
just out of interest is Mark Saggers still with Talkshite? I haven't heard him since the World Cup
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Regardless of what Terry has said can't get shut his wrinkly fuckin mouth
Wheeling the dodgy old dealer out to get his uninformed opinion is typical of Talkshite. Thank feck Dim White's not on this week - as the hyberbole and levels of ITK bullshittery would be unimaginable.
You mean dodgy old wheeler dealer!
Indeed.
Sadly, my attempt at a spot o' dexterous wordplay seems to have failed dismally. Again. :-[
If the Henry gamble isn't going to happen, I think building a sustainable, progressive football club around Dean Smith would be a prudent (and potentially just as exciting) way forward. Being a Villa man, Smith would have all our backing, patience and support from day one, too. As for John Terry potentially being our new boss - a big no from me.
Isn't it just smashing that all of a sudden, Harry fucking Redknapp is the intermediary.
I think you'll find the word you're looking for is triffick. ;)
Regardless of what Terry has said can't get shut his wrinkly fuckin mouth
Wheeling the dodgy old dealer out to get his uninformed opinion is typical of Talkshite. Thank feck Dim White's not on this week - as the hyberbole and levels of ITK bullshittery would be unimaginable.
You mean dodgy old wheeler dealer!
Indeed.
Sadly, my attempt at a spot o' dexterous wordplay seems to have failed dismally. Again. :-[
No it hasn't. I re-read your post after some more caffeine and realised what you were trying to do.
I agree about Jim White. :)
Nixon is edging his bets I think.
There's no way he's got a handle on all the club's he purports too.
If it’s Terry, I’d much rather it’s Mellberg.
Nixon is edging his bets I think.
There's no way he's got a handle on all the club's he purports too.
I must admit, I thought ideas and approaches would have been made prior to the sacking of Bruce which was nailed on to happen sometime in the first few months of this season. I get the feeling of a bit of chaos at the moment.
I must admit, I thought ideas and approaches would have been made prior to the sacking of Bruce which was nailed on to happen sometime in the first few months of this season. I get the feeling of a bit of chaos at the moment.
I think it might be that the Bruce sacking was not pre-planned and was a reaction to the Preston game. If that was the case, then arranging a shortlist and carrying out the interviewing process isn't something that could be done overnight and would take a bit of time. On top of it all, whoever gets the job is going to have to put together an entire backroom staff, which is going to take a bit of time if it is not already in place.
That made me chuckleIf it’s Terry, I’d much rather it’s Mellberg.
I'd much rather it was June.
I also wonder if Terry is actually considering 'Arry as his number two. You would guess that he knows him fairly well through Frank Lampard.
I must admit, I thought ideas and approaches would have been made prior to the sacking of Bruce which was nailed on to happen sometime in the first few months of this season. I get the feeling of a bit of chaos at the moment.
I think it might be that the Bruce sacking was not pre-planned and was a reaction to the Preston game. If that was the case, then arranging a shortlist and carrying out the interviewing process isn't something that could be done overnight and would take a bit of time. On top of it all, whoever gets the job is going to have to put together an entire backroom staff, which is going to take a bit of time if it is not already in place.
They would have a shortlist regardless wouldn’t they? Especially with the Bruce situation being so precarious.
I also wonder if Terry is actually considering 'Arry as his number two. You would guess that he knows him fairly well through Frank Lampard.
I'll give you odds of about a million to one on that not being the case. Seriously, Redknapp as a number two at Villa Park?! A pint of whatever you've been drinking this morning Damo!
I also wonder if Terry is actually considering 'Arry as his number two. You would guess that he knows him fairly well through Frank Lampard.
I'll give you odds of about a million to one on that not being the case. Seriously, Redknapp as a number two at Villa Park?! A pint of whatever you've been drinking this morning Damo!
Redknapp was a number two/football adviser at Derby not long back. He appeared to enjoy it. I think his description of his time there was "triffic".
Money talks, and we have lots of it. Let's make Rodgers an offer he can't refuse.
Nixon tweets are interesting. In summary he seems to be saying the likes of Henry and particularly Rodgers won't do interviews. I presume because of ego for the first and burning his bridges for the second. He seems to think we have too many people involved in the decision making process and that we really need to piss or get off the pot.
I hope we don't fuck this up because of too much prevarication.
.Money talks, and we have lots of it. Let's make Rodgers an offer he can't refuse.
We're going to kill his horse??
I also wonder if Terry is actually considering 'Arry as his number two. You would guess that he knows him fairly well through Frank Lampard.
I'll give you odds of about a million to one on that not being the case. Seriously, Redknapp as a number two at Villa Park?! A pint of whatever you've been drinking this morning Damo!
I can't remember ever thinking I'd be happy with any of the candidates that are being linked with the job, although that probably says more about the depths we've reached than tbe quality of the contenders.
Apparently Sky have confirmed that there has been no contact between Villa and the Belgian FA. The whole Henry thing maybe pie in the sky like last time.
Nixon tweets are interesting. In summary he seems to be saying the likes of Henry and particularly Rodgers won't do interviews. I presume because of ego for the first and burning his bridges for the second. He seems to think we have too many people involved in the decision making process and that we really need to piss or get off the pot.
I hope we don't fuck this up because of too much prevarication.
We can't expect a manager like Rodgers or Smith to be interviewed for the job when they are already managing another club. If it is them we want we have to just offer them the job. It might be different with someone like Henry, who is an assistant in his current job.
Arry as number 2? Fuckin hell
I rather have people who want the job and I think Henry isn't clear . He's holding out for something like real Madrid or Monaco with his ego .Yeah, but you've no idea if Henry has even been offered the job, so it's a bit rich laying into him like that.
I don't know why he would come to lower league and not elite level football too much of a risk for his reputation then again he did play MLS
So Petrov is interested I rather have him and JT or something .
Dean Smith too.
Even Dwight Yorke
Henry being in Belgium and being all comme ci comme ça
is very blasé and I think he more interested in roads to Antwerp and not Aston. Someone who more concerned in Bruges than finishing above the blose.
Until he shows some respect about villa Henry can do one
Nobody with a chance of getting the job will say they want it. Because they'd appear to have failed if they didn'tmight actually get it.
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
Why would anyone think Terry would get more out of our defence than Steve Bruce did? Wasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
Why would anyone think Terry would get more out of our defence than Steve Bruce did? Wasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
Wasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
Why would anyone think Terry would get more out of our defence than Steve Bruce did? Wasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
Terry was better.
Good player, good manager? Does that always work?
If Henry doesn't want it pay Celtic 2.5m and get Rodgers with Terry as 1st team coach. They would be a good partnership I reckon and will have worked together before.
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
If Henry doesn't want it pay Celtic 2.5m and get Rodgers with Terry as 1st team coach. They would be a good partnership I reckon and will have worked together before.
That would be great
Given the state of our defence, I reckon Terry is vital in some capacity either as number 1 or 2. We need him back pronto. Smith could ensure quick attacking play. The two could be just the ticket.
Why would anyone think Terry would get more out of our defence than Steve Bruce did? Wasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
Terry was better.
So? Who was a better player, Sherwood or Graham Taylor? McLeish or BFR? It's almost like playing ability makes no difference and we should just try to appoint the best manager we can, rather than acting like bunch of starstruck idiots and appointing anyone who was a big name player.
A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
Watch me give a shit. Ferguson was such a dirty player his nickname was Razer Elbows. It's amazing the spite people hold sometimes.
I must admit, I thought ideas and approaches would have been made prior to the sacking of Bruce which was nailed on to happen sometime in the first few months of this season. I get the feeling of a bit of chaos at the moment.
I think it might be that the Bruce sacking was not pre-planned and was a reaction to the Preston game. If that was the case, then arranging a shortlist and carrying out the interviewing process isn't something that could be done overnight and would take a bit of time. On top of it all, whoever gets the job is going to have to put together an entire backroom staff, which is going to take a bit of time if it is not already in place.
A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
Watch me give a shit. Ferguson was such a dirty player his nickname was Razer Elbows. It's amazing the spite people hold sometimes.
Why? What qualities doe he have to suggest he would be a good manager?A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
Watch me give a shit. Ferguson was such a dirty player his nickname was Razer Elbows. It's amazing the spite people hold sometimes.
We should interview Maradonna then in that case
Why? What qualities doe he have to suggest he would be a good manager?A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
Watch me give a shit. Ferguson was such a dirty player his nickname was Razer Elbows. It's amazing the spite people hold sometimes.
We should interview Maradonna then in that case
As SVC pointed out, our 3 owners have zero clue about football recruitment. Zero.
Should we be worried?
