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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3735 on: February 07, 2022, 10:54:22 AM »
So the UK and Ire are going for a joint bid for the 2028 Euros. Then VP needs to get sorted with any re-developments/expansion, if we going to get matches. More stadiums to choose from with Sco Wales and Ire in the mix, but you would think the 2nd largest city / urban area would be in there.

If it's the whole UK then there's a lot of stadiums to go around. You'd think Wembley, the Principality in Wales, the Aviva in Ireland and Hampden would be first choice being national stadiums, then take your pick from everything else over 50K, which will hopefully include us by then.

Wouldn't be surprised if Croke Park was made available for a tournament like that especially if there's no viable option in the North. I'm sure UEFA wouldn't be averse to using the third largest stadium in Europe and two stadiums in Ireland seems about right. In Scotland they may also use Parkhead (or Murrayfield if they don't want to annoy half of the Old Firm and want another city involved.).

Probably the right decision to change tack as the Centenary World Cup should be in South America and the Euro bid's more likely to succeed.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3736 on: February 07, 2022, 11:25:23 AM »
I thought the Irish got a bit angsty about using Croke Park for non GAA stuff?

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« Reply #3737 on: February 07, 2022, 11:35:37 AM »
Still a few too many die-hard liúdramáns in the GAA but it's already been used for rugby and soccer and most people are fans of both codes of football. For a prestigious one-off tournament I think they could be persuaded by the Irish Government (and public opinion) to allow it if it $uit$ and would mean 80,000+ fans coming into Dublin on 3 or 4 occasions.

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« Reply #3738 on: February 07, 2022, 11:52:53 AM »
They get away with rugby I think because it's All-Ireland? Can't see them wanting separate Ireland and Northern Ireland teams playing there. You know more about this stuff than me though.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3739 on: February 07, 2022, 12:02:01 PM »
Still a few too many die-hard liúdramáns in the GAA but it's already been used for rugby and soccer and most people are fans of both codes of football. For a prestigious one-off tournament I think they could be persuaded by the Irish Government (and public opinion) to allow it if it $uit$ and would mean 80,000+ fans coming into Dublin on 3 or 4 occasions.

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« Reply #3740 on: February 07, 2022, 12:03:38 PM »
Still a few too many die-hard liúdramáns in the GAA but it's already been used for rugby and soccer and most people are fans of both codes of football. For a prestigious one-off tournament I think they could be persuaded by the Irish Government (and public opinion) to allow it if it $uit$ and would mean 80,000+ fans coming into Dublin on 3 or 4 occasions.

Never thought I'd see the word liúdramáns on H&V...ar fheabhas ar fad !!

But yeah, once the GAA allowed the foreign game to be played at Croke Park for €€€ a precedent was set.

As for the Villa, our geographic location alone should put us in with a decent shout. The biggest club/ground in the midlands; nowhere is better positioned with the infrastructure to match in relation to Glasgow/Cardiff/Dublin/London.

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« Reply #3741 on: February 07, 2022, 12:04:24 PM »
Still a few too many die-hard liúdramáns in the GAA but it's already been used for rugby and soccer and most people are fans of both codes of football. For a prestigious one-off tournament I think they could be persuaded by the Irish Government (and public opinion) to allow it if it $uit$ and would mean 80,000+ fans coming into Dublin on 3 or 4 occasions.

'Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others' - Groucho Marx

Believe it or not, that's exactly what Martin O'Neill said to Gabby Agbonlahor on air last week (see Agbonlahor thread)!

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3742 on: February 07, 2022, 12:32:27 PM »
VP could probably host games as it is unless there's a new rule that stadia have to be over 50k now to host major championship games.

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« Reply #3743 on: February 07, 2022, 12:58:36 PM »
Whether there's a rule in place or not I think VP needs to be 50k+ to host as the competition's so stiff.

Obviously all 4 nations will be represented (I don't think NI has a stadium of any note?) and I can see them having groups of stadia to make security and travel potentially easier.

