Disrespecting the cups

[Pete3206]

I agree kippax

[Damo70]

I know the infamous MON Moscow game is regularly mentioned on here but I never expected to see a debate on Ron Saunders attitude to a league Cup tie in 1980/81 to be dredged up. What next? Debating Tony Barton's seemingly bizarre decision to make a goalkeeping substitution early on in the European Cup final?

[wittonwarrior]

And to think we woujldhavre have  had more than a  fist  of  a chance of  making the 5th round, as I think we could have beaten Fleetwood  or Gary the goat at Villa Park.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I don’t really care about blessings in disguise, preventing injuries, concentrating on the league.  There’s always an excuse. 

What I am heartily feckin sick of is continual humiliations to lower league shite that bring masses of day trippers and not only beat us but piss all over us without so much of a hint of fight from us. Whilst other clubs who have a continuous winning mentality rarely seem to have an issue competing in more than one competition.

That's it - it's the acceptance of the result and the general lowering of expectations that makes me sad. It's been a gradual thing but we've reached the stage now where what would have been classed as a humiliation is almost shrugged off as an irrelevance. I thought Saturday's result was fucking rubbish and all the excuses/reasons for it not mattering make me even more cynical about the direction we're moving in. Peterborough, for Christ's sake.     

[Three Spires Villa]

I don’t really care about blessings in disguise, preventing injuries, concentrating on the league.  There’s always an excuse. 

What I am heartily feckin sick of is continual humiliations to lower league shite that bring masses of day trippers and not only beat us but piss all over us without so much of a hint of fight from us. Whilst other clubs who have a continuous winning mentality rarely seem to have an issue competing in more than one competition.

That's it - it's the acceptance of the result and the general lowering of expectations that makes me sad. It's been a gradual thing but we've reached the stage now where what would have been classed as a humiliation is almost shrugged off as an irrelevance. I thought Saturday's result was fucking rubbish and all the excuses/reasons for it not mattering make me even more cynical about the direction we're moving in. Peterborough, for Christ's sake.     

Top posts, completely agree.

[Jimbo]

I don’t really care about blessings in disguise, preventing injuries, concentrating on the league.  There’s always an excuse. 

What I am heartily feckin sick of is continual humiliations to lower league shite that bring masses of day trippers and not only beat us but piss all over us without so much of a hint of fight from us. Whilst other clubs who have a continuous winning mentality rarely seem to have an issue competing in more than one competition.

That's it - it's the acceptance of the result and the general lowering of expectations that makes me sad. It's been a gradual thing but we've reached the stage now where what would have been classed as a humiliation is almost shrugged off as an irrelevance. I thought Saturday's result was fucking rubbish and all the excuses/reasons for it not mattering make me even more cynical about the direction we're moving in. Peterborough, for Christ's sake.     

Top posts, completely agree.

Ditto. The more shit you accept the more shit you get.

[postal]

I felt that the cup was partly devalued when they moved the final K.O from 3pm, and the semis to Wembly rather than at grounds round the country.

I can understand why they did both of these, but I cant help feeling the romance of the cup was tarnised with it.

[AsTallAsLions]

I felt that the cup was partly devalued when they moved the final K.O from 3pm, and the semis to Wembly rather than at grounds round the country.

I can understand why they did both of these, but I cant help feeling the romance of the cup was tarnised with it.

They need to migrate one of the Champions League qualifying spots from the PL and grant it to the FA Cup winner instead. It's an easy argument as it would mean the spot actually goes to a champion, and it helps restores some prestige. It shouldn't be necessary, given that this is the FA Cup we're talking about, but here we are.

[paul richard]

I'm 56 yrs old. I've been a Villa fan for nearly 50 yrs and one of my life-time ambitions has been to see the Villa win the FA Cup. I promised my late Dad that I'd be there to see it and give the team a shout on his behalf, just as he did in 1957. Naively I thought that moment might have arrived on 30 May 2015.....

We're Aston Villa. We have a cup tradition that's the envy of most other clubs in the country. We are disrespecting the competition and our own history in accepting the sort of meek capitulation we witnessed on Saturday. It was Lambert-esque in its shit-ness, to be filed alongside Bradford, Orient, Millwall and Sheffield United. Totally unacceptable.

I don't care what other clubs do or think.  It should be a minimum requirement at this club that we take all cups seriously at all times

[erniemagoo]

You must remember Villa 5 Liverpool 1 then!

[villa `cross the mersey]

I'm 56 yrs old. I've been a Villa fan for nearly 50 yrs and one of my life-time ambitions has been to see the Villa win the FA Cup. I promised my late Dad that I'd be there to see it and give the team a shout on his behalf, just as he did in 1957. Naively I thought that moment might have arrived on 30 May 2015.....