You mean one being an alcoholic drug addict who shoots journalists with an air rifle and is the laughing stock of the football world and the other is a a studious knowledgeable former player who is currently a highly regarded assistant coach to one of the best teams in the world? Virtually identical qualities yeah...Why? What qualities doe he have to suggest he would be a good manager?A few of the Irish members of the London Lions I was speaking to on Saturday were less than enthused at the prospect of having Henry as our next manager. The fucking cheat.
Watch me give a shit. Ferguson was such a dirty player his nickname was Razer Elbows. It's amazing the spite people hold sometimes.
We should interview Maradonna then in that case
Erm, about the same as Henry does?
It’s worth remembering that if the court of H&V public opinion held any sway, we’d have had Solskjaer in charge of the club a few years ago. I’m sure none of those who were desperate for him then would admit that now though.
It’s worth remembering that if the court of H&V public opinion held any sway, we’d have had Solskjaer in charge of the club a few years ago. I’m sure none of those who were desperate for him then would admit that now though.Very true.
I must admit, I thought ideas and approaches would have been made prior to the sacking of Bruce which was nailed on to happen sometime in the first few months of this season. I get the feeling of a bit of chaos at the moment.
I think it might be that the Bruce sacking was not pre-planned and was a reaction to the Preston game. If that was the case, then arranging a shortlist and carrying out the interviewing process isn't something that could be done overnight and would take a bit of time. On top of it all, whoever gets the job is going to have to put together an entire backroom staff, which is going to take a bit of time if it is not already in place.
Fuck me, if they were still behind Spud until the Preston debacle after the shite we've turned out this season then I really do worry.
It’s worth remembering that if the court of H&V public opinion held any sway, we’d have had Solskjaer in charge of the club a few years ago. I’m sure none of those who were desperate for him then would admit that now though.
It’s worth remembering that if the court of H&V public opinion held any sway, we’d have had Solskjaer in charge of the club a few years ago. I’m sure none of those who were desperate for him then would admit that now though.
Thierry is off to manage Monaco. You heard it here first.
The current betting is
Terry - Evens
Faria 5/2
Henry 7/2 (I expect his odds to drift out as the Monaco link filters through
Rodgers 7/1
Smith 14/1
Anyone else after that is an long odds outsider.
As SVC pointed out, our 3 owners have zero clue about football recruitment. Zero.
Should we be worried?
Pinch of salt required but been sent the following from a contact who slightly ITK.
- Villa have ALWAYS been planning on using the FULL international break to go through this process. Most players away until next Thursday so not seen as pressing due to that. More focussed on getting the right decision.
- Process is two phase based on initial shortlist.
- 6 people on shortlist
- Stage 2 is filtering it down to a final 3
- The 6 are - Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Faria, Terry and another that he doesn’t know
- As it stands as today NO decision has been made on a favourite. They are basically tapping up the employed ones to see if they are keen before making an official approach.
-Henry has not informed us if he wants to move to stage 2 or not as yet and is undecided.
- Some of the candidates have been more receptive of being in a ‘process’ than others
- DONT expect a decision this week
I'll choose none of those options, please. Not sure why Terry has to be part of a team. Just get a proper manager and let him bring his own staff with him.
Thierry is off to manage Monaco. You heard it here first.
Monaco have sacked Leonardo Jardim today and Henry is being linked with the job. He started his career at Monaco.
Aston villa football club should be the draw not Henry.I rather have people who want the job and I think Henry isn't clear . He's holding out for something like real Madrid or Monaco with his ego .Yeah, but you've no idea if Henry has even been offered the job, so it's a bit rich laying into him like that.
I don't know why he would come to lower league and not elite level football too much of a risk for his reputation then again he did play MLS
So Petrov is interested I rather have him and JT or something .
Dean Smith too.
Even Dwight Yorke
Henry being in Belgium and being all comme ci comme ça
is very blasé and I think he more interested in roads to Antwerp and not Aston. Someone who more concerned in Bruges than finishing above the blose.
Until he shows some respect about villa Henry can do one
I'll choose none of those options, please. Not sure why Terry has to be part of a team. Just get a proper manager and let him bring his own staff with him.
I agree to be honest but considering what a shit fest our current defence is I was actually hopeful at him coming back to play so if he is not to do that at least he would have some understanding of us and be able to coach them
Well I'm quite happy that the press nor anyone else really knows what is going on. It's all guesswork .Long may our owners keep it like that until they are ready to make an announcement.
Pinch of salt required but been sent the following from a contact who slightly ITK.
- Villa have ALWAYS been planning on using the FULL international break to go through this process. Most players away until next Thursday so not seen as pressing due to that. More focussed on getting the right decision.
- Process is two phase based on initial shortlist.
- 6 people on shortlist
- Stage 2 is filtering it down to a final 3
- The 6 are - Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Faria, Terry and another that he doesn’t know
- As it stands as today NO decision has been made on a favourite. They are basically tapping up the employed ones to see if they are keen before making an official approach.
-Henry has not informed us if he wants to move to stage 2 or not as yet and is undecided.
- Some of the candidates have been more receptive of being in a ‘process’ than others
- DONT expect a decision this week
Putting aside my feelings for the former Chelsea number 26, why do people think he is in any way qualified to be the manager of Aston Villa. Is it purely because he played one season at the club? Otherwise, why not Sol Campbell or some other footballer who has decided they now want to be a manager?
Putting aside my feelings for the former Chelsea number 26, why do people think he is in any way qualified to be the manager of Aston Villa. Is it purely because he played one season at the club? Otherwise, why not Sol Campbell or some other footballer who has decided they now want to be a manager?
Pinch of salt required but been sent the following from a contact who slightly ITK.
- Villa have ALWAYS been planning on using the FULL international break to go through this process. Most players away until next Thursday so not seen as pressing due to that. More focussed on getting the right decision.
- Process is two phase based on initial shortlist.
- 6 people on shortlist
- Stage 2 is filtering it down to a final 3
- The 6 are - Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Faria, Terry and another that he doesn’t know
- As it stands as today NO decision has been made on a favourite. They are basically tapping up the employed ones to see if they are keen before making an official approach.
-Henry has not informed us if he wants to move to stage 2 or not as yet and is undecided.
- Some of the candidates have been more receptive of being in a ‘process’ than others
- DONT expect a decision this week
On holiday then, as you can't tell me that rabble that plays at Villa Park are internationals! :o
Well I'm quite happy that the press nor anyone else really knows what is going on. It's all guesswork .Long may our owners keep it like that until they are ready to make an announcement.
Thierry is off to manage Monaco. You heard it here first.
Monaco have sacked Leonardo Jardim today and Henry is being linked with the job. He started his career at Monaco.
I posted it first . Saying he's holding out for real Madrid or Monaco and that he doesn't show villa he's interested
Putting aside my feelings for the former Chelsea number 26, why do people think he is in any way qualified to be the manager of Aston Villa. Is it purely because he played one season at the club? Otherwise, why not Sol Campbell or some other footballer who has decided they now want to be a manager?
I actually agree with you Chris, he's not qualified.
I would have him as a coach or (in the right duo) as an assistant, but never as manager.
Rodgers / Terry - Cannot overlook Rodgers record but I also cannot overlook how out thought he was by Sherwood and with a team of Gerrard / Coutinio / Sterling and Balotelli available to him
The current betting is
Terry - Evens
Faria 5/2
Henry 7/2 (I expect his odds to drift out as the Monaco link filters through
Rodgers 7/1
Smith 14/1
Anyone else after that is an long odds outsider.
Bruce ain't been sacked a week. Let's not panic yet
The current betting is
Terry - Evens
Faria 5/2
Henry 7/2 (I expect his odds to drift out as the Monaco link filters through
Rodgers 7/1
Smith 14/1
Anyone else after that is an long odds outsider.
Who’s Terry Evens?
It’s Benni McCarthy isn’t it?
Bruce ain't been sacked a week. Let's not panic yet
My only concern about Martinez would be the defence - he still doesn’t seem to be able to organise one. Then again would Thierry Henry?My only concern about Martinez would be Martinez.
I monitor all the flights taking off as they turn right over my house. I have seen nothing suspicious.It’s worth remembering that if the court of H&V public opinion held any sway, we’d have had Solskjaer in charge of the club a few years ago. I’m sure none of those who were desperate for him then would admit that now though.
That reminds me - anyone checked out BHX recently?
Pinch of salt required but been sent the following from a contact who slightly ITK.
- Villa have ALWAYS been planning on using the FULL international break to go through this process. Most players away until next Thursday so not seen as pressing due to that. More focussed on getting the right decision.
- Process is two phase based on initial shortlist.
