Brentford v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[rob_bridge]

I honestly don’t see what Snodgrass brings to the team. He’s offers nothing and constantly slows the game down by cutting back onto his left foot but, rather than driving inside, he simply rolls it back to the RB or inside to the midfield. He never takes his man out of play by beating him or playing an incisive ball and is just another one who is too slow and pedestrian. Without green or kodjia we are frightningly laborious and slow.

Agree - although is that position his best?

[Walmley_Villa]

Surely Whelan  jedinak and the truly awful Snodgrass have to be taken out of this side.

But you just know barring injury they will be the first names on the team sheet come Saturday.

This is Brucies biggest failing  (as inept tactical ability is now just accepted by all) in favouring the same players even when any form has disappeared

Poor performances are rewarded with a starting berth next game. Loyalty like this will deservedly cost him his job.

[Lobsterboy]

That was absolute gash

£80 million spent and we are currently in 8th place in the second division - simply not good enough.

Crap football when you are eking out wins is just about acceptable; crap football and crap results is not

We have a decent squad of players but a manager who has no idea how to set them up to play - I have had enough of his hoof ball but Wyness and Dr Tony seem to think that they've hired some 'promotion specialist' who knows how to get us out of this division so accept this mediocrity and aren't for budging.

We may still get in the play offs by beating your Burtons, Boltons and Barnsley by the odd goal between now and May but have zero chance of going up without a significant improvement on what I have seen in the last 18 months

[VinnieChase84]

What’s so apparent is the gaps we have on the field between lines. In the distance from our front to midfield you could turn a bus and the same in behind the centre mid.
We are so easy to play against it’s plain to see for everyone.

[auntiesledd]

What’s so apparent is the gaps we have on the field between lines. In the distance from our front to midfield you could turn a bus and the same in behind the centre mid.
We are so easy to play against it’s plain to see for everyone.

Apart from the one person who can actually do something about it...

[TonyD]

I’ve seen corpses with piles running faster than Whelan.

[adrenachrome]

GetWestLondon

It's not how much you spend, it's how you spend it

Since Aston Villa were relegated to the Championship they have spent more on transfer fees than Brentford have in their entire history.

Yet, the Bees have picked up eight points out of a possible 12 against the Villans and, on the balance of those two games at Villa Park which ended in draws, could easily have had all of them.

Scott Hogan is a prime example of this. Brentford's play is based around possession and attacking at speed and the striker thrived on it.

Villa's play, based on the two games against the west Londoners this season, is much more ponderous and, with the way the Bees press, it limited Hogan's impact on the game, although he did set up the equaliser.

Their approach has been similar to Birmingham's in the summer – Supermarket Sweep. It's signing players on reputation and not, necessarily, on what is best for the team.

Brentford benefit from having a philosophy in place irrelevant of the personnel in place which means that, rather than asking 'why did we well(sic)  him', the club ask 'why does it matter that he's gone?'

Hogan departs and Lasse Vibe steps up and delivers. Jota leaves and Ollie Watkins thrives in his stead. Harlee Dean moves on and Chris Mepham steps up brilliantly.

Too often clubs try and shove a square peg into a round hole but the Bees would only sign a player if they can fit into their setup. This is where they create the advantage over teams like Aston Villa.

[kippaxvilla2]

The most salient points of that piece being well all of it.

[Toronto Villa]

The need to spend loads of money to get out of the Championship is a complete myth. It’s why I haven’t given up on us being able to put this right with a plan that involves buying talented players before they become household names and bringing through academy players. We swung for the fences (a baseball term) in trying to get out as quickly as possible. With the FPP really kicking in next season we will still be able to spend more than almost of our opponents with the exception of most of the recently relegated sides. But as we have proved that means nothing if they don’t spend it well.

We have to be better at everything if we not only want to get out but stay up once we do.

[sirlordbaltimore]

Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.

Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?

Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.

He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.

He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure

Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.

Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO

[sickbeggar]

Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.

Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?

Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.

He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.

He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure

Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.

Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO

That's largely my opinion of him, but he actually played decent and tried last night. he was just on a totally different wavelength. Either his teammates weren't quick enough to work out what he was trying to do or they were too locked into the brucie gameplan. Still equates to the same i guess. He might as well have been trying to pass the ball to a load of rugby union players

[tomd2103]

Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.

Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?

Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.

He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.

He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure

Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.

Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO

He's had a disrupted season because of injury, but I too have my doubts about him.  He does have his moments in games and does have some sublime touches, he doesn't really affect games on a regular basis in terms of chances and goals. 

[class-of-82]

where I sit in upper holte theres obviously no sth in front or behind me so every home game you continually hear same things from the diff people that sit in those seats.
"Snodgrass run into space" " Whelan play it forward not back" " Whelan terrible pass"
its every fooking game not just one and yet these players seem to get a starting place.
every team that comes to vp has a game plan that susses us out.
hourihane cant get forward cause he continually got to come back to help the immobile Whelan. yet Whelan keeps his place and ch don't the list of total fuck ups goes on and on a train load of Stephen Hawkins could not work out bruces plans and tactics.
like the Cleveland browns fan said "ah well see you all on Saturday" 
 

[sirlordbaltimore]

he doesn't really affect games on a regular basis in terms of chances and goals.

And that's the problem for me, too many people are still pinning their hopes on him being some world beater they were told he could be.

He's not a kid anymore and he's got to do more to back it up.

[eddiemunster]

Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.

Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?

Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.

He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.

He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure

Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.

Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO

I've been saying the same about both players, trying hard and actually doing anything are two totally different things.
In my opinion, Grealish is the new Gabby living off what he did in a semi final ffs and don't get me started on the Scottish Cafu??? More like the Scottish crapoo!!!