We're Aston Villa. We have a cup tradition that's the envy of most other clubs in the country. We are disrespecting the competition and our own history in accepting the sort of meek capitulation we witnessed on Saturday. It was Lambert-esque in its shit-ness, to be filed alongside Bradford, Orient, Millwall and Sheffield United. Totally unacceptable.

I don't care what other clubs do or think.  It should be a minimum requirement at this club that we take all cups seriously at all times

This

What makes it all the more annoying when our own fans state things like "its not like we are going to win it anyway" Surely the luck of the draw can throw up fixtures that enable any club to progress further - i.e. the next round Posh are drawn at home and have a good opportunity to progress

[Toronto Villa]

I'm 56 yrs old. I've been a Villa fan for nearly 50 yrs and one of my life-time ambitions has been to see the Villa win the FA Cup. I promised my late Dad that I'd be there to see it and give the team a shout on his behalf, just as he did in 1957. Naively I thought that moment might have arrived on 30 May 2015.....

We're Aston Villa. We have a cup tradition that's the envy of most other clubs in the country. We are disrespecting the competition and our own history in accepting the sort of meek capitulation we witnessed on Saturday. It was Lambert-esque in its shit-ness, to be filed alongside Bradford, Orient, Millwall and Sheffield United. Totally unacceptable.

I don't care what other clubs do or think.  It should be a minimum requirement at this club that we take all cups seriously at all times

This

What makes it all the more annoying when our own fans state things like "its not like we are going to win it anyway" Surely the luck of the draw can throw up fixtures that enable any club to progress further - i.e. the next round Posh are drawn at home and have a good opportunity to progress

That's precisely what fucked me off at the weekend. Would taking the Cup seriously have affected our attempts at promotion that much? Let's go nuts for a bit and say we won the thing it would have been an extra 5 games beyond Rd3 (without replays). Would an extra 5 games of trying to win a football match been that disruptive? How about the positive momentum and feel good factor? We need a bit of that.

I don't think for one second we'd have won it so realistically it would have been an extra 2 or 3 games at most. We have 20 leagues game left, so really would 23 have crippled our PL ambitions?

[exiled on the wirral!]

I'm 56 yrs old. I've been a Villa fan for nearly 50 yrs and one of my life-time ambitions has been to see the Villa win the FA Cup. I promised my late Dad that I'd be there to see it and give the team a shout on his behalf, just as he did in 1957. Naively I thought that moment might have arrived on 30 May 2015.....

We're Aston Villa. We have a cup tradition that's the envy of most other clubs in the country. We are disrespecting the competition and our own history in accepting the sort of meek capitulation we witnessed on Saturday. It was Lambert-esque in its shit-ness, to be filed alongside Bradford, Orient, Millwall and Sheffield United. Totally unacceptable.

I don't care what other clubs do or think.  It should be a minimum requirement at this club that we take all cups seriously at all times

This

What makes it all the more annoying when our own fans state things like "its not like we are going to win it anyway" Surely the luck of the draw can throw up fixtures that enable any club to progress further - i.e. the next round Posh are drawn at home and have a good opportunity to progress

That's precisely what fucked me off at the weekend. Would taking the Cup seriously have affected our attempts at promotion that much? Let's go nuts for a bit and say we won the thing it would have been an extra 5 games beyond Rd3 (without replays). Would an extra 5 games of trying to win a football match been that disruptive? How about the positive momentum and feel good factor? We need a bit of that.

I don't think for one second we'd have won it so realistically it would have been an extra 2 or 3 games at most. We have 20 leagues game left, so really would 23 have crippled our PL ambitions?

Toronto Villa..this is a really good post. I was in the category of not caring too much about Saturday's meek exit but I take your point about 3 4 or 5 games is unlikely to take that much out of our extremely well paid athletes. From my point of view promotion is the sole objective of this season. We have failed on our last 60 attempts to lift the FA Cup so I can live without it 1 more year if it guaranteed promotion. Having said that Bruce could have thrown in a few more regulars without it having an adverse effect on us going up.

[TopDeck113]

But the thing is, were we to somehow secure promotion and twelve months hence find ourselves in 17th place, what do you think the team selection/priorities will be then?

[Simon Page]

JUST WIN A FCKN TROPHY, ESPECIALLY THE FA FCKN CUP. YOU USELESS SHOWER OF MONEY-GRABBING, STATUS-CRAVING, HALF-ARSED, CRAVEN BAG OF CU

I've never used all caps before. It's quite satisfying. Makes you type harder though.