- 6 people on shortlist
- Stage 2 is filtering it down to a final 3
- The 6 are - Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Faria, Terry and another that he doesn’t know
- As it stands as today NO decision has been made on a favourite. They are basically tapping up the employed ones to see if they are keen before making an official approach.
-Henry has not informed us if he wants to move to stage 2 or not as yet and is undecided.
- Some of the candidates have been more receptive of being in a ‘process’ than others
- DONT expect a decision this week
On holiday then, as you can't tell me that rabble that plays at Villa Park are internationals! :o
Classic vague itk nonsense talk.
6 names yet only 5 names mention as they are 'known' and speculated by everyone .
It's going to be that Faria and JT combo I can smell it .
Henry isn't seemingly receptive as he's in Belguim coaching world class players .
The talk of Roberto Martinez was laughable.
Be interested to know who the supposed 6 name is.
And good to hear Rodgers at least acknowledge the villa.
Smith or Rodgers would be my preference as it stands
But I don't know if anyone really know much but thanks anyway for the slight itk only time will tell
I think we should forget Henry, he'll go to Monaco.
Faria and Terry is my prediction.
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
Have we actually approached him? Or is this another example of the media saying someone has turned us down despite not being offered the job?
Pinch of salt required but been sent the following from a contact who slightly ITK.
- Villa have ALWAYS been planning on using the FULL international break to go through this process. Most players away until next Thursday so not seen as pressing due to that. More focussed on getting the right decision.
- Process is two phase based on initial shortlist.
- 6 people on shortlist
- Stage 2 is filtering it down to a final 3
- The 6 are - Henry, Rodgers, Smith, Faria, Terry and another that he doesn’t know
- As it stands as today NO decision has been made on a favourite. They are basically tapping up the employed ones to see if they are keen before making an official approach.
-Henry has not informed us if he wants to move to stage 2 or not as yet and is undecided.
- Some of the candidates have been more receptive of being in a ‘process’ than others
- DONT expect a decision this week
On holiday then, as you can't tell me that rabble that plays at Villa Park are internationals! :o
Classic vague itk nonsense talk.
6 names yet only 5 names mention as they are 'known' and speculated by everyone .
It's going to be that Faria and JT combo I can smell it .
Henry isn't seemingly receptive as he's in Belguim coaching world class players .
The talk of Roberto Martinez was laughable.
Be interested to know who the supposed 6 name is.
And good to hear Rodgers at least acknowledge the villa.
Smith or Rodgers would be my preference as it stands
But I don't know if anyone really know much but thanks anyway for the slight itk only time will tell
Just passing it on. He’s not one for BS. The other name id guess (purely my own) would be Viera
Have we actually approached him? Or is this another example of the media saying someone has turned us down despite not being offered the job?
You can't turn it down if you've not been offered it. Good gig for Henry considering he's never been a manager
You can't turn it down if you've not been offered it. Good gig for Henry considering he's never been a manager
Exactly
I can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.Well it was probably for the best, i never liked his arrogant face anyway.
Does it really matter? Either way he's said 'I don't want to manage your club', which is fine.You can't turn it down if you've not been offered it. Good gig for Henry considering he's never been a manager
Exactly
I think he is a good manager and would do pretty well here. If we are not getting Henry, and to be fair, Villa or Monaco? Then for me you go for someone who is going to on paper have a similar outlook, we need an attacking manager. Rodgers or Smith for me.
What is the guy leaving Monaco like? Heard he is a Mendes friend too.
You're criticising the club for something they haven't done yet? And should they do do they would be going for a highly regarded manager experienced at Championship, Premier League and Champions league levels. I can understand not liking him and him not being your own choice, but if they do go for him is it really a 'will they ever learn' move?I can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
I can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
How low can we sink? Being turned down by someone who isn't even a manager yet. Amazing really when you think about it.
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
How low can we sink? Being turned down by someone who isn't even a manager yet. Amazing really when you think about it.
I can only think the next thing will be getting turned down by people who haven't actually been born yet.
I thought you said it was definitely Faria and Terry?Still am ( my source is currently out of the country but told me earlier that is what he understands the choice is - it could all be bollocks of course)....in respect of "will the club ever learn" that's a reference to the amounts we have chucked away in the past and May do once again .......which probably got us in the financial mire pre season ie throwing money around like confetti
Henry has turned us down. Breaking from the Mail and other sources on Twitter.
How low can we sink? Being turned down by someone who isn't even a manager yet. Amazing really when you think about it.
I can only think the next thing will be getting turned down by people who haven't actually been born yet.
100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
I would like Terry back here and involved as I think he is genuine leader, and his influence was still seen when he was out injured last season, but I think I would prefer he was a number 2 to someone more experienced.
100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
I'm not so sure John Terry would be a number 2 to anybody.
I would like Terry back here and involved as I think he is genuine leader, and his influence was still seen when he was out injured last season, but I think I would prefer he was a number 2 to someone more experienced.
That would make sense.
100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
I'm not so sure John Terry would be a number 2 to anybody.
I would like Terry back here and involved as I think he is genuine leader, and his influence was still seen when he was out injured last season, but I think I would prefer he was a number 2 to someone more experienced.
That would make sense.
All joking aside - he is a decent bloke....drinks in the local and also plays crown bowls locally !!!100m from Jurgen Klopp actually so it's not too badI can't help but think Brenda is a bit of a clueless tit.probably for the first time ever .....I agree with you on a statement :)
I'm not sold on Rodgers whatsoever ...he lived in Formby whilst managing Liverpool and recall the cringeworthy documentary he appeared in whilst living here. I think he scents the smell of £ rather than the lure of getting Villa back to the Premier League
Plus I don't think he's all that anyway ...if the papers are to believed we would be paying another £2.5 in compo on top of Bruce's`s payoff - When will this club ever learn ?
Well would you live in Liverpool?!? (Hoping you live on the Wirral 🤞)
You couldn’t have a word with him to jump ship could you?
So the Birmingham mail have it as Henry turning us down to go to Monaco. I'm sure when I was a kid in the 70,s the mail was a paper for all fans of midlands clubs and wasn't anti any of them, is it me or do they just constantly put a negative spin on any story connected to us.They do, they also begrudgingly do the odd story about us topping the average attendance figures in the Championship and also the sky viewing figures (if you look closely you can see the tears on the virtual paper where the journalist has been crying whilst writing it).
If Henry is going to Monaco, what is Jardim like?
For me it’s down to 3 possible scenarios all involving John TerryI could stomach Ranieri as head coach with Terry as assistant
1. It’s Faria as head coach with John Terry as assistant manager
2. It’s John Terry as head coach with Faria as assistant manager
3. It’s Brendan Rodgers as head coach with John Terry as assistant manager
For me it’s down to 3 possible scenarios all involving John Terry
1. It’s Faria as head coach with John Terry as assistant manager
2. It’s John Terry as head coach with Faria as assistant manager
3. It’s Brendan Rodgers as head coach with John Terry as assistant manager
McGrath was better. That's about it.
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Bit out of order
How come every option has to involve John effing Terry? He'd be lucky to get into the top 20 centre-backs I've seen play for us. Perhaps if we filtered it down to the top ten who played for us for one unsuccessful season in the second division...
McGrath was better. That's about it.
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Bit out of order
I don’t get why that’s farcical really. Maybe he hasn’t made a decision yet? And if he hasn’t been offered a job why does he need to tell us anything?
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Lauren or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
Dunne was named in the Premier League Team of the Year, and Collins was more or less his equal for most of the season.
Despite an extremely supportive media, Terry didn't make the second tier Team of the Year.
If we’re talking players who were with us for a fairly short period, and were great between injuries then Vlaar.
If we’re talking players who were with us for a fairly short period, and were great between injuries then Vlaar.
I certainly wouldn't class Vlaar as 'great'. I wouldn't even class him as 'very good' in a Villa shirt. He definately wouldn't get into my top five Villa centre halfs and might even struggle to get into my top ten.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
Terry is one of the best centre halves this country has ever produced. He was past his prime, but still oozed quality.
Laursen was not as good as he couldn't read the game like Terry. Far too prone to diving in and neither him nor King Olof had his distribution.
Dunne and Collins weren't as good even while he was in the nadir of his career.
Brilliant player.
If we’re talking players who were with us for a fairly short period, and were great between injuries then Vlaar.
I certainly wouldn't class Vlaar as 'great'. I wouldn't even class him as 'very good' in a Villa shirt. He definately wouldn't get into my top five Villa centre halfs and might even struggle to get into my top ten.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
Terry is one of the best centre halves this country has ever produced. He was past his prime, but still oozed quality.
Laursen was not as good as he couldn't read the game like Terry. Far too prone to diving in and neither him nor King Olof had his distribution.
