Quote from: paul_e on December 20, 2017, 10:30:37 AMQuote from: Ads on December 20, 2017, 10:18:58 AMWe have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured. The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back. Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top. I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.I agree. Kodjia coming back would probably be more important right now. But I think the fact we are in the position we are has an awful lot to do with what Terry brought to the party.
Quote from: Ads on December 20, 2017, 10:18:58 AMWe have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured. The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back. Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top. I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.
Agreed - Terry has been a model pro
I agree - the wanker.
Quote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 10:02:31 AMQuote from: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AMI am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AMI am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
Quote from: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 10:27:17 AMQuote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 10:02:31 AMQuote from: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AMI am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Quote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 02:41:14 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 10:27:17 AMQuote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 10:02:31 AMQuote from: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AMI am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
Quote from: Drummond on December 20, 2017, 04:01:38 PMQuote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 02:41:14 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 10:27:17 AMQuote from: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 10:02:31 AMQuote from: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AMI am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
When has anyone on here ever been bothered about injured players attending away games before John Terry turned up?