So you end up with:

Wembley
Hampden
Millenium
Aviva

Plus the North West stadia:

OT
Anfield
Etihad

And the big London venues:

Spurs
Emirates
West Ham

That gives you 10 and Euro 2020 only had 11 venues.  When you throw in the potential for Croke Park, Celtic and Ibrox and I can see VP being overlooked if the capacity isn't north of 50k.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3744 on: February 07, 2022, 01:01:07 PM »
Molineux for the final of course.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3745 on: February 07, 2022, 01:02:28 PM »
You'll have the new Everton stadium by then as well. Would think that either Newcastle or Sunderland would get games too.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3746 on: February 07, 2022, 01:06:40 PM »
At the moment UEFA have a minimum capaity criteria of 30,000 but I assume they want the majority to have way more than that. For Euro 24 in Germany, the smallest is the Red Bull Arena with 43,000 capacity, with everything else c. 49K and above.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3747 on: February 07, 2022, 01:11:32 PM »
Whether there's a rule in place or not I think VP needs to be 50k+ to host as the competition's so stiff.

Obviously all 4 nations will be represented (I don't think NI has a stadium of any note?) and I can see them having groups of stadia to make security and travel potentially easier.

So you end up with:

Wembley
Hampden
Millenium
Aviva

Plus the North West stadia:

OT
Anfield
Etihad

And the big London venues:

Spurs
Emirates
West Ham

That gives you 10 and Euro 2020 only had 11 venues.  When you throw in the potential for Croke Park, Celtic and Ibrox and I can see VP being overlooked if the capacity isn't north of 50k.
Yeah, I agree there.  With it being held between England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland - I don't think a stadium with <50k capacity could (or should) be used.  There'd be no need, you've got plenty of grounds that are above 50k:

  • Wembley (90k)
  • Croke Park (82k)
  • Old Trafford (74k)
  • Millennium Stadium (74k)
  • Murrayfield (67k)
  • London Stadium (62.5k)
  • Spurs (62.5k)
  • Celtic Park (60k)
  • Emirates (60k)
  • Emptihad (55k)
  • Kings Dock / Everton (55k)
  • Anfield (53k)
  • St James Park (52.5k)
  • Hampden Park (52k)
  • Aviva Stadium (51.5k)
  • Ibrox (51k)
  • Stadium of Light (49k)
  • Villa Park (42.5k)

Sorry, but no way are you picking Villa Park on that list - it's too small in comparison to the other stadiums, even if you take out the two non-football grounds in the list.  (For completeness, Twickenham would go down as join 2nd in that list - 82k)
« Last Edit: February 07, 2022, 01:13:17 PM by algy »

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3748 on: February 07, 2022, 01:13:05 PM »
Whether there's a rule in place or not I think VP needs to be 50k+ to host as the competition's so stiff.

Obviously all 4 nations will be represented (I don't think NI has a stadium of any note?) and I can see them having groups of stadia to make security and travel potentially easier.

So you end up with:

Wembley
Hampden
Millenium
Aviva

Plus the North West stadia:

OT
Anfield
Etihad

And the big London venues:

Spurs
Emirates
West Ham

That gives you 10 and Euro 2020 only had 11 venues.  When you throw in the potential for Croke Park, Celtic and Ibrox and I can see VP being overlooked if the capacity isn't north of 50k.
Yeah, I agree there.  With it being held between England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland - I don't think a stadium with <50k capacity could (or should) be used.  There'd be no need, you've got plenty of grounds that are above 50k:

  • Wembley (90k)
  • Croke Park (82k)
  • Old Trafford (74k)
  • Millennium Stadium (74k)
  • Murrayfield (67k)
  • London Stadium (62.5k)
  • Spurs (62.5k)
  • Celtic Park (60k)
  • Emirates (60k)
  • Emptihad (55k)
  • Kings Dock / Everton (55k)
  • Anfield (53k)
  • St James Park (52.5k)
  • Hampden Park (52k)
  • Aviva Stadium (51.5k)
  • Ibrox (51k)
  • Stadium of Light (49k)
  • Villa Park (42.5k)

Sorry, but no way are you picking Villa Park on that list - it's too small in comparison to the other stadiums, even if you take out the two non-football grounds in the list.

And interestingly given that list, even if you raise VP to 50k it doesn't change the conclusion.  It needs to be a conscious political or operational decision for VP to end up as a host venue.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #3749 on: February 07, 2022, 01:13:21 PM »
Would Arsenal or Spurs be looking to host games too? There are a lot of big stadia now and if 50k is a factor, we're obviously playing catchup.

 


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