Dunne and Collins weren't as good even while he was in the nadir of his career.
Brilliant player.
So Henry is battling it out with Ranieri for the Monaco gig? tomorrow it'll be someone else hotfooting it to Villa Park. It's getting boring now.
So Henry is battling it out with Ranieri for the Monaco gig? tomorrow it'll be someone else hotfooting it to Villa Park. It's getting boring now.
Isn't it just. Pay Celtic, get Brenda, make Terry coach, get the feck on with life.
So Henry is battling it out with Ranieri for the Monaco gig? tomorrow it'll be someone else hotfooting it to Villa Park. It's getting boring now.
Isn't it just. Pay Celtic, get Brenda, make Terry coach, get the feck on with life.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
I'd add Alpay, Barry, Keown, Johnsen...
I'd put Zat Knight ahead of Ron Vlaar. At least he could occasionally be arsed to play for us.??
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Except that Collins and Dunne were playing against very best world class forwards whereas best that Terry had to mark was likes of Vydra and Assombalonga.McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Lauren or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
I would agree with most of that but still think we missed his leadership skills as well as putting him above Collins and Dunne.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Weren't we all agreed that we want to see a front-foot approach to our play?
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Weren't we all agreed that we want to see a front-foot approach to our play?
Agreed. But he certainly was positive with Newcastle in the Championship. They battered the division. I think he’s become negative in the PL based on what he’s been able to bring in.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Weren't we all agreed that we want to see a front-foot approach to our play?
Agreed. But he certainly was positive with Newcastle in the Championship. They battered the division. I think he’s become negative in the PL based on what he’s been able to bring in.
I have no doubt that he'd get us up. I can't see his 'targeted get-points' games being to popular once we were there. That said, he's so good at what he does then perhaps he deserves for us to compromise our desired outcomes.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Weren't we all agreed that we want to see a front-foot approach to our play?
Agreed. But he certainly was positive with Newcastle in the Championship. They battered the division. I think he’s become negative in the PL based on what he’s been able to bring in.
I have no doubt that he'd get us up. I can't see his 'targeted get-points' games being to popular once we were there. That said, he's so good at what he does then perhaps he deserves for us to compromise our desired outcomes.
I think Benitez has been pragmatic with his style of play due to his lack of financial backing at Newcastle. I am surprised he has stuck with the job as long as he has. With FFP I am not sure we could afford the compensation to Newcastle, the financial package Benitez would want paid to him and the transfer budget he would desire.
McGrath was better. That's about it.
This is some bizarre revisionism, here. Terry had a good season, but he wasn't even the best centre-half at the club.
At his best, for Chelsea, he'd be up there with McGrath.
To suggest that he played better for us, at the tail end of his career, than Southgate, Ehiogu, Laursen or Mellberg did in their prime is nonsense.
He would be below Collins and Dunne too, based on one good season each. They were an excellent partnership before turning into twats as soon as MON left.
Terry is one of the best centre halves this country has ever produced. He was past his prime, but still oozed quality.
Laursen was not as good as he couldn't read the game like Terry. Far too prone to diving in and neither him nor King Olof had his distribution.
Dunne and Collins weren't as good even while he was in the nadir of his career.
Brilliant player.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
I’d like Benítez. He’s paid a fortune but he’d walk this division and get him out of that fucked up situation at Newcastle where they’ve not really back him.
Would get on well with our new CEO....
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/25/rafael-benitez-christain-purslow-liverpool-exit
An aside, but do people from Monaco support France? Or do they not care about internationals?
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aye; its like a slightly warmer, richer isle of man.Yeh both very similar. ;)
lawrie sanchez and jamie vardy
Howsabout DOF Ralph Minge (Dynamo Dresden) & Manager Kenny Jacket (Pompey)?
Et voila: Minge & Jacket.
you forgot Joe RoyalI'd be surprised if we don't have a manager confirmed before the end of the week.
It's fairly urgent.
Certainly is. Sky will have run out of names to spuriously throw in the hat by the end of the week. There's only so many managers in the world.
Won’t be long before they get to Curbishley, Hoddle and Owen Coyle.
My son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
No but neither did D Mortimer or G shaw .. and carlton palmer, mick mills, phil neale denis wise keith curle geoff thomas all didWasn't Steve Bruce quite a good defender?
He wasn't that good. He never managed to play for England at full international level.
My son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
How many intelligent ones do you know? and i dont mean when they talk about footballMy son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
Not sure what your point is, how many thick, successful managers do you know?
How many intelligent ones do you know? and i dont mean when they talk about football.... and my point is you don't have to be intelligent to be a football manager you just have to know about footballMy son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
Not sure what your point is, how many thick, successful managers do you know? and my point is you don't have to be intelligent to be a football manager you just have to know about football
How many intelligent ones do you know? and i dont mean when they talk about footballMy son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
Not sure what your point is, how many thick, successful managers do you know?
So just the two?How many intelligent ones do you know? and i dont mean when they talk about footballMy son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
Not sure what your point is, how many thick, successful managers do you know?
Plenty. Mourinho being one, Guardiola another.
So just the two?How many intelligent ones do you know? and i dont mean when they talk about footballMy son interviewed Martinez and was very impressed by his intelligence, a box that has not been ticked many times since Houllier.TBH i couldn't careless if he was as thick as a whale omelette as long as he can run a football team
Not sure what your point is, how many thick, successful managers do you know?
Plenty. Mourinho being one, Guardiola another.
It's going to be Big Fat Sam isn't it?
It's going to be Big Fat Sam isn't it?
Was on Talksport this morning saying he didn't know if he wanted the Villa job, but would talk to the owners if they asked him (i.e he is interested).
What a Dudley dick, as if he's ever going to manage anyone better.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
Let's get John Sitton in.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
His constant "come and get me" pleas are starting to remind me of the long running Spitting Image gag with Donald Sinden desperately chasing a knighthood.
so Dean Smith, then?
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
His constant "come and get me" pleas are starting to remind me of the long running Spitting Image gag with Donald Sinden desperately chasing a knighthood.
It's almost heart breaking to listen to him.
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
His constant "come and get me" pleas are starting to remind me of the long running Spitting Image gag with Donald Sinden desperately chasing a knighthood.
It's almost heart breaking to listen to him.
He said ‘what have Gerrard and Lampard got that I haven’t got?’ Well off the top of my head they probably wouldn’t have celebrated like it was their last day on earth for a goal scored for Blackburn in front of the home end where the fans of the club apparently so special in your heart congregate.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
His constant "come and get me" pleas are starting to remind me of the long running Spitting Image gag with Donald Sinden desperately chasing a knighthood.
It's almost heart breaking to listen to him.
He said ‘what have Gerrard and Lampard got that I haven’t got?’ Well off the top of my head they probably wouldn’t have celebrated like it was their last day on earth for a goal scored for Blackburn in front of the home end where the fans of the club apparently so special in your heart congregate.
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
Fair point. You could have prefaced ‘prepared’ with ‘a bit’ or ‘not really’ for a few years now.
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
Fair point. You could have prefaced ‘prepared’ with ‘a bit’ or ‘not really’ for a few years now.
I'd be more than happy with Faria and Terry.
I would sooner give Smith his chance than Faria. In fact with Henry out of it unless Rodgers is a genuine contender we should go for Smith and get it done.
so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
Fair point. You could have prefaced ‘prepared’ with ‘a bit’ or ‘not really’ for a few years now.
Or "Un"so Dean Smith, then?
Maybe. Probably. But, it goes further than the manager. It has to be from youth team to board level. Part of the culture and values of the club.
I’m joking, but, change the motto from ‘Be Prepared’ which is a bit there or thereabouts to ‘Attack Attack Attack.’ Teams should be coming to Villa Park, particularly in this division, not knowing what’s hit them from the moment they step off their team bus to the moment they are back where they came from. We need to go into every game not thinking a draw or win is fine, but counting how many shades of shit we’re going to kick out of the opposition (figuratively).
Press, pass, move, score and repeat.
When did 'Be' get inserted into our motto?!
Fair point. You could have prefaced ‘prepared’ with ‘a bit’ or ‘not really’ for a few years now.
I would sooner give Smith his chance than Faria. In fact with Henry out of it unless Rodgers is a genuine contender we should go for Smith and get it done.
I am getting to that position as well to be honest. The only real concern I would have about Dean Smith is that he hasn't managed a club the size of Villa before, but the likes of Faria and Terry haven't even managed the likes of Brentford let alone Villa. My preferred choice would still be Rodgers, but after that it would be Smith. They both tick most of the boxes we are looking for and unlike some of the other candidates, there is plenty of evidence of their approach and style in action.
An aside, but do people from Monaco support France? Or do they not care about internationals?Actually they do not care much about football. Monaco regularly play in a half empty small stadium generally attended by "slaves".
Didn't they say they want to appoint a high-profile name? Whatever qualities Dean Smith possesses, he's not that.
Didn't they say they want to appoint a high-profile name? Whatever qualities Dean Smith possesses, he's not that.
Fair enough.Didn't they say they want to appoint a high-profile name? Whatever qualities Dean Smith possesses, he's not that.
The press might have said that, I don't think the club have.
Why are some people so comfortable with Faria? Because his boss is a good manager?I wont be comfortable until we have undertaken a long unbeaten streak, with flowing football (which does not include winning 1-1 aka a Bruce win).
Being a coach to a good manager does mean you are going to be a great manager yourself.
Does he have the right temperament to be the main man when it’s his balls on the line for results?
I would be massively underwhelmed if Faria comes in.
Monday is was Moyes, Tuesday it was Henry, today it’s Faria and Terry, tomorrow it will be Rodgers or Smith. I will believe it when I see it.
On the “never managed a club of this size”, would you turn down Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche?
So now Faria 1/4 and Smith's odds have shortened to 2/1 with Terry lengthening considerably to 14/1....Which proves that they generally have no idea.
Rui Faria walks in and they think ‘he’s done some really great documentaries including one about that weirdo Savile.’
Don't underestimate how modern players react differently to managers.
Henry/Terry walk in, they're all buoyed and eager to impress their probable footballing idols regardless of eithers managerial experience
Rodgers walks in, they know he's done it at Liverpool and Celtic
Bruce, they knew him as a player and that he'd done the job asked before in the recent past
Smith walks in, they might think 'so he's done ok at Brentford'
Not saying it's right, and that's not a slight on Smith's abilities but footballers can be a funny lot. Throw in Terry as Smith's number two (if the latter would even accept that) and you might have a slightly different reaction
Rui Faria walks in and they think ‘he’s done some really great documentaries including one about that weirdo Savile.’
Monday is was Moyes, Tuesday it was Henry, today it’s Faria and Terry, tomorrow it will be Rodgers or Smith. I will believe it when I see it.
Thursday, Friday and Saturday will be Craig David, then on Sunday we'll just chill.
Faria walks in and most players say, who the fuck is that?
excuse my ignorance if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the early odds set by the bookies to create a market and then on, just a market that reacts to people betting in it? So the odds now say compared to when Bruce got sacked are just a reflection of money staked by punters at this point in time?So now Faria 1/4 and Smith's odds have shortened to 2/1 with Terry lengthening considerably to 14/1....Which proves that they generally have no idea.
Rui Faria walks in and they think ‘he’s done some really great documentaries including one about that weirdo Savile.’
Blimey, not more weird weekends
I'm underwhelmed by Mourinho's tea boy.
On the “never managed a club of this size”, would you turn down Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche?
But if you are following that logic, what about all the first time managers at decent sized clubs who have failed?
Why are some people so comfortable with Faria? Because his boss is a good manager?
Being a coach to a good manager does mean you are going to be a great manager yourself.
Does he have the right temperament to be the main man when it’s his balls on the line for results?
I would be massively underwhelmed if Faria comes in.
What about Jardim?
BREAKING NEWS on Sky Sports News. They understand Villa are considering Faria with Terry as his assistant. So basically they don’t know anything and are speculating.
That really was hilarious bordering on farcical. I think we should give him a go.
His constant "come and get me" pleas are starting to remind me of the long running Spitting Image gag with Donald Sinden desperately chasing a knighthood.
It's almost heart breaking to listen to him.
These are Farias reasons for leaving OT.
‘I felt the decision was about my family, they had been very patient with me for all these years and it was time for me to think more of them.
‘I don’t need to go to New York, Barcelona [on sabbatical]. I just wanted to do the basic stuff as a father, have breakfast with them every morning, dinner with them every night, listen to them.
‘I remember moments when I was working and they were speaking to me but my head was in another place, worries with my work, and I knew I was being unfair to them.
‘They are 10, 11, 13 only once and this goes so quickly and you lose everything. I wouldn’t have seen anything if I’d not stopped. I took the opportunity to show them Portugal, they had been in Madrid, Milan or London, but not Portugal. I couldn’t be more happy with my decision.’
So I’ll start the book on resignation by Christmas.
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There can be only one...
Faria would be quite underwhelming after all the talk of Henry the last week.
Faria would be quite underwhelming after all the talk of Henry the last week.
I'm disappointed we've limited our search to our owners favourite player and whoever Mendes has available. People like Marco Rose should have immediately been on our shortlist.
On the “never managed a club of this size”, would you turn down Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche?
Monday is was Moyes, Tuesday it was Henry, today it’s Faria and Terry, tomorrow it will be Rodgers or Smith. I will believe it when I see it.
Faria would be quite underwhelming after all the talk of Henry the last week.
I'm disappointed we've limited our search to our owners favourite player and whoever Mendes has available. People like Marco Rose should have immediately been on our shortlist.
How do you know he isn’t or wasn’t? How do any of us truly know who was being considered, who was actually approached, who immediately showed and interest and who knocked us back because we are a Championship club? Truth is none of us know and clearly the media who arguably have connections within the game have no real idea either.
Faria would be quite underwhelming after all the talk of Henry the last week.
I'm disappointed we've limited our search to our owners favourite player and whoever Mendes has available. People like Marco Rose should have immediately been on our shortlist.
How do you know he isn’t or wasn’t? How do any of us truly know who was being considered, who was actually approached, who immediately showed and interest and who knocked us back because we are a Championship club? Truth is none of us know and clearly the media who arguably have connections within the game have no real idea either.
I don't but have the feeling Mendes has his claws in the Villa appointments right now. First our DoS and now Faria.
According to Henry Winter, it's not gonna be Faria.
According to Henry Winter, it's not gonna be Faria.
Interesting. Step forward, Marco Rose!
According to Henry Winter, it's not gonna be Faria.
Interesting. Step forward, Marco Rose!
Just read that myself. I want someone who is committed to us and have to respect someone who is honest. So on we go. The media truly is all over the place on this. They literally don’t have a clue.
According to Henry Winter, it's not gonna be Faria.
Interesting. Step forward, Marco Rose!
Just read that myself. I want someone who is committed to us and have to respect someone who is honest. So on we go. The media truly is all over the place on this. They literally don’t have a clue.
I just pray our board do.
Lol... Got to laugh. So we have asked to speak to these people and they have said no thanks. Smith surely is the sensible choice now.
If it's Faria then we know he's coached at the very highest level but has no experience of signing players, we don't know what his tactical approach is or how much involvement he had in tactics at all.
Faria messaged the players before Millwall game? strange
Lol... Got to laugh. So we have asked to speak to these people and they have said no thanks. Smith surely is the sensible choice now.
Isn’t that normal though to expect in hiring anyone for a senior position? Just that football is a lot more public. I like the fact that those responsible for making the appointment are working through a list of candidates to gauge interest and will hire we hope the best candidate from the final pool of names. It’s entirely possible those who have said yes aren’t even on the media radar.
Who the feck is Marco Rose?
Faria days he's not interested in getting back into the game. Bullet dodged.
Who the feck is Marco Rose?
Our new manager in waiting.
Who the feck is Marco Rose?
Our new manager in waiting.
Who's his agent??
Hate to say it, but this all seems terribly amateurish. I appreciate that it's probably more a case of the journos playing manager bingo, however they must love kicking Villa's name around for general amusement.
If it ends up being Allardyce, I think I might be done.
Hate to say it, but this all seems terribly amateurish. I appreciate that it's probably more a case of the journos playing manager bingo, however they must love kicking Villa's name around for general amusement.
Faria days he's not interested in getting back into the game. Bullet dodged.
So now Faria 1/4 and Smith's odds have shortened to 2/1 with Terry lengthening considerably to 14/1....Which proves that they generally have no idea.
Rodgers or Smith now, surely? Unless neither want it. God knows who we’d end up with then. Probably Terry.
I do get the whole, Dean Smith has never managed the club the size of Aston Villa but we need a real reality check here. We are a big club, no denying that. But we also, and think we all realise, that we haven’t won fuck all for 22 years now. There is a really healthy percentage of our fan base that have never seen us lift a trophy and for the past 7 years we have generally been pretty awful, at times embarrassing. Dean Smith knows this area, he gets the expectation, he’s from a working class background with strong Aston Villa links. His teams play good football, and I think he would galvanise a fan base that is throughly fed up and pissed off.Yes, Yes, Yes
I'm guessing but I reckon we've sounded out several options 2 of whom we know either politely declined or it was mutually agreed not to take any further.
So we then make the decision based on whoever is left on the short list having I assume checked they are both a) interested and b)
can be prised away if in a job at present.
Pretty sure we are going down the Head Coach route which might exclude Rodgers.
I'd be delighted if it's Smith and Terry personally.
I'm guessing but I reckon we've sounded out several options 2 of whom we know either politely declined or it was mutually agreed not to take any further.
So we then make the decision based on whoever is left on the short list having I assume checked they are both a) interested and b)
can be prised away if in a job at present.
Pretty sure we are going down the Head Coach route which might exclude Rodgers.
I'd be delighted if it's Smith and Terry personally.
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Why does it need to be more. Those are two pretty good reasons notwithstanding we are no longer knocking on the door of 4th place in the Premier League. We’ve just lost to Milwall
I'm guessing but I reckon we've sounded out several options 2 of whom we know either politely declined or it was mutually agreed not to take any further.
So we then make the decision based on whoever is left on the short list having I assume checked they are both a) interested and b)
can be prised away if in a job at present.
Pretty sure we are going down the Head Coach route which might exclude Rodgers.
I'd be delighted if it's Smith and Terry personally.
Me too. My Dad told me a story about Ron Saunders today. Im only 38 so it was before my time, but he said we took a bit of a punt on someone unfashionable and look how it turned out. I know it’s a different era etc and not for one minute saying Smith is about to emulate those days. But a local guy, who understands what it means to be manager of this club, is the right choice as far as I’m concerned
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
But we're Aston Villa, and like it or not we're rarely genuine underdogs in any match in this league
Our players have to go into each match knowing they're expected to win or at least draw. Brentford can play with freedom like underdogs who aren't fancied, far less pressure doing that than being favourites every weekend. The latter requires a different mindset and much broader shoulders to carry the weight of expectations both from the manager and the players
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
But we're Aston Villa, and like it or not we're rarely genuine underdogs in any match in this league
Our players have to go into each match knowing they're expected to win or at least draw. Brentford can play with freedom like underdogs who aren't fancied, far less pressure doing that than being favourites every weekend. The latter requires a different mindset and much broader shoulders to carry the weight of expectations both from the manager and the players
yep, part of our problem, the overblown sense of expectancy and the 'kill this shit league' attitude. Whoever it is needs to be given time and patience to rebuild. But he won't of course.
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
One of the most impressive things about him is that he has improved Brentford each season he has been there despite them continually losing their best players.
They finished 5th the season before he was appointed.Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
One of the most impressive things about him is that he has improved Brentford each season he has been there despite them continually losing their best players.
And turned them into promotion challengers
Lol... Got to laugh. So we have asked to speak to these people and they have said no thanks. Smith surely is the sensible choice now.
Isn’t that normal though to expect in hiring anyone for a senior position?
Yes so his sort of management is a project - two to three years - exactly what we need. Except for the fact that we are in financial meltdown next season when we don't go up.
Lol... Got to laugh. So we have asked to speak to these people and they have said no thanks. Smith surely is the sensible choice now.
Isn’t that normal though to expect in hiring anyone for a senior position?
Aye, but appointing a football manager isn't like recruiting a duty manager at Burger King. You don't wade through a pile of CVs and work to a checklist of eligible criteria.
You know who you want, ascertain through their people whether they'd be interested in the gig in the first place - and then get the deal done.
In our situation, it might be that both Henry and Faria expressed initial interest. But assurances about FFP or something else weren't forthcoming.
It does seem a bit Lerner-esque, having this selection process in public. Whoever does get it then looks like third or fourth choice.
Has Eddie Howe been ignored as a possible because he is currently doing well in the Premier League and unlikely to want to drop down a level? We are still Aston Villa. They are still Bournemouth. If he has any ambition we are still a step up. Isn’t he more qualified than Smith?
I wouldn't mind him, but it would be a big step up for him as a job. I wonder whether weve got a bit of a diva squad again to some extent, it might be a bit much for him to sort that out if so. He seems used to happy go lucky good pros which I'm not sure our lot are. I suppose Terry by his side could help with that.
Has Eddie Howe been ignored as a possible because he is currently doing well in the Premier League and unlikely to want to drop down a level? We are still Aston Villa. They are still Bournemouth. If he has any ambition we are still a step up. Isn’t he more qualified than Smith?
More evidence of our inflated ego. Bournemouth are better than us. Miles ahead. More likely to win things. They are a more attractive option. This is what all of us, collectively, need to start and accept
Has Eddie Howe been ignored as a possible because he is currently doing well in the Premier League and unlikely to want to drop down a level? We are still Aston Villa. They are still Bournemouth. If he has any ambition we are still a step up. Isn’t he more qualified than Smith?
More evidence of our inflated ego. Bournemouth are better than us. Miles ahead. More likely to win things. They are a more attractive option. This is what all of us, collectively, need to start and accept
Yes so his sort of management is a project - two to three years - exactly what we need. Except for the fact that we are in financial meltdown next season when we don't go up.
Has Eddie Howe been ignored as a possible because he is currently doing well in the Premier League and unlikely to want to drop down a level? We are still Aston Villa. They are still Bournemouth. If he has any ambition we are still a step up. Isn’t he more qualified than Smith?
More evidence of our inflated ego. Bournemouth are better than us. Miles ahead. More likely to win things. They are a more attractive option. This is what all of us, collectively, need to start and accept
Bournemouth have never and never will be a bigger club than Villa, and as sure as night follows day we’ll go back above them sooner or later. I’ll never accept your attitude to Villa, and why should we?
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Has Eddie Howe been ignored as a possible because he is currently doing well in the Premier League and unlikely to want to drop down a level? We are still Aston Villa. They are still Bournemouth. If he has any ambition we are still a step up. Isn’t he more qualified than Smith?
More evidence of our inflated ego. Bournemouth are better than us. Miles ahead. More likely to win things. They are a more attractive option. This is what all of us, collectively, need to start and accept
Bournemouth have never and never will be a bigger club than Villa, and as sure as night follows day we’ll go back above them sooner or later. I’ll never accept your attitude to Villa, and why should we?
Can't really get excited about Dean Smith, but it seems a lot more sensible than a complete punt on someone who has never managed before.
I could live with it.
Can't really get excited about Dean Smith, but it seems a lot more sensible than a complete punt on someone who has never managed before.I got really excited about the possibility of Fonseca.Last night listening to Radio 5 football programme discussing the merits of Henry and Terry,I got very excited.After Henry's elopement to Monaco,my excitement was rekindled with Faria and Terry.Now I'm really excited again with the link with Smith.I need an international break.
I could live with it.
If we do want/get Smith we absolutely cannot force Terry upon him as his number 2.
The man himself has got to decide that surely? who's his current number 2 at Brentford? surely if we go for him we want his staff as well
Can someone plz tell me more about Dean smith, what has he done for so many of u wanting him as the new manager, it most be more than "his team is playing good football and he is a villa fan from birmingham"
Nothing to do with him being a Villa fan. If you have seen his team play, the attitude he them out with irrespective of the opponent, and what he's spent to achieve that, all of it would be foreign to a Villa fan having watched Bruce the last two years.
But we're Aston Villa, and like it or not we're rarely genuine underdogs in any match in this league
Our players have to go into each match knowing they're expected to win or at least draw. Brentford can play with freedom like underdogs who aren't fancied, far less pressure doing that than being favourites every weekend. The latter requires a different mindset and much broader shoulders to carry the weight of expectations both from the manager and the players
Exactly the reason why a bit of resetting expectations is in order. Aston Villa need a reboot. We have no divine right to go into ANY game these days expecting not to lose.
Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on
If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day
but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans
if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time
all played out to 40 odd thousand every week
Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester
If we do want/get Smith we absolutely cannot force Terry upon him as his number 2.
The man himself has got to decide that surely? who's his current number 2 at Brentford? surely if we go for him we want his staff as well
If we do want/get Smith we absolutely cannot force Terry upon him as his number 2.
The man himself has got to decide that surely? who's his current number 2 at Brentford? surely if we go for him we want his staff as well
The key man is Richard O'Kelly - they have worked together throughout.
Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on
If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day
but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans
if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time
all played out to 40 odd thousand every week
Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester
I lurk here a lot but felt compelled to comment on just the sheer elevation of our hubris as Villa fans.
Bournemouth, to quote a previous post, ARE a bigger club than Aston Villa, as things stand. They have history, but granted not close to our own. However the past is just that and they are on an upward trajectory, whereas we are far from that. As was said previously we have to start accepting that we are a Championship side based not only on the quality of the football we have played over the last 3-5 years, but also due to the series of frankly mind-blowing egotistical decisions made at board level.
Now, to reference the above, what planet are you on my friend :) Henry is clearly looking to cut his teeth somewhere. Why would he choose a Birmingham based club with fickle fans (come on...we are and we know it if we're honest) who aren;t really going anywhere any time soon, have only recently had a senior management team change, a bunch of players on larges wages (no budget), as his first job in management?
A move to Monaco would be miles better for him. Familiar faces, more forgiving league, some budget to do "something" with, and just start to learn the ropes.
I'm for Dean Smith 100%. Not because he is a manager who has won the Premier League as a player or a manager, but because he sets out a team tactically well, motivates, works with the players based on what we've all seen, and would no doubt usher in a little bit of calm to dampen the sheer hysteria that has wafted around Villa over the last few seasons like a bad smell.
We need to do what every good team does; go about our work quietly and methodically and under the radar. We are Aston Villa - Prepared is our motto, and we're currently 'prepared' for absolutely nothing. this would be a step forward in terms of actually having a plan rather than playing Russian roulette with our club.
Peace...
Villa is a big project job,Great comments,finished off with the brilliant line, 'like watching football in the Dorchester'
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on
If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day
but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans
if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time
all played out to 40 odd thousand every week
Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester
I think that's basically what I said
Villa is a massive project not every one will see it or be up for it and will take an easier option
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
someone to do with swansea I think..
I think that's basically what I said
Villa is a massive project not every one will see it or be up for it and will take an easier option
Yes but the implication was that Henry would be "nuts" to pass by an opportunity such as ours. He wouldn't, he'd be incredibly wise to stay clear of us currently.
Let's get some damn stability. Let's forget about promotion for a season or two and just concentrate on getting a core of players who will put in the effort and be hungry, rather than those who can't wait to get back to their own clubs (Tammy aside - he puts in a shift) in a season's time, or those just picking up their wages, and then let's see where we go.
I hate to use the words "long term project" when talking about Villa but that's what is required, as we tried the short term fix a couple of times now and whilst we came close, it was at a cost. Let's not do that again huh?
Villa is a big project job,
we need a manager that can see that, if all they see is a shit defence a non playing team and a bunch of moaning supporters they are the wrong person to take it on
If Henry has turned us down for Monaco it looks at first sight as a no brainer
if it's the lifestyle you want the it's Monaco all day
but there is no project, Monaco will be in the same position in 2/3 years time as they are now
not winning the league, a bit of champions league football, losing your best players to the top European clubs
All played out every week to about 8 or 9 thousand fans
if you back yourself to get Villa up the game changes
we were a top 6 side less than 10 years ago, we have very rich owners who look like they mean business
we would have the Resourses with the right manager to give the top half of the premier a go and higher given time
all played out to 40 odd thousand every week
Monaco is a comfort zone job, it's a retirement position, it's no challenge for a manager wanting to make his mark,
I've been there to watch them Monaco v St Etienne it's was like watching football in the Dorchester
On no planet are Bournemouth bigger than us, they are however undeniably, and depressingly, currently more successful. As for us being fickle, so is every other set of football fans on the planet but for some reason only we get lumbered with that tag. Were Albion called fickle for booing their team off at HT at the weekend?
we seem to be getting the bum's rush from out top targets, are we now scraping a managerial barrel from candidates we believe to be not really good enough for AV?
The problem as I see it is that Rodgers would be great for us, but if he fails to get us promoted in the next 18 months it will be deemed as a failure and he'll have blown his chances of managing in the PL forever.
we seem to be getting the bum's rush from out top targets, are we now scraping a managerial barrel from candidates we believe to be not really good enough for AV?The timing hasn't helped,as quite a few of us mentioned pre-season but we can take solace from the fact that we haven't approached the easily available 'proper football ' men such as Redknapp,Pardew and other scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.
we seem to be getting the bum's rush from out top targets, are we now scraping a managerial barrel from candidates we believe to be not really good enough for AV?
I think there are probably more candidates out there good enough for Villa than just Henry and Faria.
Resorting to the likes of Pardew and Moyes would be scraping the bottom of the barrel not working through a shortlist of 5 or 6 and seeing if they might be interested.
we seem to be getting the bum's rush from out top targets, are we now scraping a managerial barrel from candidates we believe to be not really good enough for AV?
Board Out thread incoming
Board Out thread incoming
They could, and should have sacked Bruce the moment they took over. They're now reaping the rewards of the "give him until the autumn" mindset. They also backed his bizarre transfer dealings, and so are culpable in the mess we find ourselves in. I think it would have been easier to attract a new man in the summer, and he also would have had at least part of his own squad to work with, instead of Bruce's Frankenstein's monster of a team.True. It’s definitely a bigger challenge right now. Not been impressed with the news owners ummphh!
Have they gone yet ?
Board Out thread incoming
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
Board Out thread incoming
How’s the Bruce shrine mate, not too tear-stained I hope. Glad you’re OK after the lovely Bruce got potted, we had to send somebody round to make sure the milk wasn’t piling up on your doorstep.
They could, and should have sacked Bruce the moment they took over. They're now reaping the rewards of the "give him until the autumn" mindset. They also backed his bizarre transfer dealings, and so are culpable in the mess we find ourselves in. I think it would have been easier to attract a new man in the summer, and he also would have had at least part of his own squad to work with, instead of Bruce's Frankenstein's monster of a team.
I'd be happy if our relatively speaking not exciting/underwhelming next manager got us playing football like his current team and bored us all the way to winning loads of games right into the PL. And then to be boring like Eddie Howe's team sitting in the top 6.Of course, that goes for all of us. But of those we've been considering, and who want the job, is Smith the best bet to do that, or is he even capable of it? Personally I don't think so. If he is the best bet then so be it but either a lot of people have turned us down or dropped out, or they haven't cast the net very wide.
On no planet are Bournemouth bigger than us, they are however undeniably, and depressingly, currently more successful. As for us being fickle, so is every other set of football fans on the planet but for some reason only we get lumbered with that tag. Were Albion called fickle for booing their team off at HT at the weekend?
It’s pronounced Lager. Apparently.
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
If I had to guess, I’d say he is teamed up with an actress I’ve never heard of on the dancing programme.
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
If I had to guess, I’d say he is teamed up with an actress I’ve never heard of on the dancing programme.
Good guess but he's in charge of Benfica B, their reserve team. Who, what, why is he being linked with us? Somebody is taking the piss.
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
If I had to guess, I’d say he is teamed up with an actress I’ve never heard of on the dancing programme.
Good guess but he's in charge of Benfica B, their reserve team. Who, what, why is he being linked with us? Somebody is taking the piss.
Is he one of the Mendes boys ?
how come Bruno Lage is 5th favourite in the running
who is he ?
If I had to guess, I’d say he is teamed up with an actress I’ve never heard of on the dancing programme.
Good guess but he's in charge of Benfica B, their reserve team. Who, what, why is he being linked with us? Somebody is taking the piss.
Is he one of the Mendes boys ?
It’s pronounced Lager. Apparently.I'm not bitter.
Hmmm, we need him in.
Shouting
Lager lager lager lager
Shouting
Lager lager lager lager
Shouting...
Lager lager lager
Shouting
Some of the arrogance in recent posts is absolutely breathtaking. Expecting it to be realistic fir a manager to leave a successful premier league side to join us in
Lower championship is pure crazy. It’s not 1982 anymore.
Some of the arrogance in recent posts is absolutely breathtaking. Expecting it to be realistic fir a manager to leave a successful premier league side to join us in
Lower championship is pure crazy. It’s not 1982 anymore.
All of this conversation is driven off media speculation which day after day has been completely wrong. Truth is nobody knows who has been approached, interviewed, offered anything at all. Moyes last week, Henry signed and sealed not longer after, Faria sending text messages to the Villa players on Saturday. It really is all a bit mad out there.
Smith's odds at best are 4/6 at worst with Bill Hills 1/8!!
Some of the arrogance in recent posts is absolutely breathtaking. Expecting it to be realistic fir a manager to leave a successful premier league side to join us inI know.
Lower championship is pure crazy. It’s not 1982 anymore.
Smith's odds at best are 4/6 at worst with Bill Hills 1/8!!
I'm pretty sure both Henry and Terry have both been heavily odds on too in recent days, possibly Faria too. What concerns me more is that all through the process David Moyes has been lurking in fourth or fifth place in the betting like a middle distance runner waiting to time his late run.
Then there's the fact that, if he wasn't a villa fan, we wouldn't have so many people keen on him.
What concerns me a little about Smith is there is an air of 'nobody else fancied it' about him, which makes me wonder what put the others off.I don't think Smith ,like Rodgers,could be too enthuastic as failing to get the job ,they would have to face fans who would be less enamoured with them.
Then there's the fact that, if he wasn't a villa fan, we wouldn't have so many people keen on him.
Finally, doing alright with Brentford is one thing. Turning this shit-filled juggernaut around, and quickly, is another thing entirely.
Turning this shit-filled juggernaut around, and quickly, is another thing entirely.
we do, but now? We are in a fix and need a quick fixer to go up this year, surely??
we do, but now? We are in a fix and need a quick fixer to go up this year, surely??
It won’t work I’m convinced. Bruce was a quick fix who had tired ideas too.
We need someone to bring fresh ideas that can turn us round quick in short-term, but also will be sustainable in the long-term.
Kendrick seems to think Smith is a goer
A ‘philosophy’ bloody hell.
Little Class? Wants Allardyce? Hmm...
we do, but now? We are in a fix and need a quick fixer to go up this year, surely??
It won’t work I’m convinced. Bruce was a quick fix who had tired ideas too.
Allardyce is twice the manager Bruce is.
we do, but now? We are in a fix and need a quick fixer to go up this year, surely??
It won’t work I’m convinced. Bruce was a quick fix who had tired ideas too.
Allardyce is twice the manager Bruce is.
Then there's the fact that, if he wasn't a villa fan, we wouldn't have so many people keen on him.
Quite. Some have said, 'You'd like him if his name was Dean Smithio'. Well that cuts both ways; would people have considered him if was an Albion fan?
we do, but now? We are in a fix and need a quick fixer to go up this year, surely??
It won’t work I’m convinced. Bruce was a quick fix who had tired ideas too.
Allardyce is twice the manager Bruce is.
Maybe but I’m terribly bored of “proper football men”, I want to enjoy watching Villa play. I also think we have a squad that is completely unsuitable for Allardyce.
Kendrick seems to think Smith is a goer
Being a Villa fan is relevant, that extra passion, commitment - like Ian Taylor who would never have made it any other PL side - and it buys some grace with the fans
Being a Villa fan is relevant, that extra passion, commitment - like Ian Taylor who would never have made it any other PL side - and it buys some grace with the fans
Now hang on, Taylor might not have been world class but as an integral member of teams that regularly finished in the top half (fourth and fifth under Little) it's nonsense to say he wouldnt have made it at any other PL side. He'd have walked into most of them. Well, he'd have sprinted into them, won the ball, laid it off and then popped up with the finish. Terrific player, whoever he'd supported.
If Smith comes in I think we also get a new player.
Mr.Hogan.
Some of the arrogance in recent posts is absolutely breathtaking. Expecting it to be realistic fir a manager to leave a successful premier league side to join us in
Lower championship is pure crazy. It’s not 1982 anymore.
Hmmm... Sandwell or Small Heath?
If Smith comes in I think we also get a new player.
Mr.Hogan.
The problem as I see it is that Rodgers would be great for us, but if he fails to get us promoted in the next 18 months it will be deemed as a failure and he'll have blown his chances of managing in the PL forever. A Smith/Terry combo wouldn't carry the same burden (i.e. career threatening) and if they achieved a near miss as Bruce did it would probably be viewed as success, given their relative inexperience and weight of expectation.
Being a Villa fan is relevant, that extra passion, commitment - like Ian Taylor who would never have made it any other PL side - and it buys some grace with the fans
Now hang on, Taylor might not have been world class but as an integral member of teams that regularly finished in the top half (fourth and fifth under Little) it's nonsense to say he wouldnt have made it at any other PL side. He'd have walked into most of them. Well, he'd have sprinted into them, won the ball, laid it off and then popped up with the finish. Terrific player, whoever he'd supported.
Yes, cos he played for Villa, played his fcuking heart out everytime. And he wasn't before and after for anyone else, but that still makes him a terrific player - for us.
Then there's the fact that, if he wasn't a villa fan, we wouldn't have so many people keen on him.
Quite. Some have said, 'You'd like him if his name was Dean Smithio'. Well that cuts both ways; would people have considered him if was an Albion fan?
Without a doubt. But then there would be a decent amount that would still think crikey, there is a guy who's team play the best football in the division most of the time and has every chance of he can recreate that style with our squad of winning a lot of games at villa. I wanted Rodgers the most as I think he has basically taken the Smith style one step further, but I am more than content to watch Smith. If his links to the club buy him time and support, so be it. And if, maybe, just that little chance he takes us up, it will be the best story in football going.
Some of the arrogance in recent posts is absolutely breathtaking. Expecting it to be realistic fir a manager to leave a successful premier league side to join us in
Lower championship is pure crazy. It’s not 1982 anymore.
Hmmm... Sandwell or Small Heath?
Piss off. I’m not posting on here for the first time.
Point is we need to realise that for people who are hard nosed professionals, not fans, we aren’t as attractive as we think we are. Notwithstanding all the goodwill Howe has, Bournemouth have the income of a premier league side and we don’t. The fact we won the European cup 35 years ago won’t really be a consideration for them.
And yes...in my heart Aston Villa are a totally different place to their reality and standing for football practical people.....business types etc will see us different.Our two new owners certainly saw something in the club worth being a part of.
Being a Villa fan is relevant, that extra passion, commitment - like Ian Taylor who would never have made it any other PL side - and it buys some grace with the fans
Now hang on, Taylor might not have been world class but as an integral member of teams that regularly finished in the top half (fourth and fifth under Little) it's nonsense to say he wouldnt have made it at any other PL side. He'd have walked into most of them. Well, he'd have sprinted into them, won the ball, laid it off and then popped up with the finish. Terrific player, whoever he'd supported.
Yes, cos he played for Villa, played his fcuking heart out everytime. And he wasn't before and after for anyone else, but that still makes him a terrific player - for us.
He played his heart out before us, he wouldn't have got near our level if he hadn't. After us he was too old and past his best.
Being a Villa fan is relevant, that extra passion, commitment - like Ian Taylor who would never have made it any other PL side - and it buys some grace with the fans
Now hang on, Taylor might not have been world class but as an integral member of teams that regularly finished in the top half (fourth and fifth under Little) it's nonsense to say he wouldnt have made it at any other PL side. He'd have walked into most of them. Well, he'd have sprinted into them, won the ball, laid it off and then popped up with the finish. Terrific player, whoever he'd supported.
Yes, cos he played for Villa, played his fcuking heart out everytime. And he wasn't before and after for anyone else, but that still makes him a terrific player - for us.
He played his heart out before us, he wouldn't have got near our level if he hadn't. After us he was too old and past his best.
It doesn't mean that if you're a professional you wouldn't give your all for whoever you played for. But everybody on here dreamed about playing for the Villa or maybe managing the Villa or whatever. Smith would have had that dream too. It doesn't mean that's all you need to do the job but you'd hope it would make a difference.
It would for me anyway.
I’ve decided to rule myself out of the Villa job despite not being approached or my agent being contacted. Thanks for your understanding
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"always with an attacking philosophy".
Burn the witch!!!!
This is long but well worth reading, not just to hear about Smith's role* at Brentford but also to scare yourself how far behind Villa appear to be with regards to getting a structure in place.
* this was not the article I was looking for but echos what I have read previously whereby Smith is a coach not a manager; to the point where the style of play and even specific game tactics are dictated by the directors above him. Not a problem as he is clearly a good coach but it is risky when our next manager will probably be responsible for the whole club's footballing identity.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718752-brentfords-moneyball-way-to-beat-football-teams-with-huge-budgets
We should've gone for Dean Smith first and foremost. All this pissing around with Henry, Faria etc., has proven a waste of valuable time. I sincerely hope it's Smith & Terry....
This is long but well worth reading, not just to hear about Smith's role* at Brentford but also to scare yourself how far behind Villa appear to be with regards to getting a structure in place.
* this was not the article I was looking for but echos what I have read previously whereby Smith is a coach not a manager; to the point where the style of play and even specific game tactics are dictated by the directors above him. Not a problem as he is clearly a good coach but it is risky when our next manager will probably be responsible for the whole club's footballing identity.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718752-brentfords-moneyball-way-to-beat-football-teams-with-huge-budgets
We should've gone for Dean Smith first and foremost. All this pissing around with Henry, Faria etc., has proven a waste of valuable time. I sincerely hope it's Smith & Terry....
Perhaps DS was always top of the list; & all the uninformed, bollox speculation has been just that?
I’ve decided to rule myself out of the Villa job despite not being approached or my agent being contacted. Thanks for your understanding
If Smith comes in I think we also get a new player.
Mr.Hogan.